c55939 No.38776
How's any fellow fat/fem/s diets going?
7a4b0f No.38784
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d7b262 No.38786
>>38784Dammit, it was my hair all along
277ead No.38811
>>38776Diets are for DEATH.
Choose foods for LIFE.
Pic not related.
36e295 No.38831
f22f8c No.38845
Just eat less carbs and on a smaller plate if ya wanna lose weight.
cc3444 No.38864
Scale broke.
My friend found out her scale was off -9 pounds. Turns out I'm 146 instead of 137 or 141 like my scale said before it broke. My arms look fat. Why did I start drinking soda again. Why don't I refuse the snacks my father offers me?
Fuck.
badf0f No.38872
I have the opposite problem. I need to gain good fats and shit for gaining weight.
Anyone got some good diets for gaining weight for muscle mass and generally healthy weight gain?
277ead No.38880
>>38864Soda has some value in it. Sugar is used by the body to do stuff like keep you alive and such.
Try these alternative to fill your need:
-Carbonated water
-1% milk with some sugar in it so its nice and sweet. Also put a bit of salt in there.
Milk is delicious and nutritious. It would be hard to over-drink it, considering even a whole gallon is still an acceptable amount of calories per day.
>>38872Milk is as good for gaining weight as it is for losing it. Milk is nutritionally designed to stimulate growth (for the baby animal). Probably you might want 2/3/4% milk though.
Potatoes, eggs, shellfish, fish, liver, chicken soup, whole fish soup, tasty fruits, vegetable broths and plenty of milk. A little butter and coconut oil. A solid meal of protein every day. Proper sleep and psychological health, including fresh air, time outside, and a mentally and physically stimulating life. Once your health is okay you can grow muscle just be working it until its tired, of which there are millions of ways to do that.
badf0f No.38899
>>38880Alright cool. Thanks anon.
f22f8c No.38906
>>38872Complete meal plan for weight gain on a budget:
http://youtu.be/AH4SK72UOUA f22f8c No.38915
>>38880>Soda has some value in it. Sugar is used by the body to do stuff like keep you alive and such.No it doesn't. Sugar is toxic. At least in the large amounts that most people in the world consume it. Alcohol is made from fermenting sugars so all 60 calories from the fructose gets metabolized by the liver and what's the liver's job? To detoxify poisons from the body.
With sugar, it screws around with Leptin, the chemical that tells your brain you're full. I'd rather get smashed off a couple of drinks. At least I'll know when I've had enough.
http://youtu.be/tdMjKEncojQhttp://youtu.be/dBnniua6-oM 277ead No.38924
>>38915>Sugar is toxicIf its toxic why does it taste so good? Why do people like sweet things? People naturally like toxic poison?
>liver's job? To detoxify poisonsIt does many things beyond just that.
f22f8c No.38959
>>38924>If its toxic why does it taste so good?It's because fructose was a rarity back when we were hunter gatherers. Your brain releases the same dopamine response as crack cocaine telling your body, "Yes! Eat more of this stuff and don't stop!" because the high amount of energy these foods provide in an environment where food was scarce. The problem is fructose came in the form of fruit back then which has way more fiber to offset its absorption. Similar to alcohol, don't want the buzz to hit hard? Eat something first.
The human body hasn't caught up to our modern rapid lifestyle where we have an abundance of food and over 80% of the world's food supply is tainted with sugar and lots of it.
>Why do people like sweet things?It's because sweets are easy and most people are whores.
>People naturally like toxic poison?As I said before, sugar is toxic at least in the large amounts that people consume it nowadays. You wanna know how I know sugar is bad? The tobacco industry. They used the same scummy tactics to fool everyone into thinking tobacco is safe. Where did they get it from? The sugar industry. They were using dirty tactics for far longer. Centuries longer. The way sugar is being made is still the same. Primarily with slave labor.
f22f8c No.38962
>>38924>It does many things beyond just that.I know. It can produce insulin, glycogen and proteins. When most people think liver though, they think detoxification first. Usually when you learn it in health class, it's with the liver's relationship with alcohol. Why? To deter students from drinking yet they do it anyways because it's notoriously difficult to change people's behavior. They've gotta cross that bridge themselves. It's not a coincidence I see dialysis clinics pop up like Starbucks on every corner.
f22f8c No.38965
>>38959"Big Sugar" Sweet, White & Deadly:
http://youtu.be/8hcAjyOFX1M 277ead No.38973
>>38959>fructose was a rarityYou know some animals naturally live on a 90% fruit diet.
If an animal can do it, then so could a human.
>the same dopamine response as crack cocaineMaybe it released dopamine as a reward because its a good thing. Are you saying things that trigger dopamine are bad? That would include basically all pleasures. Cocaine may trigger dopamine, but that doesn't necessarily mean people become addicts. See 'Rat park experiment'
http://www.stuartmcmillen.com/comics_en/rat-park/ .
>the high amount of energy these foods provideFat has more energy density than sugar. Why then is sugar more appealing than fat, especially plain pure fat?
> an environment where food was scarce.Not all natural environments experience food scarcity. Food is abundant many places, especially for a human with access to so many different niches.
>scummy tacticsScummy tactics alone don't prove something is toxic.
If you like evolutionary-minded arguments, then what about the idea that fruit's evolutionary strategy is centered around providing benefit to animals? Therefore, if fruit has sugar, then can't we expect sugar to be beneficial?
badf0f No.38992
>>38906this is fantastic, man. thanks.
f22f8c No.38996
253726 No.39006
Popping in to mention that dopamine release is the end of the brain's reward mechanism, not the start. Why the brain finds whatever leads to the dopamine release as reward-worthy is the real question - "dopamine released therefore ADDICTION" is terrible pop-science.
