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9643e3 No.57455

Why should a trans person be called a woman, even though they will never have a period or go through child birth?

967b07 No.57464

>why should a woman with cervical cancer or infertility be called a woman even though they will never have a period or go through child birth

check m8 atheists

f5af72 No.57467

>why should a woman who is not barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen be called a woman

9f1ec0 No.57468

>Why are we still alive?

b51927 No.57472

There's really only one realistic answer to this, although it's mean

If you're a tranny, and you PASS well as a woman, you'll be called a woman

If you're a tranny, and you don't pass well as a woman, you'll be called a tranny faggot

End of story pretty much, just the way it is

2dc438 No.57490

Chromosome test would be the best way to identify your sex. Anyone with a Y chromosome would be classed as a male regardless of what mutilation you do to your body.

242abf No.57518

Sex is your physical genitalia.

I will give you that there are more than two genders-but there's only 3 total;
Masculine, Feminine, and Androgynous.

Gender is not an indicator for you physical being-nor is it for you to decide other than through social acts and the way you dress really.
Gender is the social reflection of both your sex and personality.
One can be feminine male, masculine male, feminine female, masculine female, androgynous male, androgynous female.

There are no other sexes. If you fall into a category such as masculine female or feminine male, this does not mean you were born in the wrong body, but that you have feminine traits in your appearance.
In today's definition, it would possibly include the social aspects of appearance, but it mostly refers to physical appearance.

242abf No.57519

>>57518
>but that you have feminine traits in your appearance.

I mean you have some of the opposite sexes traits.

7e058b No.57524

I'm gonna make everyone really angry saying this but it actually irks me that society is cool with men cutting off their dicks, putting on a dress, and claiming they are women

I don't envy that kind of position but I also think that cutting off your genitals because you feel like you have the wrong body or believing that being a girl amounts to feeling girly and wearing dresses is unhealthy. Pretty sure that's it's own really unique experience

/incredibly unpopular opinion

41746b No.57526

>>57518
Sex and gender are two different things? Go back to tumblr with this diseased SJW bullshit.

If gender is separate from sex and is socially conditioned into you, then how is it possible for someone to even feel as if they're the wrong gender in the first place? Wouldn't you be cool with whatever you were socially conditioned to be as from birth?

Do some independent research instead of just parroting what you hear other assholes say on the net or in uni. You can start with: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

The Reimer case is especially tragic. A botched circumcision that destroyed the boy's penis led to the parents being coerced into raising Reimer as a female. Reimer was fully socially conditioned from day one to be a girl, but instinctively began to reject it by age 8. By 14 he was living as a male, and then eventually committed suicide in his 30s. Dr John Money has since later in life gone on to retract his whole thesis that gender and sex are separate, but that was decades later after the damage had been done. Trannies are now a big business, and doctors have a financial incentive to give people hormones and expensive surgery. I believe gender dysphoria is a real thing, but the person suffering from it is still and always will be their birth gender. They require therapy and medication to manage their delusions and intrusive thoughts just like schizophrenics, not for society to bend to their delusions.

242abf No.57529

>>57526
I'm not SJW, or Tumblr, or any of those things.

>then how is it possible for someone to even feel as if they're the wrong gender in the first place?

It's not gender they think is wrong but their sex.

>Wouldn't you be cool with whatever you were socially conditioned to be as from birth?

As I said, you don't get to choose what Gender you are except through how you express your sexuality.
And by that I mean whether or not you dress/act masculine or feminine.

Trans fall into the Andro territory because they are neither male nor female since they deny their genetic nature from the very beginning.
Genetic defects tend to fall into this category as well due to inhibiting development of genitals or general defining traits of gender in the first place (masculine traits are high defined cheek bones, the flip side is soft rounded cheeks-andro is a combination of the two since it gives neither a strong feminine or masculine attraction).

f8e971 No.57533

>>57529
>Trans fall into the Andro territory because they are neither male nor female since they deny their genetic nature from the very beginning.

