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 No.23[Reply]

Welcome to the /econ/ board.

If you have any educational resources, banners, flags, CSS suggestions, or other topics related to the board itself, post in this thread. I will not delete threads relating to the board itself that are not in the meta as long as there are not too many in the catalog.

If you want to learn more about economics:
https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/macroeconomics

https://www.khanacademy.org/economics-finance-domain/microeconomics


MIT Lectures on economics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vss3nofHpZI&list=PLD10630DEA5E7466A

Yale lectures on Game Theory
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6EF60E1027E1A10B
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 No.171

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>the great depression was caused by overproduction and underconsumption




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 No.8[Reply]

Milton Friedman is one of the people who inspired me to learn more about economics. He makes it interesting, and the ideas he holds are as relevant today as they were when he was still alive.

Who inspired you to learn about economics?
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 No.95

>>27

Well mist people don't care about the economy and think monies come from trees or soemthing

 No.96

>>95

*most

 No.133

had to learn it in school.

 No.156

>>8
"A myth is like an air mattress; there's nothing in it, but it's wonderfully comfortable . And deflation causes an uncomfortable jolt."
-Milton Friedman

I really like that quote. Do you think it could work as a banner?

 No.188

>>54

Economics is not a science. Austrians use strict deductive arguments whereas Keynesians use pseudo-science and circular logic. I blame the emphasis on mathematical analysis as opposed to asking students to grapple with fundamental assumptions that underlie economic analysis.




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 No.24[Reply]

If you're in the green you're 16 and have no reason to be here
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 No.120

>>117
>>>116
>I think I answered that already. Your opinion is valid but it still can't be enforced by law. Making sure what your kids consume is part of your job as parent. The only thing you could do is design a law that forces TV stations to say what kind of content they are going to broadcast at certain times, so you, as parent have a chance to block the channel for your children or make otherwise sure your kid doesn't watch it.

>Free speech > all other concerns.


>This isn't really an economical topic btw.

 No.121

>>118
>>119
>>120
What the fuck, sorry about this, posting was fucked up.

 No.128

>>88
The left took liberal so fuck you

 No.165

>>88

Nah, liberals stole the word liberal from beneath the feet of libertarians, so they found a new word.


 No.187

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Economics is what comes after. Many ideologies like Libertarianism rise up out of economics with no consideration to concepts such as "nation", "people", and "home". Economic factors are the final consideration of a policy, only countenanced after these first three considerations are protected. I see myself as a High Tory. The way I distill the broad beliefs of the four quadrants is as follows:

>Green - Liberal

"All people are equal"

>Red - Leftist

"We will make all people equal"

>Purple - Liberal

Equality through the market: "All people are equal under the market and the law; inequality as a consequence of this equality, is good."

>Blue - Rightist

"Inequality is a moral good in and of itself."

It is often tempting to class all Libertarians as "left-wing". Fundamentally, if you believe equality is a moral good you are a leftist. Little else matters beyond that principle, the various labels are variations on a theme.

In economic terms, it is tempting to class free-marketeers as leftist since they believe in "inalienable human rights of man". Although this appears leftist, most Libertarians believe that inequality of outcome is a good and naturally follows from their first principles. This liberalism then is not leftist, but liberal. Often people in the green are dismissed as "leftist" when this is not the case, the only "leftists" being those in the red. Liberalism is still dangerous for a society since it implies that all people are broadly equal; equal in a sense of there being some metaphysical spirit common to all humans. This belief in the universality of man leads to "human rights", universal suffrage, etc. Liberalism is a spiritual death, whereas leftism is primarily material death.




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 No.130[Reply]

What does /econ/ think of Paul Krugman? Anytime I usually see him mentioned on 8chan, it's people shitting on him.
If you hate him, can you give a specific reason why?
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 No.134

>>130
I understand the Krugman hate, but he's about as smart as "establishment" economists get if you actually read him.

 No.135

>>134
Read his books or his articles or his econ papers? Would you recommend anything from him to read?

 No.147

When somebody is forcing him to be rigorous, I have no complaints. His blog posts and articles are sloppy and annoying, I usually get what he's talking about but he overstates his case and omits evidence that goes against his point, which is why people have so much ammo to attack him.

 No.166

He's a funny one. A good economist who has an ideological commitment to the left that has grown stronger over the last few years, to the point where he no longer believes in economics.


 No.186

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have some OC




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 No.164[Reply]

should a politician study economics or leave that to someone else? i can't imagine world leaders studying economics instead of politics and history - so that is why i wonder if people like hitler, stalin, obama, bush, sadaam hussein, roosevelt and others sat down studying economics instead of having an adviser.