That said, refined fructose/sucrose in the quantities we use them (because they're used to dope up crap non-food so it becomes more palatable) does horrendous things to our metabolic cycles. We catabolise other components into the dose of glucose the brain requires to function anyway, so there's no validity to that form of the "brain needs sugar to not die" argument.
c85856 No.39077
>>38845>"how do i become healthy">"jus be healthy maaaan"Everyone and their mother knows exercise + lower food intake makes thinner people. What fat people don't know is how to eat less and exercise more, telling them "just do it" is not constructive.
Consider that if laziness and slight overeating from age 15 to age 25 led to gross obesity for a person - then slight undereating and exercise will lead to normal weight by age 35.
The problem is that most people can't maintain that level of commitment for a decade, especially if they didn't learn how to do it when they were young.t. undergrad psychologist
c85856 No.39080
>>39077This is not exactly true btw, it's easier to change weight when people are young. So in such a scenario it would be until age 40 to 45 before they had a normal weight again. fc404a No.39086
Watch "Fathead". It's about controlling the insulin production of your body, not avoiding fat. It's free on youtube.
277ead No.39156
>>39006>We catabolise other components into the dose of glucose the brain requires to function anyway, so there's no validity to that form of the "brain needs sugar to not die" argument.The brain does require glucose, and lots of it.
Converting fat or protein into glucose is inefficient and taxing. Inefficiencies hinder metabolism, which hinders health and wellbeing. The more efficient, the better. Eating the exact needs of the body is better than eating inexactly and then having your body work to convert it into what it actually needs.
f22f8c No.39157
>>39077>Everyone and their mother knows exercise + lower food intake makes thinner people.That's not the problem. It's sugar. I weighed nearly 200lbs about a decade ago. I aggressively cut down and reduced the amount of sugar from my diet and lost 50lbs by eat real food. I barely exercise. I walk whenever there's an opportunity to. I park farther away. I take the stairs instead of the escalator/elevator. But that's like what? Once a week for grocery shopping and hanging out with my friends and family? The pedometer on my phone says that's about 800 steps. Nowhere near the 10,000 steps or half an hour of physical activity that's needed for what everyone says. There's something absolutely broken with our food system and it is sugar.
Darwin, diet, disease and dollars: how the sugar in processed foods changed society
http://youtu.be/uIIXUZwpB-ULast Week with Jamie Oliver: Sugar
http://youtu.be/MepXBJjsNxs f22f8c No.39158
f22f8c No.39160
>>39157John* Oliver.
Goddammit. This is what happens when you just woke up with nothing to eat yet.
c85856 No.39162
>>39160>>39158>>39157It's ok we understand.
BTW if you want some background, there was a movement in late 80s by concerned mothers to remove fat from diet of Americans. So fast food chains removed fat… and replaced it with sugar. They even added HFCS to MEAT.
Today we know sugar is ten times more fattening than actual fat, but the sugar industry is too strong for any change.
f22f8c No.39171
>>39162Thank you. I felt like I was wasting my breath on that other American anon so I didn't bother replying.
277ead No.39180
>>39177http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2099997>In the same group of obese subjects, RMR [resting metabolic rate i.e. calorie burning] was found to be significantly higher following fructose in comparison to the glucose response but did not differ from that in controls.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11134101>In conclusion, low dose fructose improves the glycemic response to an oral glucose load in normal adults without significantly enhancing the insulin or triglyceride response. Fructose appears most effective in those normal individuals who have the poorest glucose tolerance.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1599386/>Fourteen patients with established maturity-onset diabetes were treated as outpatients with a high-carbohydrate-(about 60% of total daily energy requirements)-modified fat diet (ratio of polyunsaturated fatty acids to other fatty acids greater than or equal to 1:1) for six weeks.” “The findings suggest that it is no longer justifiable to prescribe a low-carbohydrate diet for maturity-onset diabetes.”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8213608>“Fructose ingestion induces a greater thermogenesis than does glucose. This can be explained by the hydrolysis of 3.5-4.5 mol ATP/mol fructose stored as glycogen, vs 2.5 mol ATP/mol glucose stored. Therefore the large thermogenesis of fructose corresponds essentially to an increase in obligatory thermogenesis. Obese individuals and obese patients with non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus commonly have a decrease in glucose-induced thermogenesis. These individuals in contrast display a normal thermogenesis after ingestion of fructose.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3631273>Fructose prevents hypoxic cell death in liver.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6837766>Rats consuming Coca-Cola and Purina chow ad libitum increased their total energy intake by 50% without excess weight gain. Their resistance to cold was markedly improved.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3521308>Synergistic improvement of glucose tolerance by sucrose feeding and exercise training.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18328797>Rats provided the glucose-sweetened beverage had reduced femur and tibia total P, reduced P and Ca intake and increased urinary Ca excretion compared to the rats provided the fructose-sweetened beverage. The results suggested that glucose rather than fructose exerted more deleterious effects on mineral balance and bone.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3477537>when ad libitum fed animals were offered a sucrose solution (32%) for 2 days, energy intake increased by 30% and energy expenditure by 9-12%http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15959424>Fructose and sucrose solutions enhanced daily energy intake by about 15% without increasing rat body weight.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15142987>Chronic stress promotes palatable feeding, which reduces signs of stresshttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15946410>A recent study from our laboratory has shown that a mixture of glucose and fructose ingested at a rate of 1.8 g/min leads to peak oxidation rates of approximately 1.3 g/min and results in approximately 55% higher exogenous carbohydrate (CHO) oxidation rates compared with the ingestion of an isocaloric amount of glucose. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2729168>the group consuming the low-Cu fructose diet had significantly more positive balances for all minerals studied than the group fed the low-Cu cornstarch diet. The results indicate that dietary fructose enhances mineral balance.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8476028>Fructose ingestion was found to increase total oxygen uptake by an average of 9.5% above basal levels; the corresponding increase for glucose was 8.8% and for water only 2.5%. The respiratory exchange ratio increased from 0.84 in the basal state to 0.97 at 45 min after fructose ingestion and rose gradually after glucose to 0.86 after 120 min. The average 2-h thermic effect, expressed as percent of ingested energy, was 5.0% for fructose and 3.7% for glucose (not significant).http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1221903>Contrary to starch, sucrose maintained calcium homeostasis, and apparently, normal ossification, although the femur was lighter than those of animals receiving vitamin D.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15117561>Natural honey lowers plasma glucose, C-reactive protein, homocysteine, and blood lipids in healthy, diabetic, and hyperlipidemic subjects: comparison with dextrose and sucrose.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8678268>As demonstrated, parenteral fructose, unlike parenteral glucose, has a significantly less adverse impact than glucose on the glucose balance 41eb38 No.39183
>>39157I've seen that particular John Oliver segment and there's a lot of problems with it. I fear that segment massages the facts and misinforms the public.
