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No.81868
The vegan revolution is here. Jan 1st Go Vegan.
You will thank yourself later /fit/
No.81878
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>>81868
Seriously, fuck this guy and fuck him hard!
He did squats at 330 lbs, five reps, but didn't go remotely parallel. I'd put his real 1RM about 10 to 20 lbs higher. Let's say 360 lbs, to be very nice.
Bench press was 6 reps at 300 lbs or so. Extremely shitty form, but I think him flaring his elbows out and having a vertical bar path makes it hard enough to negate his advantage from lifting his stupid fucking ass off the bench. So let's say he can do 330 lbs.
He tried to deadlift 330 lbs and failed. Let's assume he could pull it off no pun intended.
That puts him at a total of 1020 lbs. That's definitely something to brag with when you're out with your friends in a bar, but for the standards of the lifting-population, it's pretty damn mediocre. Especially his deadlift; any fat kid can achieve that within a year, and I don't admire people because they've got six months worth of progress over me.
>B-but he's training for aesthetics, not strength!
He's showing himself deadlifting, so he's bragging about his strength, too, and that means he's fair game in that regard. But let's assume he didn't show his strength off to incite the "Vegan Revolution", that he just did that with his physique. Then he's STILL a mediocre piece of fuck. He has no V-tape to speak off, his legs are shit, and he's too small overall. I don't give a fuck if girls are into that, he's already got their 'mires and doesn't need mine.
So all in all, he's the definition of "mediocre". I wouldn't care if he was humble. I'd tell him he did a good job if I met him at the gym. Thing is, he's acting like he's at the peak of his sport, and he isn't. You want to put yourself above me, be good at what you do. If you're not, get the fuck out of my way so I can give my 'mires to people who actually deserve it.
Yeah, I kinda mad. Someone gas this stupid cunt.
No.81879
>>81868
While I like the nutritional benefit of the vegan diet, I cannot really understand why they are all such feminine pansies and/or sociopaths.
Only vegan I respect is Baboumian.
No.81881
Get fucked, autism shill.
Vegans are plague on society.
No.81883
>>81879
>Only vegan I respect is Baboumian.
I respect his lifts, but he's still a PETA-shill. Making ads for a dog-murdering bunch of sociopaths? Hardly a paragon of character gains.
No.81884
>>81879
They were the original SJW's.
No.81895
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jesus that music
would have been much better with some Handel
but i doubt this guy is natty
No.81897
No.81900
seriously why do you have to convert people. why does everyone immediately run off to recruit people to things they enjoy. lifters do it too. cant anyone just enjoy themselves without proselytizing?
No.81901
>>81895
If you can't deadlift 4pl8 on roids, you have failed at life, disgraced your family and should be banished from society.
No.81910
I have a serious doubt about any scientific study that can be used as an argument for an ideology. They can be true, but who knows? Weren't black people inherently submissive, so it was ok to enslave them?
Same principles apply to the studies that vegan gains present in his channel. Some studies he presented have been proven to be out dated and false. His channel isn't just about fitness and diet, he has an ideology and he's going to present arguments to defend it.
We can no longer rely on science because it can be corrupted by an ideology. We have been eating meat for most of our existence as a specie, and we were fine. In my opinion, it's not meat and animal products that are causing heart attacks, refined sugar, processed vegetal oils… That's what is causing them.
No.81921
>>81900
Because deep down inside they know they're wrong. They're depressed, whiny, irritable, and weak.
If you get rid of everybody who reminds you how wrong you are, or make them be wrong, too… then it's easier to think you're right. Everybody has to drink the kool aid, it's cult behavior 101.
No.81925
>>81878
>go vegan, count macros, get proteins
>wash it down with a gallon of tren
>end up like any other intermediate lifter after 2 years
All they really can show is that they can succeed in spite of their bizarre and unnatural diet. It's not a great sell.
