No.482
ITT: We decide who the best carry is.
I nominate pic related.
>Great ganker
>Great pusher
>Great team fight presence
>Great DPS
>Great slow
>First blood potential
>Highest DPS increasing ultimate in the game, with good teammates
>Low cooldown, low mana cost abilities
>Built-in bash
>Great base movement speed with a few levels
>Two-in-one nuke/disable
>Ability to help teammates globally
>Ranged and fucking melee
>Easy Roshan solo at lv. 16
>Excelent Agility gain
>Doesn't have to worry about items that boost attack speed
>Has many great teammate possibilities
>Doesn't have a UAM
>Counters many right-clickers
>Scales well and has presence in all stages of the game
>Can farm with ease
Is there anything this asshole can't do?
No.492
>>482>5 full seconds of massive AOE CC giving you at least 1 garunteed kill every 2 minutes at lvl 6. > if a team doesnt stop him early game he becomes unkillableI hate this guy so much. It's so boring seeing him in nearly every game.
No.496
>>492>"he becomes unkillable"LEL?
Against any
competent team faceless void is completely useless for a vast majority of the game
Forcestaff? Blink?
Unless you are caught completely out of position, FV has to timewalk then chrono, and that gives plenty of time for a blink or force staff out
Granted he can ult in front of you, but then you can turn for .2 seconds and force staff in a different direction! WOW!
or you can just pick tiny, play completely shity and still win because of an anti-carry passive
No.500
No need for explanations
No.507
>>482Troll is very fun against LC.
No.508
>>492I'm glad he got nerfed. Like
>>496 said, Tiny is the perfect counter.
No.723
>>482My friend hates troll warlord, but the nigga is wrong. He is great for baiting duels against LC and popping ult as she blinks in.
No.728
>>482Win the game as a position 1 carry
No.729
No.730
>>723Pugna is pretty good for that too. He can either really help or really hurt LC in duels.
No.732
>>492You could say he is fucking invinsible
No.736
>>732He nearly is. My heart crumbles whenever he manages to evade Ethereal Blade, which seems to happen every time I use one against him.
No.740
>>736what the fuck, backtrack can evade ethereal blade too?
No.741
>>740The damage, yes, which accounts for almost half of Morphling's total damage output from a late-game shotgun.
Backtrack is a fucking broken ability; any instance of damage has a chance of doing absolutely nothing. So far, the only way to completely negate it is Doom, and now you have to rush Scepter for that.
No.742
>>741Hex disables passives as well. Almost forgot about that.
No.743
>>742>Hex shuts off all abilities on heroes except the following:
>Upgrade-granted ones, like Marksmanship, Spell Shield, Dragon Blood >Triggered abilities like Counter Helix icon.png Counter Helix, Backtrack icon.png Backtrack, Craggy Exterior icon.png Craggy Exterior, Corrosive Skin icon.png Corrosive Skin, Reactive Armor icon.png Reactive Armor and certain other passives such as Bristleback ability icon.png Bristleback >Unsilenceable abilities like Reincarnation >Toggled abilities like Mana Shield, Rot, Pulse Nova, Agility Gain cannot be manually toggled for the duration of hexhttp://dota2.gamepedia.com/Hex No.744
>>743Welp. Fuck me, Valve.
No.1319
>>482#1. You can solo Rosh as soon as you have HotD and 4 levels of Fervor tbh. I've done it like lvl 9, several times. It's jut not optimal until you have a damage item.
#2. I am really done with the SnY as the first "big" core item. I get Phase, Basi/Aquila, and HotD (sometimes OOV) as basically my early core items. I have started to go Lothar's and just start merkin mofo's since I've seemed to have gotten pretty good at map awareness. Then I get a Skadi. I feel it's a way stronger item progression.
Shadow Blade gives you basically the same damage and attack speed, doesn't give the 16 STR +2 Armor or 16% movement speed. But Lothar's is 1300 gold cheaper. It gives you a much stronger initiation/scouting option.