Sugar is widely accessible. If it was so incredibly bad for your health there should be a lot of very conclusive studies and experiments showing exactly that.
Except there aren't, because it's not true. It's just conventional wisdom based on deserts being sweet and them being supposedly bad for you, so therefore you should be afraid of sugar. Throw in some distrust of the food industry and here we are.
The main study for arguing that sugar is bad for you, which John Oliver references is this: feed rats almost nothing but fructose[1]. Do you see the problem with that? That's not testing under the conditions we are concerned with. People generally don't eat nothing but sugar. When figuring out if you can have some sugar in your diet it doesn't make sense to base your decision on a study that only covers eating nothing but bags of fructose every day. That would be like deciding you won't drink a glass of water because people have drowned in water.
Also consider this, rats and mice turn about 50% of fructose into fat. Humans turn LESS THAN 1% of fructose into fat.[1] Humans and rats are actually different species. So the effect of fructose on rats is going to yield different effects than it would on us.
So what happens when people are given food that just so happens to have a lot of sugar? Experiments and studies show they're fine[1].
However, you are right, we actually should be more careful to consume less sugar, GENERALLY. Why? "Because super sugary, energy-dense foods with little nutritional value are one of the main ways we consume more calories than we need[1]".
Yes you're right that cutting back on empty sugary calories will make a difference. That's because of the calories, not because of the sugar in particular.
We should also be eating more "whole grains; fruits and veggies; fish; lean protein" and less "fat, bad cholesterol, and salt" [1].
[1]
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwaves/2013/07/15/is-sugar-really-toxic-sifting-through-the-evidence/ 277ead No.39184
>>39183>Humans and rats are actually different species.Source?
e3372d No.39186
>>38880>soda has some value ya if you are dying of low blood sugar.
other than that , soda should be drank as an occasional "treat" like ice cream.
This is what it was invented for , a treat you go to the soda parlor to indulge in.
The obesity epidemic in america is almost certainly related to soda.
If you drink soda alot you are going to be unhappy and fat
e3372d No.39187
>>39183sugar is not bad for you.
High Fructose corn syrup is.
277ead No.39189
>>39187Soda HFCS is indeed different than sucrose. In this study, many of the extra calories (4-5 times higher than label) were starch, probably from corn starch, not sugar. I think its probably the undigested starch primarily which degrades health.
http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/24/1_MeetingAbstracts/562.1>the carbohydrate contents of beverages determined after acid hydrolysis were substantially (4–5 fold) higher than the listed values of carbohydrates 41eb38 No.39196
>>39183>>39184>Can I see a source proving that humans and rats are a different species?…
Okay… I concede the point.
1733b7 No.39229
>>39196Species are a social construct.
ee455f No.39273
Oh and you really should be exercising. This way you have more leeway in the amount of calories you can actually eat without putting on weight, allowing for a more flexible diet and the opportunity to eat the shit you actually like every now and then. Not to mention the countless other benefits of exercise that you don't get with diet alone.
If you're just dieting then you're really lazy as fuck.
ee455f No.39278
For diet you want a good amount of protein, a reasonable amount of carbohydrates and as little fat and cholesterol as possible. You want to eat only essential fats. Also don't forget the usual nutrients like vitamins and electrolytes.
c89e8a No.39526
>eat whatever I want in the world
>drink lots of water
>actually work out
You girls are fucking morons.
277ead No.40161
>>39526Are you 20? With that attitude, expect your body to begin suffering soon, as you age a bit more.
458763 No.40353
It's really hard to watch what I'm eating when I keep getting invited out to eat with friends during the holidays. ;_;
0b4d7d No.40355
i've been tryin to lose weight since july/august but to no avail… i weighed about 155 in march and i'm down to 145. i guess that's a start.
i just need to work out more and stop eating like shit. it's not hard for me to do, it's just that it's the holidays and .. come on, holiday food is great.
