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 No.250

Interested in different views of the feminist concept of "Rape Culture"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9s5H-RNjxY

 No.251

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

 No.252

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>>250
forgot to embed this video. here it is.

 No.253

>>251
Well this guy's a total idiot. I mean he makes like 3 good points surrounded by total trash.

>>252
This guy has a much better angle.

I'd say that you're right that the concept of "Rape Culture" is often exaggerated or misunderstood, that rape statistics are something definitely worth questioning in terms of what is considered rape (as >>252 points out).

However, I think that the mistake you seem to be making (or at least that these videos are making) is to assume that what"patriarchy" means is "men". This is the exact same mistake that the feminists you're annoyed about are making - and this is not what MOST feminists actually think. Patriarchy is an ideology, and it hurts men and women. It skews the way we think about things. It sees men as powerful and women as weak; it's the reason men aren't seen as rape victims, again as >>252 points out. This ideology is patriarchy, and feminism is about combating that ideology; not men.

Any feminist, any person, who thinks the problem is "men" rather than "patriarchy" is a moron who should be ignored at all costs.

 No.306

>>253
It is what feminism is in practice, therefore it's what most feminists actually think, regardless of what you believe. Feminism == hatred of men.

 No.307

>>306
A fair point well made, but I contest that just because it is what feminism is in practice (which I don't deny) that therefore that is what most feminists actually think.

I think it was a vocal minority thinks. Extremism always shouts the loudest. You're right that it might still be what feminism is in practice, but not necessarily that it is what most feminists think.

 No.308

>>307
*I think it's what a vocal minority thinks…

 No.309

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>>306
>>307
Here are some examples of what feminist theory - actual academic feminist theory and philosophy - is about. It's about looking at the historic process of oppression, the nature of gender altogether, and the social and political ramifications of it all. A lot of it I don't agree with, and a lot of it is very pertinent. It's all very interesting.

 No.310

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>>253
I have no idea how you came to that idea or where you heard it from but the patriarchy ideology itself is a myth.

You might be trying to make the concept of Patriarchy compatible or even attempt to make sense of why some might believe it's real, along the lines of how some would futilely believe there's benevolent applications to social justice (which itself is a catch-all term that simultaneously nullifies any actual definition when put into action), but it is ultimately and always has been a myth.

>This is the exact same mistake that the feminists you're annoyed about are making - and this is not what MOST feminists actually think.

Feminists are so divided and splintered amongst themselves because feminism itself is a vaguely defined and constantly re-adopted ideology. It varies too far and too chaotic to be consistent between one feminist to the next.

>Patriarchy is an ideology, and it hurts men and women. It skews the way we think about things. It sees men as powerful and women as weak; it's the reason men aren't seen as rape victims, again as >>252 points out. This ideology is patriarchy, and feminism is about combating that ideology; not men.

Ironically, and surprisingly, I'm shocked you believe that's the reason why men aren't seen as rape victims. While I'll extend some benefit of the doubt and think you're alluding to the "man up, shake it off" vibe of masculinity, that's not the full extent of why men aren't seen as rape victims, or any kind of victim at that.

One of the most recent variations of feminism is trying to own the image of a victim, especially rape victims. To admit that men can be victims means they have to surrender the identity of a victim and victimization as a whole. At the same time this action exposes that brand of feminism for its hypocrisy, because by their actions you can see how determined and caught up they are in self-victimization. They only seek to own the woe is me, woe is womyn mindset so they can perpetuate their own version of women are weak. Long gone are the days of personal strength. To them it seems that a woman can only be strong if she's already a victim in some form or another. How pathetic and shameful is that? Self-victimization, self-infantilization, where does it end? Who wants to be a victim? Shouldn't they be promoting personal strength, not the victim mentality. Look up what the victim mindset does to people. Why would anyone want to handicap themselves with that?

How did you get this far without seeing all of this? If all of feminism was trying to stop this supposed existence of patriarchy where men can't be (rape) victims and women always are (weak), then why are they so keen on establishing the identity of victims and creating an absolute image for it?

Do you not see the hypocrisy yet?

 No.312

>>310
> "Ironically, and surprisingly, I'm shocked you believe that's the reason why men aren't seen as rape victims. While I'll extend some benefit of the doubt and think you're alluding to the "man up, shake it off" vibe of masculinity, that's not the full extent of why men aren't seen as rape victims, or any kind of victim at that. One of the most recent variations of feminism is trying to own the image of a victim, especially rape victims. To admit that men can be victims means they have to surrender the identity of a victim and victimization as a whole. At the same time this action exposes that brand of feminism for its hypocrisy"

But that hypocrisy is EXACTLY what I said the problem with this type of feminism is. I agree with you!

I pointed out that not all feminists think X, and your response has basically been "but some feminists think X!"

As I said >>307 extremism is always the loudest, so its no surprise that a lot of what we see with regards to feminism makes exactly these mistakes, is exactly this hypocritical. If you want to call what you see on tumbr "feminism" then go ahead, and I'll call what I see on /pol/ "politics". But as shown, academic feminist theory, the kind taken seriously by social, philosophical and ethical theorists, looks a lot more like this >>309

> How did you get this far without seeing all of this?


By engaging with the academic material rather than with tumblr "feminists"

 No.317

>hi my name is stefan molyneux

You've been shilling this guy for months here.

 No.320

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>>250
>read OP's post
>hmm, sounds interesting, I've always felt somewhat uncomfortable with the idea of "rape culture"
>see SM
>insta-dropped

 No.1047

>>251

>the real rapists are the one's that profit off of rape propaganda!

Like MRA's? Randoms on the internet like this guy feeding into the counter reaction against SJW's?




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