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 No.1[Reply]

Ecological collapse is a non-partisan issue.

This board is a forum for discussion of ecological/environmental politics. Please be civil.



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 No.16[Reply]

Is there anything worse than an anprim? I agree that some aspects of our lifestyles genuinely were better in the past but suggesting that we turn back the clock to some sort of hunter-gatherer society is insane and, as many point out, would not be sustainable in our modern age with so many people on the planet. It’s utopian and idealizes the past too much. I think instead of the luddite view we need to approach enviromental issues with a sort of integrative approach between human society and nature, along with a decentralization of urban areas like Bookchin advocated for. Hating society and becoming a misanthrope isn’t the solution, though I do think that if capitalism isn’t eliminated from the picture it’s basically going to be socialism or barbarism by 2100 or so with climate change and everything.

Required reading to BTFO anprims:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-truth-about-primitive-life-a-critique-of-anarchoprimitivism

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 No.1099

is dat pol pot gang?

I would give some kind of orange shape good odds by weight on a sparrow, and sparrows are some hardcore workeruberrevolutionaries "when green anarchists counterkrondstadt"-style. So….


 No.1298

>>253

lolwut? What do you think primitive tribes fight and kill for? Land, most generally, crops, animals, pussy, more derivatively. The "profit motive" is the animal in man and will never be extinguished. Let Darwin/Nietzsche into your heart anon. Property claims were MORE numerous in the ancient period, and this is one of the reasons the past was generally more VIOLENT.


 No.1304

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>>1298

Sorry anon, but you're wrong. Read this, learn about the real history of civilization.


 No.1311

>>1304

That doesn't refute anything anon posted. It just talks about the development of informal favors to recorded transactions. Primitive societies still had notions of debt. Records prevented selfish assholes from 'forgetting' to return borrowed goods.


 No.1312

>>1311

>writes name on spear

<this is capitalism and must be abolished

Why do I get the suspicion that anarcho primitivists are just bums that want to raid my fridge and sleep on my couch while bitching about the perils of modernity.




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 No.1197[Reply]

What does /ecopol/ think of the degrowht movement?

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 No.1250

>>1197

i dont like its anticapitalist part


 No.1277

It's essential but impossible under capitalism.


 No.1281

>>1277

nope


 No.1305

>>1281

Please explain how capitalism can possibly exist with zero or negative growth.


 No.1310

>>1305

I think they called that plan multiculturalism. Stimulating low birth rates by importing spics, niggers and other undesirables.




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 No.1292[Reply]

Recycling is the final and least important part of the Reduce, Reuse, Recycle mantra, yet it also gets the most attention. If we reduce the amount of shit we break and toss out, we'll have less need for landfills and recycling while saving us more money in the long term.

How should we achieve this as a society and how can we make steps towards this in our personal lives? Ideally we should focus on making and buying higher quality, more durable goods, but this has some significant economic implications.

 No.1302

How about stopping Asia from dumping plastic into the ocean first? Then massively reduce population. Less population means less trash. Then recycle. Fertilize China with the Chinese. Fertilize Africa with the Chinese. Then stop food aid and let the niggers starve. India can't be salvaged. It's a gigantic litter-box. Get a couple of million bio-diesel bulldozers and bury it. Give Iran nukes and they and Israel can glass the middle east. Leave it to itself for a few hundred years. Retake Constantinople and force the Turks into the radioactive waste to see if the myths about cockroaches are true.


 No.1306

>>1302

China will have less cheap shit to make and throw away if people stop buying it in favour of more durable goods.


 No.1307

>>1306

Or you could just reduce their population by a billion and kill multiple birds with one stone.


 No.1308

>>1307

That's certainly one way of reducing. How will you help the environment with the meantime?


 No.1309

>>1308

That is helping the environment. Or do you think China is good for the environment?




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 No.1287[Reply]

Anyone in this board not a fascist, know you're a retard, and your retarded system either plays the good guy for public attention, or happened to "harbor" ecologists when looking for new recruits (prostituting the politics behind, as communism always do).

Capitalism and communism are both materially irresponsible ideologies that will fucking destroy the Earth and themselves, whoever wins in the ballots.

So, if you're not abandoning your semitic mindset, and join the third position, fucking off yourself. Like, can you ignorant fools even describe what fascism is? Other than strawmen please, I don't want to hear your facebook-tier copy-pastes of a response. Thanks for your time.