93545c No.40356
I started eating ice cream almost every night to put on some fat for the winter, but I haven't been changing and I weighed a pound less yesterday. I like my bones but this is some bullshit.
>tfw 87 pounds
>not even anorexic
404d4a No.40389
>>40356Yeah don't, there are guys that me that like that sort of shape.
277ead No.40425
>>40353Eat before you leave. Then you'll be mostly full.
>>40355>lose weight"Gain health", not "Lose weight".
With improved health, your metabolic rate will rise. With an increased metabolic rate, calories burned will rise, and you will naturally restore a more ideal weight.
>>40356I think ice cream is actually a healthy food. Its milk, sugar, egg yolk, and cream, all of which are nutritious in some way (and delicious).
If you really want to put on weight, drink more regular milk (like a quart or more per day), and additionally start weight training. Muscle mass is actually mostly fat, so you will gain fat along with the muscle.
>>40419I think the best way is as many small meals as is feasible for you. Milk is great for this.
There was a study, with rats, where they fed them a certain diet either once a day, or with free access to the food. The once-a-day eaters became obese, and the free access eaters maintained normal weight.
404d4a No.40428
>>40425>I think the best way is as many small meals as is feasible for you. Milk is great for this.There was a study, with rats, where they fed them a certain diet either once a day, or with free access to the food. The once-a-day eaters became obese, and the free access eaters maintained normal weight.
Talk to any dietician and they will tell you that you should be eating 6-8 small meals a day. Unfortunately nobody in american minus children of health enthusiasts and bodybuilders know about this. This makes it easier to get your servings, to enjoy a sweet snack without it being the focus of your boredom, and it also keeps you filled up most of the day. When I'm working out 8+ hours a week I have breakfast, mid morning light lunch, lunch, dinner, a meal later, and finally something easily digestible like greek yogurt about an hour before bed. I put on a lot of muscle when I eat like this and my fat just burns away.
432dcc No.40435
>>40356>>40425>Ice cream is actually a healthy foodNo. While I have no qualms with the fat content, the nutrition content is low relative to the calories and the sugar content
is not healthy. This is the most basic of the basics in dietetics. Sugar is not a problem itself in isolation but we are not meant to consume the massive amounts of sugar that we currently do. We crave it because it was historically rare; if we craved it because we "needed" it, water would be the most delicious shit ever.
>Meal frequencyStop. Meal frequency has an impact on certain people psychologically but it doesn't have any physiological impact. Your metabolic rate does not spike or plummet based on meal frequency. The rat study showed that model of obesity because there was the presumption among rats that food isn't constant so it needs to be devoured when it's available. All it proves is that tricking the brain of a rat is easy which should surprise absolutely nobody. Meal frequency is utterly and completely irrelevant beyond what:
>Helps you track your intake the best>Helps you control your hunger the bestThat said, a smaller number of larger meals typically does the latter best because humans engage in binary (100% yes or 100% no) thinking very easily. It's easier to practice total abstinence than it is to "only eat a little", because in the latter case you inevitably lose track of how much you've eaten.
277ead No.40483
>>40435Egg yolk is one of the most nutritious foods out there.
Cream has vitamin A
Milk is also nutritoinally complete, as evident by calves who grow on nothing but.
>sugar content is not healthySee above:
>>39177>>39180 Can you reply in a way that does not involve appeal to authority?
>We crave it because it was historically rareSee:
>>38973
>Meal frequency has an impact on certain people psychologically but it doesn't have any physiological impactSee:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9467230>Growing rats (250g) were fed through gastric canula a feeding solution based on Nutrison Standard supplying 1.6g protein and 266kJ ME daily. This amount was given in either 2 large meals at the beginning and the end, or in 6 smaller meals, or by continuous infusion during entire dark period (10 hrs). >After 3 weeks of feeding the mean growth rate of the rats fed continuously was nearly 20% higher than rats fed the same amount in 2 meals. The rats fed 6 meals a day had a growth rate rather similar to the rats fed continuously. >The percentile recovery of label as 14CO2 in the breath after an intraperitoneal injection of [1-14C]leucine (4 hrs after last meal) was significantly higher (p.05) for the animals fed continuously (27% sd 2.6) compared to the rats fed 2 meals (21.9% sd 4.0). The value for 6 meal group was intermediate (24.5 sd 1.8). >The results indicate that the metabolic utilization of a fixed daily amount of protein is clearly influenced by the way of supply. With respect to the change of body weight and protein status, animals have more benefit of the same amount of protein if the supply is more equable. c55939 No.40501
>>38845>potatos are my favourite foodTime to eat a lot of nuts and yogurt I guess. Are there any nuts are bad? I only like
cashews. 277ead No.40643
>>40501Compare the nutrition of potato and fruit, per calorie, and you will see they are essentially the same. The primary difference being starch calories instead of sugar.
The image you see is deceptive. The title says those foods CAUSE weight gain, but if you look at the bottom label, it says weight changes
associated with the food. All that graph says is that people who eat potato chips seem to be getting fatter. Don't forget that the typical person eating potato chips is also eating a lot of junk. Also don't forget potato chips are not simply potatoes, but they are also fried and industrially processed in various ways. Same with 'fries'.
5ae2fd No.40647
Skeleton Maleanon here, teetering at 100 lbs, 5'8''.
My suggestion is to drink. And keep drinking. Are you hungry? Drink. Drink all the fucking time. Drink when you're bored. It doesn't need to be alcohol, personally I'd recommend Sweet Tea. It's not soda, but it's not shit. And Tea is healthy I think.
