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fab97e No.51816
/fem/ sorry if this is weird but I'm not really sure where else to ask. Long story short I basically grew up in a situation where I could never really be a "girl". My only friends were male, I grew up playing video games, and I basically ended up coming up with some weird "feminity = weakness" thing from somewhere. But I…guess I kind of want to try since I've never did it before? I don't wear skirts or paint my nails or know anything about make up and my hair is just brushed and kept long with no real style to it. I guess what I'm asking is where would I start with this sort of thing? If I don't like it I can always just go back to normal.
Laugh and I'm going to get super mad. Also if you suggest pink I'm going to flip my shit.
6b1779 No.51817
>>51816Girly girls are boring anyway I would take a qt tomboy over a girly girl any day.
fab97e No.51819
>>51817I don't want to be like super girly but I want to see what it's at least like. New experiences and perspectives are always good, right?
932881 No.51827
I would say that if you don't want to completely take the plunge and fully immerse yourself in everything with the risk of getting overwhelmed, start with what the most interesting thing about femininity is to you. Is it fashion, beauty, health, personality, or something else? Learn what you want to a satisfying degree before moving on to something else. Youtube tutorials and Pinterest are great learning tools.
(On a side note, something I've observed that's kind of interesting to me is that when you want to become an expert in "male interests" you have to do some digging to seek out the niches of experts that hide themselves away, but when you want to become an expert in "women's interests" you go to the most popular and mainstream resources that everyone is talking about.)
786699 No.51830
>>51816Most dudes, at least not on this site, would have an issue with tomboys
but for starters get a manicure and a pedicure
everyone secretly loves mani-pedis
also have some delicious smut
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>>51830most at least the ones on this site*
sorry tired
bd07e2 No.51847
Starting off all by yourself with some of these female hobbies is likely to be very prone to failure since it's mostly something that's got to do with mannerism and habits. Do you literally have zero girl friends? It shouldn't be difficult to hang out with them and ask them to introduce you to girl stuffs.
If you don't have any you can go to a beauty salon and they should get you started there with what you should get and do. If they turn that down, they're cunts, specially because it means you could be a customer there. From there, you can make friends and ask for more basic tips.
>I ended up coming up with some weird "feminity = weakness" thing
It's just often the opposite of practical. In a general sense, it's less about getting things done and more about convincing someone to do them for you.
Since you weren't grown to be a girly girl there's a good chance you'll find some of the stuff to be thoroughly unnecessary or even revoltingly so.
079458 No.51859
>>51816Dress like cute girls in anime and manga do
c5e2bc No.51863
Make some new friends and learn from them.
You can learn some things from the right TV shows where this sort of thing is featured prominently. America's Next Top Model or something on a fashion channel might give you tips and show you ways to act feminine in whatever way you like.
There are online resources that can help you out. What did you want to learn?
For skirts there isn't that much to it. Okay make sure to have your legs be presentable. When sitting you're going to keep your legs together and you will have to tuck your skirt all dainty and lady like so it doesn't flash your panties dear.
For painting your nails I would recommend a manicure so your nails are all clean and polished before you paint them. If you can do it with a friend.
For your hair I always did like nice braids. Make sure to use conditioner that's good quality and smells lovely so your hair has a wonderful look and scent to it. Oh and when you let your hair out from a braid it can have a nice wavy look. A little blow drying (not too much I'm no expert but I've heard it can damage hair) after a shower can give you a lot more nice volume.
Oh and you should get a hair cut. Long hair can get split and you want to avoid that. If you haven't cut it in too long, please do that.
Don't feel like you have to hate pink for some reason. It's just a color and not a mark of stupidity or weakness. But if you don't like it just don't use it.
fab97e No.51874
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>>51847I kind of don't have any friends. All the guys I was friends with drifted off to do their own thing and I never really made any others.
>>51863I'm a swimmer so my legs are already presentable and I try to take care of my hair but I don't know anything much about styles is my problem.
I guess I'm just sort of overwhelmed where to start? I know I shouldn't be but it feels kind of daunting to do something so…new? Like when I was growing up I was all like "ew no way" but the fact I'm seriously trying to consider it now just makes me feel weird. I guess I could try online stuff though. I'd probably want to start on something small like nails or health. Make up and personality and fashion seem like…waaaay too big steps and even now I'm sort of iffy if I want to go that far.