 No.1295

Fascism is idealist garbage and its followers are spooked out of their minds. Not to mention that they are class-collaborationist scum and their justification for this is

>We’re of the same nation and must not harm each other in class struggle!

Aka don’t harm my profits, porky.


 No.1300

>>1295

Class is spook. So are profits, brainlet.


 No.1301

>>1300

Force is real.


 No.1303

>>1287

This

If your philosophy doesn't require you to live within the laws of nature it's mere idealism. Utopia will never occur, life is Kampf.




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 No.1173[Reply]

Despite being the one of the few powerful "porkies" who cares about the state of planet?

His Tesla company, whilst never going to be competitive with big auto, showed that electric cars can be economical and competitive with internal combustion and is responsible for spurring bigger players in the car industry to invest heavily in electric drive trains for their future models.

His boring+Hyperloop idea, if successful, will make intercontinental air travel redundant, which is responsible for a quarter of all emissions in the US. An intercontinental hyperloop system would be carbon neutral

Tesla is pioneering the use of batteries in decentralized solar based grids.

His batteries has the lowest quantity of cobalt, which is enabling better inefficiencies, lower prices and higher energy densities, whilst cutting down on the use of conflict minerals.

Is the left hatred of someone as benign and ecological conscience as Elon Musk proof that theyre using environmental issues for political ends?

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 No.1276

Union busting porky who likes to take credit for others ideas.


 No.1290

>>1261

Because that's not what they're for? They're to improve employee conditions.


 No.1291

>>1173

>Is the left hatred of someone as benign and ecological conscience as Elon Musk proof that theyre using environmental issues for political ends?

Definitely. Most only care about the environment as an excuse to pat themselves on the back.


 No.1294

>>1183

this. it's how the game is played; it is a sad reality that politicians have to be paid up front NOT to a) try to steal and sell your shit to the chinese b) assfuck you into eternity with federal lawsuits of various kinds c) accuse your leadership of hyper-masculine bigotry and use it as a ruse to overturn an entire executive board and install their own puppets d) fucking kill you or your family , etc. etc. These things happen all the time; would you pay less than 1% of your wealth a year to keep your family and business from being the target of various government offices?. Musk gives on average $70,000 a year to politicians; that is literally fucking nothing compared to Koch brothers and their ilk, and >>1177 should be chastised for making such a spurious comparison.

Musk is part of the paypal gang, aka a certifed g, boss nigger. He is also from south africa, so likely racially redpilled. He's battling the entrenched form of human farming that is oil/petrodollar slavery, and the associated financial interests associated with that empire, basically a form of promethean satanism overtaking the planet. Musk and Thiel are obsessed with Lord of the Rings, where the forces of good allied with the pagan folk of the land to wrest their destiny back from just such an enemy. Read between the lines, Musk is /ourguy/. Still a lead designer at his own fucking rocket company. Dropped out of material sciences degree to build his own, way better shit. smdh what have you done today anon? Musk is taking us to the stars and reducing emissions world wide while you're basically just being a gay faggot.


 No.1299

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>>1267

Nothing Elon Musk creates is ugly. Form is as important as function to Musk, which is why BFR is more aesthetic than the vomit known as the SLS and Blue origin New Glen.




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 No.1296[Reply]

S-so much for the tolerant left

 No.1297

So much for posting about environmentalism, fag.




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 No.1289[Reply]

Hello /greenpol! because you hate /polcucks too you are all invited to >>>/liberty/!



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 No.392[Reply]

>2018

>not being an ecomaoist

 No.393

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Nah mao and all other communist are faggots just look at the "4 pest plan". Bumbling idiots destroying the ecosystem, they got what they deserved for not understand the natural order of the world


 No.423

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>>392

Really? you're basing your ecological views on fucking Mao of all people? at least do daddy Lenin, or Stalin, or literally anyone else. At-least they didn't act like fucking captain planet villains.


 No.1288

>>423

>Modern China

>Maoism


 No.1293

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>>1288

>shilling Mao on an environmentalist board




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 No.1213[Reply]

What does ecopol think of the degrowth left?

 No.1252

>>1213

what were her motifs for killing?


 No.1259

>>1252

YouTube demonetized her videos.


 No.1286

>>1259

>implying




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 No.894[Reply]

Please tell me you don't believe that capitalism is good for the environment.

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 No.1192

>>914

>>906

Interesting insight, cracker.