 No.167

>>164

An advisor isn't of much use if you don't understand what he's talking about.


 No.173

They have to study about all the things that politics are involved in, all a country contains. They need to get as much information as they can get, or else they're not gonna be prepared to take control of a nation


 No.174

If you're going to be a politician I think it's crucial to have at least a basic understanding of economics. Without that you wouldn't be able to identify the cause of economic issues and develop a plan to solve them. I imagine that an expert adviser is important but that leasers also need to be able to make independent decisions. Also, a leader/politician who doesn't know much about economics would never be trusted to a position of power.


 No.185

“Practical men who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist."

– le deficit man




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 No.126[Reply]

Hello, since the amount of active users on /econ/ has shot up a lot since I've started advertising it, I would like to get a general idea of the views of the users on this board.

1. Where do you stand economically and why? (Socialist, Anarchist, Monetarist, Keynesian, Austrian, etc.)

2. What kinds of /econ/ threads would like to see more of or enjoy the most? (debate threads, news threads, shitposting threads etc.)

3. What do you think sucks about the board right now, policy or post quality wise?

Also I was thinking of some policy changes and would like some feedback.

1. This board was intended for general economics discussion and was not made for more specific things like starting a business or how to get invested into stocks, resume advice, etc, like halfchan /biz/. I was wondering if it should be more inclusive to these things and act as 8chan's equivilant to /biz/ (since 8chan's /biz/ board has barely any users and is almost dead) or if I should just advertise 8chan's /biz/ board in the announcements.

2. Should I unsticky the Meta? I feel it clogs up space at the top and was thinking about just pasting the educational resources in a pastebin and linking them in the announcements section.
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 No.161

Strong monetarist
debate threads on econ theory
no resources thread

 No.162

>>161
But we do have a resource thread. Right here
>>23

 No.172

>>126

1.) libertarian. i enjoy being free and thats how nature operates

2.) all three

3.) it seems dead

I think that economics is an important part of understanding how reality works so threads discussing ppl who heavily influence the world (politicians) and how well they understand economics


 No.183

1. Powellism

2. news/theory

3. "get rich quick" idiots; /pol/retards, and /leftypol/ in general


 No.184

We should have pdf threads and post academic journals, pamphlets, and books




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 No.178[Reply]

hello

this is my first time on this board and I just came to ask a noob question since asking google did not give me a succinct answer

Does tax-free activity add to the GDP?

 No.181

yes private sector,but not toward the public sector


 No.182

yes private sector,but not toward the public sector




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 No.180[Reply]

Do you expect another crisis like in 2008, /econ/?



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 No.179[Reply]

This is a thread about Steve Keen and other Post-Keynesian economics/economists.

Anyone else up on these guys and the baseness of their positions, models, predictions, and so forth?

Also, Post-Keynesian flag when?



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 No.170[Reply]

Hey, I figure some people here would be interested in at least glancing at these books. They're literally communist works having to do with economics.

First up, an analysis of the origins of American capitalism: https://archive.org/details/AmericanCapitalism16071800

Second, an overview of Soviet economic history by a commie academic up to 1948: https://archive.org/details/SovietEconomicDevelopmentSince1917

A reform-minded Soviet economist discusses capitalism in the 1960s: https://archive.org/details/PoliticoEconomicProblemsOfCapitalism

A North Korean book on the country's agrarian reforms of the 1940s and 50s: https://archive.org/details/TheHistoricalExperienceOfTheAgrarianReformInOurCountry

And of course no commie list would be complete with books about how imperialism works:

* https://archive.org/details/LogicOfImperialism

* https://archive.org/details/NeocolonialismMethodsAndManoeuvres

* https://archive.org/details/TheOverseasExpansionOfCapital

And finally, three Soviet compilations of Lenin's writings:

* https://archive.org/details/QuestionsOfTheSocialistOrganisationOfTheEconomy

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A book from 1957 on the structure and activity of American monopolies and their impact on the economy: https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/perlo/1957/empire-high-finance.pdf

Also, a three-volume Soviet history of the US labor movement from 1918-1980. Besides labor unions and other stuff you'd expect, the books have interesting statistics and whatnot in general:

* https://archive.org/details/RecentHistoryLaborMovementUSVolume1 (1918-1939)

* https://archive.org/details/RecentHistoryLaborMovementUSVolume2 (1939-1965)

* https://archive.org/details/RecentHistoryLaborMovementUSVolume3 (1965-1980)


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 No.177

It'd be great if you could post this stuff in the economics thread at >>>/freedu/




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 No.169[Reply]

Russia, China to Create Entirely Different Gold Market

While key Western banks are artificially restraining gold prices to breathe life into the diluted and devalued dollar system, Russia, China and other emerging economies are involved in "the genial move" to establish an entirely different gold market, F. William Engdahl underscores.