I guess I'm just worried about becoming a shut in whose had no experience of what femininity is.
786699 No.51877
>>51874Describe your build
Can you pull off yoga pants?
I live in Oregon and I'm always seeing women in yoga pants even in fucking winter
Also dudes generally dig yoga pants, unless you're a hambeast
138f25 No.51881
786699 No.51884
>>51880
Sounds fine, if you're still not certain go to a store where you can try them on and take a picture in the changing room mirror
Then post them to /fem/ or something and they can tell you their thoughts
Or don't and just do what feels comfy
fab97e No.51885
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>>51877I guess my build's okay? I'm just under 140lbs, I'm kind of short…kind of flat chested. My butt and legs are okay though! Not sure how I'd rate my hips though.
>>51881Why would you want me in Melbourne when I'm only just trying this stuff out anon?
786699 No.51886
138f25 No.51887
>>51885Because I don't go for girly girls. I like women that have a bit of tomboy in them.
fab97e No.51888
>>51884I kind of have been trying to be sneaky and post without my flag for reasons but I keep fucking it up. Sorry about the post deleting and reposting.
>>51887But anon right now I'm like entirely tomboy. I'm worried people will think I'm a dyke.
138f25 No.51892
>>51888Well I don't know you so have no idea what you are like but don't be fooled into thinking you need to change to find a man.
17ff5b No.51898
>>51888Its fine about the deletion
Also my perception of dykes is abrasive and challenging without humor personalities
Men don't like feeling like they have been judged worthless and all that
bd07e2 No.51899
>>51874>I kind of don't have any friends.o-oh.
Well, I told you to try checking out a salon where people actively work with girly things. If you can make a friend there they'll teach you stuff.
If you're spaghetti and anti-social then that's a different story altogether.
>>51892This is true. If you already take the least bit care of yourself and don't live with a hundred cats then you can totally find a guy regardless.
The girls here really hate tomboys because they get a lot of love without half the bother as you can see. Some guys don't like tomboys because they feel their personality is being threatened as they've also been grown to venerate the girly girl thing.
17ff5b No.51900
>>51888>>51898The short of that has to do with your body language and just having a good sense of humor
How are your social skills?
If they aren't very strong you may wish to go to your local community college and take a class on something like business communication or communication skills, assuming you are old enough for that
fab97e No.51901
>>51900>>51899My social skills are…bad. Let's just put it at bad.
>>51892It's not really about getting a man. I guess I just want to do out of a mix of curiousity and to see if I enjoy it. I keep seeing stuff and wondering if I should try it then trying to ignore it because of how I was raised and I finally decided I would just give it a try today. That brings us to here!
bd07e2 No.51902
>>51901Being feminine also implies being social. So start working with that first, then move into the rest.
138f25 No.51905
>>51898I have had dykes give me the type of look men give each other before fighting, some feel the need to "prove themselves as men" more than men do. Then if I respond with any hostility they say "you are jealous I get more pussy".
This is why many men hate bull-dykes, not because they challenge us but because of the way they challenge us using a combination of male and female hostility we don't know how to counter.
>>51901Have fun with it then and see what you like.
17ff5b No.51908
>>51905Yeah that about sums it up for dykes
>>51901How do you define your lack of social skills?
Do you talk like a salty sailor without reverence or consideration for others?
Do you simply lack confidence?
Do you just not have anything to say?
Details would be appreciated, like an example of your skills not being good, would be appreciated
fab97e No.51913
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>>51908More lack of confidence than anything else. I get worried people will think I'm weird or that I'm butting in or that I'm bugging them. I do swear kind of but not in public and even if I did most girls around here swear just as bad as boys do. I'm worried to approach people and I feel sort of…plain.
17ff5b No.51919
>>51913Confidence is possibly the most common problem for communication and can be remedied with an expanded arsenal of communication skill, practice and the right mindset
That mindset is somewhere along the lines of
"everything I say is worth listening to"
"However sometimes other people say things worth listening to as well so I don't talk all of the time."
