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If you like derailing other people's arguments with petty disputes over definitions and never solving problems, this is the thread for you.


Meditations - Marcus Aurelius



What does it mean to live a virtuous life? Shall we consider some degree of understanding to be a necessary condition of virtue? Why or why not?


Redpill us on Aurelius and Stoicism. What are the core principles and arguments? Why should we be Stoics?


If you had to distill your guiding values into a few basic principles, what would they be? How do you try to conduct yourself day to day?

And/or: what is your picture of a “good life?”



Well we must start off by defining the what virtue is. In a classical the old Greek word stood for excellence. To live a virtuous life is to live an excellent life. Understanding of virtue is critical, or else you'd merely be an NPC doing what is said to be right. Everyone's notion of excellence is different, so self-examine and find your own.


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>last of the five good emperors of Rome

>relatively difficult life leading the empire from the front

>widely seen as one of the few rulers to be claimed a philosopher king in his own time

Stoicism is a philosophical system of doers. The universe is a massive and complex system that we're at the whim of. Instead of cursing the flow of event one unbiasly observes and acts in accordance with what thrown at them. A stoic lives the best life with what they have. There's much to say, but being a stoic aids in being anti-fragile.



Living (((virtuously))) as best as I can. Grinding out what needs to be done and spending interim time thinking.


>Try to realize it’s all within yourself

>No one else can make you change

>And to realize you’re really only very small

>And life flows on within you and without you

Was George Harrison a Stoic? I know he drew this from Indian philosophy during his time with Ravi Shankar, but there seem to be parallels.



And while we’re speaking about Beatles and philosophy, I might as well add one of my favorite McCartney quotes:

>”I don’t work at being ordinary.”

Simple but cogent, even bordering on brash. It’s a nice guiding idea


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While I wouldn't say I have a fully developed life philosophy, I do think I can boil down what I do have.

I feel that it is important to constantly keep things in perspective, to not let petty things get to you. There are a lot of things in life that are outside of your control, so it is counterproductive to dwell on them and let them rule over you. Focus on what you can change and how you can live a good and fulfilling life.

When it come to your actions, don't let your emotions overpower you. That's not to say you should ignore your emotions, as they are part of what makes us human. However, letting them overpower your logical self can lead to needless suffering.

I would say the best way to look at life is to realize that our time here is fleeting and to embrace that. Don't let petty things control you and focus on cultivating yourself and living a life that you can be proud of. Ask yourself: "When I'm sitting on my deathbed, will I be able to look back and be proud of my life?"

Also don't feel bad if you don't always live to most perfect or virtuous life. These things are hard, and as long as you're trying to live a better life and be a better person you're doing good. Failing is part of growing and overcoming the challenges that life throws at you.

Just keep things in perspective and you should be fine.



Well said. It’s important not to be mentally and emotionally crippled by things (life events, circumstances) over which we have no control. It’s all in what we make out of the hand we’re dealt



It wouldn't be surprising as there is a lot of overlap between some of the principals and metaphysics of Stoicism and those of eastern philosophies. Very clear one's with Zen Buddhism, yet Buddhism is an offshoot of older Indian practices. Labels are labels George Harrison can be seen as a stoic in certain light, or something else in others.



I've certainly seen some overlap between Stoic and Neo-Confucian metaphysics, or at least the little bit of it I know about.

It's all very interesting, as there certainly seems to be some hearty overlap between Eastern and Western philosophical currents.

I suppose that's all the more reason to read the classics from both regions.


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Here's a pdf of Confucius's Analects if anyone is interested.



Certainly. I’m not well-read in any traditional Eastern philosophies (nor particularly in Western philosophies, but I’ve been studying up recently), but I’m keen to learn. It’s important to develop a well-rounded portrait I think



Thanks for the pdf, this should be an interesting read


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Opinion: we like Max Stirner because he’s a good meme, and I can’t convincingly dispute a lot of his points in an objective sense, but realistically he was an actual mouth-breathing troglodyte



Stirner is a fucking spook


Who’s the most based philosopher of all time? I’d say the obvious choice would be Diogenes, but there are many other contenders


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Bodhidharma. He stared at a wall for 9 years and trained the first Shaolin Monks.



>not beating off in public squares and living in a barrel

Never gonna make it


I challenge everyone who sees this to engage someone in a session of lively Socratic examination this week. Good luck, droogs



>Socratic examination

Why though and who should we even question?



To test our own and others' conceptions of what virtues are, e.g. what is piety? What does it mean to be courageous? What is excellence?

You can question anyone you wish. That's the beauty of this practice.


>No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn

More philosophy in rock, this time from Jim Morrison and The Doors


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Everyone should read Dostoevsky.


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What are the philosophical merits of this argument?



Socrates was a NIGGER



Well, if we consider the definition of nigger, that of a low iq melanin-replete individual. Then Socrates is not a NIGGER. He lacks any of the characteristics that apply to the metaphysical form of a nigger. What do you have to say about that nig?

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