Key central banks, particularly the Federal Reserve and Bank of England, and Western market players have long been accused of clandestine gold price manipulating aimed at preserving the dollar's role "as world reserve currency primus," American-German economic researcher and historian F. William Engdahl writes.

"The COMEX gold futures market in New York and the Over-the-Counter (OTC) trades cleared through the London Bullion Market Association do set prices which are followed most widely in the world. They are also markets dominated by a handful of huge players, the six London Bullion Market Association gold clearing banks — the corrupt JP MorganChase bank; the scandal-ridden UBS bank of Zurich; The Bank of Nova Scotia — ScotiaMocatta, the world's oldest bullion bank which began as banker to the British East India Company, the group that ran the China Opium Wars; the scandal-ridden Deutsche Bank; the scandal-ridden Barclays Bank of London; HSBC of London, the house bank of the Mexican drug cartels; and the scandal and fraud-ridden Societe Generale of Paris," Engdahl narrated.

Furthermore, Western banks are issuing numerous paper "gold-futures" and other speculative contracts which are in fact disconnected from real physical gold.

In a word, operations with the precious metal in London and New York are in questionable hands, the economic researcher noted.

The West's ultimate goal is to preserve the dollar's monopoly in the market thus breathing life into the US-led global financial system. But no one likes monopolists.

Predictably, the current state of affairs cannot satisfy rising economies, such as China, Russia and other emerging powers.

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 No.163[Reply]

RONPAULRONPAULRONPAULRONPAULRONPAULRONPAUL


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 No.159[Reply]

MUH SHEKELS

 No.160

OP, don't you realize that most of the people who post on /econ/ are jews? Why else would they talk about economics? The board owner has connections to Goldman Sachs. This board was really just created to for us to discuss how to screw over the masses, especially /pol/. And please, don't use such offensive language as kike. I prefer than name Kikestein, or Kikeberg.



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 No.146[Reply]

>>>/texas/ here, wanting to wish all of you at /econ/ a happy Texas independence day. In celebration, here's an interesting article I saw an forbes:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2015/03/01/why-robots-will-be-the-biggest-job-creators-in-history/

As robots increasingly adopt human qualities, including those that allow them to replace actual human labor, economists are starting to worry. As the Wall Street Journal reported last week, some “wonder if automation technology is near a tipping point, when machines finally master traits that have kept human workers irreplaceable.”

The fears of economists, politicians and workers themselves are way overdone. They should embrace the rise of robots precisely because they love job creation. As my upcoming book Popular Economics points out with regularity, abundant job creation is always and everywhere the happy result of technological advances that tautologically lead to job destruction.

Robots will ultimately be the biggest job creators simply because aggressive automation will free us up to do new work by virtue of it erasing toil that was once essential. Lest we forget, there was a time in American history when just about everyone worked whether they wanted to or not — on farms — just to survive. Thank goodness technology destroyed lots of agricultural work that freed Americans up to pursue a wide range of vocations off the farm.

With their evolution as labor inputs, robots bring the promise of new forms of work that will have us marveling at labor we wasted in the past, and that will make past job destroyers like wind, water, the cotton gin, the car, the internet and the computer seem small by comparison. All the previously mentioned advances made lots of work redundant, but far from forcing us into breadlines, the destruction of certain forms of work occurred alongside the creation of totally new ways to earn a living. Robots promise a beautiful multiple of the same.

To understand why, we need to first remember that what is saved on labor redounds to increased capital availability for new ideas. Jobs aren’t finite; rather they’re the result of investment. For every Google, Amazon or Apple Inc. there are tens of thousands of failed entrepreneurial attempts Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

 No.155

>>146
I remember someone once told me
when a robot breaks you have to pay to fix it,
when a worker breaks you can just fire them.

 No.158

>>155
> you can just fire them
> being this deep into microeconomics that you've forgotten about macroeconomics

Do you really think firing someone has no economic consequences, for the firm or for the economy at large?



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 No.149[Reply]

>tfw french
>libertarianism don't exist here
>why even vote

 No.150

>>149
learn2economics and then tell me if you're still a lib-tard

 No.151

>>150
I'm not a pure libertarian but we need a little more of freedom here.

 No.152

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I thought libertarian in French meant anarchist?

 No.157

>>152
Yes. OP is probably using burgerspeak to communicate his feelings, he wants a neoliberal party.



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