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>>18450

>milk allergies
>chronic constipation due to food sensitivities

most of those studies are irrelevant.
The first one suggests that low-fat dairy intake increases sperm concentration and motility, which is usually a good thing lol…

at least find studies that are relevant to your argument.

>>18450
these studies are only related to pasteurized milk.

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_milk.htm

Pasteurization at increasingly high temperatures fuses protein segments together and makes them nearly indigestible by the body and causing inflammation/autoimmune reactions down the line (including T1 diabeetus, arthritis, crohn's and so on), not to mention the fact that CAFO cows are highly unhealthy to begin with.

When the body attempts to digest it, the dead milk putrefies and feeds bacteria meant to break down dead matter to return it to the ether instead of fermenting and feeding bacteria that support the living.

raw, live, probiotic milk is highly supportive to gut environment and is not associated with those health problems. fermented dairy products like cheese, yogurt, kefir and so on made from raw milk is highly beneficial.

it's not so much that milk itself is bad, it's that processed pasteurized milk (majority of milk) and ultra-pasteurized milk (that can stay "fresh" at room temperature for up to six months in a sealed container) from abused and neglected cows is bad.

>>18455
>>18457
Raw dairy is expensive as fuck and difficult to find, or even outright banned in some areas. So the best option for most people is to avoid dairy altogether.

>>18468
true, only your body can tell you if it's doing more harm than good. I avoid consuming large quantities of it, and only get the best, whole milk organic stuff. I also go with organic yogurt preferably from goat milk. dat protein = dat gainz. my major avoidance is GMO herbicide drenched grains and this alone has helped most of my past health issues.

if you can afford raw milk however, it is absolutely worth it. as we aren't "most people," this information is still noteworthy in case it is an option for some of us.

you can actually get goat or cow's milk off the label "not for human consumption" for "soapmaking" and the like. I'd talk to the owner about their practices however.

if you're in a city with a health store, smelly hippies and vegans and have transportation, goat's milk is also a viable alternative to cow's milk and have seen it in many stores across the USA in urban areas. even pasteurized it's easy to digest.

>>18448
Out of the replies I received on this, yours is the strangest.

>fad calorie-restrictive diet
But it's not. You don't even need to restrict your calorie-intake because you'll feel more full (supposedly)
>It will raise your insulin
Really? The keto theory states that it drops your insulin. By removing all forms of sugar from your diet–including carbs which can break down into sugar–your insulin levels drop. According to ketoers, insulin has the side-effect of encouraging your fat cells to be more "greedy" and refuse to release their energy so despite all the carbs you've eaten, because they all raised your insulin level and made your fat cells less philanthropic, your body's cells are still starved of energy so you still feel hungry and lethargic and therefore have to eat more food.
>your brain can't use ketones as energy
Well yeah, supposedly the brain is capable of and efficient at converting ketones into glucose:
http://www.neurorexia.com/2013/03/24/brain-livin-on-ketones-a-molecular-neuroscience-look-at-the-ketogenic-diet/
>No animal in nature calorie-restricts
That may be true but that doesn't mean that I intend to. Rather, I was hoping that the fullness of keto would allow me to be "naturally calorie-restricted" i.e. feel more comfortable eating 1500-2000 calories a day as opposed to the usual 2500+. I suppose it's more of a restriction-for-me rather than a real restriction.

Overall, I'll take a looky into the high carb/low fat vegan diets (no processed shit basically) that you've recommended. This is quite a fresh explanation.

>>18506

>The keto theory states that it drops your insulin

what the anon probably means is that it will raise your insulin resistance, dropping your insulin activity, which is exactly what happens. insulin resistance is closely associated with type 2 diabetes, the curable but harmful diet-related form of diabetes.

Regardless of what you do, take this to heart: all carbs are NOT created equally. carbs are necessary.

no matter whether you are paleofag or vegayn, get your carbs. go low-glycemic, high fiber and high resistant starch. these do not affect insulin resistance negatively, creates sustained energy that keeps you satisfied and helps one lose excess adipose mass. think oats, unripened fruits and tons of veggies.

here's an issue that can arise from "keto" with absolute carb avoidance:

>Physiological Insulin Resistatnce (PIR) results from glucose deficiency the same way mucin deficiency induces dry eyes, nostrils, colon and anemia like symptoms. They’re both ways of preserving glucose for your brain.