It's not up to them to deny what they biologically are. I don't have anything against traps, especially since they're passable and I'm a bit of a weird cunt; and who knows, maybe it's better for the passable ones to be 'women' if it makes them happy, why not? This sort of thing could have been practiced for centuries without hormones just because of their genetical and social nature of looking and acting feminine. I know if I had a country of my own I'd outlaw transexuals just for the sake of moral decency, but that's where my judgement is at heart.

Flat-out men wearing high heels and dresses is just disgusting and delusional, they don't know what it's like to be a female and over-do it when they attempt to be one. They need psychiatric help and lower influences in society, it's sick and disgusting that this type of degeneracy is being pushed by doctors making money off these poor souls.

I don't care how you rationalise it, it's wrong and indecent.

41746b No.57536

>>57529
Gender and sex are not separate things. Most languages don't even have two words for it. English only has it because gender originally was used in grammatical contexts, while sex was specifically for living things.

Read the links I provided. The doctor who originally came up with the theory has since retracted it and says it's wrong. He falsified data while he was monitoring the Reimer case, published his results, and the medical community took it and ran with it. He failed to mention how Reimer was rejecting being socially conditioned from birth to be a girl by age 8. This shit didn't come to light until decades later and by then the tranny industry had taken off largely thanks to his falsified data.

So yeah, gender and sex are the same thing. They're synonyms. You're born either a male or female and that's it. Your personality may lean towards masculine or feminine tendencies, but just because a chick is a tomboy doesn't mean she can call herself male. Likewise if a dude enjoys feminine things doesn't make him a woman in anyway. We used to just call these people faggots. Some dudes also have a fetish known as autogynephilia, where the thought of them being in a woman's body turns them on.

I'm willing to concede that a condition known as gender dysphoria exists wherein a person suffers from a mental delusion that makes them think they're in the wrong body. However, such cases are extremely rare, and should be treated with therapy and meds, not hormones, self-mutilation, and crossdressing.

4648a6 No.57581

>>57455
A surgically mutilated drugged up on female hormones male is still a surgically mutilated drugged up female hormones male.

8dc61f No.57583

>>57472
But it doesn't have to be.

as much as i hate SJW zellotry, the more moderate individuals have a nice idea that someone can and should be able to be what ever they want.

biology isn't perfect and the phenomenon of being transgender has biological evidence. More is bound to come up if we look deeper.

if there's sound evidence, i have no choice but to believe it.

8dc61f No.57584

>>57536
this just doesn't seem to cover all the bases.

sure if the doctor retracted it, BUT what about the other pieces of evidence that seem to support the theory. Even then why not let them be as masculine or as feminine as they wish, even with surgery?

What if we're wrong. i hate SJWs but if the the scientific community is finding good evidence to support it then we have no choice.

b51927 No.57605

>>57583

Nope that's pretty much the way it has to be.

Humans aren't blank slates. No matter HOW HARD YOU TRY, you are never going to get people to refer to someone who does not look like a woman as a woman. And the more you try to pretend you can, the more obnoxious and totalitarian your ideology becomes.

Some trannies are lucky enough to be born with the body structure to pass as the opposite sex. Some are not so fortunate, and until technology improves, will not pass. That is their unfortunate lot in life, and you cannot rewrite human nature to their benefit. It simply cannot be done.

1886cf No.58735

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>>57584
Sorry, but there is no evidence to support the theory. Anything that claims to support it is pseudo-science critical theory garbage that has zero basis in reality. If it cites any sources, it is pulled from an incestuous clique of like-minded colleagues in academia who have an agenda to push.
In other words, what happens in academia today is: say you're an SJW in uni and you publish a theory (with no hard data, since you're likely using critical theory or queer theory or some other make-belief horseshit) that "gender doesn't exist" or whatever. Now your SJW journalist friend writes an article about "studies from Fag University say gender doesn't exist!" that references your paper. Then another SJW academic comes along and cites that news article as a source of information. Then another SJW publishes another thesis. Then there's another news article. And so on and so on. You can follow the paper trail of bullshit if you're dedicated enough. I'll save you the time: the David Reimer case, with its falsified data, was at the root of it all wrt to tranny bullshit.