When there is a pause in the conversation imagine some cool dude like me is there and said to you "well, what do you think?"
Because your opinion does matter
Now that will get you started for confidence but the delivery part can be a bit harder at times so you want to look into stuff like body language and non verbal communication
For instance you may not notice this but when people cross their arms in conversation it generally means they are feeling defensive
17ff5b No.51921
>>51919Also things like facial expression, where your eyes are looking, posture, responding with the occasional nod or "mmm" or "mhmm" to show you are in fac5 listening when others talk
Then when you yourself talk try to remember those same things but also remember to speak clearly, that is to say loudly and boldly, and also in the western worked try to make eye contact every once in a while because you want them to hear you
2f9175 No.51930
Oh, it's the UHHH I'm not like aaaaall the otheeer giiiirls, I'm not a bimbo like theeeeem
I like blue and vidyaaaa pay attention to meeeEEEE
fab97e No.51932
>>51921But isn't feeling like everything I have to say is important kind of up myself? I feel like other people have important stuff to say though.
>>51930Did you even read what I wrote? If I was calling other girls bimbos or acting like I was special why would I ask how to be more like other girls? I'm really sorry if I came off in a bad way but I honestly just wanted some advice and just wanted some sort of starting point. When I feel like I have a good place to start I'll delete the thread, okay? Sorry.
8dfe8e No.51935
>>51816Find people with similar interests first, then befriend their girlier friends and go along with them in the girly shit.
But then again tomboys are always cuter then girly girls so you don't need to worry about it.
17ff5b No.51936
>>51932Yeah, but like I said
Everything you have to say is worth listening to
But
Sometimes other people have things worth listening too as well
bd07e2 No.51937
>>51932>I feel like other people have important stuff to say tooCalm down. Do you even read what people say or do you stop to reply as soon as you contest something? He clearly addresses that point on the next line.
>I'm really sorry if I came off in a bad wayLike I've said
>>51899 people here just pop off when they hear the word tomboy. You don't have to delete this thread because some twat doesn't like your post.
6c2090 No.51940
>>51932Also don't be apologetic just because someone else feels like throwing a bitch fit
What you have to say matters and if someone says you are wrong in some way ask them to please elaborate instead of just backing down like a beta clown that is too thirsty to stand up for himself
f0b42c No.51944
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7c8bfd No.51948
>>51944>being an artificial state 33d1d4 No.51951
>>51948Seriously?…I mean…can't you grow up and get on with your life?
079458 No.51960
>>51935There's tomboy and there's butch and there's just being bad at being a girl altogether
>>51885>>51874Do you swim often?
Maybe instead of wearing underwear you should wear a swimsuit under your clothes
That's feminine, in a way (or I feel like it is, it's definitely attractive)
bd07e2 No.51963
>>51960>instead of wearing underwear you should wear a swimsuit under your clothesthe fug
07fc4d No.51971
>>51960Butch=/=tomboy=/=bad at being a girl.
Just find a cute hobby or something you find cute and that way you act all girly over that.
079458 No.51973
>>51963What "the fug"?
If she swims everyday it's justified anyway
>>51971There are girls who are bad at being girls because they just seem ungirlish without being butch or tomboyish
bd07e2 No.51974
>>51973i think youre trying to implant your fetishes on her. I'm yet to meet a girl who walks around with a swimsuit under her clothes nor have I heard of that outside a chinese cartoon. If only it were a bikini.
e59fc3 No.51980
Tomboys are exotic and sexy in their own way, only problem I have is that they seem unaproachable.
33d1d4 No.51982
079458 No.51988
>>51974Swimsuits, if they are a fetish, are the most universal and vanilla of fetishes
In any case I'm not sure what we mean by effeminate in this thread
6c2090 No.51995
>>51988No the most universal and vanilla of fetishes is consentual missionary sex until simultaneous orgasim resulting in insemination deep inside
impregnation may or may not be a factor 079458 No.52003
>>51995Does a fetish need to involve sex? Then swimsuits would be a turn-on rather than a fetish, and the most universal and normal one.