>When you VLC [very low carb], your muscles become insulin resistant to preserve your glucose for the brain. So while your muscles are running on fatty acids, they become insulin resistant. This leaves glucose for your brain but the net result is your BG going up as you’re “physiologically” insulin resistant. There doesn’t really seem to a problem with this state, as there is with mucin deficiency; it’s not known to induce diabetes or make prediabetics diabetic. At least not according to those who advocate VLCing. I have a feeling however, that this is a disease-prone state.

http://freetheanimal.com/2014/02/ketogenic-diets-news.html

after having done a low carb paleo/keto type diet and doing intermittent fasting for almost two years, I can say that it is useless at best unless you are currently obese and want to lose some excess lard, or are currently suffering of cancer and need to starve it off at the expense of your energy. on keto your body will naturally make you lethargic, tired and slow to conserve energy even after ketosis kicks in.

a balanced, raw-where-possible diet of vegetables, soaked or sprouted grains and legumes and the occasional fruits is the way to go whether you are fat, fit or a scrawny fuck. interspersed with fasting maybe once a week or a couple times a month will give you the hormetic benefits of keto.

if you can afford and have access to humanely raised, healthy, organic or free range animals who produce good eggs, meat and dairy, by all means get it for the cholesterol, fats and protein.

>>18443
>>18445
>>18446
>>18446
Fermented foods seem good but they're high in lactic acid which needs to be converted to glucose by our liver - which takes a lot of energy.

People get pretty hyped on the fermented food thing because traditional cultures did it but they forget they did it because it was a necessity they would die without. Would they be healthier with out it?? Maybe, maybe not. Not a very good argument though imo.
>>18450
>>18450
Reading these studies, the headers you've given them don't give the full picture.

For example.
>Soy milk increased the growth rate of the breast cancer cells. These data indicate that prostate and breast cancer patients should be cautioned about the possible promotional effects of commercial dairy products and their substitutes.

Oh so milk is bad for people with possible breast/prostate cancer development AND soy milk?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817

But even then with your study…
The World Cancer Research Fund in his dietary guidelines states that milk consumption has no overall increasing effect on cancer. It even lowers colorectal cancer, while (possibly) elevating prostate cancer risk. No effect on breast cancer was seen.
http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/

Did you even read this one? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24636397

>Our findings suggest that low-fat dairy intake, particularly low-fat milk, is related to higher sperm concentration and progressive motility

Also a lot of these are about allergies and people diagnosed with stuff, smokers, not normal people.

Btw, I actually suggest skim-milk over whole milk unless you're bulking.
>>18535
>raw when possible vegetable diet, occasional fruits
Raw vegetables are not inherently more nutritious than cooked, vitamins and minerals within them are usually less bioavailable when raw and it's harder to digest.
I don't see why you limit fruits? Sugar isn't bad.
Let me say this loud and clear.
SUGAR IS NOT THE CAUSE OF ANY SO CALLED DIABETIC DISEASES
If you have insulin resistance more sugar/fruit actually HELPS.

>In the 1920s, “diabetes” was thought to be a disease of insulin deficiency. Eventually, measurements of insulin showed that “diabetics” often had normal amounts of insulin, or above-normal amounts. There are now “two kinds of diabetes,” with suggestions that “the disease” will soon be further subdivided.

>The degenerative diseases that are associated with hyperglycemia and commonly called diabetes, are only indirectly related to insulin, and as an approach to understanding or treating diabetes, the “glycemic index” of foods is useless. Physiologically, it has no constructive use, and very little meaning.

>Insulin is important in the regulation of blood sugar, but its importance has been exaggerated because of the diabetes/insulin industry. Insulin itself has been found to account for only about 8% of the "insulin-like activity" of the blood, with potassium being probably the largest factor. There probably isn't any process in the body that doesn't potentially affect blood sugar.

>Glucagon, cortisol, adrenalin, growth hormone and thyroid tend to increase the blood sugar, but it is common to interpret hyperglycemia as "diabetes," without measuring any of these factors. Even when "insulin dependent diabetes" is diagnosed, it isn't customary to measure the insulin to see whether it is actually deficient, before writing a prescription for insulin. People resign themselves to a lifetime of insulin injections, without knowing why their blood sugar is high.