Point is, drink as much as you fucking can, and try to limit your food intake to either one major meal, or sporadically eatting small snacks.
For example, yesterday I had 7 Sweet Teas, 2 small Oatmeal Cookies, and a Reeses Cup.
68e6e7 No.40651
Pretty well. As of yesterday, I've lost 50lbs in the last 5 months with keto.
277ead No.40746
File: 1419400644836.jpg (Spoiler Image, 28.6 KB, 400x358, 200:179, 1416567602769-3.jpg)
>>40647Attached pic if anyone interested.
spoilered because
dem bones 62c972 No.40862
The fatlogic in this thread… ohman. God help all you femanons.
eb23fa No.40872
>>40356That's a horrible way to bulk up. If you're going to try and gain weight, eat more red meats, try protein shakes, Ice cream will probably not make you fat if you have a fast metabolism. (iT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET DIABOOTIES THOUGH.)
eb23fa No.40873
>>40425>Ice cream is a healthy food.No no no no no, please, no. There is way to much processed shit in ice cream for it to be healthy.
62c972 No.40877
>>40425Please just ignore this stupid if you dont wanna gain weight.
277ead No.40938
>>40873Haggan daz ice cream has 5 ingredients, none industrial.
dca6b1 No.41043
>>40746Actually got kindof spooked
6e521c No.41116
>mfw I eat whatever I want, whenever I want, as much as I want, and have been essentially the same weight since 8th grade.
277ead No.41128
>>41116How old are you? What do you typically eat anyways?
6e521c No.41131
>>41128>21>fast food>junk food>bacon/sausage and eggs for breakfast>whole milk>lots of ice cream>pizza>so much chips and salsa i can't even>surgery drinks like soda and iced tea>chocolate and other candies cd151d No.41754
>>38776Just finished In Clothes Called Fat, it made me feel like complete numb shit for the entire day and I'm gonna start making an effort to lose weight. I've been making an effort not to eat anything past 8 PM, but it's hard
30d7f5 No.41779
>>41754Hey don't worry some guys like me don;t mind bigger girls. As long as you keep it under control and take care of yourself I'd think you where beautiful anyways. It's just a matter of hey your a little bigger not a lazy bitch so to speak.
277ead No.41899
>>41754But its good to eat, anon. Lots of small meals keeps blood sugar up. Blood sugar up keeps willpower and mental energy going.
If you're worried about eating 'too much', well there are some foods that promote satiety quite well. For example, a potato and skim milk are both quite satiating, and low-calorie per the amount of nutrients and satiety you're getting.
The faster your metabolism is running, the faster you can 'burn' off calories. I'm pretty sure the 'cut back' philosophy backfires on most people, because the body interprets that as conditions to start conserving energy, so it just starts running slower and people start feeling worse.
Give your body the most nutritious, wholesome foods you can, I think that will make it happiest.
d04d50 No.41966
Water weight is confusing the shit out of me. My family thinks I'm too skinny (I'm not underweight. I'm within a healthy range). I dropped like 20 pounds in two months and I'm still not happy with my body. I want to lose another 20 more. I don't think I'll ever be happy with my body. I want to stop eating entirely.
fa6a1c No.42239
You should try to match the Iron-pill diet as best you can.
277ead No.42274
>>42239Nutritionally (I mean literally more nutrients and quality):
Organ meat > muscle meat
Shellfish > fish
Milk > cottage cheese
Real butter/coconut oil > any nut oil
Any tuber (potato, yam, taro, etc) > any nuts, grain, or bean.
Also consider that milk is simply pre-processed, condensed vegetable, for the most part.
69ca3a No.42283
>>42274lol what? I've never heard anyone refer to milk as a condensed vegetable. No bully, just curious how similar the similarities are. Link?
277ead No.42289
>>42283Cows feast on vegetable all day.
First they convert non-digestible parts into digestible stuff. For example, converting non-digestible cellulose into digestible fatty acids, within their multiple stomach system.
Then these fatty acids are converted into more ideal products, like galactose, saturated fats and so on. Some vitamins are also made.
Then all this stuff is combined into milk, and fed to the calf. Milk is the end product of vegetable.
You might wonder then, why can't humans just eat grass? Well, because humans have a much less extensive stomach/gut system. Cows have 4 stomachs, for example. Hence, cows can live on grass, but humans require much higher quality foods.
I think this is all an argument to prefer milk over mass quantities of vegetable. Although a little bit of vegetable may be worth it anyways. But the nutritional design of milk is almost perfect for baby mammals (whose needs are very similar to adult mammals).
If you want to consume lots of plants, I'd recommend ripe fruit much more than vegetable. Fruits are basically evolved to satisfy animal metabolic needs.
fa6a1c No.42294
>>42274Cottage cheese and yogurt has bacterial and yeast cultures that are healthy for you, or at least promote their growth. Fish are high in necessary fatty acids like Omega 3 (and to a lesser extent, Omega 6, and Omega 9)
Also, organ meat, unless from very specific organs is risky as it may contain chemicals that could unbalance your body's chemicals too much, such as liver which has a risk of less healthy chemicals the body filtered out and stored there, and also the intestines which contain a lot of digestive chemicals that would never really go away. I'd say, the fat and muscle surrounding said organs, as well as brown meat in general, is healthier than white muscle meat.
Also, the darker the leaved vegitable, the healthier, like Cale and non-canned full leaf Spinach (turns out, popeye was surprisingly right about it).
