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 No.88375

>weigh 280 pounds

>BMR is 2500 calories per day

>average intake is 1500 calories per day

>mostly eggs and fruit

>measure all food by the gram on a very accurate scale, including drinks and condiments

>constantly starving for over a year

>haven't lost any weight

I need an explanation that isn't "you're lying". By definition it's not a lie if you don't know you're doing it.

 No.88378

>>88375

>>constantly starving for over a year

You're doing it wrong. You don't have to starve to lose weight. Eat fiber dense foods that fill you up and have little calories. Also, are you absolutely sure that you're eating 1500? Do you use an app like MFP?


 No.88381

>>88375

Miscounting calories most likely…


 No.88383

>>88378

>Do you use an app like MFP?

I consulted at least 10 different websites to calculate BMR according to various formulas. The lowest estimate was 2250 and the highest was 3000, so no, I'm not absolutely sure.

But I haven't found a single source that gives a result anywhere near 1500, so even in the worst case scenario I should still have a significant deficit.


 No.88384

>>88383

Yes, I misread your post. You don't have to tell me.

I am not absolutely sure my BMR is 2500, that's just the most common result.

I am absolutely sure my intake is 1500 because nothing passes through my lips without being exactly measured and counted. I bought a new scale just to make sure the one I started with was working properly. If I'm away from home and unable to count calories for something, I don't eat it period. Unless I'm eating in my sleep, there's no way I could be counting wrong.


 No.88386

>>88375

>>88384

If not Miscounting calories maybe your mission caculating the amount you need to eat. You have to be doing something wrong. How often are you eating, is your "1500" calories spread evenly throughout the day? Maybe try doing some sort of intermediate fasting. If you go long periods without eating already maybe try eating your "1500" calories more evenly spread throughout the day. You say you eat alit of fruit? Try eating less maybe your getting to much sugar. Try doing what your doing but completely remove sugar out of your diet. If you haven't lost any weight in an entire year you definitely need to adjust something. Im assuming your exercising correctly. See my post >>88379 might help you out. I'd recommend clen or ephedrine if your desperate. Just hang in there and you'll make it brah.


 No.88387

>>88384

>nothing passes through my lips without being exactly measured

N-no h-homo rite ?


 No.88391

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>>88375

>he hasn't read the sticky


 No.88392

>>88375

Call the nearest university, your genes are the key to perpetual motion


 No.88393

>>88391

What makes you think that?

Sure, I may not have read ALL the other sites linked in the sticky, but the sticky is not those sites, just like a catalog of books does not contain all the information of those books.


 No.88395

>>88393

I never read the sticky either tbh it seems kinda hard to navigate. But I was already pretty knowledgeable before coming here so I never really needed to.


 No.88401

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>>88375

Eat more fat and less fruit.

Sugar is the number one thing keeping you fat.

If you are serious about losing weight avocados, nuts, eggs, chicken, fish, red meat, oilve & coconut oils should be the basis of your diet with some leafy greens thrown in for fiber and various nutrients. (Cheese is also good but avoid milk as it actually has quite a lot of sugars)

Also seriously dyel? The more muscle mass you have the higher your bmr.


 No.88423

>>88401

Okay, not OP, don't get me wrong, who gives 2 damns about sugar intake anyway

It's calories in, calories out, he is getting 1500 calories in, and getting 2500 calories out

Who cares if his 1500 calories are all fat or entirely sugar or soda, he should be freaking losing weight

Maybe it matters when it comes to body composition or some shit, but does it matter when it comes to losing weight?


 No.88425

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Your body is quite literally in starvation mode and likely has cut corners to save energy, thus resulting in not losing weight anymore.

Other than that, eggs contain a large amount of extra hormones and cause insulin in the body to increase, which can lead to weight gain and storage in general.

Try eating beans instead of eggs at least, as it has lower fat and shouldn't cause as many insulin-problems as well as potential hormonal additions. Personally I'd recommend eating way more calories and just making them high-high carb like I do, but there's a chance you'll gain weight at first due to your glycogen storage being absolutely fucked from starving for the last year plus, especially in the carb department.

>>88401

Please do not listen to this ill individual.

>>88386

> You say you eat alit of fruit? Try eating less maybe your getting to much sugar. Try doing what your doing but completely remove sugar out of your diet. If you haven't lost any weight in an entire year you definitely need to adjust something.

Yeah, I bet it's the fruit that's making him keep weight on, y'know, the thing we evolved eating for the majority of our ancestry when we ate as much as we wanted without restriction.

Literally the only way (scientifically speaking) to gain weight from sugar is to fill up your glycogen storage and then have extra leftover, which then must be (inefficiently) turned into fat for long-term storage, which loses about 20-35% of the energy during said process.

I don't think it's possible to fill your storage on a little fruit, even if you haven't ate foods with majority carb content in over a year.

Honestly recommending the only source of carbs mentioned out of the diet is downright irresponsible and dangerous, as with too little carbs your body quite literally becomes ill.

Even following a brain-dead uneducated standpoint how is it smart to put fat in when you're trying to lose fat? How is it smart to not put in the preferred energy source for the vast majority of the body especially when scientifically it's harder for it to be turned into fat, as well as it "cost" more energy to do so?

>>88423

Calories in vs calories in was dis-proven a long time ago.