>Insulin release is also stimulated by amino acids such as leucine, and insulin stimulates cells to absorb amino acids and to synthesize proteins. Since insulin lowers blood sugar as it disposes of amino acids, eating a large amount of protein without carbohydrate can cause a sharp decrease in blood sugar. This leads to the release of adrenalin and cortisol, which raise the blood sugar. Adrenalin causes fatty acids to be drawn into the blood from fat stores, especially if the liver's glycogen stores are depleted, and cortisol causes tissue protein to be broken down into amino acids, some of which are used in place of carbohydrate.

>Unsaturated fatty acids, adrenaline, and cortisol cause insulin resistance.

>>18506
1500-2000 calories a day is calorie restriction. There are high carb vegan girls that eat more than that. Just try to eat 3000 one day whole plant foods, high carbs, and you'll understand why animals don't calorie restrict. Can't find any evidence for not being able to burn fat when glycogen stores are full. Dr. Neal Barnard cured patients with type 2 diabetes by telling them to eat as much carbs and whole plant foods as they wanted and to stay away from animal products and the patients insulin levels wen't down and they also lost fat.

Vegans have the lowest bmi index and most usually have there glycogen tank full since vegan diet is usually high carb. So they are still losing fat. http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v27/n6/full/0802300a.html

You can get lower insulin levels on whole food vegan diet much better. And you don't have to eat 1500-2000 calories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFIEUjh0jpI

>>18575
I see. That's very interesting because from what I read, you still must apply a calorie-restriction to lose weight if you're on keto. It's just due to the food's nature, you'd be more comfortable with it. I'll look into this vegetarian-carb stuff.

Can you really get all your nutrients on a vegan diet without any kind of pill-supplementation? I've heard the diet get a lot of flak in my time on these imageboards.

>>18619
vegan/plant based diet gets flak because most people are not raised on it so it is foreign to them

as you may have seen even in this thread there is at least one poster that is
>muh meat
>muh milk
>muh cheeseburger i gota have it

these kind of people are scared of change and if you were on an imageboard where most posters were raised on vegan/plant based diet then you wouldn't see them as often

not only is a plant based diet optimal for human health but it has much more nutrients than animal product based diets eventhough the animals/animal products themselves are filled with nutrient supplements
I say animal product because no sane person is eating animals in the way a true omnivore/carivore is (raw)
it is often the animal product diets people that are taking supplements (see paleo movement)

>>18619
>>18623
Yes, every paleo guru recommends people take at least ten or so supplements. Look at the sites of Dave Asprey, Mark Sisson, Jack Kruse, Chris Kresser, John Durant, Mercola etc. they all have articles with reccommended nutritional supplements (many of them also coincidentally sell supplements as well). If this diet is ideal then why does my kitchen need to look like a meth lab with all these pills?

>>18554
lactic acid is actually a great energy source.

>I don't see why you limit fruits? Sugar isn't bad.

Simple sugar isn't inherently bad in small quantities, but it's the glycemic index that is important as well as whether the food item containing it yields any other nutritional benefits.

nice try jewmason

>>18626
It is fine in small amounts (like most things) but I wouldn't suggest it in large amounts.

The “glycemic index” of foods is useless. Physiologically, it has no constructive use, and very little meaning.

Insulin IS important but it's importance has been VASTLY overstated by diabetes/insulin industry. There probably isn't any process in the body that doesn't potentially affect blood sugar.

Even the taste of sweetness, without swallowing anything, can stimulate the release of glucagon, which raises blood sugar, which goes to show just how stupid the glycemic index is.

And because of the glymecix index hype and the insulin industry, a culture of diabetes and sugar has been fabulized and expanded and modified as new commercial industries found ways to profit from it. Seed oils, fish oils, breakfast cereals, soybean products, and other things that were never eaten by any animal in millions of years of evolution have become commonplace as “foods,” even as “health foods.”

Fructose inhibits the stimulation of insulin by glucose, so this means that eating ordinary sugar, sucrose (a disaccharide, consisting of glucose and fructose), in place of starch, will reduce the tendency to store fat. Eating “complex carbohydrates,” rather than sugars, is a reasonable way to promote obesity.

>>18624
It is stupid. Mark and Robb both push bullshit supplements and pills.
You don't need to take ANY supplements if you're eating a good diet. (Excluding maybe Vit D if you live where the sun don't shine)
>>18619
>Can you really get all your nutrients on a vegan diet without any kind of pill-supplementation
No, no you can't.