6c2090 No.52010
>>52003Technically I don't think they do need to involve sex
My understanding of the relevant Webster definition was something that was needed for sexual gratification
5310ee No.52019
A tomboy, to me, is not really a lean towards being a male. I think of it as a unique trait in its own right, but it's a theme that pertains boyishness. Like, I don't think it is really, masculine at all. Anyway, tomboys are just another lovely form of girls.
If you would like to just wet your feet, I think I know the best first step. Hair accessories. The thing about them is, they're really enjoyable and cute on their own, and you could stop there and have something to show for it already, because you would be so cute with hair accessories as a tomboy. It's completely fitting and it may thrill your feminine curiosities! I definitely think you should accessorise your hair in some way to start off.
Clips are easiest to incorperate. You could separate and set back some of your hair which means you've already added a volume of femininity since your hair is a bit patterned now rather than just laying over the sides of your head. You could just put them in without much of a separation too. And the plating on them, could be small and cutesy. It's warm to have some subtle cute thing there like that. Nice, wouldn't it be?
Hey, wanna be gutsy? Wanna get real gutsy?? Wear a bow. Bows on a tomboy are so good, I love that. A headband bow on top of your hair please! Ahh I wanna put bows on tomboys everywhere
You should likely try swearing less, or rather saying vulgar things in general. Though I don't think that vulgar language is masculine in particular, at least not necessarily. It's not really anything either way. But the problem is, masculinity just isn't hurt by vulgar language, it doesn't make a difference. Femininity is hurt by it though, it dampens it and takes the character out of it. But also, it can be more subtle and just a quirk, you could have a little swearing quirk and still be feminine, it may even have a small charm in a way.
For your clothes, a zip-up hoodie with a shirt would be fine, but also, consider going into the realm of skirts!! This is where you will really cut into being more feminine. The final, most excelling parts of becoming a vibrantly feminine, lay in having more complicated topwear and footwear, whereas your bottomwear and hair actually have more universally female attributes. Skirts should suit you quite easily, no matter where your traits lay. You just have to be a girl for them of course! Definitely go for some tights with them. Tights are a pretty huge impact on what it is to wear skirts. I think when a girl thinks of skirts and feels intimidated, they need to also realise tights exist. Tights often make them a lot nicer aswell as more comforting exposure-wise.
For shoes, try straying away from trainers for a start-off. If you're going for trainers, I think ankle trainers are usually cuter, the laced plimsoll kind. Although they aren't really feminine, they're just kind of neat. You should have a look at some flats though. Flats really aren't necessarily too feminine, they can be fairly laid back and normal to wear.
fab97e No.52022
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>>51936>>51937I guess I'm just so used to my current attitude. I'll try though…not making any promises it'll work.
>>51940I'll try stand up for myself more too!
>>51960I swim pretty much every day or every other day if I need to pass on it. But isn't that kind of weird like
>>51963 said?
>>52019Bows are scary, no way. Way too daunting. The rest seems like good advice though! I'm not really self concious of my legs but it's more just wearing something that's so…open. I've worn skirts before but I'm so used to jeans at this point that it seems odd.
079458 No.52025
>>52019>You should likely try swearing less, or rather saying vulgar things in general. Though I don't think that vulgar language is masculine in particular, at least not necessarily. It's not really anything either way. But the problem is, masculinity just isn't hurt by vulgar language, it doesn't make a difference. Femininity is hurt by it though, it dampens it and takes the character out of it. But also, it can be more subtle and just a quirk, you could have a little swearing quirk and still be feminine, it may even have a small charm in a way.A feminine thing to do is to put your hand to your mouth in surprise whenever someone swears
>>52022Wearing a swimsuit under one's clothes definitely isn't a masculine thing
I'm not sure whether you're going to general girlyness or subtle female sex appeal
Wearing a swimsuit under your clothes is appealing sexually somehow, but I suppose it's also tomboyish
bd07e2 No.52046
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>>51944>>51881>>52019>>52025>>52022See OP, this is why the first thing I said when I came in this thread (
>>51847 ) was for you to go find/make some girl friends that
can see who you are and take THEIR introductory course into femininity instead of giving you any tips. Doing this stuff by yourself could be disastrous.