Funny thing is, you could throw all these things, besides the brown meat into a subway sandwich.
fa6a1c No.42302
>>42294like say, tuna/teriyaki chicken with Spinach, bell peppers, olives and olive oil (and what ever else you want) and probably avacado (pssst, just take it to go and add avacado at home).
69ca3a No.42309
>>42289>>42294>>42302Ah okay okay, I get what you're saying then. I rarely eat any vegetables except avocados and spinach tbh lol. I never drink milk, in fact I hate milk, but I love cottage cheese and greek yogurt ^-^
277ead No.42320
>>42294>chemicals the body filtered out and stored thereToxic things are more stored in fat tissue than liver or muscle. I think this is part of the reason why so many people are fat, because toxic things are accumulating and being shipped off to fat cells, thus expanding them/stimulating more so they can find some place to store all the toxic stuff.
Liver deactivates toxic products, which is a complex process, which is why it is so nutritionally dense. I've not found a more nutritionally dense product, animal or vegetable.
All organs are more nutritionally dense than muscle meat. Muscle meat is simply an incomplete food. Muscle is only one part of an animal (likewise, only one part of our body).
A lot of people are turned off by the idea of organ meats for some reason, even though they are completely traditional and most people have loved them for centuries. Recently I learned that even 'alpha wolves' lay claim firstly to the liver of a fresh kill, and typically muscle meats are the last food any wolf will eat. Similar is true with big (wild) cats.
277ead No.42322
By the way this is an excellent book if anyone is into anthropology, recent history, nutrition and development:
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html 69ca3a No.42327
>>42320Ah, you know I have heard that the liver is very nutritious, don't remember where where or who though. I don't know if I would try an organ meat or not, I'm not a huge meat eater in general lol. I usually do chicken breast or fish, but if the texture was similar to chicken I might try.
cb8755 No.42388
>>42320What the hell are these "toxic things" ? What are you people talking about
Would you people talk in biochemical terms? That would make things so much more correct and simpler. This is all sounding like some serious fucking broscience.
2baf5c No.42398
Calories in, calories out.
Also run once in a while, consider weights
love,
-/fit/
277ead No.42443
>>42388>What the hell are these "toxic things" Xenobiotics, xenoestrogens, of which there are many in the environment. If they're not excreted by the body (for example, due to an under-active liver), they'll start accumulating. As I understand, mostly in adipose tissue. If it starts accumulating in say, your liver, then you've got fatty liver which is a more serious (but still common) issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_metabolismhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11834080http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430496Adipose tissue also produces various hormones, for example estridol. Again, if your liver does not properly 'detoxify' the estridol, then you will have estrogen building up in your fat, which I believe then stimulates that tissue into multiplying, in the same way estrogen in the uterus stimulates uterine tissue to start growing aswell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue#Physiologyetc
I didn't bring the idea of 'toxic stuff' to explain all this mumbo jumbo, all I wanted to clarify was that the liver is extremely important and is rather one of the primary processors of toxins (exogenous and endogenous), rather than stores of toxins. Therefore its extra important to support it, and the simplest way to support it is by actually eating liver.
>serious fucking broscience.Not your bro, sis.
a7284d No.43056
lel Python, you fatty.
5b5230 No.43085
>>39186The obesity epidemic is a myth.
458763 No.43206
What is a good workout routine for grills? I've never really worked out before and just watched what I ate, but now that I'm not a teenager anymore I'm noticing that's starting to not be enough. I see a lot of grills into pilates and yoga and stuff who have nice bodies, should I do that?? My brother also has weights I can use…
ef6fc0 No.43208
>>43206Yoga is an awesome way to get in shape and train the entire body with added flexibility
I would recommend it for men aswell, but only the asians would get it
277ead No.43475
>>43206>but now that I'm not a teenager anymore I'm noticing that's starting to not be enoughPeople's health typically starts declining around post-puberty; weight gain also often starts around then.
If you haven't changed diets, and yet your body looks worse now, then most likely this is a health-related issue. Working out won't to solve a health-issue. Rather, a more real solution is to start feeding your body better.
But working out a little would help some anyways. The simplest way to get into it is literally picking up heavy things and lugging/lifting them around different ways. Like a backpack full of books. Also body-weigtht stuff like Yoga (you can just start doing what feels good/tough, rather than needing read any book). Particularly squatting for dat ass.
853fb2 No.44881
Gave up on exercise about a year ago because of lack of time and now I really don't want to go back and do it. I'm overweight but not horribly - almost 70kg with my height being 161cm. Always was like this, until 2 years ago when I managed to drop almost 10 kilos and was weighing a nice, almost-tight-clothing-acceptable 60 ;_;
610217 No.44889
>>38776Is it bad that I find the girl in your pic attractive? Would she be considered voluptuous
or am I filthy degenerate chubby chaser cc51b1 No.44907
5 ft 11 here.
Used to be somewhere in the high 180's low 190's.
I cut GMO's out of my diet and began to drink Yerba Mate on a daily basis (about 1 1/2 liters a day), and I go hiking one or twice a week.
Been about 140 lbs for the past year.
610217 No.44911
>>44907If you're a girl that's a pretty good weight (according to some BMI chart I found on google). I know BMI isn't the best indicator of a healthy weight, especially for people that deviate from the median height (square-cubed law and all that), but from what I can tell you are on the lean side.
