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c18aa5 No.6469[View All]

http://thejudge13.com/2015/04/20/how-modern-circuit-layout-affect-racing/

>Formula 1 cars may have been slower in past eras but they looked quicker, and the work that the drivers did behind the wheel was clearly beyond mere mortals like you and I.

>what everyone within the sport seems to ignore is that much of the fault lies with the circuits

>And modern F1 circuits are terrible!

>One of the key aspects of great F1 circuits is the ‘flow’ of the circuit. The ‘flow’ is when one corner or straight feeds into another, when each corner is partly defined by what proceeds and precedes it. There is perhaps no better example of this than the almighty Suzuka circuit, built to test racing cars to their limit.

>Every corner here feeds into the next. The esses link beautifully to the Degnar corners, whilst spoon curve puts tremendous pressure on the drivers as they seek to get a perfect exit onto the back straight. The key to Suzuka’s success is that there is no wasted space; every single corner is designed to push a racing car to its limit, including the chicane and the hairpin.

>Even when the races there don’t produce overtaking, the visual spectacle is something that any motorsport fan can appreciate. A perfect lap of Suzuka is something beautiful to watch.

>One of the biggest problems with modern F1 circuits is the sheer abundance of slow, technical corners, which ruin the flow of a circuit. Much of this is apparently to make overtaking easier however the verdict is still out on whether this has actually worked without ruining the visual impact of watching racing cars.

Read this guys. This guy is on to something.

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c166a1 No.7202

>Having fun driving these track

>Take a minute break to get a drink and somehow slice open my hand with a pair of tweezers


c6b828 No.7203

File: ss (2015-05-04 at 11.47.34).jpg (184.46 KB, 1021x779, 1021:779, ss (2015-05-04 at 11.47.34….jpg)

>>7200

yeah, to cut down on blind corners and to stop you flying off into nothing if you fuck up. it annoys the shit out of me that i can't work out how to make the terrain on the inside of a cambered corner flat (see indy) as it ends up with me falling down the hole way too often. do you not have stuff like pic related in your SObjects?

if you want xpacks then http://www.yaystenny.com/rfactorstuff/Modding%20Stuff/Xpacks/ will help

>>7201

is that from the dave sabre 1978 mod? one of the best imo

>those half-baked wing cars


700dde No.7205

>>7198

>for you ;)))) i'm uploading a couple of my better tracks, please be gentle

;)

>charade '70

Yes yes yes. Clermont-ferrand is amazing. Its featured in the movie grand prix (with the Monza combined oval course) you should totally see it.


1eabe0 No.7206

>>7203

>do you not have stuff like pic related in your SObjects?

Nope, none of those. No 2D Tree wall string, no armcos, no city barriers, cones, nothing. Barriers would make pit road that much easier since I could make pit road a parking lot.


c6b828 No.7207

>>7206

that's weird, i'm sure the trees etc were default objects. there's plenty of stuff you can use in the xpack link i posted though, so have a dig around.


a61a6d No.7208

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>7202

Feel Bettur

>>7205

>vid related


c6b828 No.7209

>>7205

GP is a strange film. the racing sequences are so well shot, the personalities of the team leaders, drivers etc are so nailed on, but then you've got like 17 dreadful, useless romantic arcs weighing the whole film down, often for 30 minutes at a time. i get that it's a product of its time and that people in general would probably have expected some drama away from the track but it feels like all the director was (rightly) focused on was the racing, and was forced by the studio to include all the soapy shit. also, no nurb. WHY?


a61a6d No.7210

>>7209

Even so, there's just so many great racing sequences, and the cinematography and sound are so well done.

There is a bunch of soap to it, but even the actors are good.

Also seeing graham hill and jochen rindt and other famous drivers reduced to background decorations in the movie is funny as hell.


c6b828 No.7211

>>7210

yeah i totally agree, it's just too easy to imagine how much better it would have been had it been say 10% more focused on the racing. there will never, ever be an opportunity to make something similar again and it pisses me off just thinking about it. also, hill gave off massive pedo vibes imo, something about him was off…


c166a1 No.7212

>>7208

It's not my gear shifting hand and I'm not using my wheel so I can still drive.