Even it's fundamental ideas, that the body behaves the same regardless of energy source, and that the body always uses the same amount of energy at rest, were generally accepted as false before that even became a thing.

Calories aren't just magical units of energy that are processed in the same way, and for example, eating only fat would obviously result in deficiencies, but it would also (likely) cause one to quite literally break down their muscle to effectively make carbohydrates for the cells that require them, which is obviously undesirable.

Even eating too little of (X) in ones diet can cause weight-loss or weight-gain depending on the nutrient despite caloric similarity. The body is complex, not some simple bike that you apply pressure to achieve movement.


 No.88426

>>88425

Okay, do you have some sauce to read, man?

Also, the way they taught it to us in Biology class in sophomore year of highschool current year is that whatever the fuck you eat gets transformed to Pyruvic Acid, and off to the Krebs Cycle you go!

As in:

>Protein===>Amino Acids====>Pyruvic Acid

>Fats====>Fatty Acids=====>Pyruvic Acid

>Carbs===>some shit I don't remember right now in detail===>Pyruvic Acid

>Pyruvic Acid===>Krebs Cycle or Citric Acid Cycle

>????

>Profit


 No.88430

>>88426

That, of course if that shit isn't needed for something else like protein being required to build muscles


 No.88435

>>88426

Sources on what specifically?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21190/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycogen

Those are two good sources for some information on glycogen.

Some of the stuff I said I can't cite in one article, so if you actually want information on it I can give a video on someone else talking about it (if I find one) or I can link to the various things that link together.

For example, if you take the glycogen bit, add in what you get from eating low fat (as I do) and then consider what will happen if I eat primarily carbs, well, insulin will be minimized especially due to the low fat as glucose (sugar) will be able to seamlessly go into cells rather than have difficulty (high-fat) thereby raising blood-sugar, and because of that, raising insulin, which taking what insulin may cause (weight gain), in this aspect of eating this way I am less likely to gain weight.

Taking into account I'm not sedentary, or even if I was, eating a lot of carbs increases my glycogen storage, and thus I can eat more, as glycogen storage is used up more carelessly the more topped up it is, as well as I will likely preform better due to the higher storage, thus resulting in more usage, resulting in more energy wasted or used, meaning I can eat more.

Assuming all you eat turns into Pyruvic Acid, then why can fat not replenish one's glycogen storage? It's because while both Protein & fats can be used similarly to carbohydrates, it is not completely the same and doing so is different.

The process isn't simply Calorie -> Pyruvic Acid -> whatever needs it, and thus the type of calorie matters.

>>88430

Well yes, but that's my point, basically, carbs have a place in HUGE quantities, way more than 2000kcal their self in a typical person every day (minimum).

You can't store protein in your glyocgen storage even after it theoretically converts to Pyruvic Acid, just as you can't put carbohydrates into amino acids. As a result, you're basically fucked if you don't eat enough carbs for many reasons, as well as you're quite literally starving yourself for no purpose as you could simply fill up your glycogen tank and eat less fat, thereby requiring your body to use fat on the body or use excess carbohydrates and convert it into that.


 No.88438

Do you run/workout? I ain't a nutritionist buy if you aren't working out you are doing this entire thing wrong. Shit, you could eat McDonald's so long as you count AND workout.


 No.88445

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>>88425

>Yeah, I bet it's the fruit that's making him keep weight on, y'know, the thing we evolved eating for the majority of our ancestry when we ate as much as we wanted without restriction.

Wtf does this even mean…

>not some simple bike that you apply pressure to achieve movement.

My brain is in space

>Honestly recommending the only source of carbs mentioned out of the diet is downright irresponsible and dangerous

>irresponsible and dangerous

So is eating a diet consisting of only eggs and fruit, which apparently is what your assuming he's doing…

>Please do not listen to this ill individual.

>as with too little carbs your body quite literally becomes ill.

Maybe he needs more carbs to get better?

I'm sorry fam but I think you may be mentally ill. Calories in vs calories out have been disproven? No I think it's BEEN proven time and time again by the thousands of people who base their diet on it. You claim you gain weight by having to many of "(x) nutrient" either I read that wrong or you are one low functioning autist. I'm extremely tired and after the first skim through your post I thought maybe my brain just wasn't grasping what you were saying but after re reading it a few times I have to assume you have stage 3 autism. I also noticed your name fagging which just reinforces my previous assumption.


 No.88452

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

you did it wrong. video related.

eat whatever the heck you want. If it's not raw product, look at the ingredient. if there's sugar in it. don't eat it.

still count your calories though


 No.88473

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>>88375

I mean I know it's obvious, but are you doing cardio? Not powerwalking bitch tier health magazine cardio. I mean march-to-exhaustion, run-so-hard-you-feel-like-you're-dying cardio. Sounds like other anons have given you nutrition advice already.

I'm a former fat. I weighed 350 fucking pounds and was a social autist, virgin, NEET and everything. Now I'm a marine officer candidate who has pussy that sticks to my uniform and never gives up. You'll lose the weight. So go back to the basics for a minute and remember the base formula: strength is the product of struggle. You're in agony and hungry because you're resculpting yourself. If it was easy, everybody would do it.

