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Reincarnation 09/29/14 (Mon) 19:45:49 No. 72 [View All]
This thread is for discussion of and gathering of information related to
reincarnation .
Have you read an article or site covering this topic? Post about it in here and give a link after summarizing.
Have you found a chapter in a book or even a whole book dedicated to the topic? Post it in here also.
Have you any knowledge of past lives? Tell us about them and how you attained or preserved this knowledge between the lives.
What is your own theory as to how reincarnation works?
If you have any questions about reincarnation, ask them in here too.
I've been looking for some stuff I've seen posted before on older /fringe/ but haven't been able to find again so even if you've posted it before, post it again if it's not already in this thread.
For anyone who is completely new to reincarnation and has never really given it any serious thought, read this obscure Manly P. Hall book I put together to brush up your knowledge on it:
REINCARNATION The Cycle of Necessity :
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12/04/14 (Thu) 21:25:21 No. 11928
>>11920 >Is it possible that one of those browsing /fringe/ right now, despite their interest in wizardry, are in fact spiritless? Possible but improbable – if it is happening it's probably a case of a possessed being directed by a spirited being by proxy.
Read the Spiritless Humans article on montalk it answers exactly that question.
Also read the Philosophical Zombies argument.
If you are experiencing things you have spirit, if not then you don't.
12/04/14 (Thu) 21:39:22 No. 11931
>>11928 This is good advice. While it doesn't make sense on its own (because even "zombie humans" do "experience" something), it makes sense if you understand what he's talking about.
It's like you know, you are aware that you are living, right?
I think Atkinson would call this the "I" (the actual you) being aware of operating through the "Me" (body, personality).
12/04/14 (Thu) 22:53:02 No. 11947
>>11931 No philosophical zombies actually DO NOT experience anything at all. They respond like they do, they still have programming which animates them and so on, but "there is nothing it is like to be them" … "nobody looks out from behind the eyes" … they are "organic robots, machines".
They are purely physical/instinctual non-beings.
If you are aware of anything at all, you are not a philosophical zombie. A philosophical zombie may say based on its programming that it is aware but it is not.
Telling if others are philosophical zombies is hard to do but montalk has a suggestion as to how that he gives on his youtube channel as well as on his site. Knowing if you yourself are one is easy – if you are aware of anything at all you're not one.
12/05/14 (Fri) 11:31:19 No. 11985
>>11947 Can such a being trick itself into having more?
12/05/14 (Fri) 11:38:22 No. 11986
>>11985 Having had a rough upraising i experienced antisocial, sociopathic tendencies.
Since walking the spiritual path I've been more aware of feels.. But they are distant, like an echo..
Mother was a psychopath, a violent and abusive drunk.. If the experience is to hard the soul might leave its vessel.
Its also passed down from parent to child, maybe my conditions didn't poison me, maybe i was born like this?
I'm afraid I have tricked myself into..
Somewhere along my path I decided that What I have experienced others would not want, so why be their cause of suffering?
But this was a logical decision, not one born out of empty.
12/12/14 (Fri) 14:05:49 No. 12796
>>4076 MEMENTO method requires no hypnotism according to its creator, zivorad mihailovic slavinski.
☻ 12/15/14 (Mon) 03:56:10 No. 13056
12/15/14 (Mon) 03:57:33 No. 13058
>>11985 There is no "itself" to trick.
12/15/14 (Mon) 15:01:39 No. 13109
>>13056 Yeah good luck with that.
When will they understand that they are looking at it all from the wrong perspective? The world of research needs a big paradigm shift.
12/15/14 (Mon) 22:36:30 No. 13162
>>13109 What do you suggest as an alternative perspective?
12/16/14 (Tue) 12:05:01 No. 13270
>>13162 They need to start entertaining the thought that consciousness is not material and is not a byproduct of brain activity.