Still, tweezers are fucking sharp. Never try to catch them when they are point up.


a61a6d No.7213

File: tumblr_ndst9uCBcX1slfnhho1_500.jpg (84.44 KB, 500x613, 500:613, tumblr_ndst9uCBcX1slfnhho1….jpg)

>>7211

Yeah it blows that there's not going to be another movie like that. Rush was good but really didn't have enough racing and could have been longer. Driven sucked balls massively (even though it's about CART) I almost want us to do a stream of that movie.

>hill gave off massive pedo vibes imo, something about him was off…

Graham Hill was a wacky guy, you could chalk it up to him being a tv personality, or to weird shit.

>pic related, him crossdressing


c166a1 No.7215

File: Graham_Damon_Clark.jpg (640.08 KB, 1600x1082, 800:541, Graham_Damon_Clark.jpg)

>>7213

>tfw your dad will never be Graham Hill

>tfw you will never push Jim Clark around on your toy tractor

>tfw you will never win all playground arguments with "Yeah but my dads an F1 champion so I win"


c6b828 No.7216

>>7213

rush would've been twice the film had it had a bigger budget. brands hatch and some dodgy green screen subbing for all the other tracks (except the nurb) was a bit of a downer. that said, the human drama was pretty much on the money.

>tfw no gp/rush mix with the best of both worlds


a61a6d No.7218

>>7216

Really? They only ever filmed at two tracks? I thought their Fuji Speedway looked off, but yeah that would certainly explain why we saw so little in the way of on track action.

>>7215

R.I.P. In peace Graham Hill, Jim Clark, and Damon Hill's dignity (that he's a side show attraction for Sky is pretty embarrassing considering that he was nearly a double world champion).

That picture is legitimately adorable though.


a61a6d No.7221

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

c6b828 No.7223

>>7218

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1979320/locations?ref_=tt_dt_dt

near enough, yes. it's worth keeping in mind that it was independently funded and the ~$40 mil budget they had is fuck all in 2010s film terms, and especially for a film of such broad scope. it never feels cheap, but at the same time you know that you're missing out on the bigger scale action that'd come with a proper blockbuster budget - not that motor racing will ever likely get that treatment.


c166a1 No.7225

>>7218

>>7216

They filmed at Snetterton, Cadwell Park and the old crystal palace circuit as well.

That early lower formula race where lauda spins out is Cadwell. The moment I saw it I knew it was Cadwell.


a61a6d No.7226

>>7223

The movie underwhelmed severely in the U.S. To be honest, motor racing in general is way less popular than it was. During the 90s when CART was a big deal, a lot of people would have gone to see that.

Years of shitty series (looking at you IRL and TUSCC) and the media agendas have made america begin to fall out of love with the automobile, and that's a shame.


c166a1 No.7228

>>7226

It got a few nominations and won a BAFTA for best editing here in the UK.

Some of the off track moments were as good as the on tracks ones. That fucking hospital scene with the lung vacuum for example.


a61a6d No.7229

>>7228

Agreed, the drama was quality. I loved how they got the austere germanic mannerisms of lauda and his wife right.


c6b828 No.7230

>>7226

i feel like it's because people in general have fallen out of love with cars and motoring as a whole, largely as a result of manufacturers encouraging the public to come to view their products as domestic appliances which has snowballed into a general sort of apathy towards anything with a motor. i remember how mainstream f1 was back in the mid 1990s and it's not a stretch to say that it's become something of a niche sport, also largely thanks to absolutely everyone in f1 being utterly incompetent outside of their own very specialised areas. if the team owners in f1 today had any sort of wider vision i doubt that the series would be in the trouble it's in right now.