No.1322
>>1319You can solo with 1 level in his passive and level 1 ult, just get HoTD and an alpha wolf. I buy treads on troll though so I end up with some more attack speed
No.1323
Doom is best carry no doubt
>Great diversity early game due to devour
>You can either get troll priest for heals and mana regen and not ever need to buy tangos or clarity which helps build items early game
>You can get chain lightning from harpy for good early harass with excellent range and cost
>You can get raise dead and ensnare, can help with jungling or ganking
>once you get into late game your choices upgrade to either unholy aura and a good finishing spell from satyr
>You can get kobold for movement speed buff
>You can get the aplha wolf for crit chance and aura for damage
Oh fuck Im not even done, my hands hurt already and Ive just been discussing his Q
>His W is a great chase or escape, has health regen aura so can be a lifesaver as well as a pusher, only downside is cooldown
>His E is a great nuke/stun if you use it well, can one shot low health heroes if used correctly
>His R is godlike and completely shuts down a hero of your choice, if you get scept and refresh orb its absolutely GG
Not to mention some of the best sets in the game
No.1324
Doom is best carry no doubt
>Great diversity early game due to devour
>You can either get troll priest for heals and mana regen and not ever need to buy tangos or clarity which helps build items early game
>You can get chain lightning from harpy for good early harass with excellent range and cost
>You can get raise dead and ensnare, can help with jungling or ganking
>once you get into late game your choices upgrade to either unholy aura and a good finishing spell from satyr
>You can get kobold for movement speed buff
>You can get the aplha wolf for crit chance and aura for damage
Oh fuck Im not even done, my hands hurt already and Ive just been discussing his Q
>His W is a great chase or escape, has health regen aura so can be a lifesaver as well as a pusher, only downside is cooldown
>His E is a great nuke/stun if you use it well, can one shot low health heroes if used correctly
>His R is godlike and completely shuts down a hero of your choice, if you get scept and refresh orb its absolutely GG
Not to mention some of the best sets in the game
No.1328
>sexy as fuck
>bulbous, throbbing, and manly balls
>can insert his tether into any hero
>10/10 facial aesthetics
>doesn't conform to preconceived gender notions, or "living" notions
10/10
No.1453
Medusa
>10 mins
>farm
>20 mins
>farm
>25 mins
>teamfight, lose
>30 mins
>farm
>50 mins
>i can fight now
>roshan
>team is dead
>medusa is kil
>no
No.1522
I nominate Meepo
> I am one
>I am two
>I am five
>9v5 is ez win
No.1716
>>482>Great slowyou fucking what?!
>First blood potentialI hope you dont mean lvl 1 first blood
No.1717
>>1716also his agi gain is nothing special, slightly above average
No.1719
>>171630% slow that deals 75 damage is easy level 1 first blood if you have a team
though his real first blood potential comes from the fact that he has arguably the best lane presence of any carry in his high ms + a slow + a nuke that makes enemies miss + 500 attack range for when he doesn't feel like having a 1.55 bat and 53-71 (62) base damage
that combined with some of the best lategame presence (aforementioned low BAT with 2.2 strength, 2.75 agi gain and fervor and ult, not to mention extreme midgame presence thanks to being basically ungankable with melee axes and haste speed with sny+phase, without even mentioning how stupidly effective sny is in general on the hero)
No.1722
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>>728Not a single mention of Ember Spirit, with literally any carry item working and being one the best god damned rapier carriers in the game.
Fucking scrubs.
No.1724
>>1722i still believe that quelling blade with battlefury is sleeper OP on that hero
No.1725
>>1724I believe TP boots are OP on that hero. I often TP into and out of lanes with remnants on the other side of the map (usually fountain) as an instant escape. Dem TP boots double as regen and survival. I can solo push super fucking deep without worries because unless someone stuns me faster than I can respond I'm already gone.
No.1726
>>1722>>1724>>1725Ember is like Spectre or Medusa, if he can farm his items up he's amazing. In terms of SoF.
But what makes him really good is the combo of mobility, bolos, and flame guard for early game/mid game ganking and escape/catch. He's a hero I honestly suck at tho.
No.1731
I nominate Silencer. He has sick auto and his ult alone ensures that an incompetent team can win teamfights because the Silence will keep the enemy from fucking them over. Plus Silencer carries well with disables like Orchid, Heaven's Halberd, and Guinsoo.