01/09/15 (Fri) 02:34:50 No. 17034
Just another silly idea pushed by religions to keep their followers in line. Other than that, meaningless and impossible to prove.
01/09/15 (Fri) 06:51:31 No. 17073
>>17034 >says the guy who obviously didn't read a fucking thing on this topic How in the fuck is reincarnation used to "keep followers in line" anyways?
01/10/15 (Sat) 00:09:00 No. 17119
>>17073 One can argue this both ways.
If you teach people that their future lives depend on their actions in this life, and the only way to ensure this is to obey your precepts, then it might be used to control people.
On the other hand, people who believe that their souls are immortal might be more inclined towards violent uprising, as they have less to fear from death.
I think in practice there are better doctrines for controlling people, such as promising them eternal and irrevocable damnation in hell for disobedience, or perhaps the idea that life is meaningless, trapping them in depression or hedonism.
01/10/15 (Sat) 00:24:11 No. 17121
>>17119 I am not worried about being controlled as long as I am being controlled in my better interests.
This is exactly the case for me.
Yeah those are the standard and proven ZOG methods.
02/13/15 (Fri) 06:23:44 No. 22081
bump
02/14/15 (Sat) 07:58:25 No. 22356
>tfw no reincarnate stories >Earth isn't all that big a universe. >'Souls' are not evenly distributed. >'Souls' can 'flow' - form and transcend (and any other action you can think of). 1. Humans beings come in 3 major flavors: Person, Bird, Record. 2.For persons, this 'soul' thing can comes in none, multiple, and single. 3. Experience(Age) & Awareness(Ego) of 'soul' in reincarnation >Otherwise the ride doesn't end >and you won't even know how long you have been on the ride >and your chances of ever getting off (and lives in general) just get worse and worse and worse
02/14/15 (Sat) 08:18:30 No. 22360
>>22356 >1. Humans beings come in 3 major flavors: Person, Bird, Record. It's also like 2nd density, 3rd density, 4th density… organic portal, human, ascended… hylic, psychic, pneumatic… and many other classification systems all recognizing the same thing.
Thus began Zarathustra's down-going. 02/14/15 (Sat) 08:34:47 No. 22366
I've had many where I've had someone love me, like a wife. Seeing them and living with them has always brought this feeling of familiarity and love, and I've concluded that they might have been my beloved ones in past lives. Usually we've been separated by some disaster, and I've woken up with feeling of deep longing and sadness, but also happiness for having had someone love you. Or maybe they are just dreams? Phantasmagoria?
02/14/15 (Sat) 09:12:17 No. 22374
>>22366 Damn son, that's some basic speculations there, I am overflowing so fucking hard with loosh of a very high quality right now. Can barely stay in third density right now. Wish I could take you up to my level for awhile and show you such beauty as you have never seen in a long while… and make you think thoughts so deep like you've never been so conscious in so long…
02/14/15 (Sat) 11:07:24 No. 22404
>>22374 It was not speculation to me, it was an experience, but I understand it is very basic. It is just that I understood it instead of just thinking of it.
Basic. Basic.
02/14/15 (Sat) 23:40:23 No. 22455
>>22404 Understanding and experiencing, they are so much more. Of course our words come out basic, the more we use, the more finite the experience becomes. It crystallises it down preset paths of language, language that may not be suitable for such expression.
We still try. An experience so meaningful and overwhelming, we are compelled to share it with our fellows. But when it is poured into the vial of language, it just feels cheapened. It is no longer that which transfixed us, but can now be cut and measured.
Fragmented. And all we want is to be whole.
03/22/15 (Sun) 16:46:50 No. 28857
>>8674 So how one can tell if the spirit has left?
Please tell, this is a matter of life and death here.