No.81927
>mfw reading the thread while eating delicious Cornish hen
No.81928
>>81927
decent tier, but I've always preferred regular chicken if I'm eating a bird
or goose, but that's because I hate every one of those bastards with a passion
No.82011
No.82014
>>82011
So, you cleaned your room, right? When I see you eating on the computer I can't stop thinking about food sticking on the keyboard. Also, your gf is a 9/10, would definitely bang.
No.82015
No.82045
>>81879
>nutritional benefits
what is b12 vitamins? (muh vitamins: why the fuck do you need vitamins on a good diet?)
what is omega 3? (please dont say flax seed like its still pre 2010)
No.82056
No.82068
>>82056
Raw meat is the shit. Gimmie some steak tartar and I'm a happy fucking camper.
No.82101
>>82045
B12 is easily supplemented, cattle takes those supplements as well so no issue there. And flax seed is a legit source of omega 3. Personally I don't eat exclusively vegan as I think its stupid not to be an omnivore.
No.82135
Throw the vegan down the well,
So my people can be free.
Throw the vegan down the well,
And we will have a big party!
No.82554
>>81868
Literal Jewish propaganda to keep you low test and feminized you cuck.
No.82569
>>82135
If you see the vegan coming
You must not tell him you eat beef
He will get really whiny
And I'll tell you what to do
No.82625
> drinking milk
> eating meat
> completely ignoring the mountain of scientific literature that proves it's unhealthy and destructive to humans.
But go ahead and be good goys and "get your calcium and protein!" because there's non of that in plant based foods….
No.82626
>>82625
Dude, are you shitting me? The government has wasted millions on telling us that red meat was unhealthy. If you love liberty, you kill a fucking cow. It's that simple.
No.82630
>>82625
You will probably die from environmental toxins before food.
No.82649
>>82625
IDGAF about science, nerds, or the products of science and nerds. I've had the privilege of being a red-blooded American with farming relatives who would snap you in half like the bitch you are because of their lives spent sucking down unpasteurized cow tit juice and steaks. If milk and meat are destructive to humans, it's because they make you leave humanity behind.
No.82655
>>82625
Are you completely retarded?
>>82649
> it's because they make you leave humanity behind.
lol
No.82669
>>82569
Throw the vegan down the well,
So my country can be free.
You must grab him by his pussy,
Then we will have a big party.
No.82671
>>82649
>If milk and meat are destructive to humans, it's because they make you leave humanity behind.
No.82741
>>82101
The hell you need supplements for if the diets supposed to be so good?
No.82742
>>82741
thats the biggest vegan fail
>muh diet is super natural and healthy, is what humans are designed to eat!!!!!
>(also 2 B12 pills a day, or else I die of malnutrition, totally natural)
No.85110
i was on the train yesterday listening to this fat tumblerina (tats/short died hair/fat/problem glasses - the whole nine yards) talk about how she was vegan
bitch how can you weigh 120kg and be vegan?
No.85121
>>85110
most "vegans" aren't actually. I once knew a 300 lb man who claimed to be a vegan, but also said that it was ok to eat donuts
No.85123
>>85121
they only look at the primary ingredient, not the entire list.
>oh donuts are okay, they're made of flour.
No.85126
>>85121
>>85123
Water, flour, sugar, baking powder. Fried in vegetable oil.
That's 100% vegan. Well, maybe not the sugar. Some vegans get all uppity if they find out their brand of sugar uses charred beef bones to filter the sugar through.
No.85132
>>85126
eggs and milk in many donuts too
IDK if vegans give a shit about milk but eggs they probably do, because they think unfertilized eggs could have been babies or some shit.
No.85144
>>85132
They care about milk and eggs because they come from animals, and they believe that animal foods are inherently bad. They have nothing legitimate to back it up. I've gone round and round with them here on /fit/ many times.
No.85225
Meanwhile on /fit/…
Meat tards argue with every single known cardiologist and physiogist (who isn't an animal agriculture shill) and claim that eating meat and dairy is "healthy".