As a Fe(man)on I'm at about 195 at 6'4" with a wide frame but I'm currently cutting back to about 180. I'm not overweight for my body type but I'm leaning towards the upper end of my acceptable weight range. Is running and basic exercises (crunches, pushups, squats, jumping jacks, stretches) an adequate enough regimen? I'm not looking to get jacked
or turn gay and join /fit/ but I'd like to go lean gain a little bit of muscle. Just something that I can maintain with 3x a week, half-hour workouts (and 15 minutes of alternation between running and sprinting everyday plus a few minutes of walking padded in front and back). I've started this routine about a week ago.
404d4a No.44920
>>44911BMI isn't just not a good indicator of health, it's the worst possible one. I lift weights, I'm 196.5lbs at 5'8'' at 14% bodyfat and it says that I'm obese. I'm pretty close to having visible abs after a bulk and it says obese… That's a load of shit.
610217 No.44923
>>44920There's no need to be mad.
404d4a No.44924
>>44923I wish I wasn't mad. I really do, at least my training improves with increased rage. I'm going to go pick things up and put them down for a while. Wait I just did that… SHIT.
ca0cc1 No.45021
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>>44889Are you kidding? That woman is fucking beautiful
80f2c9 No.45214
trying to gain weight… Fuck these genes
04f44b No.45229
>mfw watching women give other women weight loss advice
Jesus christ you cunts are stupid
Calculate your TDEE, then subtract %15 to %20 to lose weight, good carbs/bad carbs is related to the amount of energy you get from certain foods not weight loss, you can still live on 2000 calories a day of shit food, you'll just feel like shit doing it and want to eat more.
04f44b No.45230
>>45214Lift Weights, muscle weighs more than fat but is less voluminous.
04f44b No.45231
>>45229Also, I lost 30 lbs in 6 months doing this. Its really not fucking hard, women are just gullible and listen to diet-pill company propaganda that women lose weight differently than men, that shit is simply not true.
277ead No.45280
>>45231> women are just gullibleYou say this like men aren't equally as fat as women.
e24b52 No.45289
Dude here that managed to burn up about a quarter of his weight and move from obese to normal in about a year and a half, what you need to lose weight is constant exercise, make sure to do at least 40 minutes of cardio a day for example.After about 30 minutes you start burning fat.
Diets are all fine and good, but phisical activity is what you need, preferably cardio, so get a veloergometer or a treadmill, for tv obsessed amerifats and britfags that can't stop staring at the idiot box it is great, you will be a fitness carrot instead of a couch potato.
Since you aren't actually going anywhere it is perfectly possible to shitpost or read stuff on a veloergometer, just hook up the laptop or desktop to the tv that is in front of your gym equipment and get a usb keyboard(tested, I've even played a few games that way, the results were not stellar but it is possible).Reading on a kindle while doing excersise is just fine too.
507cdc No.45317
I use massive amounts of loosh energy for magick. If you guys want to eat tons of food every day and still be worried about going full skeletal mode start doing magick. It requires tons of energy to power thoughtforms… and yoga and various related practises will make your body really strong. Especially effective for any of you that want to lose weight and develop unusual powers over the fire element is to do tummo meditation regularly which causes your body to heat up a great deal and burn weight. I could also just practise vampirism off of any of you if you can't find use for that extra weight… draining you of your vitality and forcing your body to use up its energy reserves to replenish it.
>tfw always using incredible amounts of energy
>tfw other people literally got all this extra energy reserves on their body and they're so mentally and physically lazy they can't figure out what to do with it
>tfw you're all like walking loosh batteries
507cdc No.45318
>>45289The one organ that burns the most energy in the body is the brain but most people don't overclock their brains with intense meditation and instead do stuff automatically, mindlessly, day after day.
Not kidding at all here.
It's still good to have powerful muscles though as muscles store up tons of energy in them probably better than mere fat.
Also people put on fat because they are toxic and the body wants to keep the toxins from the organs, so it stores the toxins in the fat.
So everyone must drink clean water, breath clean air, and eat good healthy food free of preservatives/pesticides/etc. as much as possible and they will never have weight problems.
Also training your body to just burn away energy to produce heat while you're in cold and not wearing much clothing will cause you to lose so much energy.
458763 No.45319
>>45317>I could also just practise vampirism off of any of you if you can't find use for that extra weight… draining you of your vitality and forcing your body to use up its energy reserves to replenish it.That sounds dangerous but also somehow autistically erotic.
507cdc No.45338
>>45319Hmmm I could probably exploit the lust in many people like you in order to take more of their energy. Like an incubus.
458763 No.45352
test
458763 No.45353
>>45338Assuming this stuff is real, that sounds like a really bad idea! I don't think you could get people to agree to that.
507cdc No.45356
>>45353The thing is I don't need to make people agree to it. They will just submit to my will. Having someone simply agree without any special influence is just a little easier as it requires less initial investment of loosh energy. Many people in this age do not guard themselves against such influences and waste away much of their loosh on lust every day engaged in mundane fapping or pornography watching and so on.
458763 No.45359
>>45356That sounds pretty unethical to just sap life energy from people without getting their permission. At least take them out for coffee or something first!
507cdc No.45364
>>45359Encouraging people to drink the caffeinated jew like that is about just as unethical.
Most people manifest little self-control and can hardly be said to making their decisions lucidly and with full understanding.
(See: The Stellar Man by John Baines)Attaining permission and doing various formalities like that would be fairly easy.
If someone wanted to do magick with me I would be so happy and I'd give them assignments to do every day and we could collect tons of loosh together, probably enough to satisfy all needs, until we can transcend third density completely.