>>18623
>a plant based diet optimal for human health but it has much more nutrients than animal product based diets
Shiggy. Lets focus on the facts here: you can't get the full range of vitamins, minerals and nutrients on a vegan diet without supplement. Fact.

Historically, there are no cultures that have thrived by subsisting off of animal free diets. Another problem with vegan is that it's heavily based on cabbage family, beans, lentils and nuts, these proteins, in quality, rank about 15 times lower than the highest quality protein. And so even you think you’re eating nothing but protein rich foods, beans and nuts, their quality is so low that your liver simply can’t respond to the thyroid.

A vegan diet based on grains and legumes is terrible.

A vegan diet that mainly consists of carbs from fruits/milk/honey, an ample amounts of protein (through dairy, eggs and if you choose to do so, seafood), you'll be well on your way to a very sound and protective nutritional approach.

Of course that's not really vegan though, now is it? Which highlights the problems once again a vegan diet. You just simply cannot get the whole range of vitamins, minerals and nutrients from a vegan diet. End of story.

You can survive, just like you can survive on bananas only (see 30 bananas a day for examples) but that doesn't mean it's optimal or healthy.

A 100% vegan diet for health is as stupid as a 100% steak & eggs diet. By definition, a diet that requires supplementation is not a healthy diet. So the answer is no, you can not be a healthy vegan.

>>18275
He died from falling and hitting his head on ice,
he had a heart attack the YEAR before, and apparently it was due to an infection.

>>18629

so we are mostly in agreement or you chose only to attack the points you thought were weak. why the argument then, and throwing out the baby with the bathwater regarding gut bacteria? fermented foods are only one of several means of supporting them.

>[shill detected]

or maybe you think I am the same greenpill guy as the vegan. greenpill is a pretty cool flag you know.

>Seed oils, fish oils, breakfast cereals, soybean products, and other things that were never eaten by any animal in millions of years of evolution have become commonplace as “foods,” even as “health foods.”

why do you intentionally lump seed and fish oils together with cereals and soybean products? man have been eating seeds and staple grains since we've existed. are you a paleo ideologue?

the only ones that stand out in your wide-brushed generalization are soy and rapeseed (canola). even then, soy has been eaten safely after fermentation. it's when you don't prepare any grains beforehand that you experience problems.

natto (fermented soybean) is a great source of vitamin k2 important for keeping calcium out of your blood (especially if you take vitamin D), and if your gut bacteria aren't good they can't convert vitamin k1 to that form very well. this is important stuff to know about.

flaxseeds and fish pastes (garum) were highly valued, highly nutritious foods to the Romans.

are you going to tell me now this was just some ancient roman health marketing scheme to sell plebeians some flower seeds that taste like dirt and some old fish juice? that would be absurd.

personally, glycemic index is a metric that tells me how much of what will give me a sugar crash and is a reliable estimator of what i should eat. I refer to it because there is nothing else like it to refer to. I suppose it is useless if you stay away from processed plebfood 100%.

when I do eat high glycemic foods like fruits and juices, I have no problems when they are eaten with other foods like eggs or meat or oats or in relatively small quantities. but I'm not going to try and live off fruit juice.

I take them as I sense a need for them which changes with my daily activity level. the more I do, the more I eat. it's that simple. I write from personal experience, not from supplement gurus or other dogmas.

you can come clean now brah, what do you want to sell us

>>18164
Weston A. Price was a dentist who studied indiginous people around the world in the 20s and 30s He looked for patterns between teeth health, overall heath, and diet and created a radical dietary philosophy most people know parts of but don't understand completely. He was shunned for these and his rejection of traditional dental techniques, like root canals, believing they cause more harm.