 No.1195

It's a true mark of a retard if they believe that just because the near multi-century capitalist elite of industrialized nations outsourced their economic manufacturing sectors to the developing/industrializing nations in the 70s that this somehow implies that the "west"/"north" is ecologically sustainable. Clean Canadian/Scandinavian/Latvian streets in exchange for billions of smartphones burned in Africa/Asia. Well, guess what - we share the same biosphere, fucko. As the economic elite (US & allies) keeps incentivizing developing nations to fuck the environment up, eventually turning the temperate climates of the north/west into a subtropical one, Aede mosquitos (carriers of the Zika virus) will migrate too, blessing the exploiting northwesterners with the humanitarian disasters safely isolated to "over-there-istan". Shit seems to need to get fucking grimey for workers to revolt in industrialized regions, as the capitalists pacify them so effectively with cutting-edge technological entertainment to cement a perpetual routine of pointless escapism whenever not under the thumb of the work-hour. But I can guarantee you as your northwestern population needs to start battling the fucking Zika virus globalization of extreme water contamination and smog of which the local industrialists are directly responsible

then be sure to provide the munition


 No.1256

Of course not, but neither is Communism.


 No.1272

If all land was privately owned, there would no longer be a tragedy of the commons. But would there be more or less pollution overall?

Pollution is trespassing, so polluters would have to make financial arrangements with all affected landowners or face legal liability.

This financial and legal pressure could result in less pollution.

Without public lands, there would be no guarantee that certain areas would be protected from development. Wilderness areas and national parks would probably be smaller / more commercialized. Environmental groups could buy and preserve land themselves, but they'd be unable to secure as much land as the feds currently hold.


 No.1285




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 No.1270[Reply]

>Board made to discuss how to protect the environment

>Both /keftypol/ and /pol/ use it to personally attack one another

 No.1273

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>>1270

To be fair, the BO did advertise this place knowing that would happen. Think of it as two packs of dogs posturing at each other to establish boundaries. It will settle down eventually as long as the mods stop being over protective and just let things evolve by themselves a bit.


 No.1284

>>1270

but both leftypol and pol hate capitalism




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 No.7[Reply]

daily reminder that uncle Ted did nothing wrong

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 No.1255

>>1233

It's a spot on analysis of modern progressive politics though… Exactly what is he wrong about, other than being dismissive of the slave morality that is ardently employed by modern leftists?


 No.1266

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>>1211

I haven't read Ted's manifesto yet: you've motivated me to actually do so.

Image slightly related, drawbacks of phoneposting.


 No.1278

>>986

Then why does he argue that civilization was a mistake? Or is he more of a total misanthrope than a primitivist?


 No.1279

>>1255

It's just another pile of straw men from someone without a clear understanding of leftism.


 No.1283

>>7

wow edgy




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 No.1154[Reply]

Why do we even let crapitalists on this board? If you support capitalism you are inherently supporting a system that is designed to turn the environment into fuel for the elite. You can't be pro-environment without being Communist.

Also, How the hell is ecological collapse "non-partisan"? Climate change is irreversibly damaging our ecology because of the continued election of rignt-wing climate change deniers worldwide.

If any of you want to actually have a chance at saving the environment, accept that Global Communism is inevitable.

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 No.1242

>>1240

Okay. Even more of that conversation thread is on the wrong board.


 No.1246

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>>1154

Objectively false OP, the chief problem with communism is that productivity is always the end goal. It's also a humanist doctrine which eschews the value of nature and natural living. That being said, Capitalism is also shit and we should at least agree that the end goal should transcend materialist systems which rape the planet.


 No.1274

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>>1187

uwhuh


 No.1275

>>1191

>capitalism resembles parasitism

Capitalists straight up are parasites. In fact the origin of the word "parasite" was used first to define the free lunch class of oligarchs before the word was ever taken up by biologists.


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 No.811[Reply]

How do we get rid of the nazis on this board?

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 No.1254

We should be focusing on our common goals rather than engaging the tired old binary /pol/ /leftypol/ dichotomy. If we agree that climate change, animal rights, mass extinction and pollution are issues we should discuss them rather than calling each other commies, nazis and digressing to banter best left to the above mentioned boards. If we do not, then this board has no point. These asinine arguments can and will be had ad infinitum every where else.


 No.1265

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>>1201

The fuckery is part of the fun, it's how anons fratrenize. Trust me, without shitposting and rascality: boards die a silent death.


 No.1268

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>>1265

That political/philosophical spectrum is astonishing, anon. Simply astonishing.


 No.1271

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>>953

Ftfy nigger.


 No.1280

We get them to read books and educate themselves.




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