/fringe/ - Fringe

On one hand you have people claiming they are designing a society that is perfectly ordered with everyone having a role, a purpose and not a thought out of place. On the other hand people are saying they're designing a society of absolute freedom, without morals, authority or nature to impinge on anyone. Which one is heaven and which one is hell must be in the eye of the beholder.

>Some say there is a disinformation campaign but if there is, then what would be the lie and what would be the actual truth?

If you watch the Grand Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, the fair owner alludes to Pop Illuminism as being a campaign to remind people of Good and Evil. That's one way the illuminati myth is used, but it goes beyond people making hand gestures in music videos and referencing trauma conditioning.

The key reference book is the illuminatus trilogy, but good luck parting any truth from the lies, it's simultaneous disinformation and exposure.

Most of the disinfo will be about what the illuminati stuff represents, like, what the eye in the pyramid represents. Is it an eye in a prism? God's eye overlooking everything? A red herring? A butthole (as insisted in an old thread)?

>Wouldn't it be more effective if we didn't know any of it?

Depends what the point is. Half of me thinks they want people to have a spiritual experience; along the lines of what the guy talks about in My Dinner With Andre. Some of me thinks they put this stuff in the open as a laugh at the people who go through life blind to it and then when they die, they realise all the clues they missed and it drives them insane.

>>Condition our minds to being obedient to these symbols?

People will do that to themselves.

>Wouldn't it be more effective if we didn't know any of it?

There is subtle references everywhere, but no solid proof that is publicly known. This causes the effect of "they're too powerful".

As for the rest of your post. Why should we stop them? Yes, what they are doing is terrible, but it is not our responsibility. In time, the pendulum will swing and they will fall. All evil turns to good eventually.

If people wanted to be saved, they would stand for themselves.

>>72114

>What's the actual plan and how do we stop it?

The plan is to establish a new world, with the elites as absolute rulers. There will be no spiritual growth, no social mobility and no freedom. There will be stability and order, sure, but you'll still be living in a giant human farm and a spiritual trap.

How do we stop it? First of all, we need to break all financial systems around the world in a single blow. Nothing should remain standing.

However, more importantly is: how do you escape the trap? You know that this is all temporary, and you will outlive this thousand-year-empire. Safeguard the knowledge, and pass it on.

>Why condition our minds to these symbols?

By harnessing YOUR power, they can establish THEIR world. You understand the power of your mind, right? All these symbols, references and thoughts are used to advance their plan. They let you "will" their empire. And of course, initiated ones recognize these symbols.

>Wouldn't it be more effective if we didn't know any of it?

Well, their point is to keep it secret, yes. That's why it's so subliminal. It is out there, but always under the surface. History has not been kind to absolute rulers, and they do not want to undergo the same fate.

They are not all-powerful though, and some people have understood their symbols and learned about the nature of their world. It cannot be helped, i guess.

That's why they still need to respond with force, through police or even fellow subjects.

There is a lot of disinformation out there, but it is only targeted to people who recognize the trap. If you've come past level 1, they have a few more levels for you in stock.

It'c clearly a meme being charged by peoples "mammonism", or obsession with money.

>Wouldn't it be more effective if we didn't know any of it?

They have to reveal their plan as part of the universal plan. Of course it starts out as just images and symbols in places but the more they tighten their rope the more they have to reveal. When they reveal their plans fully then they cannot be blamed for what happens to us after that. It is only our ignorance that we can blame from that point forward.

>>72114

Do you know how awfully convenient it is that the umbrella term "Illuminati" exists for those in power?

Whether they have magic powers, and secret blood lines, or not, the fact is simple:

Calling them "Illuminati" helps their agenda. When you try and spread the word to regular people they just think you're crazy, but if you point at someone actually responsible and say they specifically are contributing to it…

Rothschild family?, forced global depopulation via endocrine disruptors, etc.. theres a lot of fucky shit going on behind the scenes. The point is to look at all the small plans. It just all adds up.

Same thing goes for conspiracy theories too. How convenient that the word holds no weight, yet plenty of conspiracies turn out true.

You can debate mystics, metaphysics, the all seeing eye, and whatever all you want culturally, but to me it just looks like a nice distraction.

/rant

Back to fedora life.

>>72121

>The key reference book is the illuminatus trilogy

This. The biggest takeaway from those books was that Jewish detective saying something along the lines of this:

>If the Illuminati was as powerful as people say they are, then one would either never hear about them since they would be in control of all information sources or they would openly boast about their works. Since this isn't the case, they are not yet all powerful

Another takeaway was secret societies in general and how they benefit from the Illuminati meme. Everyone can talk about "DA ILLUMINATI" because at this point it's pop culture. This leads to lesser known or unknown secret societies being completely overlooked because the real threat is the Illuminati, an untouchable and seemingly nonexistent yet omnipotent group.

My opinion is that it doesn't matter. Going down this road will only lead to becoming a paranoid schizophrenic, where the Illuminati is everywhere and everyone you know is an Illuminati agent.

If it's even marginally real, then most individuals have a very limited opportunity to stop them. Even then, it would be impossible to know what you're preventing exactly (because maybe they mapped your psyche and knew that you would react a certain way which lead you to acting in a way that follows their grand plan).

I'd compare it to a low level MMO character venturing into a high level PVP area. It probably won't end well. The best course of action is to be as observant as possible and have a code to live by, everything else will figure itself out.

>>72185

>Another takeaway was secret societies in general and how they benefit from the Illuminati meme.

how they would* benefit.

Illuminutty may be real, just covering my bases :^)

>>72185

I always saw the illuminati as anyone who is 'illuminated' ie, enlightened to one thing or another.

the truth of each group is a different enlightenment but within that group they all define themselves as enlightened.

how and what these groups then push their 'truth' into the world is what defines that group