When you open your eyes and do the research the only thing you will regret is not going vegan sooner.
No.85230
>>85225
That was beautiful, my vegan-comrade! Just because we're all like 100 pounds and suffering from malnutrition does not mean we're not as healthy as these beefy, juicy corpse-eaters. Government-paid doctors agree with us.
No.85234
>>85225
green goblin pls go
No.85242
Veganism is more sustainable though
No.85361
So I've been vegan for 3 months now and I'm really liking it.
>inb4 faggot vegan
I'm not doing for ethics or morals, purely health reasons. I don't support the animal industry, but if humans were actually made to eat meat I would be eating a steak with a glass of milk, which happens to be my favourite beverage, right now. So far I've noticed I have more energy, my recovery times are slightly shorter and I seem to be gaining muscle/getting stronger and losing fat at the same time. So far No one knows, and I certainly don't plan on telling them because i don't want the people at my gym to think I'm a leftist art-college fag. Also to note, The main thing people don't understand about veganism is it's not healthy unless you're eating natural and unprocessed foods. If you're not eating whole foods, and rather buying stupid fucking pre made overpriced garbage meals from your local whole foods, you might as well not be vegan. Keep it whole and inexpensive. And for any other vegans who aren't complete faggots (a minority, I know), don't worry about these guys hating on you, they're most likely the same people who think cardio will kill your gainz.
>>82741
>>82742
Vitamin b12 is produced by bacteria, so before farming and purified water was a thing you would get it from veggies that grow in the
ground and in drinking water. But in current days we thoroughly wash our veggies and treat our water, so we need to supplement our b12. Still no big deal. If you were to grow your own carrots or some shit and wash them lightly you'd never have to take b12.
>>85225
this
>>82671
People will rail vegans for eating soy because they "claim" phyto-estrogens will fuck up your test levels, but the truth is phyto-estrogens don't effect your hormone levels as it's not the same as the shit in your body. The irony is milk is actually chalked full of real, test lowering, gyno causing estrogen that does interfere with your hormones. Also it's super inflammatory. I'm 90% sure even red meats are better than milk.
Also, ignore vegan gains. He makes some good points, but he's a fucking lunatic so it's hard to take him seriously. Try Cory McCarthy instead.
No.85367
>>85361
>if humans were actually made to eat meat
WE WERE
IT'S WHY WE HAVE CANINES (SHARP TEETH) AND WE'RE CAPABLE OF DIGESTING MEAT. IF WE WEREN'T "MADE" TO EAT MEAT, WE WOULD GET ILL WHEN WE CONSUMED IT. GOD DAMN YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE STUPID.
No.85368
>>85361
That's actually a decent point, good job Canada. Also, I think most people here don't exactly hate on vegans, even if most of them aren't chill enough and a bunch of PETA faggots, it's a difficult task to adapt if you eat meat and animal products your whole life, it's easier to get your protein and some vitamins based on the culture tho, here in Brazil as an example, the majority of our diet is based on grains like beans and rice, animal products like eggs and milk, and some meat like chicken, even if it's somehow related to vegan based on a diet in a daily basis of grains and veggies, the general population isn't even closer to accept something like that. That's my opinion, at least where I live
No.85373
>>85368
That can be an issue, I will admit since making the switch I've had to more carefully look over the contents of my food, but really you should be doing that anyways. I still get roughly 100g of protein a day on a 2000cal diet without having to take any protein supplements or stupid any vegan meats. If you select foods with even 5g of protein per serving, by the end of the day it will really add up.
>>85367
It's never good to get information/evidence from sketchy informational images, but if I posted a link to a scholarly article I doubt anyone would read it so
>pic relate
No.85375
>>85373
is the frugivorous animal a chimp? if so, they eat meat too. also the difference between those carnivores and us that we already predigest the food before consumption by cooking or adding acids that breakdown the proteins
No.85478
>>85375
Not all primates are omnivorous, I'd assume the one on that image isn't. And as for your point on cooking meat as a method of pre-digestion, exactly what is that supposed to mean?