So Silencer tops out as a carry not simply by virtue of amazing farm scaling (although that auto is sick) but because a well-built Silencer will fill damn near all the roles his team needs at the same time.
No.1732
>>1731I used to play carry silencer. It isn't possible any more because you don't get as much gold from hero kills, which is his only real source of farm.
I would usually just go arcane boots>mek>scythe, which would happen by like thirty minutes or so.
Oh and for anyone else reading this, aghs is stupid shit on silencer. There was sort of an excuse when it made GS last a second longer but seriously, you could have just drafted death prophet.
>>1726Just get phase boots and don't up SoF until level 9. Early magic damage kills are super fucking easy.
No.1733
>>1732There's a couple ways to make farm. One is just a fast Midas. Another is to crank out fast TP boots. The cost-saving from not buying scrolls and the ability to farm unattended lanes while still TPing in time for fights also contributes very nicely to farm, not to mention Silencer can use the movespeed given his lack of escape or chasing abilities.
I prefer TP boots into Orchid myself.
No.1734
>>1732Main thing is I just don't play him. I might do a few games later.
I've been playing Troll WAOWlord a ton. When I see the enemy team pick a melee mid, I just go troll and get up in their grill. There's literally only one melee hero who can go 1v1 vs Troll early game and that's LC, because of Q spam. But mid you just get a bottle and use his movement speed to control runes and gank.
No.1765
>>1522
>ever picking meepo since wyvern has been released No.1788
Right now luna is best carry in game. You play her right, she becomes a one girl rape machine.
Spectre gets a mention because of her awesome global presence. Team fight on other side of map? np just reality over, wipe them and tp back to farming.
No.1806
>>1792
>countered by heavens halberd>what is manta style No.1807
>>1806You can farm manta or bkb in that time.
Pick one.
No.1808
>>1807>>1806YOU CAN'T DISPEL HALBERD DISARM WITH A MANTA RETARDS
No.1812
>>1808It used to be dispelled by manta.
No.1830
>>1792LOL, like anyone wasnt
No.1832
No.1959
No.1960
alliance beat secret today and they had troll
he's fucking broken as shit but not unbeatable
No.1961
>>1960hes got like a 49% win rate in comp dota
he also has a 95+% pick+ban rate in comp
if you ask any professional player what their opinion of the hero is, they will always say "broken, op as shit"
take away the buffs to melee form
(ms, armor, damage, hp, bat)
lower his strength gain
lower his base damage
make fervor not increment on magic immune units and rosh
any of these please icefraud 6.84 when????
i want my pubs to be less cancerous
No.1963
>>1961He's OP, but making him shit isn't the right thing to do.
No.1964
No.1975
>>1963alchemist got hit with the nerf stick so hard they changed game mechanics in such a way as to make greed actually the worst skill in the game
I want the cancerous picks in my pubs to stop. I want the 6k troll spammers to go back to 4k because they're fucking awful at the game.
No.3493
I'm afraid to ask, but I have to ask it.
Is Spectre dead this patch?
No.3497
>>1722
I used to play this guy a lot.
Then they nerfed him,
And so I stopped.
No.3498
>>3493
Naa he's OP as fuck
No.3504
>>3498
How? The meta is early game and deathball and teamfight and shit, and Spec is the hardest farmiest lategameiest carry.
No.3505
>>3504
Participate (and do well) in early teamfights and you'll be one step ahead of the enemy team from start to finish. EVERY hero has some usefulness in teamfights even with just a few levels. Find time to use it to your advantage and try to keep the harder carries in the back.
No.3510
I have been having fun with Medusa lately. Her Mystic Snake is pretty frustrating for other heroes to lane against and her ult allows her to almost always escape a gank or contribute to an early teamfight if needed.
No.3519
>>3504
>tp to any fight as it happens
>traverse all terrain
>pure damage
No.3521
>>3510
Bitch to lame against and if you have a good anti pusher in your team it is literally a free pass to late game. Source: I play lots of teggies
No.3522