If you try to follow what people here say you'll end up walking around with plastered on make up, a bow, twin pig tails, green and pink thigh high socks, fake glasses and a tutu skirt with a swimsuit underneath alongside practicing weird gestures like covering your face when cued to or squeaking loudly whenever you see something cute.
It's a bunch of dumb men giving advice here for the most part in case you haven't noticed, and they don't know much about women aside from the cartoon ones.
fab97e No.52049
>>52046Yeah, I was kind of hoping more girls would have chimed in…I figured this would be the best chan board to ask.
bd07e2 No.52053
>>52049You can try
>>>/beauty/It's not super populated but it's not infested with these retards either.
And now that I've said this, they're gonna go there.
932881 No.52054
>>52046I felt shame reading that post because that is really similar to what my first attempt at being more feminine looked like…
079458 No.52055
>>52049>>52053I was about to mention beauty
>monkeyman calling others retards bd07e2 No.52057
>>52055>monkeyperson calling others retardsReally comes to show how bad things have gotten.
079458 No.52060
>>52057Well she should've known that learning how to makeup would be the obvious first step towards acting feminine
bd07e2 No.52065
>>52054>>52060Well, no shit. It's not as easy as it sounds.
What you think looks good might actually look horribly silly. That's why in the beginning you need opinions of real people who can see her and know about the subject, and not of Zeta male channers for whom looks don't even matter (or so it seems).
Once she has enough experience enough she should be able to tell between good practices and shitty ones by herself.
079458 No.52073
>>52065>zeta maleOmega is the correct letter
5310ee No.52081
>>52046Well if that was the case the thread would be redundant beyond a couple of sentences.
Do you think she's some airhead that would figure "well this doesn't look right but I guess its just how it's meant to be" if something about her seems off after doing something to change herself?
People concerned about their health and fitness are often confused and have an overwhelming amount of things to consider, and most certainly, having friends who are knowledgable about the subject is more helpful, but places like /fit/ have still lone helped lots of people. You don't know if she has appropriate circumstances for making new friends or if she would consider it to be worth it for this.
People just read things, and yes, people are capable of thinking about the appropriacy of things. Who doesn't know to take everything on an anonymous imageboard with a grain of salt?
5310ee No.52084
>>52065Humility and the acceptance to withdraw from pressure is important. People probably get really pushy with themselves for not doing something affirmitively and then they end up rushing into something stupid, maybe?
Well I dunno, I really don't get how a person can mess up badly so long as they aren't really silly. There are lots of silly people in the world, OP might not be one.
079458 No.52088
>>52084And OP probably wears a swimsuit under her clothes quite often anyway
fab97e No.52092
>>52088What's with you and swimsuits anon? You seem pretty into that.
c8fc0d No.52093
bd07e2 No.52095
>>52073These niggas tried to hook up with her and blankly suggest shit they don't know about, so I gave them some credit.
It's pitiful regardless.
>>52081This topic ain't anywhere close to health and /fit/ness, which is something nigh objective. It leans a lot towards /fa/, it's a much more complicated topic that hardly interests men. People who gave suggestions here first tried to say her looks didn't matter and that they liked tomboys when it wasn't the opinion she asked for, explain me this fucking shit for interest.
You just spout the first thing that comes from your head like it's the truth and stand by it, it straight up gives me indigestion. You directly imply you might say something stupid but you don't want to take responsibility for so because "people need to take things here with a grain of salt". Heck, she almost got convinced purposely wearing swimsuits underneath her clothes would be a feminine thing to do.
There are things you don't know and can't opine against, and asking for stuff like this here clearly shows the OP doesn't know about this topic which doesn't give them ANY critical thinking on the matter.
fab97e No.52098
>>52095I wasn't going to wear a swimsuit under my clothes! I just mentioned how often I go swimming but I wouldn't do that. Just because I don't know like…anything about this stuff doesn't mean I'm dense. The only advice I'm taking is the stuff about trying to make some friends and get my confidence up. And maybe the hair thing.
bd07e2 No.52102
>>52098>>52095I said almost, and I did say you were innocently ignorant.
The only helpful advice that was given here was the social interaction one, which you should work on before moving onto the others. If you want to try again here one day, post a picture of yourself.
3a1163 No.52106
>>52098It will be easier to make friends who already have the same hobbies are you do, so try talking to other people at the pool often.
