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>>52561

I asked you a simple question, comparable to the question you asked me. Question is:

>I'm blind since birth, can you proove me that seeing is an actual thing, what does it feel like? Proove me that seeing actually exist.

And now you are just making up exuses and dodging the question. Wether you want it or not, this is how it is when you tell someone, proove me that you are having astral travels, proove me that everytime you put energy unto a goal it physically manifests in the same exact way you wanted it to, proove me that you can feel energy in everything you see, proove me that divination works so freakilishly well, proove me that your last ritual that your did to receive knowledge that could help you on future endeavors resulted in that, the next morning, a bunch of books, were laid in infront of your front door, books that just happened to help you finish a presentation and that the three last books in that pile had insights to questions you had pondered about for a while and gave me the best way to design the missing piece of the application I'm programming…

This is not just woowoo, it's experience. I did not waited to learn that magick was prefferably spelled with a k to do energy work and create thoughtforms that have immediate physical impacts.

Dude, you haven't seen shit, you are an initiate. Accept it, now I'm not telling you to go all in on my views or do what I do.

I am just asking you to have a fucking open mind about the possibility that a large group of individual (about 60-70% of this board + all the countless communities, magical orders, self initiates, yogis,… ) are having these magical experiences that science can't explain.

I'm not trying to give you a theory, I'm telling you the kind of shit that is my daily life.

>>52571

>are having these magical experiences that science can't explain.

Science does explain it - but you need to not be stuck on 1-4th circuit mentality to understand/innerstand/overstand.

>>52569

^see

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I recommend the skeptic who you're arguing with read bynum's book and watch some of campbell's lectures.

>>52571

>proove me that you are having astral travels, proove me that everytime you put energy unto a goal it physically manifests in the same exact way you wanted it to, proove me that you can feel energy in everything you see, proove me that divination works so freakilishly well, proove me… etc.

Your mistake is assuming we are interested in proving anything to you.

>>52561

On the other hand you are really obsessed on trying to prove your point to us. Why is that? Do you really believe you are making world a better place or you just like arguing on the web?

Anyway, I don't really care. I cannot gain anything by participating in this discussion. It's your life/path/whatever. Believe what you want to believe. I admit, I don't have any scientific research confirming what I said. I never really needed them. I aim to walk a path of mystic, not a scholar. But try your luck with other people here, I just think it is pointless.

Also, if you are certain that you cannot manipulate world around you by mind alone why are you on esoteric imageboard? If magic is just affecting one's mind, hallucinations or hypnosis I believe there are other places where you can discuss these topics in like-minded company.

>>52577

I thought that you are that fedora anon, pardon. I'm kinda tired.

Nevertheless, my reply stands still.

Why would we prove magic iz reel to you?

>>27360

Either this is made up and you're actually autistic, or you're a schizo or something.

>>52573

>skeptics

>reading anything that doesn't agree with their world view

Yeah, good luck with that

>>52567

I'm not denying anything. I'm reinterpreting it in its original anthropological context, rather than taking it as-is from the modern (dumb and retarded) perspective.

>>52569

*brofist*

Campbell is pretty good reading, although he doesn't really touch upon the more important elements from a philosophical perspective.

>>52571

I'm not questioning your subjective experience, because for all I know you might be telling what you 100% believe is true.

This however doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and therefore I have entirely no reason to believe you. Unless you can epistemologically demonstrate that your claims are not founded in fallacious interpretations of reality, you're simply missing the point.

>>52573

>watch some of campbell's lectures

I've read the books. Why would I watch a watered-down lecture?

>>52577

>On the other hand you are really obsessed on trying to prove your point to us. Why is that?

Posting a bit on the Internet is now obsession? kek'd

It's mostly because I want to be proven wrong. Been doing this for a long time now, and it has been a very fruitful endeavor, especially taking the venture into the anthropological roots of mysticism, ritual, and liminal transcendence.

>Do you really believe you are making world a better place or you just like arguing on the web?

No, I don't. Why would you assume that when it's irrelevant to this exchange?

>I never really needed them. I aim to walk a path of mystic, not a scholar.

What makes you think the two are separate?

The academic is traditionally the one closest to Truth. Of all the mystics and magicians, all of them have the most exquisite educations relative to their culture and society.

Ignoring this is a very, very stupid thing to do. But then, we can't all be successful, can we? :^)

>if you are certain that you cannot manipulate world around you by mind alone why are you on esoteric imageboard?

Are you really that fucking retarded? I said LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE above. Check the fucking sources posted. If you can't bring yourself to read with some fucking comprehension, how the fuck do you expect to achieve anything but doing card tricks?

Just, good luck out there, yeah?

>>52578

>>52583

>all this confirmation bias

Question; for those of you with Tulpas/thoughtforms, what person or character have you based them on?

>>52611

I don't do tulpas but my last and favorite thoughtform is based of off the greek god Cupidon, it notifies me if any attractive girl is attracted to me.

I got myself a proof for "every man looks better in a suit". It's so fucking true, and yes I hitted on the girls who found me attractive, got 8 numbers and 6 dates followed by sex out of 9 girls.

They are all painfully mundane though, so I'm thinking about killing my thoughtform and make a better, more specific one.