His foundation is a great resource. They have information on food that is truely cultured, finding raw milk, the benefits of organ meats, cod liver oil and other mineral dense foods, and alternative dentistry. Sally Falon continues to research and publish with them and you can find her recipes online. Oats should be soaked to remove the undigestable proteins. Grains should be sprouted. There are a lot of undigestable things that can be cultured to provide more nutrients, enzymes, and beneficial bacteria.
http://www.westonaprice.org/

>>18275
>atkins died of a heart attack from all that fatty food he ate/promoted
there are some cultures that thrive on high fat diets. what's missing from them is simple sugars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM>>18164

>>18631
all nonsense conjecture and jewlike wording
I am sickened by reading trash like your post

not only does what the plant eaters say make sense but they also look the part (they are not fat/sick/degenerative diseased) which led me to the conclusion that I should test this on myself
the results of switching to a plant based diet where I eat as much as I want has been fat loss, muscle gain, highened senses, more vibrant hair and skin, more energy, faster healing, stronger bones, and best of all I can now breath through my nose well enough that I can cycle up hills with my mouth closed

you are going to have to try much harder with your disinformation

>>18636
he had a history of cardio/heart problems
from wikipedia "Pristine, meaning these are very clean arteries. I didn't want people to think that his diet caused his heart muscle – it was definitely a documented viral infection"
died from a "virus" that caused heart problems and it absolutely was NOT from his diet
his widow refused an autopsy

>>18448
>Keto is another fad calorie restrictive diet.
It's a fucking medical diet to treat refractory epilepsy, usually in kids who don't respond to treatment or parents don't want to drug up with a bunch of fucking anticonvulsants, you ass.

>Robert Atkinson died of his shitty diet.
High fat diets with moderate to high sugar consumption are terrible. High fat diets are not to blame, it is the sugar. Look up Dr. Robert Lustig.

>You won't feel fuller on ketogenic diet.
Have you ever been on keto? Needed to be on keto? How the fuck do you know?

>Calorie restriction doesn't help with meditation.
orly? that explains most systems of religion using it forever https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting#Religious_views

>>18654
>lustig
looks like hes on his way to a heart "virus" just like atkins

fasting is not the same as calorie restiction
did you forget your jewmason flag?

>>18658
I did. Enjoy your fructose, goy.

>>18661
I just had 6 ripe organic bananas a few minutes ago
they were great

>>18637
>man have been eating seeds and staple grains since we've existed.
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I'll give you seeds, but grains… fucking grains? No way.
The truth about ancient man really ate: whatever the fuck he could get his hands on.
>natto (fermented soybean) is a great source of vitamin k2 important for keeping calcium out of your blood (especially if you take vitamin D), and if your gut bacteria aren't good they can't convert vitamin k1 to that form very well. this is important stuff to know about.
I supplement vitamin k2, it's the only thing I supplement. inb4 "shill!".
>>18652
>>18652
awesome, anecdotal evidence. i got that too.
my diet makes me feel great, stronger, blah blah.
>>18654
>sugar is bad
stop
spreading
this
myth

Fructose actually has a lot of benefits, the only problem is that if in too high a free amount in the intestinal lumen at once the body might have a hard time absorbing it all (most fructose moves across the lumen membrane with the help of glucose, which is why sucrose is great, it has a perfect 1:1 ratio, as do most fruits).

A little free fructose is no problem.

Too much HFCS or plain fructose at once MIGHT give you gas and brainfog because of the malabsorbtion, but fructose it in of itself is not problematic.

The studies saying fructose is bad USE UNREALISTIC DOSES of the sugar unaccompanied by glucose, it also turns out that the rodents researchers have studied metabolize fructose in a very different way than people do—far more different than originally anticipated. Studies that have traced fructose’s fantastic voyage through the human body suggest that the liver converts as much as 50 percent of FRUCTOSE into GLUCOSE, around 30 percent of FRUCTOSE into LACTATE and less than one percent into FATS. In contrast, mice and rats turn more than >>>50 PERCENT OF FRUCTOSE INTO FATS<<<, so experiments with these animals exaggerate the significance of fructose’s proposed detriments for humans, especially clogged arteries, fatty livers and insulin resistance.

>>18619
You just need b12. B12 supplements are dirt fucking cheap 15 bucks for a years supply. Even cheaper if you get the cyanocobalamin kind. Take 2500mcg-7000mcg a week. You can also get it from nutritional yeast, river water, well water, even dirt. Also B12 isn't a vegan issue. You would naturally get it if you pluck out a carrot from the ground and just eat it without washing it and also from river water or well water but not everyone has acces to river water or well water. Also 40% of americans are b12 deficient, its an old study and i'm too lazy to post it up but americans diet's haven't changed much so it still might be 40%.