Philosophical shit aside, I don't know your body, but I'll tell you what worked for me, having (to that point) been fat all my life:

my gym was located 1 mile away, which meant I forced myself to walk 1 mile there and 1 mile back (50 minutes of walking in total). The walk was critical for a plethora of reasons, warming up the muscles, cooling them down afterward, improving confidence. I'd walk there and then lift weights, heavy (6-8 reps) to burn my body's glycogen stores. Then I'd go on an elliptical machine for 25-30 minutes with high resistance and incline, such that my sweat was dripping all over it.

Run, pussy.

All else fails, get a trainer to help you if you don't know what you're doing. You build up expectations to work with the guy and plus it's better to have a trainer than look autistic and not know what you're doing.


 No.88485

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>>88423

>who gives 2 damns about sugar intake anyway

Anyone who wants to lose weight and be healthy in general.

>>88425

>muh chimp ancestors ate f-f-fruit so it must be healthy to eat in unlimited amounts!

First off if you really think our ancestors had unlimited access to fruit while sitting around on their asses 24/7 you are literally retarded. Yes literally. Not to mention the fruits we have now are massively more sugar and calorie dense per fruit than what would have been available to our ancestors,

Secondly we are not chimps our more recent ancestors had a diet comprised primarily (by caloric contribution) of animal derived protein and fat such as meat and fish.

>how is it smart to put fat in when you're trying to lose fat?

Smarter than guzzling calorie dense carb laden foods that don't leave you feeling full and satisfied which leads to a cycle of feeling hungry and over consumption.

>>88375

BTW OP I just want to be clear that what I'm advising is for weight LOSS. Once you reach your goal weight feel free to eat healthier carb sources like fruits, whole grains, legumes and oats but until then its best to keep these to a minimum.


 No.88498

Congratulations OP, you broke physics.

You're counting wrong. It matters exactly none at all what you eat for straight weight loss, using calories in vs. calories out means you either burn something or die, there is not a third option. The fact that you're not dead means there is no medical excuse, or you'd be long gone.

More likely you vastly overestimated your burn rate. Either that or you implanted no less than 100 pounds of body mass in that time. Your story literally doesn't add up.


 No.88510

>>88498

Well it's impossible for me to have consumed more calories than I say I did, because I count everything by the gram and take notes. No, I won't post them, you'll just say I'm lying either way.

Are you implying an egg isn't between 70 and 80 calories? Have I actually been getting 300 calories per egg all this time, and they wrote the wrong number on the box?

That leaves the possibility that my BMR is about 60% average for my weight and age for some reason.


 No.88519

>>88473

>that webm

Why anti-gym?


 No.88525

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>>88445

>No I think it's BEEN proven time and time again by the thousands of people who base their diet on it.

>Look at my anecdotal "evidence!"

It's been proven by thousands of people who don't base their diet on that as well. Who would have guessed!

Honestly the rest of your post isn't even coherent and it's clear that you know nothing about nutrition or the human body, at least anything that isn't misinformation.

>>88452

>Don't eat sugar because they tell you not to eat sugar!

Do you even know the science behind what you're recommending?

You don't.

>>88485

>Anyone who wants to lose weight and be healthy in general.

Hello, idiot.

>Not to mention the fruits we have now are massively more sugar and calorie dense per fruit than what would have been available to our ancestors

Nutritional content has been dropping for literally centuries due to poor farming practices, these fruits used to be better then, and they used to be even better before.

Honestly, do you even have an article yet alone a study that analyzes the nutritional content of, say, prehistoric fruit, or neolithic fruit? No?

>Secondly we are not chimps our more recent ancestors had a diet comprised primarily (by caloric contribution) of animal derived protein and fat such as meat and fish.

How long did they do it and who are they, if you may?

Why does eating high fat and animal-protein seem to absolutely devastate the human body then? I mean, that's not how it should be if we evolved to eat that way.

>Smarter than guzzling calorie dense carb laden foods that don't leave you feeling full and satisfied which leads to a cycle of feeling hungry and over consumption.

What exactly is calorie dense about carbs? Meat is one of the most calorie dense foods, as well as high-fat foods or additives like oil.

>Infograph

You do realize insulin sensitivity is directly associated with fat intake, right? The infograph only showed their bullshit vs SAD diet which is high in fat (and often protein), which means 55-60% carbs means likely 20-25% minimum fat. That's not low.

Because it's not low, insulin goes up, causing weight gain.

When you remove carbohydrates virtually completely there is much less insulin producing grams going into the body (protein & carbs) thus you produce less despite having a much lower sensitivity level (meaning you need more insulin per g).

If you read what I posted originally instead of had your blinders over your eyes you would have noticed I blamed insulin too for weight gain. The difference is I actually know the science and don't base my eating habits off an infographic, and thus I know that eating actually low fat will result in low insulin production as fat inhibits glucose from entering cells, thus keeping blood sugar high, blah blah blah, increases insulin and causes diabetes. With low fat you get quick transfers of glucose -> less blood sugar spike -> less insulin produced -> less weight gain. With high fat low carb you simply have a gun to your head if you ever eat carbs, a high risk of all the biggest killers in the western world (heart disease, cardiovascular disease, etc) likely poor performance because of a lack of glycogen storage (so you bonk and are tired), and potentially even a sickness referred to as ketosis.

Don't listen to me though, keep believing your infographic and die off from heart disease in a decade or two, natural selection will eventually overtake your kind.

>>88498

How are people on fit this fucking braindead and brainwashed?