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No.85495
>>85132
>>85144
Vegans care that food/products don't require to exploited, and if that doesn't cause a shit diet in the process - great!
No.85520
>>85497
Right. Tell the doctor when you have cancer that you saw a picture of chimp eating meat, and that you are therefore a "carnivore" and your cancer will go away.
Every single health professional is vegan. The ones that aren't haven't done the research.
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No.85524
>>85520
>every single health professional is vegan
I'm gonna print this out on a 3x4 foot poster, frame it, and hang it on my wall with a little gold gallery plaque below it that says "dumbest statement uttered thus far on 8ch.net/fit/"
No.85525
>>85520
The longest living man on earth ate meat daily and drank heavily. Meat does not give you cancer. You say every single health professional is vegan, I guess you're excluding the vast majority of doctors, personal trainers, physical therapists, and nutritionists then. How can you tell me someone with a PhD 'hasn't done the research'? He has a PhD, do you have a PhD? Post pics.
No.85530
>>81879
The aren't vegan (vegetarians) but I respect the hodgetwins as well
No.85591
>>85520
Troll confirmed. My diet is 60% meat and I had my telomeres measured and my life expectancy is 115.
No.85596
>>85520
>Every single health professional is vegan. The ones that aren't haven't done the research.
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No.85597
Veganism is for faggots. Goodbye forever OP.
No.85620
>>85497
>>85525
>>85591
Jesus christ you guys are idiots. Unless it isn't clear to you fuckwits, one person is not a majority. My grandma lived to 99 years and she smoked and drank a lot every day. Does that make drinking and smoking good for you? Yes, people who eat meat can live long lives and vegans can die young. But I swear to god if one of you fucks thinks any of that constitutes as evidence you're just plain retarded. The average lifespan of a vegan will be longer, and the average vegan will be less prone to disease. This does not mean vegas are immortal or can't get cancer, but it WILL lower your risk. I'm not asking anyone to switch over or anything, but can you try to educate yourself. It's pathetic.
>>85497
Yes, because all primates eat the same diet, you fucking moron.
Not to mention, all the species from the genus homo (the things we evolved from) were not supposed to eat meat. If you look at it like this, the homo habilis was the last precursor to homo sapiens that were 100% vegan with the exception of some insects. After developing tools to hunt animals, that's what we began to eat. But the problem here is, we did not have enough time to adapt. I'm sure I'm not the first to admit meat seems like a more advantageous food source for more advanced lifeforms such as ourselves, as it is considerably dense in calories. But, just because it's more dense in calories, doesn't mean we should abandon the diet we have been eating for our entire existence. At that stage of human evolution we certainly weren't supposed to be eating meat, and if you think we can now you're a fool. Our bodies haven't had nearly enough time to change, I mean, you really expect such a tremendous change as an entire digestion system to switch overnight? Sure, maybe if humans keep eating meat for another few million years our bodies might adapt. But that's a few million years of early death and illness. So your fucking choice.
>>85480
That graph is so skewed and biased it's laughable. So according to that graph, humans can't live without animal protein. I can think of a few people who can disprove that, such as every vegan who ever lived. It also says that our stomach acid is strong, that's also considerably wrong. it is also wrong about the colon, and is so wrong they left out the intestines because they knew they couldn't extrapolate anything in their favour. Also the intestine length is blatantly wrong. So fuck you.
>>85367
This is so stupid I had to reply a second time. Any animal is an opportunistic omnivore. That means anything can eat meat OCCASIONALLY without getting sick. And please, read any study about cholesterol and heart disease (that isn't funded by egg companies, or meat eating in relation to disease and tell me what you think seems better. Oh right, you won't. Probably because it requires you to read and you're all practically allergic. So again fuck you.