Once you made one or two friends you will get to know their friends as well, so if you still want to do some girly stuff talk to the girly girls in that group.
5310ee No.52107
>>52095They're both quite complicated but this topic is just broader in its full length.
Well people giving their thoughts on how being a tomboy shoudn't be changed isn't useful at all since she would just decide that for herself yeah, but people just freely give their thoughts anyway no matter what it is.
Who the heck is responsible for what people say on here? Should people be issued licenses to prove their intuitivity on an imageboard? No really, people DO have to be worried about bad opinions and trickery on an anonymous imageboard. If it's a concern then being on an imageboard at all is a concern. Well, that's what a lot of mainstream audiences think of halfchan and the likes, they think places like this are terrible.
>Heck, she almost got convinced purposely wearing swimsuits underneath her clothes would be a feminine thing to do.What world do you live in??? The person who posted that wasn't serious and niether OP nor anyone thought otherwise. It was a joke!
Well there's Tomoko who has very very blatantly poor logic in everything she ever does that goes beyond any real-life introverted shut-in. And also there's silly children with security issues and disorientated senses because of social networks who you might see who post themselves on your Facebook or something after doing something really silly to themselves. But generally people aren't necessarily disillusioned airheads.
5310ee No.52110
>>52106Also absolutely about this, friends who can help in the matter would be generally quite a lot more worthwhile than a place like this, but it's still of value and I think she has certainly still taken only the appropriate things from the thread because she's not dumb.
079458 No.52116
>>52092It was poorly explained
I just associate wearing a swimsuit under one's clothes with girls, as opposed to men who will just wear their swimsuit as shorts when going to the pool
Then the Brazilian seemed to think I was jerking off to the idea of girls wearing bathing suits under their clothes so I went with it like it was a joke
a02e84 No.52169
>>52046>>52046Having mentioned manipedis and yoga pants and when mentioned tips for communication I resent that generalization
>>52095Nigga I am just bored and wanted to talk to someone that wasn't a dude, it's good practice, also I live for discussion on social skills
c0d14f No.52207
>>51817Fuck off beta.
Stop telling them what you think they want to hear. No one is giving you white knight points. No one is impressed. You are shitting up the board, and your gender by association.
c0d14f No.52213
>>51892>>51887Beta detected.
Please kill yourself. This girl doesn't know you. She will never know you. Stop telling her how much you find masculinity attractive in women. You sound like enough of a sissy as is by seeking to prop up a strangers ego to validate yourself.
fbd1a1 No.52217
>>52046To be honest I could give my honest opinion, which I did in
>>51944 (also no dubs where checked, sad times).
But I could also help with the femininity as well. I mean, it isn't THAT hard if you think about it. Small changes like googling womens make up techniques, reading stuff online about how to do your hair well to suit your body/style etc. and generally just reading more effeminate stuff in order to sway your appearance that way.
The next step would be to look up clothes that you think are "cute" or more feminine for you and try find style advisors and stuff like that. In reality, ∞chan probably wasn't the best place to ask haha
08c5e9 No.52221
>>51816DON'T DO EET!!
If it's not you being yourself don't do it.
You're very rare and you should celebrate that. There's nothing wrong with getting along with guys better than girls. In fact, most girls, though they'll never admit it, will envy the crap out of you for it.
3233a1 No.52261
>>52207>>52213>calling out people as beta for stating a preference for girls that are not whiny bitches abc30b No.52411
>>51932OP, you're a good girl.
b882ad No.52451
>>52261>stating a preference for girls thatCo-opting /fem/ as your personal tinder is pretty fucking beta. Not worth greentexting the obvious, shithead.
3233a1 No.52462
>>52451herp derp stating a preference != trying to fuck women online
b882ad No.52496
>>52462>using != wrongA preference that is
this irrelevant to both /fem/ and to this thread specifically is still closer to tinder than it is to
not being an obnoxious faggot. You're in the wrong place, defending the wrong people.
829e84 No.52514
>>51816> I don't wear skirts or paint my nails or know anything about make up and my hair is just brushed and kept long with no real style to itPERFECT, I FUCKING LOVE GIRLS LIKE THAT.