If you can't get it that hormones effect the way your body operates, stores, and uses, then just fucking look at what steroids do. Even on the same calories (and nutrition) a steroid user will make more "gains" and gain more weight in general. This is because those hormones effect how his body operates and at what level of efficiency, as well as increases the effective rebuilding time of muscular tissue, but the fact of the matter is that on the same calories he gains more weight, this shouldn't be the case following calories in calories out, as all the extra calories would have been stored as fat regardless.

For fucks sake, if sugar is so bad for losing weight why do professional athletes (such as cyclists) eat huge amounts of it to perform better and stay lean? Why do they often add fat into their diet to ensure they don't get too thin and unhealthy from training so hard?

It's not complicated if you take your head out of the mainstream's ass, the unhealthy obese doctors ass, and the bodybuilding culture's ass. Once you do that you can truly see how fucking lean people are who eat lots of sugar, how healthy they are, and how good they perform.

Wake the fuck up.

>>88510

Again, hormones, insulin, high fat, high protein, that is weight gaining food and generally a recipe for sickness.

Wake the fuck up.


 No.88549

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There are 3 possible things going on OP

>1) You're baiting which is decently plausible since you seem like a faggot.

>2) You're lying. Definitely the most likely scenario considering you say you eat mostly fruit and eggs but weigh your food by gram which is completely unnecessary for such items. That and you say you are measuring your drinks and condiments which definitely are the first things you cut out if looking to reach a 1500 kcal intake (seriously nigger drink fucking water). Also how the fuck could a fatty like you manage to sustain a 1000 calorie deficit for an entire year. Most athletes would have trouble maintaining anything beyond a 600 deficit for more than a month due to how draining it is. If you had the iron willpower you wouldn't be the fatfuck you currently are.

>3)Your BMR isn't 2500 kcal. Extremely unlikely but you might actually have a thyroid problem or just live an inactive lifestyle to the point where you actually don't need 2500 kcal a day. If you really wanted to find out though you could actually go see a fucking doctor rather than asking random people on a fucking imageboard.


 No.88563

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>>88525

>Why does animal-protein seem to absolutely devastate the human body then?

Oh, look, a vegan talking shit.


 No.88565

>guys I'm doing crude weights and measurements but I'm pretty sure that they are disproving the theory of conservation of energy


 No.88570

>>88549

Wow, so may faults in reading comprehension I don't know where to start.

1. I said MOSTLY eggs and fruit, that means I eat things that are neither eggs nor fruit, and those are measured by the gram. Some fruit may vary in size as well, so it's safer to measure exactly. If I hadn't mentioned measuring, you would've assumed I didn't do it at all. It's like if I had a problem with my computer and asked for advice, I would say "yes, I updated my drivers" or whatever obvious answer I already considered and was sure I could eliminate right away.

2. I DO DRINK WATER. WHEN I SAY INCLUDING DRINKS I MEAN INCLUDING ZERO. Again, if I hadn't mentioned counting drinks and condiments, everyone would've told me that was the problem, when I know it isn't because drinks and condiments don't add much to my diet. IT MEANS 30 TO 50 CALORIES FROM CONDIMENTS AND 0 CALORIES FROM DRINKS.

3. I sustain a deficit by… not buying more food in a week than I need, and rationing it in separate containers. Is that supposed to be difficult? I have a routine and I don't feel drained for following it. I'm fine. I just feel hungry and fail to lose weight.


 No.88586

>>88563

>Oh no, someone thinks animal protein is bad for you they must be a vegan!

Or someone who actually knows the scientific evidence and the correlation between consumption of meat (in humans) and various diseases.

I bet you're still holding on to that bullshit story you were told that humans are omnivores, despite those classifications only being based off diet and not what one is meant to eat or is ideal for them.

Take away the poverty, the lack of food, the indoctrination, and all humans would be herbivores due to the lack of desire to eat a ran over carcass, to kill another animal (because it's lunch-time), and the fact that we thrive off plants alone. You have to remember, a herbivore can eat meat, however it will typically be detrimental to one's health and QoL by doing so, and it's only a last resort. This lines up with humans perfectly. Most herbivores will kill and eat animals if they're starving to death and have a chance at being able to kill something or find a dead (x) to scavenge, despite it being dangerous for them to do so, as starvation is more dangerous.

Sorry, but eating meat has been directly linked to cancer, heart disease, cardiovascular disease, etc etc, and in a way with diabetes as well. Sorry, but meat is poison for humans, and thus we aren't omnivores in the non-literal sense people think of the word in. We had to survive the "ice age" and travel in Siberia, so we did it. We didn't thrive on it though, we made the choice between poison and certain death, a choice that all herbivores will make if the time comes, a choice that they will all pick how we picked.

>>88570

>Measuring

Just saying, measuring fruit is fucking useless as it all depends on the crop, quality, freshness, and flavor.

An un-sweet tasteless dry orange may weigh as much as a smaller juicy yummy sweet one but the yummy sweet one has more nutrition, albeit maybe a little less fiber.

You cannot be exact with fruit as you don't know what was calculated, at what ripeness, what flavor, what sweetness, what freshness, etc.

>I just feel hungry and fail to lose weight.

Friendly reminder there is no other species on earth that starves it's self to lose weight as there is no other species that eats such garbage (for them) that they aren't always a healthy weight, even when met with abundance.