03/22/15 (Sun) 16:55:20 No. 28860
Just read the fucking coffin texts and the Egyptian and Tibetan books of the dead… People have been studying this scientifically for over 5000 years…
03/30/15 (Mon) 03:43:30 No. 30187
The Process of Incarnation and the Implications of Abortion >> I am particularly interested in is the process of incarnation itself. << >> Also, I would like to relate this issue to another, very controversial issue of abortion. Namely, what are the implications of abortion (also having in mind different stages of pregnancy) in the light of the Hermetic explanation of incarnation. <<
03/30/15 (Mon) 03:47:33 No. 30189
>>30187 I want Rawn Clark to weigh in on infanticide.
monday mars 23 03/31/15 (Tue) 20:28:22 No. 30470
>>13058 sure there must be.
"I am hungry."
"I am not normal but can present myself as such."
Surely Psychopaths think.
monday mars 23 03/31/15 (Tue) 20:29:29 No. 30471
04/13/15 (Mon) 20:26:16 No. 32765
How do I discover who I was in my past life?
04/14/15 (Tue) 06:26:52 No. 32825
>>32765 Via a certain form psychomancy you could do it.
Read
psychomancy and use the techniques for searching the past.
Me personally I have no intentions of even trying to figure out who I may have been in a past life as there's too high a risk of delusion happening.
I just assume personally, that at some point in my present incarnation, I will reach such an incredibly advanced level of development that knowledge of such things becomes easily accessible to me and I will know then.
04/14/15 (Tue) 07:24:50 No. 32835
>>30470 Straight from wikipedia "A philosophical zombie or p-zombie in the philosophy of mind and perception is a hypothetical being"
Obviously Psychopaths think, as they are human and exist,
04/17/15 (Fri) 15:53:18 No. 33424
>>9192 There very well could be an infinite amount of universes but don't forget that there would be an infinite amount of time as-well.
04/17/15 (Fri) 23:59:53 No. 33491
>>33424 Woah that is an incredibly dank and rare pepe, saved!
05/26/15 (Tue) 04:24:23 No. 41096
08/08/15 (Sat) 23:09:58 No. 49377
>>72
I have this friend who swears he knows about his past life. He says he had a vivid dream where he was a noble during the French Revolution, after being pursued by revolutionaries he jumps of a bridge and breaks his neck. He told me that every time you have a very vivid dream it's a past life. I had never encountered anyone in real life that legitimately believed this kind of thing, it really got me thinking. So being the autistic social outcast i am I came to an obscure chan to discuss it. Thoughts?
08/09/15 (Sun) 08:05:49 No. 49402
>>2486
I am a subscriber of "you die, everything that makes you who you are is ded, and whatever remains and reincarnates isn't truly yourself, so who cares what happens to it as you might as well just be ded"
08/09/15 (Sun) 09:52:38 No. 49410
>>49377
I can (and so can anyone else at step 5 of Initiation Into Hermetics ) vividly experience the thoughts and memories of another person, being them, for a period of time and it doesn't matter if they're alive right now or lived in the past. It's all held in the akashic records.
The only past life claim I would take seriously is on in which the person experienced no amnesia at all, that they somehow went from one life to their next one without any loss of memory.
You are not your personality, memories, and body. You are awareness and will and may wear the personality, memories, and body of any person for a time.
The main issue I have with claims of the sort you just brought up is the matter of sequence. Calling it a "past life". I don't know it if should be regarded as a concurrent life, a past life, snooping into another life for a moment, etc. and the fact that time is a product of consciousness and the absolute reality is static further complicates things.
You could tap into and experience the life of any person you want and report accurately on the details of their life and be believed by others when you identify with that life as "having been your own" because you'll be able to back things up with the facts you know. All really advanced occultists however would be careful to avoid such errors and to make such reports to the unilluminated masses that only serve to confuse the situation.