>>7228

this. ron howard's skill really showed in those scenes.


c166a1 No.7231

File: Rush casting.JPG.jpg (118.43 KB, 562x923, 562:923, Rush casting.JPG)

>>7229

Yeah that and the casting were top notch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgsEF9r6JO0

It should have got a bit more love and Bruhl should have got more recognition.


a61a6d No.7232

>>7230

You're right. I think that the complicity with the marginalization of f1 is a big part of the problem like you said. People are okay with F1 being a show more than a sport because they're that niche audience that is going to watch no matter what, so they don't mind mario kart-esque gimmicks to toss up the racing.

If F1 was viewed as true motorsport then we wouldn't have discussion of the number of overtakes per race instead of going back to the old regs that would organically and holistically produce good racing.


1eabe0 No.7233

File: GRAB_003.JPG.jpg (170.99 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, GRAB_003.JPG)

>>7207

>Trying to export a new version with some tree walls, new scenery, sector markings and an all new AIW line for the AI to race on

>Taking 30 minutes and counting in order to build

I wonder if it's going to take a literal night in order to build the final track if it takes so long this early on.


c6b828 No.7235

>>7233

never took me all that long to export, but i think my tracks are probably retardedly simple, largely due to how shit btb is at coping with different layers of stuff. i've never bothered with trying to sort out a decent AI, is it easy?


1eabe0 No.7237

File: GRAB_000.JPG.jpg (142.04 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, GRAB_000.JPG)

>>7235

It seems fairly straightforward, at least for AI.

Basically a race line is drawn around the center of the track automatically by BTB. Being rFactor and most other sims including AC, these tell the AI where to drive for the best line and a second set of markers is used to show where the track boundaries are. While the markers are done automatically, you need to manually edit the track line yourself. If you've tried the track with AI on it, you'll notice they stick to the center of the track even though it's a terrible racing line. I updated said track line with the track lines I've used in practice.


c166a1 No.7238

>>7237

Does it do the secondary markers automatically?

The ones which tell it where a wall is?


c6b828 No.7241

>>7238

anon, i…


1eabe0 No.7242

>>7238

>>7241

The markers that tell where the boundaries of the track are? They do them automatically based on the track, you'll have to edit them if you want to do things like barriers on the track.

>A shitton of boards are now 404'd

Wut.


700dde No.7243

>>7242

>A shitton of boards are now 404'd

>Wut.

Yeah I saw that too.


c166a1 No.7244

>>7242

>>7241

There is two sets of markers for the A.I one which is where the track is and then the nearest physical barrier directly opposite the track.

Basically it tells the A.I. how much runoff it has.

I remember having to do that manually and it being a pain in the arse so I kinda just gave up.

Maybe they have changed it.


1eabe0 No.7245

>>7244

I believe these are for the "Valid" track area. Basically anything in the lines is valid to race on, anything outside is not. This is used especially on tracks that have corners that could be easily cut like Montreal or the Red Bull Ring.


c166a1 No.7246

File: bluelines.jpg (71.4 KB, 640x512, 5:4, bluelines.jpg)

>>7244

Found a picture of what I meant.

The blues lines are the runoff boarder.

The red & white lines are the track.


1eabe0 No.7247

>>7246

Yeah, those things. Those should be done automatically I think, they're done on my track automatically.

How do you access that in game? I can see it in BTB fine but not in game. Still waiting for my track to compile for the past 40 minutes.


c166a1 No.7248

File: Paul ricard.JPG.jpg (219.59 KB, 1918x1017, 1918:1017, Paul ricard.JPG)

>>7247

I have no idea I just found the image online.

The track lines are done automatically by track width but the blues ones aren't.

I believe rFactor uses the blues ones to know when to start calculating collisions.

This is just me remembering from ages ago when I did this track based (i.e stolen horrible) on paul ricard.


a61a6d No.7249

>>7248

Thought that circuit looked familiar lol


c166a1 No.7250

>>7249

I'm sure I gave it to my little brother to play with and he uploaded an onboard video of it somewhere.

Give me a minute


c166a1 No.7251

>>7250

>>7249

>>7248

Found it in all it's shitty quality glory.

http://comw.profile.xfire.com/video/5ee568/

He used his own stupid mod which was essentially created out of all the bits of other cars he liked: a 2001 body, a boosted 2004/5 engine, a 2010 style shark fin…etc

It was a mess with a ridiculous amount of horsepower and downforce which made it unusable as the A.I would go nuts if they crashed.