Usually if I'm confronted with evidence that what I believe is wrong, I will read it over and maybe do some more research until I'm satisfied, then jump ship. But I'm so impressed with how reluctant you people are to even consider you might be wrong. I just don't understand how beings of sapience can be so reluctant to change for the better. it's just so incredible that you are all so close minded. Like, It's not like I was born vegan. I was a regular omnivor for the first 20 some years of my life. During that time I though veganism was the literal dumbest thing in the universe. All these toothpic-arm homosexuals with zero reason besides "the animals"! It wasn't until I was shown evidence on the health and environmental benefits that I had t abandon my diet. I don't get why so many of you are clinging to your ideologies like a life preserver in the middle of the ocean. It wasn't easy for me, but I can gladly say I made the right choice. You all should at least look into things before forming opinions.
No.85621
>>85620
>words
i'm too busy killing and eating things to read that shit
No.85625
>>85620
Post your stats faggot.
No.85626
>>85620
And then go retake biology and realize you're retarded. Stop making our country look bad or I'll hunt you down and make my huskies eat you for the precious protein
No.85627
>>85620
>not eating meat
Are you gay? It's okay if you're gay. Just say so.
It's not okay if you're gay. God hates fags.
No.85631
>>85620
>I'm right
>forget that I sourced exactly nothing to support my claims
No.85640
>>85627
This whole thread is one big coming out party for our homosexual friend, who is going to hell where he will be bummed with aubergines for eternity.
I know a vegan. He's a fat weak whining cunt who eats jam and sweets and is toxic to women.
No.85750
>>85620
If prehistoric homo sapiens *8or whatever you're referring too** were vegans, why did they bother develping hunting tools and strategies, to hunt animels that they shouldn't and couldn't eat? that's fucking retarded
You and vegans have some good points sometimes though.
No.85765
>>85620
>vegans will live longer
>vegans have a lower risk of cancer
>vegans are less prone to disease
>vegans have bigger penises and are also super fastest humans and strongest too
>'But I swear to god if one of you fucks thinks any of that constitutes as evidence you're just plain retarded'
Where is YOUR evidence? It seems like everything you say could replace the word 'vegan' with 'cuckold' and the argument could sound just as convincing. Here's another question for you vege-tard, I take it you've seen naked and afraid, or any other survival show on TV, their primary source of calories is meat, in fact, in most scenarios, scavenging for plant edibles stops being worth the calories they expend on it. If humans weren't 'made to eat meat' then explain to me how our ancestors survived before there was mass agriculture. You seem to forget, a vegan diet would not have been livable before the modern era where there is a massive abundance of veges available year round, yet you constantly claim that the vegan diet is 'natural' and 'we were made for it!'. This is obviously completely fucking wrong, just like everything you say, unless you're going to imply early man lived on snow during the winter months, and the small amount of edibles in the summer. Furthermore, why is it that you don't see species of herbivorous primates outside of jungle habitats, yet humanity is global, and has been since before recorded history. If humanity truly were herbivorous as you claim, then it wouldn't make sense that our civilizations could have spread so far unto the ends of the earth, especially in areas like the Americas, since there wouldn't have been enough vegetation to support more than a few grown adults. To add to this, its theorized that the reason we ever could develop such a high intelligence is due to the abundance of fatty clams our early ancestors had access too, fats that were not available (and still aren't) from non-meat sources.
TL;DR your fucking cult diet is stupid and you are too, stop spreading your pseudo-science nonsense on /fit/, we really don't fucking care, its the diet equivilent of crossfit
No.85767
>>81868
My god fuck off with your bullshit. Go shill your bullshit diet on 4chan.
No.85781
>>81868
The only legitimate reason to go vegetarian or vegan is that animal products are much more prone to collecting toxins and shit from the environment and food processing from being higher up on the food chain than plants, especially if they aren't organic.
That I will concede would be a wise choice to avoid or at least limit consuming animal products.