Contrary to what critical theory would love to suggest, biology is not subjective and open to interpretation. It is a hard science that is rooted in hard scientific data and observation. You're born either male or female, period. And there is absolutely nothing to support the theory that gender and sex are two different things since the original source of this data was falsified, and all other papers that reference it have a lie at their foundation. This isn't up for debate any more than whether or not the planet is spherical.


Here's more info to digest:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change

>the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people

If this isn't the nail in the coffin that current treatments for gender dysphoria is misguided then idk what is. There's also tons of formerly trans folk who revert back to their original sex.

A lot of this misery can be prevented if we as a society stop indulging in people's mental delusions, and instead give these people the proper help that they need.


Oh, and pic related is the type of complete garbage you see critical/queer/feminist theory and SJW academics ramble on about. Yes, you read that right: e=mc^2 is sexist. Energy being equal to mass times the speed of light is sexist straight white cis male patriarchy because reality dictates nothing can go faster than light speed. Somehow photons of light moving through spacetime are cognizant of the gender politics of an isolated planet that has only had sentient life in 10,000 years of the 13 billion years of the universe's existence. This is the level of degeneracy we're dealing with. These are the types of folks that push their tranny faggotry on society.

928012 No.58758

>>57464

THEY SHOULDN'T

9d925c No.58794

Just to put in my two cents, I've always seen gender transitioning as an escape from primary dysmenorrhea, I plan on transitioning later this year, going on long term testosterone injections also stops menstruation in general. I have lived as a male for most of my life, but I will never expect anyone to refer to me with any specific pronouns, live how you wish and so shall I. :)

da3d41 No.58830

>>58735
Just wanted to clarify something as a dirty frenchy.
Irigaray is a nobody that was actually a Belgian woman and that taught in french colleges for four years until she got laid off.
Her "E=Mc² is a gendered equation" bullshit is just retarded, but it's merely because she was too dumb to merely signify something way less ridiculous. She just wasn't smart enough to express it right.

Sorry, I'm being autistic about France.

f112a7 No.58840

No one person has a monopoly on what womanhood is. The humans with vaginas that are alive today would unanimously be considered women yet each as individuals are as diverse in character, physicality, understanding, and drive that the idea that womanhood is any one static idea is absurd. To say that a person who does not possess the physical expectations that society sets forth as "female" is to judge them on one aspect of an incredibly complex and personal identity. Anyone who claims to have an absolute definition of what a woman is or should be is hilarious and to say that another person's conception or definition is wrong is narrow-minded and naive.

People can hash out the fine points of their personal definitions but what it comes down to is that it doesn't matter how any one person defines a woman, or a man for that matter.

When you call a transperson by their desired gender, you're showing them respect as a fellow human being capable of thought, feeling, and conviction. It doesn't matter if you agree with what they do or how they present themselves just as it doesn't matter if they agree with you. What matters is that tiny bit of implied respect in the form of a few different words. They aren't asking for a red carpet and your first born child, just that you acknowledge their right to define themselves as an individual.

185baf No.58864

>>58735
>the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people
But that is compared to regular non-trans people, not trans who haven't had the surgery. Trans have one of the highest suicide rates anyway so the comparison isn't a fair one.

Plus the David Reimer case was about how gender identity is taught during childhood, the fact that it failed horribly is more evidence that transsexuality is a legit condition, as trans people can not just be made to feel trans or dysphoria.

But even if we discard that line of thought for one reason or another, I find it weird that people don't seem to consider the idea that a fetus could develop as the wrong sex, considering we're female as a default and especially when there are so many more bizarre cases that come from child birth.

185baf No.58867

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>>58864
I should add that getting "big money" out of trans patients only works when money is directly paid into a healthcare system for the drug prescriptions and such.
Why would a universal healthcare system take this route, even going as far to offer surgeries through them when 'apparently' therapy would just be better and cheaper?


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