What the fuck is wrong with you? Why do you even want to change? Not being a boring cutesy gurrl is not a bad thing. You do realize there are tons of men out there who like tomboyish girls who are willing to do "boy stuff" with them, right?
5310ee No.52520
>>52514Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
You idiot. Shut up. Ugh. Don't just assume that she felt like she would gain more adequacy in the eyes of males if she became more feminine. Why are people constantly assuming this?
Why are you guys constantly coming here and telling her not to bother with being more feminine just because you personally think she is better off not bothering?
She felt genuinely interested in this subject and it wasn't because of a petty predisposition about the way she would be percieved by males.
829e84 No.52534
>>52207I fail to see how his post represents white knighting or how he's wrong for stating his opinion, which I happen to share.
Either way, OP said her interest wasn't to attract male attention. Though being feminine isn't going to make you any more interesting to people other than absolute megadudebros or horny teenagers.
To OP: Don't take me for a SJW, but not fulfilling a gender role isn't wrong. Everyone suggests finding friends who can give you feedback on your "self-improvement", however, your dislike (or apathy) towards "feminine" topics is very likely to make it hard for you. It's hard to click with people you don't share interests with, save for normies. You're also making life purposefully harder for no special reason.
There's a whole world of difference between self-improvement and putting up a facade to forcefully fit in. The latter will hurt you and make you feel miserable. "b urself XD" is not to be taken literally. Look harder and ask yourself why you want to change. Femininity, as you put it, is an utter waste of time.
Try to attend local events where you might meet people who share your true interests, not the shallow ones you're trying to pick up like painting your nails and drooling over soap operas.
This might be redundant advice, but get into competitive swimming, and if possible, into team competitive swimming. This is a great way of improving your social skills since interaction is pretty much necessary and there's already a common topic to ease off the initial friction between a bunch of absolute strangers staying in the same place.
079458 No.52611
>>52496>>52520>>52514Blame girls for that
People should be stating their genders before giving their perspective on femininity and what is feminine
Men base their perspectives on femininity on what is attractive to them in girls and women base it on what they find admirable in other women, creating a gender divide
5b4bb5 No.52614
>>52520Honest question:
If you are not trying to attract men, why would you want to act girly? I don't understand how that would make you any happier or make your life any easier. I'm a massive faggot by men's standards (25yo virgin, autistic hobbies, only one close friend) and I've got a nice life I can't complain about.
d2eab1 No.52619
This started out an OK advice request thread
And then faggots fagged it up
Fucking faggots derailing threads
079458 No.52621
>>52614Anon this is a board for chicks
Maybe a girl just wants to feel like she's being a girl, in the same way you feel boyish when imitating Conan the barbarian
5310ee No.52622
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>>52614Cus it feel gud like maraques
If you look at people into fashion you will notice it's sort of like a hobbie like collecting things rather than just excelling your mate finding abilities
079458 No.52624
>>52622All hobbies are like that
It's just when people obviously don't care that people get pissed
Most men don't have to care about fashion to get women's attention
But there are a number of women who don't really care about vidya who do it to make men want them
So there's that
fab97e No.52625
>>52614I'm probably going to just delete this thread since I don't think I'm going to get the answers I wanted anyway.
The reason I wanted to try and be more feminine, not act it, is because all I've done through my childhood and teenage years is basically just assume it was stupid and weak and I basically completely shunned the idea of it. I wanted to see what it was like, I wanted to see if it would improve my confidence or my outlook on life, I wanted to see if maybe I could feel better about myself and maybe make some friends or something. I wanted to give myself another perspective on things that I don't understand right now. I don't know how to wear anything but jeans and a shirt with a hoodie, I don't have the slightest idea of how to do make up, and my nails are bitten down because I have a stupid habit and no reason to look after them. I just wanted to *try* because I wanted to see what it's like and if maybe I'd be able to care about myself more. It's not like I'd suddenly stop playing video games or I'd stop knowing how to talk to guys or that I'd change drastically. If I end up not liking it I can just go back to how I am now and maybe keep the things I did enjoy in mind.