 No.88603

>>88586

What do you expect me to do? If I stop measuring, the next time I post this thread, everyone will say "you can't be sure how much you're eating because you're not measuring, that's the problem", and that's not going to help me either.

I'm telling you I measure my food, first of all because that's the truth, and second because I want to make it clear that I've definitely eliminated the possibility that my problem is the number of calories taken in. Either my BMR is unusually low, or I'm eating the wrong kinds of food.

You want to know the details? Fine, I'll elaborate, but you have to take my word for it.

FOR BREAKFAST

* banana = 90 calories

* strawberries = 60 calories

* yogurt (plain) = 70 calories

* milk = 80 calories

* peanut butter (reduced fat) = 160 calories

ALL BLENDED INTO A DRINK

TOTAL = 360 calories

FOR MORNING SNACK

* wheat crackers (unsalted) = 120 calories

* raw vegetables (carrot, broccoli, bell pepper) = 20 calories

* hummus = 80 calories

I DRINK ONLY WATER

TOTAL = 220 CALORIES

FOR LUNCH

* bread (burger bun) = 120 calories

* egg (cooked without added fat) = 80 calories

* ham (cured sliced, cooked under egg) = 60 calories

* cheese (reduced fat) = 70 calories

* ketchup = 15 calories

* onion (diced) = 5 calories

I DRINK ONLY WATER

TOTAL = 350 calories

FOR AFTERNOON SNACK

SEE MORNING SNACK

I DRINK ONLY WATER

TOTAL = 220 CALORIES

FOR DINNER

SEE LUNCH

I DRINK ONLY WATER

TOTAL = 350 calories

DAILY TOTAL = 1500 calories

EVERY

SINGLE

DAY

Please tell me which one of these ingredients is secretly adding 1000 calories out of thin air.


 No.88617

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>>88603

I'll answer one of your two questions then nigger. Your definitely not eating the wrong type of food because what food you eat doesn't fucking matter when it comes to losing weight, just the calories.

So there now that you have that answered go answer your second question by visiting a nutritionist/doctor and figuring out if there is something wrong with your metabolism or if your BMR is far lower than you think.


 No.88660

OP, the dieting and shit is fine and you done good. Nothing beats excellent nutrition.

Except, oh shit, i forgot the thing that saved MY life, DNP. DNP beats the everloving FUCK out of excellent nutrition. because you're starving yourself twice as hard. It's essentially free keto.

You buy it on the black market (search 'dinitrophenol') and take a pill a day, and you just go about your life. I shit you not, I did not even notice how much I was losing until I pretty much pantsed myself during a job interview. My pants straight up fell off my ass as I was getting up to shake the guy's hand. Don't think he noticed because I got the job.


 No.88663

>>88660

See >>88662 and then kill yourself for giving shit advice to newbies, since I know it's you in both threads.


 No.88670

>>88663

DNP is easy as shit and the "YOU'LL DIE" meme needs to fucking stop.

Do you know how many people have killed themselves with DNP since it was banned in the early 1900's?

Twelve. Fucking TWELVE. Most of them eighty years ago.

I want you to try to tell me that helping people get their lives back is a crime.

I want you to convince me that it's better for OP to thrash around his ineffective diet and fail to shed any more weight, all the while miserable and confused and angry at his own body. Who the fuck deserves to hate their body, when they're trying this hard?

I know this shit better than you ever will, and better than 99.9% of anyone who's ever taken it. Have you spent dozens… hundreds of hours of your own, free time researching DNP? Poring over graphs, extensive technical books, scientific papers, self-tests, experiments with friends tracking progress over months and months?

No. You haven't. I have, and it's legit.

Get the fuck out of here.


 No.88674

I need advice, guys. I'm 6'0, 125 lbs, but I also have around 15-20% body fat. Should I do keto or some shit, or bulk up and then cut? I don't go to the gym yet, btw


 No.88696

>>88586

> We had to survive the "ice age" and travel in Siberia, so we did it.

Why do niggers eat meat then?


 No.88697

>>88674

Go to the gym and bulk, right now


 No.88706

>>88525

>vegan

>pedo

Pls go…


 No.88747

>>88603

As I've said it's not the bad counting, but rather the wrong foods.

Nothing can really add in that many calories or take that many out because most of that is refined (calorie wise). With that being said you can legally put anything reasonable on a label and claim that's the nutrition of the product. This means your wheat crackers may be 40 more calories than you think they are, as they fucking lied.

There's literally no way to count calories accurately by the average person without eating just raw sugar & raw oil, which obviously isn't healthy, as everything else can vary even if counting mattered.

What's the macro-nutrient ratios?

Anyhow, aside from the insulin reaction and other effects (hormones) many of the products you said have, which causes weight-gain or weight-retention, there is also a large portion of salt, as well as a lot of refined foods that are more bioavaliable than less refined foods, and thus you'll absorb more of their calories.

Which is another reasoning counting is fucking bonkers, as depending on the absorption rate you may consume way more than you need but not absorb too much. Calories in calories out is typically done by into mouth -> spent energy, although that doesn't take into account loss due to not absorbing or fully digesting the food.

>>88617

Educate yourself, baboon.

>>88660

>It's essentially free sickness!

Great, where do I get this so I can compromise my health for short-term aesthetic appeal?

>>88670

You are recommending taking a substance off the black market you ignorant fuck.

