/forfree/ - Janitor Journal

>>1003
Dont' do anything. Moot will sell you out for some hefty amount to the government.

You're asking us? Our advice is fuck no, if you want to do it for free go join one of the teams on here, the last thing you want to do is put your personal information out there in some nebulous way, it may well come back to bite you. Rule number one of the internet has always been never, ever give anyone your real information.

>>1003
I know of no major forum that asks for personal info unless they are paid staff of the site.

>>1003
So is there a NDA in the documents?

>>1025
It's probably along the lines of 'I'll dump all your personal information on the web if you slight me'.

Janny if you're still about, I heard that Rapeape is now the defacto 'head mod', is there any truth to that?

>>1003
There is no clause protecting your private information. There is nothing in the contract that says 4chan won't give away your information to third parties.

Don't sign it. Don't ever sign it.

I'm in the same boat as you OP. If anything, moot's message after stepping down makes me slightly more willing to give him my info, because he did say that, if the information were to change hands because of him selling the company, he won't just give up our info to the highest bidder, and instead let us re-sign and decide if we want to continue. But despite this and, for some reason, liking janitoring for my favorite board, I'm still worried, probably too worried to go through with it by Saturday.

>>1032
I think that's it for me, man. This is too shady, and moot has given us many reasons to doubt his security.

>>1003
That agreement is shady as fuck and you have no guarantees on how your personal information will be stored or used. Do not sign it and step down from being janitor.

>>1035

Are you saying this so you can become a janitor on the next drive?

>>1003
Why don't you e-mail him about it?

I say don't do it. Especially if you're Redwood. Sounds… unpleasant. The site was hacked before, and if it happens again, it could be worse off since they've got your info.

>>1045
All of the mods and janitors who post here say moot is a terrible communicator.

Contact lawyer. Sue for unpaid wages. You can't sign a contract not to be compensated, that would be called slavery.

>>1003

Don't be a chump. Moot's probably doing this to prepare to sell out (XOXO, gamergate exodus, start of new year, yada yada) – so, crossing t's and dotting i's. Why put yourself at risk so he can finish cashing in?

>>1092

What's the problem with moot selling out? Also, from the Q&A he seems like a swell guy.

>>1106
He really did come off as a nice dude on the QA. Wish him luck. Kind of regret some of the shit I said about him being a cuck and SJW sellout, although his defending Redwood's lunacy was pretty disgusting and I hope he didn't promote him.

>>1108

After the Q&A I don't know if I should trust him or not… oh well, probably better to not have another liability on my hands.

Mind filling me in on the whole Redwood thing?

>>1109
About him being promoted or about his moderation style? I think the latter is pretty infamous at this point.

As for the former, someone said he mentioned Redwood at the beginning of his QA but I wasn't around then. The part I DID see, however, had moot talking about the senior staff he selected to aid in the transition to wherever or whoever 4chan is going to next. He mentioned MVD by name but neglected to mention the other two's identities, saying that people will undergo "heartache" because people attribute every little thing wrong with a certain board to "named" mods. I'd imagine RapeApe is the second of the three people he mentioned, so I'm concerned that the third is in fact Redwood. People have been emailing moot about Redwood for a long, long time, and he's been called out on the mod's behavior in the past, so I'm fearful. He also said the leaked list is "inaccurate" save one name, so I'm hoping he's talking RapeApe rather than Redwood and the third is some random fuck we don't know.

>>1106
>What's the problem with moot selling out?

I thought I made it pretty clear per the context of the original poster: "Why put yourself at risk so he can finish cashing in?"

I didn't say him selling out was wrong, but you're on 8chan, so yeah, I think he fucked over his users and past principles to sell out. A "swell guy", I can't tell if you're serious or being sarcastic. Too many 4chan shills running around to distinguish.

You read the leaked logs, he had no concept of obligation to protect your privacy outside of what other staff suggested to him after the fact.

moot managed to run the site for over a decade without needing that information and was only rarely compelled to appear in court. As far as the courts are concerned 4chan's management is responsible for your actions, not you.

This agreement was initially only meant to apply to mods, who are privy to sensitive user information that you've been insulated from knowing. It's almost guaranteed that they extended it to janitors because mods got salty about having to turn over this information.

It was and is a reasonable agreement for mods. It's not a reasonable agreement for janitors. If deleting illegal content instead of BRing it is a crime then that has to be made known and procedures outlined.

The other consideration here is that moot/successors can promise the data will be held offsite/encrypted but you have no way of knowing that's actually happening and you will have no legal redress if/when your identity is outed and you lose your job or similar consequences occur.

The agreement is as one-sided as it can get and implies that they could prosecute you for whistleblowing unethical/illegal activities in IRC logs.

4chan is an imageboard, not an NGO or registered charitable organization. It collects money and does not distribute it to the people who effectively moderate it, you. You owe 4chan nothing.

>>1122
The largest problem with the agreement isn't what it says, it's what it doesn't say.

It has no description of your duties, obligations or privileges; it's written that way intentionally to give 4chan no obligations or accountability. That's not an agreement (a term which implies a quid pro quo), it's a demand which specifically offers nothing in return for your work and personal information, and a demand which survives your affiliation.

Walk away from this, OP. You had a good time, you did good work, now let someone else who's more gullible take your place.

So I just listen to a bit of that final Q&A:

>And there's the liability kinda side of things, like that is why I will not maint- y'know, people again asked earlier, won't you just stay the ad-, you don't have to be admin but why don't you maintain, y'know, control or ownership of the site, and again I do not want the legal and financial responsibility if I'm not going to be involved in its management going forwards because believe me it's uh, it's not worth it. It's not worth again potentially being mired in y'know, legal battles or again basically bankrupt as I was 5 or 6 years ago, y'know at this point, so.

Do not sign this shit, do not do it.

He's planning to make the forfree crew directly legally liable, he's shifting all legal (and financial!) responsibility and blame onto other people, who aren't even being paid for the risks. Get out.

>>1003
It's suicide. Do not do it.

>>1135
He wants to pass ownership of 4chan to an organisation that's supposed to be created/founded by the 3 interim-managers he appointed.
Atleast listen to the whole Q&A

>>1135

>It's not worth again potentially being mired in y'know, legal battles or again basically bankrupt as I was 5 or 6 years ago, y'know at this point, so

So, it was true that Joot wasn't making any money out of 4chan? I thought this was just a Jew tactic to get people to buy more goypasses.

>>1156
It was making money for some time but moot kept it in a seperate bank-account and seemingly had to burn most of it during the Fappening.
Also without 4chan passes it would have lost money in 2012 and 13 I believe

>>1156
How was he exactly supposed to make money? Few companies want to be associated with 4chan through advertising, and it was never covered with popups and flashing animated ads like most sites that host porn content do.