>>25335

I don't like making tulpas because they always end badly, though not necessarily through their fault or mine, but really, what's the point of navigating what's "real" and what isn't "real" when none of it even really matters that much?

I can see the "4d" or whatever you choose to call it, but it's not really the answer to life or anything at all, it doesn't change a whole lot about this world. We're basically stuck in a perpetual projection, so our efforts to understand are futile. Lab rats don't just get to escape the lab when they become aware that they're trapped. The ones that really do somehow manage to escape usually end up dead in this realm, unable to share their secrets, and others become hopelessly convoluted in a sea of over-stimulation of senses.

>>25335

What's that master formula of attainment, freedom board is dead.

>>52633

“Earnest Desire—Confident Expectation—and Firm Demand—these form the Triple Key of Occult Attainment.”

The Master Formula of Attainment is as follows: “(1) Definite Ideals; (2) Insistent Desire; (3) Confident Expectation; (4) Persistent Determination (5) Balanced Compensation.” Reduced to popular terms, it is as follows: “You may have anything you want, provided that you (1) know exactly what you want, (2) want it hard enough, (3) confidently expect to obtain it, (4) persistently determine to obtain it, and (5) are willing to pay the price of its attainment.”

>>52638

That sounds Napoleon Hillish, not that it's bad, but why smiley links it too opening your third eye ?

>>52622

pathetic

>>52640

I know right, pretty fun for me though!

>>52639

>You may have anything you want

>>52641

meh

>>52644

Fucking your tulpa means you might ejaculate, by doing that, you give your sexual energy, the more powerful energy you have, to your tulpa, giving too much energy to a tulpa with no control nor purpose means that it is going to become a self sentient vamparizing thoughtform, which is bad. It will live off your energy like a leech and take more and more space in your mind, until it gets out of control and you are schyzo.

>>52644

Basically it could become build your own succubus.

Protip, energy vampires are best avoided.

>>25335

>Guaranteed method; just use the "Master Formula of Attainment" described in https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/17856.html

Not here anymore. Gimme the guaranteed method pls.

>>52638

Oh shucks, there is the introduction. Where's the rest?

>>50591

>Thanks, I almost thought you had something useful to say

> says Thanks, I almost thought you had something useful to say

>Knowing you're just a full of shit holier than thou enlithened being really clears the way for ignnoring you

>really clears the way for ignnoring you

>Ignorance

This board…

>>58457

>>58458

https://web.archive.org/https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/17856.html

>>58546

404 Not Found

>>58557

Try this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150506021732/https://freedomboard.kirara.ca/fringe/res/17856.html

>>58560

That worked. Thanks!

>>58560

Oh hey that formula is the exact same one that's in this board's FAQ: https://8ch.net/fringe/faq.html

No need for an archive link, lol.

Good guide on making a tulpa though.

>>58560

That's nice, but is the picture in that thread anything important? The second, 404'ing picture, I mean.

>>58582

What's wrong with fucking thoughtforms?

>>37337

I'm not too familiar with this and would like to be informed: why do you care about your physical body (or do you)? What happens if your physical body is destroyed? Wouldn't suicide detach yourself from this physical world, and hence suffering?

>>52515

> The map isn't the territory

Holy shit a LWer. Ok, ok, what if map and territory is a useful system that you use for truth finding and stuff, and then you have this other system for hacking your psychology called "magick". The thing about magick though is that it doesn't work very well with the rationalist map-territory ontology. So you develop a second ontology for doing magic.

Then you can be all like "Everything is made of thoughts" is a a belief of the magick system (belief in the magick ontology is not for making predictions, it's for generating expectation which fuels hypnosis, placebo effects, and other stuff). Then you can have "Hallucinating shit is just doodling on the map" and this is a belief of the rationalist system. There is no conflict because there is no comparison across systems without translation. Semantic incommensurability. Basic theory pluralism here yo.

>>58582

Aren't tulpas and thoughtforms the same thing?

>>58612

I'm at the time creating a thoughtform that will suck out my astral body and make me astral project, does it need any special method of creation, or does the method described in

>>25313

works fine?

>>58614

> I deed the same thing.

I did the same thing*

Just fixing my error.

>>58614

thanks

>>58614

It says in aspects of evocaiton that there needs to be a timer set for a thoughtform to self-destruct, is this mandatory? What If I want the astral projection-causing tulpa to remain forever?

>>58887

Thanks a lot

>>50351

You're a idiot and confusiong tulpas with servitors, tulpas are a Buddhist creation, they're a seperate sentience in one's mind when done correctly, there purpose was to show that even your own mind doesn't exist before being reabsorbed, but make no mistake a properly created tulpa will have it's own sentience and feelings, stop hijacking eastern wisdom and tainting it with your western traditions.

>>58939

Both still are thoughtforms. See it as a class and tulpa and servitor as subclasses or specifications.

>>58943

You still don't get it, your ego and personality are a thoughtform too. A servitor is just supposed to be like a unfeeling AI it's a program, a tulpa is a independent personality with actual sentience, dualism is dead so don't bring up shit like you have a soul while a tulpa doesn't.

>>52581

>>52581

Occult psychosis is a helluva drug.