"Ethical" reasons however are irrational and stupid, being yet another example of the evils of moral relativism – plants are living, breathing creatures that feel pain, however it's okay to murder and consume them, but not animals which too are living, breathing creatures that feel pain? Why? Because you don't hear them scream when they die? Because they're different from yourself? unfortunate-implications.smug That bullshit runs too close to the SJWist "racism/sexism against blacks/women is terrible and must be stopped, but against whites/men the same 'terrible' thing is now is heroic!" thoughtless, poisonous cult mindset than is comfortable.
Plus I can't find (nor am I interested in finding so ram your suggestions back up your sickly, emaciated ass*) an easy and relatively cheap (that is, it's at the grocery store two blocks away) source of quality, complete protein that isn't from the animal kingdom other than processed soy, and I have enough problems being hormonally more girl than boy, trying to get rid of my man-tits, and keeping my blood pressure at normal levels (too much of my life spent consuming too much salt) thank you very much.
* By the way, all you harping on about "come look at this vegan/vegetarian bodybuilder! see?! it can be done!!" The exception that proves the rule. If it were the rule, it would not be exceptional. Also, howabout you also show us all those failing to be both vegan and strong/muscular/healthy, and compare those numbers to the averages of who succeed and those who fail at bodybuilding as meat-eaters?
Have an article deconstructing your logical fallacy that none of you special snowflake wiccan feminists will read: http://youarenotsosmart.com/2013/05/23/survivorship-bias
No.85782
>>85640
>I know a vegan. He's a fat weak whining cunt who eats jam and sweets and is toxic to women.
I knew a vegan. She was a fat weak whining cunt with tattoos, piercings other than her ears, always changing her hair color, eats <30g protein a day and 90% carbs (70% of which are simple) and <20g fats a day (making sure few to none of them are saturated), and is on disability for some sort of ass-pull mental/emotional "disorder".
Why knew/was? Because one day she decided to cut all ties to everyone who wasn't a vegan all because of some youtube with 100 "reasons" to go full retard vegan.
And nothing of value was lost.
No.85785
>>85782
Especially ironic (or perhaps not since such downs-syndrome-esque jackassery is very much expected) is how she'd always complain to everyone about how she hates being "judged" and how she hates being stared at in public (what she called "being judged") when she had bright purple and green hair with thick black-framed glasses and neon blue eye shadow and black lipstick and four eyebrow piercings and wearing clothes that'd only look good if she lost 50 lbs… the fuck do you expect, moron? People to NOT take notice of someone attention-whoring so obviously hard? And then getting pissed when you DO get attention? The fuck is wrong with you.
But as soon as she watched that video she spammed 20 paragraph rants about how she can't be friends with "evil" meat-eaters and so on and so forth. When even her close vegan friends pointed out that she was being a hypocrite she basically told them "I'm not judging anyone, I'm educating you ignorant savages and you won't listen to reason which is why I can't be around your toxic influence anymore!"
I'm sure she went full SJW since then.
No.85821
>>85620
Every thing you said is wrong. 98% of people who lived over 100 ate meat, and early hominids scavenged meat from prey left over by predators. Not to mention the cell walls of plants are made of cellulose, which has beta bonds that make it impossible to digest. When you eat plants you only absorb about .5-3% of it, the rest you just shit out because you can't digest it. What you need to do is cut out plants that don't contain nutrients that aren't found in meat and you live so much longer.
No.85832
>>85821
Also enjoy all of those metals and harmful compounds that plants take up from the soil.
No.85854
Trying to educate morons…pointless. Let Darwin do his thing.
No.85856
>>85620
Vegans are fucking hilarious.
No.85859
For anyone who actually cares… humans evolved to eat:
1. Vegetation during summer.
2. Fruit during fall.
3. Meat opportunistically (most during winter/spring).
We know this for a variety of reasons. For example, the fruit gorging mechanism during fall is mostly what got us through winter. We ate a shitton of fruit in fall, put on some weight, and that's how we survive the lowfood season.