That's negligent and disgraceful.

Steroids prescribed by a doc would be better than the black-market shit you pedal.

>>88674

Eat, train, sleep.

You don't need to get sick and enter ketosis to lose weight or get fit, just fucking live healthily and lift weights for musculinities.

>>88696

Because they're savages who can't figure out how to grow crops and have overpopulated and destroyed too much to forage?

>>88706

Excuse me?

:^)


 No.88775

>>88747

>As I've said it's not the bad counting, but rather the wrong foods.

So what should I do instead? Feed myself exclusively by foraging in the wild, taking eggs from birds' nests and such? Or the opposite, get all my nutrients from an IV solution? You haven't told me a better way.


 No.88777

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Eat less, move more. Simple as that.

Though I suspect, like most fatties who fail to lose weight when counting calories, you're underestimating the caloric content of sauces, especially ranch dressing, and drinks, especially sweet tea.


 No.88778

>>88777

see

>>88603

Ranch dressing and sweet tea are not part of my diet.


 No.88782

>>88778

It doesn't matter. There are 3 possibilities.

You are lying.

You are miscalculating your calories.

Your TDEE is significantly lower than it should be.

We can rule out 1 for the sake of discussion. Number 3 is possible, but unlikely. From what I've read (self-reported, could be completely off), people with hypothyroidism experience a drop in TDEE of 500-1000 calories from the expected.

Number 2 is a very common problem and almost always the actual case when people complain they can't lose weight. That's why everyone's assuming it's the case here too.

If you really insist it's not 2, go to a doctor and get checked out. That isn't normal.


 No.88784

>>88782

Please read >>88603 again and tell me which sauce or drink you claim is adding 1000 calories to my total.

Is it the water? Or the couple drops of ketchup that barely fill a teaspoon?


 No.88790

>>88784

Stop putting words in my mouth you fucking mong.

I said that's why people are assuming it is. If you say that isn't the case, fine, whatever. If you actually have been eating that for a year without losing any weight, your body expends significantly less energy than it should(unless you're a grill, or really old), and you should go see your doctor about that.


 No.88829

>>88775

I did >>88425.

Eat lower fat, more fiber, less processed, and less hormone-containing foods.

You can eat rice and beans, oatmeal, and a cliff bar for a day, you could eat a few pounds of potatoes with some corn and some fruit for breakfast with another snack in the day. I don't care. But if you want to lose weight, I'd say either of those options is good, although I personally wouldn't recommend oatmeal and a cliff bar in one day, depending on how much oatmeal you have, as it's high in fat, but that compared to eggs is still an improvement.

Honestly I'd say stop counting, eat till you're full, but eat low-density high fiber foods so you don't over-eat, and then just work out.

Unless you're truly sedentary you'll easily lose fat, especially if it's low-fat.

Eat healthy, live healthy, be conscious about what you're eating, and you'll get healthy.

Alternatively, if this all seems like bullshit to you, how do you want to look, or who is consistently effortlessly a healthy weight or lean as fuck? Follow that diet, or that populations culture.

Kenyans, cyclists, vegans, runners, etc, all are lean as fuck all year typically, and anyone who eats like them lose weight to look like them. Don't want to be a tooth-pick or average joe? Eat a bit more protein, such as more beans, and more-so lift weights instead of just do cardio. Done.


 No.88878

Holy shit. Why are you all engaging this ignorant namefag? The fucker doesn't even understand the most basic nutrition nor physiology. Seriously, just about everything he's said is just plain wrong. First you let him act as if he has some scientific high ground while having no studies for his outrageous claims, then you let him start talking down to other people like he has some moral high ground. What happened to the days when we would did down little fags that alluded to Gregor tier studies? He doesn't even post the handful of poorly designed studies he alludes to. Most of the time, he's just plain making shit up.

I leave for a week and come back to this shit? You let some cryptovegan food combining retard namefag just trample a good thread? Am I seriously the only one on this board with actual scientific inclination? This is why people need to go to college, so you can identify this kind of bullshit. I'de call it junk science, but even that is giving it too much legitimacy. I am seriously starting to question why I even hang around here.

I'm not sure if many of you are going to make it anymore.


 No.88945

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>>88878

I was going to respond but then I remembered that you should never feed attention-whores so I decided to ignore him instead. Besides from the tone of his posts its pretty easy to tell that arguing would be pointless.

OP if you are indeed measuring everything as exactly as you think and your information on the nutritional content of your food is correct then the only possibility seems to be that your metabolic rate is much lower than it should be.

You have not mentioned doing any exercise so if you aren't you should definitely start lifting some heavy things and putting them back down. You should also do some high intensity cardio, don't sit on a bike or faf around on an elliptical machine for an hour do 20min of intense sweat streaming down your face work.

The reason exercise is so important for weight loss is because exercising once an day RAISES you metabolism for the entire day and added muscle mass permanently raises your BMR, so you see its not just about burning a few extra calories.

As far as food make sure you are getting enough protein, fat, water (very important) vitamins and minerals. Nutrient deficiencies can really fuck with your metabolism.

I know from personal experience that you do not have to starve to lose weight, fat and fiber are important to keep you feeling full. What worked for me was a very low carb diet (not keto) where I cut out 99.99% of sugar including fruit. I also eliminated grains and starches such as bread, rice, potatoes and corn, most of my carbs came from fresh vegetables, nuts, dairy products, legumes and a few misc things like quinoa and unsweetened cocoa powder.