08/09/15 (Sun) 15:57:48 No. 49436
>>49410
I see. I really don;t know much about this stuff. Regarding amnesia, he doesn't claim to remember his entire past life, just that one moment in the bridge. And i don't think he claimed any kind of continuity either. Anyway his family is big into French bloodlines, so maybe he WANTS to believe he was a noble at one point in time.
didi 08/10/15 (Mon) 06:59:39 No. 49499
>>49377
K so what if your vivid dreams occur between the years 2020-2085 and show you doing advanced forms of reality manipulation and magick… Including showing plausible actual tech from the era and the fact that everything had the label UN on it.
08/10/15 (Mon) 16:26:18 No. 49534
>>49499
The most vivid dream I ever had went roughly like this:
>not so far away future
>some scientist chick claims she found the ruins of Atlantis at the bottom of the ocean
>asks the US government for x billion dollars to fund the excavation
>government agrees because apparently they have nothing better to spend taxpayers money on
>they actually dig up Atlantis
>too late do they realize Atlanteans sunk the city on purpose to contain some great evil they had no hope of defeating otherwise
>excavation team releases it into the world
>oops.webm
>be me
>be travelling on a train, just chilling
>suddenly two giant fucking snake-dragons made of fire and smoke appear out of nowhere
>ohshit.tiff
>one of them just swallows the whole fucking train
And that's the story of how one of my past lives in the future apparently gets eaten by demonic dragons from Atlantis dug up by Americans. Thanks Obama.
didi 08/10/15 (Mon) 21:38:56 No. 49551
>>49534
>ancient mythological beast representing the kundalini fire made of smoke ( unknown, fear, negative energy + fire will passion desire energy ) going around doing destruction of the humanity's bullshit such as trains ( long line of people ( sheep sleep) relaxing on the train.
that's the symbolism i get out of that. something about fearing how great one's power can be and letting it go out of control and devouring our dislikes away instead of healing the whole.
didi 08/10/15 (Mon) 21:42:40 No. 49552
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>49551
or maybe some devouring of the mundane routine of commute and such and all the psychological implications via something supernatural to stimulate a wake up.
What animals are popular in your dreams?
this is cool
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08/10/15 (Mon) 22:08:34 No. 49561
>>49552
I can't really recall any animals in my normal dreams tbh.
Though most of my sleep paralysis experiences (if those count) are accompanied by a pinscher-looking dog for some reason. Aggressive towards me in the beginning when I started seeing it, but eventually as I learned to overcome my fear of sleep paralysis, it evolved into a guardian of sorts, just sitting there, watching me.
08/10/15 (Mon) 22:12:13 No. 49562
>>49552
>>49561
Okay, after going through what little I have left from the time when I tried keeping a dream diary, the only actual animal I can find a mention of are fish.
There's also some mentions of Spiderman, but I attribute that to spending too much time on /b/.
08/10/15 (Mon) 22:18:41 No. 49563
I conquered non-being, as in death, with destruction
10/05/15 (Mon) 10:52:06 No. 55948
Yo I have a question
What kind of karma balancing would I have to do to reincarnate as this ego again?
And if it happened, would causality dictate that everything happens in the exact same order, causing an infinite loop?
I don't know if I'm going to make it
But I was close
And I don't want to stray too far from where I was if where I was was almost there
Sorry I'm not well versed in actual fringey stuff this is just some stuff that happened
Thanks
10/05/15 (Mon) 11:49:12 No. 55951
>>55948
If you're not well versed in fringey stuff you better go somewhere else to pick up the basics. This board is heavily contaminated with disinfo.
10/08/15 (Thu) 09:50:25 No. 56204
>>55951
Yeah I pick up a weird vibe from this place so I don't frequent it too much… but the only alternative I know of is /x/ which is basically just a troll board at this point
Thanks
10/08/15 (Thu) 11:23:24 No. 56219
>>55951
Don't kid yourself.
>>55948
>What kind of karma balancing would I have to do to reincarnate as this ego again?
1.Karma is mostly bullshit
2.Time doesn't work that way
You can't go back to the event you fucked up with, but you can change your future events for your own betterment.