This is why fructose (fruit sugar) is such a problem right now. Tasting fructose triggers a consumption instinct which is difficult to fight, when this was discovered food companies started putting fructose into everything.
If we weren't meant to eat meat, as >>85620 claims, we would have something similar to lactose intolerance if we ingested meat. That's what lactose intolerance is, by the way. The inability of the East Asian and African race to digest milk.
No.85863
>>85854
You need some self reflection, go look in the mirror and see darwin 'doing his thing' to your body you skeletal gains goblin vegan shill.
No.85946
>>85859
Nope. We only eat vegetation when there's nothing else to eat, or to supplement certain nutrients. As I sad before we can't digest cellulose, which is what plants are mostly made of. We also are very sensitive to metals like aluminum. Plants absorb shit tons of aluminum after the rain since it dissolves the aluminum in the soil. Trust me, cut down on green vegetables and you'll get less headaches and your IQ will go up by at least 5 points ; your concentration and memory will also improve greatly.
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No.86011
>>81878
>calls that physique "mediocre"
get off /fit/ for a while and go look at real people around you - you won't see a single one that looks nearly as good (unless you're in a gym). like it or not, that guy has an aesthetic physique
>criticizes a 300lb bench, which is bretty strong for a non-fat
>completely ignores the gallons of tren this guy used to get those cuts
yeah, fuck this guy, but your critique is misguided at best and delusional at worst
No.86014
>>86011
I can't remember criticizing his bench. That was one of his few good lifts.
>get off /fit/ for a while and go look at real people around you - you won't see a single one that looks nearly as good (unless you're in a gym). like it or not, that guy has an aesthetic physique
Again: He's acting like he was revolutionizing the sport. If I met him at a party and he told me about his lifts, I'd be 'mirin. But if he sets himself up as a God among mortals, then I'll rightly compare him to the hundreds of bodybuilders who are bigger, more aesthetic AND stronger than him. And compared to them, he loses.
No.86051
It doesn't matter what humans evolved to eat.
We're at a point where we can eat whatever we want and be healthy, so you need to argue what should be eaten based on other factors.
No.86748
>>86014
>I'll rightly compare him to the hundreds of bodybuilders
>rightly
Not if he's natty. Slim chance with these fitness model / youtuber types, just saying.
No.86766
>>86748
Skorbut is also natty and looks much more impressive. And Ricardo Pirineos is also natty and vegan, and he's swole as fuck. WHATEVER IT TAKES
No.86801
You can be an unhealthy vegan for sure. I went vegan as a side effect of going on a diet of fruit, veggies, beans, no salt or fat diet to lose weight. Technically it was vegan but that wasnt the point.
Im dating a girl now who is vegan for ethical reasons. She eats microwave burritos and ruffles all day.
I could give a bunch of reasons to be vegan but the only one that matters is that I feel awesome and im losing weight. You know when you wake up on a weekend and its super sunny outside and you're all excited for the day? Im like that all the time now. This is a standard daily diet for me
Breakfast:
>water and coffee
>pound of frozen peas, pound of frozen broccoli and a "hyuuuge salad" which is just one of those big bags of premade salad that I eat plain like a bag of chips at my computer
>fruit, usually oranges or berries
Lunch:
>brown rice and plain pinto beans
>fruit
Dinner
>brown rice and beans again
>another plain salad at my computer and/or a bag of frozen veggies
>fruit
If you're a natural fat fuck who likes to stuff his face, this works great. The huge volume of greens I need to eat to get some calories is pretty satiating. Also I take a multi vitamin.
No.86810
>>85859
You are basically describing chimps. Perhaps the shared ancestor of humans and chimps ate this way but humans have a much larger and more calorie demanding brain than a chimp and the only way to fuel it properly is with meat.