I didn't want people telling me coming in saying that I don't need to change who I am for guys because this isn't about guys in the slightest.
d2eab1 No.52630
>>52621You don't feel boyish when you play conan
You feel MANLY
>>52625I hate to come off overbearing, but did you completely forget all that shit we talked about yesterday?
fab97e No.52633
>>52630Which shit exactly? Your ID isn't the same as earlier in the thread so I dunno what it is you said.
d2eab1 No.52634
>>52630>>52633Yeah phone IDs change over time
I mentioned manipedis which are great because everyone enjoys getting pampered and also short smooth nails are great for self service
Yoga pants because a lot of chicks are into that and it shows off the butt without showing skin
And all that shit about social skills and confidence
fab97e No.52638
>>52634Yeah, those were actually fine. But most of the other bits of advice or the people just telling me to not change didn't really help.
5b4bb5 No.52639
>>52625Sorry to hear about that. That's kind of expected from asking on a board where at least 60% male posters though.
You didn't ask for my opinion, this is not my blog and I don't expect you to change your mind based on it, but I've also shunned the whole manly stereotype because I was born with a frail body and being a jock isn't what I'd call the most appealing idea. As of now, I don't see any reason to follow the manly man stereotype and I doubt I'll ever change my mind.
You shouldn't worry that much about the way you go about it though. I don't think the girly girls out there were born with a Girl's Guide to be Girly. Try painting your nails just for the hell of it like most girls back at middle school would do. If you want them to look good, get them done at a salon and keep practicing at home. Same goes for your hair or your makeup. Just keep in mind there is no fixed method for being girly and that getting good at it comes progressively and with tons of practice and picking up social cues, the same way some innocent and playful boys turn into football-loving dudebros in matter of years.
Sorry if I'm not of much help, I simply don't understand why you would try to do that. I'm not saying you're doing something wrong, but personally I wouldn't try to become a dudebro without having a damn good reason for it.
In any case, don't rush things.
5b4bb5 No.52641
>>52621I don't know about any Conan the barbarian and I don't think I've ever tried to act "boyish" since it would be out of character for me.
d2eab1 No.52643
>>52638Personally I found them counter productive to the goal of the thread which was just asking for some basic advice with context as to why
Seemed like a bunch of thirsty motherfuckers to me and made me want to apologize for my gender like some sort of white knight
I'm more bothered by that compulsion than anything else
fab97e No.52644
>>52639But I don't want to be a girly girl. That isn't the point. Being feminine and being like some sort of Barbie doll are different. I don't want to do some sort of drastic huge change to my entire personality and way of thinking. I just want to try things out. You seem to believe I want to shun my lifestyle and conform to a stereotype but it's not like that at all.
d2eab1 No.52649
>>52644Nice dubbs
Also maybe add perfume to the list of suggestions
Probably something sweet or flowery That isn't too overpowering
Feminine stuff is not one of my strong points
5b4bb5 No.52652
>>52644Sorry for the misunderstanding.
My answer is still the same: don't rush things, there's no fixed method for trying new things out. Progressively getting out of your comfort zone is not a bad thing. Forcing yourself to do things you don't want *is* not okay though.
I don't have much else to say. Good luck.
49c451 No.52656
>>52625I can only give as much advice as a big bro can but from what I know and see there are a few reasons to visualy change yourself, some of them are selfimprovement
you want to look better, for you or for others, wanting to experiment
you are curious simple as that, social pressure, you enjoy the process
muh massage :3, you like the surrounding atmosphere and as a hobby.
Now before you start with all this you should be sure that there is something you would
for any of the above reasons change and if yes, what would it be?
Really tired, sorry for any glitchy sentences 48feb7 No.52758
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>>52644been meaning to post some tutorial vids
You don't have to memorize this because this stuff is never 100% but it will give you some ideas if you glance it once or twice
48feb7 No.52759
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>>52758here is another one
you should really look for a few of these yourself to find one that works for you so you can get a good idea
48feb7 No.52760
48feb7 No.52761
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this one is useful too
7e2621 No.54441
Hey OP I'm not sure if you're still here bt I saw this today and it made me giggle and think of this thread.
133c87 No.54496
>>52207>implying tomgirls arent cutethe first girl i ever thought was hot irl was a dyke