You don't really need Vitamin D unless you don't get enough sun, don't want to go out in the sun, or have absorption issues. Vitamin D3 is cheap also, you only need 2000ui a day. Some supplements instructions on the bottle make you take 10000ui a day so make sure you know how much is in a pill.

>>18668
>Fructose actually has a lot of benefits
care to enlighten me?

ogliosaccharides are beneficial. fructose in a moderate amount of fruit usually has enough fiber to not make it an issue. but i fail to see how consuming fructose or table sugar in general is heathy.

>>18673
>>18673
Fructose has a protective role in the metabolism and also increases the metabolic rate – Research links here and here

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8213608
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19591975

if fructose is bad wha tabout fruit?
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/if-fructose-is-bad-what-about-fruit/


Fructose improves glucose tolerance in adults with Type 2 Diabetes (research link here) and decreased the glycemic response in normal adults – Research link here.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11679451
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11134101

How is this diet?

>>18682
looks retarded

>>18683
but why

>>18686
raw this, raw that
raw fucking wheat sprouts
has tons of grains and loads of pufa from fish.

>>18691
Cooking removes the etheric lifeforce energy in food…

>>18723
you are still in a physical body and a physical body has certain requirements

cooked food is much easier to digest

Any thoughts on kombucha fermented teas?

>>18745
If you can handle the lactic acid, go for it.
>>18723
And thank god for that.

>>18745
it gives me headaches

http://www.halosfun.com/halos-story/

I'm eating a ton of these oranges right now. Are they greenpilled?

>>18789
>tfw most of my oranges have tons of seeds in them even though the site says they are seedless

gonna make a vid about this to troll the company

>>18745
it's amazing when you make it yourself. everyone who I could tell who needed it loved it when they tried it, provided it wasn't sour vinegar by the time they had some. it can get very acidic very quickly.

it's a good probiotic. just make sure you aren't sensitive to histamines or already overloaded with foods containing or triggering histamine release.

the bottled stuff like KT's brand is alright but pricey.

>>18668
>>18650
fellow WAPF fag here.

if you ferment or soak your grains you're good brah. the bacteria take care of everything. the worst part about grains in general is the Dow Chemical herbicides. if you grow your own or go organic non-GMO you're fine as long as your foods are not mostly just grains.

>>18723
dat missing lifeforce energy is generated by your gut flora.

also instead of eating just raw or just cooked I eat a little of both. never raw grains of course. eating raw+cooked gives you a full spectrum of nutrients exclusive to just one method or the other.

just pay attention to how your body responds. you'll learn what works and what doesn't.

Is PET greenpilled?

http://www.factsonpet.com/facts-on-pet/

I have one of these bottles, 1.5L capacity, and it held Aloe Vera Drink in it. I want to repurpose it as a water bottle for myself. Will I die of ZOG jew chemicals using this thing as a water bottle?

>>18830
>Commentary published in Environmental Health Perspectives in April 2010 suggested that PET might yield endocrine disruptors under conditions of common use and recommended[19] research on this topic. Proposed mechanisms include leaching of phthalates as well as leaching of antimony. Article published in Journal of Environmental Monitoring in April 2012 concludes that antimony concentration in deionized water stored in PET bottles stays[20] within EU's acceptable limit even if stored briefly at temperatures up to 60 °C (140 °F), while bottled contents (water or soft drinks) may occasionally exceed the EU limit after less than a year of storage at room temperature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyethylene_terephthalate#Safety

Oh dear. Better stick to my glass water bottles.

>>18840
>Much of the plastic that can be traced to health risks is latent in disease epidemiology and outcomes often appear months or years later. William Shotyk (2006) has performed two studies concerning contamination and leaching in PET containers in storage capacities. One study was undertaken to research the notion of “storage dose” of water in acid-cleaned LDPE bottles compared to that of PET bottles indicated that after three months of storage at room temperature, the water in the PET bottle yielded nearly 200% more of the Sb chemical concentration.[12] This study provides insight on the storage capacity of the water contained in PET bottles and elevates the need to regularly use and replace water stored for emergencies in such bottle types. It is important to read the expiration date of the bottles and dispose of water that has been stored under conditions that increase potentially hazardous chemical leeching.[13]