No.86820
No.86828
>>86801
>several pounds of frozen vegetables a day
top kek enjoy your nogainz
No.86948
All I know about vegans in regards to lifting is that The Golden One went vegan, and he just got sad. All his videos went from golden to him looking depressed in some dusty apartment. It looked like his pecs shrunk by half an inch.
That alone is enough to put me off veganism for life.
No.87020
>>85110
>bitch how can you weigh 120kg and be vegan?
Because this isn't 1950 and most of the horrible shit out there isn't made from animals anymore.
"Vegan/vegetarian" implies you eat vegetables, but the defining criteria is just an absence of meat or animal products. Walk by a vending machine and see how much of the crap in there actually uses real meat.
No.87027
>>86948
In TGO's defense he spends a lot of time now working on stuff with Swedish right wingers trying to save his country from (inevitable) collapse. I hope he and his GF are able to get to a safe country when the happening happens.
No.87081
>>85361
>Vitamin b12 is produced by bacteria, so before farming and purified water was a thing you would get it from veggies that grow in the ground and in drinking water.
Eh?
No.87082
>>85620
>Sure, maybe if humans keep eating meat for another few million years our bodies might adapt. But that's a few million years of early death and illness. So your fucking choice.
Scientifically adaptations of the such would be caused by natural selection, which is extremely slow in a modern society, and thus it'd literally take tens of millions of years at the very least, in which case we've transcended disease or have died off.
>>85750
Tools and strategies are used to survive or do what you do better.
Some tools may have been to forage easier, others to protect their selves, and others, for the idiots running into ice, to kill animals as to not starve to death.
>>86810
You're forgetting when you cook foods you make them more bioavaliable and thus you get more calories (and nutrients) from them typically.
Eating meat didn't do shit for intelligence, cooking food did.
>>87081
Reminder Indians living outside largely vegetarian-promoting regions are statistically shorter, less intelligent, and generally more subhuman.
:^)
No.87083
>>86801
>Losing weight by stuffing your face with frozen and pre-made veggies
>Not eating fat
>Not knowing fat is awesome for your body in actual healthy ranges
>Not learning enough Portuguese to know "Pinto" means dick in Brazilian Portuguese.
>Not making steady gains by eating the glorious meat of dead animals like we did in the past
I seriously am sad for you, props to your experiment on losing weight tho.
>>86948
Kek, it's true, I miss the old golden one :(
>>87027
He's acting like a dildo actually, the bloke is solid as hell as a person and it's funny most of the times with his alter ego but that anti-leftist cuck shit is destroying his senses.
No.87121
>>87082
>Tools and strategies are used to survive or do what you do better.
Which according to you had nothing to do with hunting animals…
>to kill animals as to not starve to death.
If that's the case then they were on those situations way too often, or else we wouldn't have developed the ability to eat meat
No.87161
>>81879
What nutritional benefits? By being vegan you are decreasing your potential sources for nutrients so there is literally no way it can have any nutritional benefits. There's no food in the vegan diet that you can't eat freely as an omnivore. You can be an omnivore and eat a shitload of fruits and vegetables. Some meat foods are very nutritious, like liver. And while you can eat vegan without a deficiency, you need to do some planning, whereas if you're an omnivore and eat mostly real food you can hit most of your nutrient goals without even trying.
No.87176
>>87083
>He's acting like a dildo actually, the bloke is solid as hell as a person and it's funny most of the times with his alter ego but that anti-leftist cuck shit is destroying his senses.
Das rite, we all needz to be moar like diverse brazil
No.87268
>>82625
>implying
Any fact to back that up, Kike shill?
No.87272
>>87176
>Using BOPE's symbol
kek
First, I'm against brainwashing nerds and weak minded people into that bullshit cause against the lefties and their bloody agenda, if you want to fight against it so be it, but the way TGO talks about it and how the internet acts about it is retarded most of the times, but I understand the general concern. Second, nobody with a life and a respectable job read honest and worthwhile here in Brazil gives two shits about what leftist think and what Europe does/is doing with imigrants/lefties influence.