1eabe0 No.7252

File: SpaX1.webm (7.88 MB, 640x360, 16:9, SpaX1.webm)

>>7251

>That speed

Has he tried the Red Bull X1 mod? I've been working on making the physics more like the GT5 version than the odd physics the current mod on rFactor has. Ran a 1:21.5XX on Spa with it.


a61a6d No.7253

>>7251

>messy mod

lol


c166a1 No.7254

>>7252

>Has he tried the Red Bull X1 mod?

He 'hates' racing now.

I'm pretty sure it's just him being a hipster faggot teenager and trying to piss me off.


a61a6d No.7255

>>7254

>He 'hates' racing now.

>I'm pretty sure it's just him being a hipster faggot teenager and trying to piss me off.

Juicy!

How did this start?


1eabe0 No.7256

File: 1427562904426-0.mp4 (5.23 MB, 480x360, 4:3, 1427562904426-0.mp4)

>>7247

>Finally get the track to compile

>Load it in game

>rFactor crashes instantly

>No reason given in crashlog, just says initializing track as the last line

>Sent track over to my ACTC rFactor install

>Crashes there as well

I have no clue what is causing this to break.


c166a1 No.7257

File: DSC_0089.jpg (814.78 KB, 2560x1440, 16:9, DSC_0089.jpg)

>>7255

I honestly have no idea

It slowly degraded from liking F1 to hating F1 and liking Touring & Indy cars to hating all forms of motor racing.

The worst part was going from hating F1 to liking touring cars. I bought us tickets to go to Spa 2013 and when I bought them in November 2012 he was happy as fuck. Get round to august 2013 and suddenly he is annoyed that he is going to miss the race at knockhill and he doesn't want to go.

I take his ass anyway (This is the little cunt at Pouhon) and he clearly enjoyed it but tried to hide that.

So then next year I ask if he wants me to buy him tickets to a touring car race (Oulton park is close enough and they have the super touring cars classic race there as well) and now he hates racing.


a61a6d No.7258

>>7256

>the bard's tale

Hahah it's been a long time

>>7257

That's so weird. Maybe he wanted to believe that touring cars were production based?


c166a1 No.7259

>>7258

Nah it was nothing like that.

He did get diagnosed with very mild autism but seemingly everyone has that now and I doubt the doctor.

I'm sure I remember my mother mentioning how he liked to line lego figures up as if they were armies. Somehow playing toy soldiers is no longer considered normal.

Maybe he just got into other things and instead of just drifting away he decided to hate it. Makes moving on to the next thing quicker.


c6b828 No.7260

>>7257

seems like he's just enjoying babby's first contrarian spurt, take him to races anyway. in time he'll likely be glad you did.


700dde No.7261

>>7259

Fuck man. That's bullshit like how every kid is ADHD because they like running around.


1eabe0 No.7262

>>7261

>>7259

It's fucking bullshit, diagnosing kids with autism is this decade's version of ADHD. It just means something that they don't like so they juice up kids with meds in order for them to sit still/listen and obey or anything else in general. Considering years ago kids were running around playing games in the street and they're now stuck in classrooms learning either retarded as fuck theory or non applicable shit is what I think causes this shit.

>Edgy I hate racing phase

I sort of had that phase in my teen years for a very short period of time. There was a few years (about 4?) from when I was 12 to 16 that I didn't touch racing at all. Then I slowly eased myself back in with Forza, lost interest when I was about 18 and picked it back up when I was 20 and had it since.


c166a1 No.7263

>>7262

He isn't on any meds (thank god we aren't as crazy as your country when it comes to drugs) and I think he gets extra time in exams or different lessons.

Not too bad in the end.

Though I should probably be more trusting on the doctors diagnostic given that I collect pictures of drivers girlfriends and my half brother went and got a maths degree from Cambridge and has done nothing but sit in his room for 3 years. I can count on one hand the times I have spoken to him since despite living in the same, small cramped British house.




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