In a second I'll post a sample menu which is about what I was eating when I was losing weight.


 No.88951

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>>88945

Pre-workout meal:

Greek yogurt Plain

Banana

Cocoa powder (raw unsweetened)

Pure Isolated Whey protein

Fresh ground nut butter

All blended together. Consume at least 30 min BEFORE your workout. I usually work out first thing in the morning so I wake up eat my smoothie, stretch then go to the gym and have breakfast right after the gym but you can totally do this any time you want just make sure to plan your workout before a major meal.

Breakfast: 3 egg omelet with spinach, tomato, onion, cheese and either bacon, ham or turkey sausage. Accompanied by black coffee.

Lunch & Dinner:

Main Entree: Some kind of animal flesh usually chicken but also turkey, fish, beef and occasionally pork. Prepared in a variety of ways but most commonly sliced chicken breast sauteed in olive oil with onions and garlic.

PLUS

Side Dish A: A fresh green salad made primarily of things like spinach, romaine lettuce and kale. Also contains other veggies like tomato, carrots, raw onions, peppers and avocado. Add cheese if you like.

OR

Side Dish B: Vegetables either lightly steamed or sauteed in olive oil.

PLUS

Side Dish Extra: Homemade quinoa salad, kidney bean salad or slaw.

Snacks: Nuts and cheese. Drink lots of water throughout the day. 2-3 cups of coffee or tea is fine.

Other: I also sometimes had soups and stews such as lentil soup, chicken vegetable soup and beef stew with carrots.


 No.88969

>>88945

>The reason exercise is so important for weight loss is because exercising once an day RAISES you metabolism for the entire day

No it fucking doesn't, it simply requires more repairs and takes some energy to do. It doesn't boost shit, directly.

I mean, lowcarb sounds like hell for me, and I wouldn't recommend it whatsoever for many reasons, but I definitely agree with the fiber & not starving yourself bit.

Seems like you got no fiber and didn't get all your nutrients unless you ate large bags of vegetables when you did though.

>>88878

>I'm ignorant yet you actually know nothing about nutrition or physiology and you couldn't refute a single point of mine other than "lol namefag"

Alright.


 No.88970

>>88423

Sugar turns into fat very easily, that's why people give a damn about sugar.


 No.88971


 No.88974

>>88970

Are you fucking ill?

Sugar is extremely difficult to turn into fat. Fat is very easily…stored as fat.

Sugar loses 1/4-1/3rd of it's net energy just being transferred into fat, and to do that you either have to be ill or have excess glycogen, which means eating huge amounts of carbs at once typically.

Fat stores for around 3/100ths the calories, and thus it's over 800%-1000% more efficient on average than sugar in regards to gaining fat.


 No.88985

>>88974

I'm filtering you for this. No one can be that fucking stupid.


 No.88989

>>88985

Again, nice rebuttal!

Why is /fit/ so unintelligent and unscientific? Why are you ALL sheep?

Kill yourself, britbong.


 No.88992

>>88969

Its not that I couldn't, its that I didn't. I was about to start, then realized that you said so much retarded shit in so many posts, I didn't have the time. I still don't. I just get disappointed when I see someone spewing out deliberately bad advice and outright lies.


 No.89004

>>88989

This is pretty sad tbh, i don't know how right you are, but at least you're not calling them names as an argument.


 No.89050

>>88985

Just to make sure, I did a quick search on Sugar to make sure:

" If sugar calories are not used as energy shortly after they are consumed, however, they are converted into stored body fat by a process known as lipogenesis. One form of sugar in particular, fructose, may be more dangerous and likely to be stored as body fat than other types of sugar, such as sucrose, or table sugar."

Seems like you are right about him. Best to just filter and ignore him.


 No.89058

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>88974

That is some grade-A tier ignorance right there. Take some high-school biology or something. Sugar is the SINGLE MOST easily converted into fat out of all nutrients.


 No.89104

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>>89058

You do realize that video explains how I'm right, right?

I didn't watch it all, only the second half, but with that being said the only thing that seems to be wrong is if you don't use it right away you store it. There's absolutely no evidence for this, and he contradicts/corrects himself at the end of the video.

He says basically "You may wonder why you gain weight if you consume too many carbohydrates now, and this is because the energy you don't burn is sent to your glycogen storage(s), and if they're full you will begin to store the excess as fat in your liver."

In other words, TO GAIN WEIGHT EATING CARBOHYDRATES YOU MUST OVER-FILL YOUR GLYCOGEN STORAGE. Exactly what I have fucking said this entire thread.

He also gets where it is stored slightly wrong, as the majority is stored in the muscles.

>B-b-b-b-b-b-b–b-b-b-but CARBS MAKE YOU FAT IF YOU EAT TOO MUCH

Yes.

But do you eat too much? No.

Why do I say this? Well, are you a fucking dyel trashbucket who eats low calories and not super-high carbs?

>No?

Well are you fit? YES? Then that means the below is underrepresented and your storage(s) are actually higher, or should be/could be if you ate enough, meaning you cannot gain weight even if you eat that many calories of carbs daily.

>Yes?

You are a dyel worthless normie? OKAY.