>Bottle manufacturing relies on fossil fuels and natural resources. Some manufacturing processes release toxic chemicals into the air and water supply that can adversely affect nervous systems, blood, kidneys, immune systems, and can cause cancer and birth defects.[14] Most disposable water bottles are made from petroleum derived polyethylene terephthalate (PET). While PET is considered less toxic than many other types of plastic, the Berkely Ecology Center found that manufacturing PET generates toxic emissions in the form of nickel, ethylbenzene, ethylene oxide and benzene at levels 100 times higher than those created to make the same amount of glass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_bottle#Multi-use_plastic_water_bottles

[paranoia intensifies]

Turns out GMOs are good for you you fucking luddites 01/18/15 (Sun) 13:51:52 No.18586>>18588 >>18603 [Watch Thread]
http://www.popsci.com/article/science/usda-approves-genetically-modified-potato-possible-health-benefits

>When fried, the new potatoes, called Innate potatoes, produce less of a chemical called acrylamide. It's most abundant in French fries and potato chips. It also appears in tobacco smoke. Scientists think acrylamide raises people's risk for certain cancers.

01/18/15 (Sun) 14:02:00 No.18587
born too late to be a luddite about computing technology, born just in time to live in fear of new biotechnology

01/18/15 (Sun) 14:06:19 No.18588>>18628
>>18586 (OP)

But I'm not a luddite. I'm actually okay with many GMO products, just not all of them. Yellow rice and super potato are perfectly reasonable in my book.

Also this is magic land, you might be looking for /x/ or /pol/.

01/18/15 (Sun) 14:06:52 No.18590>>18594
You do know that when lead was being used for many things that there was tons of propaganda out there supporting it?

When the panic began the industry released a commercial featuring a lead made nutcracker talking to a child saying that it was a better toy because it was made of lead.

Yeah, GMOS may or may not be bad, but there's not enough evidence yet that it's good. For all you know you're eating lead food until science thoroughly flushes it out.

01/18/15 (Sun) 14:32:12 No.18594>>18628 >>18703
>>18590
There is more anti-GMO propaganda than pro-GMO

01/18/15 (Sun) 15:48:36 No.18603>>18621
>>18586 (OP)
>implying op is not a kike/kike shill

01/18/15 (Sun) 18:30:28 No.18621>>18628
>>18603
Kikes are anti-GMO, that is why most countries have banned GMO

the GMO red herring Greenpill 01/18/15 (Sun) 19:37:00 No.18628>>18634
>>18621
>>18594
controlled opposition. it's not that jews are "anti-gmo," they sit on both sides. they just let their gentile richfriends reap the profits then trade money down the line.

anyways, notice how many critics can't argue their point against GM farming methods beyond "it's not natural." muh frankenfoods. not much substance behind it.

if we brought the discussion back to the herbicides, using scientific information, the argument would change quickly. but whenever the discussion goes to GM foods, you get a ton of shills, boardsliding and manipulation by people who mysteriously all happen to have credentials in biology and agriculture.

there is a huge industry invested in this stuff. follow the money.

if GM was so great, why do they need to douse it with toxic herbicides like glyphosate (brandnames Roundup and Enlist Duo) by Dow chemical corp with the same shit they used in Agent Orange in vietnam that had the teratogenic dioxins?

the same company that manufactures those seeds guarantees themselves an extra cut of the profits because they also manufacture the poisons that kill the weeds.

no matter if the weeds are becoming extra resistant. no matter if the herbicides are known to cause cancers and to block hormones like testosterone. they just "wash off" easily, right? of course they do, that's why we're finding it in our bodies and in our environment.

>>18588
unfortunately yellow rice hasn't been approved and doesn't contain enough of vitamin A to be a viable source for it. it's just a philanthropic-on-the-surface pet project.

many successes attributed to GM are actually a result of traditional selection and hybridization. GM is just a means to make plants into intellectual properties that companies can sue for. if your crops contain that one proprietary gene, they get something like royalties. and if you don't pay up, you're getting sued fucker.

It's kinda like Apple or Microsoft, which isn't surprising when you consider that Bill Gate$ is all about that GM foods for "feeding the poor" and whatnot.

they love capitalism when there's a profit to be made, and they love socialism when you need to bail yourself out.

>>18873
Conspiracy Theorist 01/18/15 (Sun) 20:07:29 No.18634>>18638
>>18628
Natural food will be always better no matter what.