458763 No.45371
>>45364That sounds like fun but I asked my boyfriend if I could be your magical apprentice and he said "No that's an awful idea and you shouldn't trust strangers you don't even know with that kind of stuff," sorry man :( but I'm sure people on /fringe/ would be interested in learning from you!
28a988 No.45380
I have lost 24 pounds(11KG) in 3 months. Still losing
507cdc No.45383
>>45371I wish I had someone to practise magick with and I don't care if it's a male or female I just look for these qualities:
>won't be disappointed by failures>sincerely interested in the occult, has at least some practise and understanding>reads the same occult books as me>wants to experiment>wants to put things to the test>isn't someone put off by my white supremacism or afraid of LHP stuff 507cdc No.45384
>>45371Also yeah there's lots of people on /fringe/ but I can only talk to them online as none of them are ever in my area.
151a60 No.45420
Fatass guy here, I use to be hot, then I got fat.
working on getting skinny again, going good so far, back on the ECA stack helps, alright thats all thank you.
151a60 No.45421
Fatass guy here, I use to be hot, then I got fat.
working on getting skinny again, going good so far, back on the ECA stack helps, alright thats all thank you.
04f44b No.47645
>>45280At least we're honest and admit we're lazy instead of making up stupid excuses like "ITS HAAAAAAAARD FOR GIRLS :(((("
dc3dcc No.47659
>>47645Well at least women don't generalize like every man ever.
68dedb No.47676
d74280 No.47695
>>45317>energy vampiring>tfw I can actually do this>tfw did it a lot in highschool>so many exhausted nights with no sleep>keep self going by loosh vampiring off of the people that normally get on my nerves>mfw they are slumped over their desks ready to fall asleep>tfwFeelsgoodman.
71cefd No.49245
>>40647This is how I live and is why I am fat
checkm8
aec4c7 No.49247
e8d74a No.49265
>>38845Wow this chart
>implying fruits aren't full of carbs >implying they don't increase cholesterol >implying meat protein makes you fatNuts will make you explode too if you fill yourself with them. Eat beans (any kind, including peas, lentills), assorted veggies, eggs cooked on butter, ground lean meat, chicken breast (preferably grilled).
Don't eat white carbs (pasta, rice, bread, etc, potatoes)
Don't drink milk or eat cheese (cottage is fine).
Don't drink calories (Soda, alcohol, juice). Tea is fine.
Don't take stuff with sweeteners to them.
Don't have any junk food at your disposition.
Pick one day of the week to eat stupid shit all you want.
You don't even have to exercise. Just eat a good breakfast (a few eggs with meat & veggies), learn how to make vegetable/bean & meat stews and pile it on your fridge then have it. It's impossible to gain fat from doing this.
Look up the slow-carb diet by Tim-Ferriss. Pirate his 4 hour body book if you feel like it, it's the only thing that's worked for me.
e8d74a No.49288
>>45317>>45319>>45353>>45356>>47695>see this dumb shit about being a psychic vampire>look it up>MFW it's basically just a pretentious name given to being a cuntmy head is gonna pop i literally cant
d7b262 No.49699
>>45317>I use massive amounts of loosh energy for magick.TOP.
KEK.
a4ccbc No.49737
>>42327Liver is similar in texture to cheap steak and tastes of slightly more people-palatable canned cat-food.
It is, however, extremely good for you, and liver & onions is tasty stuff if done right.
68dedb No.51142
>>49737I don't really feel that way. To me it tastes soft and rich and occasionally with a tad of sweetness. But different varieties may taste different. I prefer the frozen types over the 'fresh' type.
Cooking time is only like ~3 minutes fry, not more lest it turn tough and dead. I try to have it at least once a week and its one of my favorites, always satisfying in a unique way (as if my body craves something in it).
3b72fa No.52127
>>49265>You don't even have to exerciseThat's when your post became stupid.
87e147 No.52129
>>52127Well I exercised, but it said so in the book that it wasn't completely necessary as long as you were rigorous about it. Which isn't hards to do if you can cook something good and stick to it.
I also looked up "slow carb diet" on google and a lot of testimonies from people said they didn't exercise, that it worked and that they were having an excellent time with their custom built dishes based on the list.
d7b262 No.52256
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>>52129As much as I love your 'slow carb diet' (i just googled it) and I agree that it is possible to lose weight without any exercise…
I think the word 'diet' should be reclaimed. Diet is supposed to mean 'the things you eat, in general', not 'things you eat for a few weeks or months as you follow a rigid meal plan'.
The slow carb diet for example, works on the principle that protein fills you up and complex carbs are not only good for your health, but take longer to get broken down than simple ones.
I think it's better to incorporate healthy wisdom like this into your life and general diet than to do it as a one off thing.
But yeah, exercise is great. It's really good for you, makes you less depressed etc.
76ecd6 No.52627
>>51142You can also try breaded liver. Take out an egg yolk and mix it until it's homogenous. Dip all the liver in the yolk mixture and smack them in breadcrumbs before tossing into the (oiled) pan.
a27586 No.52637
>>52129Weight loss is not health.
1ef75d No.52774
>>42320> copper 847%dat copper poisoning
1ef75d No.52775
>>44889I'm not a chubby chaser but I think Rihoko is pretty cute.
d7b262 No.52843
>>52637It can be if you're overweight.
We eat way too many carbs anyway in the west.
64ec39 No.52860
>>52843>It can be if you're overweight.How fascinating, you should take that knowledge to some conversation where pointing it out is in context.
>>>>>off you go
68dedb No.53818
>>52774Think of it this way, if you have one serving a week, you'll have met your minimum copper needs for the whole week.