Here's your normie translation article HERE - http://www.livestrong.com/article/477830-how-long-does-glucose-last-when-working-out/

Here's scientific data of basically crab-depletion and crab-loading which shows a few men's glycogen storages - http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/48/2/240.abstract

What does this all come out to mean? In short, unless you're eating fucking 450g-500g+ a day of carbohydrates NOT INCLUDING FIBER and being a sedentary dyel shit like yourself, you CANNOT gain weight on carbs unless you're seriously ill, in which case you would already be in a hospital or on the edge of death.

What does that means KIDS? You have to eat about 2000kcal of pure carbs to actually even have a chance to gain weight as a dyel "man!"

So in other words, you're fucking wrong and so is everyone on fit, have fun starving yourself and decreasing your performance, mood, endurance, QoL, gains, fiber intake and nutrient intake and thereby increasing your chance of death, cancer, suicide, horrid-sticky poos, etc.

PS - I know I didn't cite or explain why sugar isn't the easiest once you get to over-saturation, but if you want, I will.


 No.89105

>>89104

>88888


 No.89116

>>89104

You GROSSLY overestimate glycogen depletion.

Blocking your latest name variation.


 No.89118

>>89116

Just don't reply to his posts or even tell him that. By doing that, you give him what he wants: Attention.


 No.89122

>>89118

>>89116

Great, replies boys.

>You GROSSLY overestimate glycogen depletion

How am I overestimating glycogen depletion? You use a huge amount during sleep, as well as in exercises, and a bit throughout the day as well doing nothing of value.

Cite something please.

Or you could read http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1331071/ for example, ponder it for awhile, and then realize you're fucking wrong. Again.


 No.89150

>>89104

No, it doesn't. You said, and I quote "Sugar is extremely difficult to turn into fat. Fat is very easily… stored as fat.

Which is complete nonsense, because in order to store it as fat, it must be first converted to glucose, then to glycogen, then again converted to fat. It's very inefficient. Sugar, on the other hand, can pretty much be straight up stored as fat immediately.

And no, that's once again wrong, because the other nutrients serve other, far more important functions in your body. Carbs are primarily used for energy. When that energy isn't used, it is stored as fat. That's a simple bodily function. The other nutrients are less effective when used for energy, and thus preferably won't be, causing less fat storage.

The last part is total horseshit. My diet was mostly carbs back when I was fat, and I can tell you I gained a lot of weight. Cut back on that shit and lost tons. Funny how that works.


 No.89158

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>>89150

Oh look, you're fucking wrong again.

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/62/1/19.short

>Carbohydrate overfeeding produced progressive increases in carbohydrate oxidation and total energy expenditure resulting in 75-85% of excess energy being stored.

>Alternatively, fat overfeeding had minimal effects on fat oxidation and total energy expenditure, leading to storage of 90-95% of excess energy.

THEREBY

>Excess dietary fat leads to greater fat accumulation than does excess dietary carbohydrate, and the difference was greatest early in the overfeeding period.

A little lower what I have otherwise encountered, but regardless in the same criteria. 20-25% of carbs are lost upon transfer, while in comparison only a small portion of the fat is lost upon transfer into cells.

(I claimed this up >>88425)

>And no, that's once again wrong,

I don't even know what you're refuting here. Get help.

>My diet was mostly carbs back when I was fat, and I can tell you I gained a lot of weight. Cut back on that shit and lost tons. Funny how that works.

>Funny how that works.

Yeah, funny how anecdotal evidence supporting your claim (conveniently enough) works. Funny. Actually it's fucking not funny, it's bullshit.

If you read what I said in this thread already, you'd understand why that happened, assuming you have a consciousness that is able to grasp what your brain can physically process.


 No.89164

>>89150

Ignore the namefag. The sooner you do, the sooner he'll go away. By replying to him you are giving him attention.


 No.89200

ITT OP breaks the law of physics


 No.89207

>>89200

Not necessarily. If the mass of a sandwich was converted to energy, I would never need to eat again. Because I would be vaporized along with the city I'm in, but the point is that's a lot of energy. Digestion is never 100% efficient.

I have provided all the information I can short of a medical test. My diet is 1500 calories per day. No, I'm not miscounting. Yes, that includes drinks, which incidentally is 0 because I only drink water. Yes, that includes sauces, which is negligible anyway. Nothing passes my lips without being counted, and it adds up to 1500 calories per day, I am certain.

Despite this, I weigh 280 pounds and have failed to lose weight by eating "below maintenance" for over a year. Now tell me what could possibly be the cause of my problem. Just saying it's impossible doesn't make the problem go away.


 No.89208

>>89207

I think we can exclude mass-energy transformations unless OP is literally a hydrogen bomb.


 No.89210

>>89208

Then please tell me what is happening to my body, if you know so much.

Do you think I would get positive results by eating even less than that?


 No.89213

>>89207

>>89210

Your question has been answered multiple times. Your metabolic rate is likely fucked due to years of being a ball of lard resulting in you having very little lean muscle mass, now when do this starvation diet your body is likely freaking out and reducing everything to absolute minimum.

See >>88945.

MBR estimates are just that estimates they can vary wildly. You dont have to kill yourself or pound your knees into dust but you do have to do some regular exercise preferably every single day. Eat a diet that is rich in fiber, protein and yes fat so that your body feels full and healty thus boosting your metabolism.




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