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 No.359

Wow, no hsr thread. I shouldn't be surprised.

Posting California HSR in a futile attempt to increase its e-peen.

 No.360

yeah, it's sad. what they should be doing is rebuilding local transit lines and increasing the speed/capacity of existing lines, but there just isn't the political will to do so. instead, we get this monstrous project that is already behind schedule, over budget, etc, and it's ruining the public perception of mass transit spending

 No.364

>>360

To be fair the schedule delays are largely because of fairly spurious NIMBY/political opposition. Last year I believe they had a case where the court requested anyone who opposed the project all go to court together to get it over with. Ultimately the project came out battered, but alive.

They actually started initial construction earlier this year, so hopefully we'll see something rideable within… ten years?

 No.367

I hear a Japanese maglev train recently broke 600 km/h.

Unfortunately, the Philippines isn't exactly a place to find HSR. Our fastest rail service hits a max of 80 km/h (in service), but often hits 50-60 km/h instead..


 No.378

>>360

LA-SD would have been far better starting segment not to mention actually useful.


 No.380

>>360

That's exactly what the HSR plan is. Read it for yourself.

In the HSR plan, Amtrak California and ACE will consolidate as well as electrify and get track upgrades. Caltrain electrifies too and goes to quad tracks doubling their capacity.

The HSR itself is just an excuse to get the money. At this point, the only people against the HSR are rich liberals in Atherton. Even the conservatives in the Central Valley are pro HSR now as the Drought has fucked over their economy and the HSR means jobs.

>>364

Define "HSR", the electric trains will likely be in service as early as 2020 but won't be HSR. HSR itself is planned to be done around 2025, which is when Phase 2 (AC/ACE consolidation) begins. That's a big deal because ACE services a rapidly expanding part of the bay area, so a lot of capital upgrades are needed and most of the money will come from the state (as opposed to Caltrain, which gets most of it's money from local bonds).


 No.381

>>378

Yes, but you see Union Pacific and BNSF want the state to pay for track upgrades on their ROW. That's the dirty secret about the HSR: it's effectively a huge subsidy for the freight rail companies. Passenger rail will get better service, but only if UP/BNSF get their asses wiped.

Anyway to that end, UP and BNSF want lots of capital upgrades in the Central and Tri vallies where most of the track is a century old at this point. The state is willing to come in and rebuild a lot of it, and in exchange they get more efficient passenger services as well as lobbying help to keep the federal money pouring in. The latter is important, as both UP and BNSF post HSR upgrade will be able to run much longer and faster trains from the interior (Nevada and east) into Alameda and LA's port.

Point is, from a larger perspective there's a lot of good reasons why the CV core should be upgraded first. The Tri valley is #2 because it connects the bay area to the capital.


 No.386

Shinkansen masterrace


 No.398

>>378

Problem is Metrolink has shit management. Caltrain doesn't, and has already done the prep work for electrification (signalling, trackside power upgrades) and is ready to pour concrete for more tracks. Metrolink can't even get their new Rotem cars to work without derailing on switches. As it stands, LA is dumping most of their Measure R money into subways and light rail, and San Diego has shown no interest in funding better LA-SD service.

Thus, the result is that Caltrain gets their fixin's first. ACE too as ACE is also putting up money right now for capital improvements (better bridges, double tracking, grade separation). It's all money.

Also, the SF-LA line needs a *lot* of work. Namely it needs a connection to San Jose from Merced and it needs to connect from Bakersfield to Burbank. That gives the most economic benefits most quickly.




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