Basic occult truth: everything is connected and in relation with everything else.
If you modify genes artificially, you never know what's going to happen.
If you disrupt the balance, something unexpected will happen for sure. It might be harmless, but I'd rather not risk it and just eat what we ate for fucking thousands of years.

Also, they don't do it "because it's better", but because they can make money out of it, it's just like the pharmaceutical industry.
I'm staying the hell away from it.

We shouldn't even need "scientific proof", it's common sense.

Greenpill 01/18/15 (Sun) 20:30:37 No.18638>>18642
>>18634

>Natural food will be always better no matter what.

>Basic occult truth: everything is connected and in relation with everything else.

>If you modify genes artificially, you never know what's going to happen.

>If you disrupt the balance, something unexpected will happen for sure. It might be harmless, but I'd rather not risk it and just eat what we ate for fucking thousands of years.

I am in agreement here. Are you in agreement with my post?

>We shouldn't even need "scientific proof", it's common sense.

It is common sense, but it's also good to know should someone try to begin a dialectic or a rhetoric-that-looks-like-dialectic discussion. science is used as a rhetorical tool against us and I believe one should know how to use it in these discussions.

keep in mind the herbicides are the most severe source of damage, and the GM part while potentially harmful is played up as a red herring to make GMO opponents look paranoid. for all we know they play up the importance of the GMO part when in reality they probably know very little about genetic modification.

The GMO crops have yet to be proven harmful (by the establishment's own sources), but the establishment already acknowledges the herbicides are harmful which is why we don't see many people talking about them or addressing them in legislation. Google "pubmed glyphosate".

they will never address the harm caused by herbicides glyphosate or 2,4-D (now branded as Enlist Duo) because they paid off the EPA to allow their use. they claim it isn't deadly enough to consider harmful because it doesn't cause immediate severe damage to the body or gut bacteria. down the line though…

Conspiracy Theorist 01/18/15 (Sun) 21:02:03 No.18642
>>18638
Yeah I agree, I just wanted to give my >opinion

Of course everyone focuses on the "genetic" issue, that's the big thing about GMOs, they're genetically modified, some people say that the changes are harmless, some say they aren't, but that's just a big distraction. They fail to realize how nature adapts to modifications with new parasites and new weed, thus artificially creating the need for new chemicals, and poisonous chemicals at that.
As usual, it's big scam for profit, just look at the whole Monsanto deal.

People just look at the surface, and as always they don't get it.
Not many people have enough consideration for their health, and that's too bad, because an healthy body is key when it comes to personal development.

☻ (You) Cult of Smileberg 01/18/15 (Sun) 21:03:07 No.18644
Please delete this thread and repost its content in the thread dedicated to this subject which already exists.

Conspiracy Theorist 01/19/15 (Mon) 05:36:56 No.18703
>>18594
Who has the higher quality propaganda though?

I'd rather stick with natural fucking food that has been reliably consumed for thousands of years without giving problems.

There are way too many non-flag users in this thread btw, looks like bans need to be handed out.

rebuild

Hi, about fasting. Sometimes when I had fasted, you feel absolutely amazing. High even. Other times it's just sluggishness. Does anyone have any explanation for this? Anorexia sure was an interesting experience, "recovery" sucks because your body really isn't suited to a "normal" amount of food anymore, it's completely unbalanced. Now I have loads of dead weight and cellulite and bad skin, healing capabilities are lessened, everything sucks it was better before. Cellulite at 130 pounds, it's possible!

And food binging is interesting. It is actually healthy if you do it correctly(got fat from bad health from work, not this) You can binge if your body is prepared properly, you will know when it is. In my case it was from sexual energy, I have a binging fetish so you know how that works, but it's funny that I had this at the same time as ana, but thinking of starving myself also makes me horny, what gives?. It was done once per week, it's was really fun and you body gets really warm and you might want to rest. Wish I could still do it…

>>18873
in the mega folder there is a book called "Revelations of an Elite Family Insider" and "insider" said he only eats "uncorrupted" food
uncorrupted would most likely mean organic/natural

whether or not "insider" is legit or not does not matter because the wording suggests that gmo foods are "corrupted" and when you think about it they really are corrupted

>>18830
I wouldn't suggest using a plastic bottle as a water bottle everybody.
A stainless steel bottle will last a lot longer and is much safer.