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 No.72367

Post in this thread if you are an aspiring artist, filmmaker, writer, or just interested in sharing magic works of art. We can discuss ways to merge your systems of practice with your artwork or we can talk about anything related to the acts of creation. I'll be dropping some films and paintings that resonate with me and include shamanistic/ritual themes

 No.72368

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La Planéte Sauvage (1973)

I'll start with this film because it shows a society where esoteric practices such as astral projection and deep-trance meditation are common knowledge and used for recreation, entertainment, and politics. The real power of this film is in it's visual style which gives off an aged, illustrative appearance that creates a surreal and visceral atmosphere. Pay attention to the subtle messages about spiritual practice and conflict in this animation.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x6rz7


 No.72370

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Frantisek Kupka (1871-1957)

The artwork of Frantisek Kupka follows roughly the same process of change from realism to abstract expressionism that many artists underwent around the turn of the century, with the exception that his work was heavily rooted in his practice of Theosophy and interest in esoteric symbolism and mythos. Here are a few of his paintings where you can see that:

The Black Idol (Resistance) (1903)

I see this painting as a manifestation of the feelings you encounter when working with great entities, there is a foreboding and dark atmosphere that is used to intimidate, but also the intrigue of working with mysticism and magic.

Babylon (1906)

A ritual procession towards the Hanging Gardens of Babylon is depicted with emphasis on ocean, lighting, and atmosphere.

Lines Areas Depth lll (1913-23)

Later in Kupka's journey he starts to experiment with color evocation and perception. In this painting you start to see his work with energy that the violets and light blues communicate along with the fractal repetitions.


 No.72371

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Neal Stephenson (1992)

This novel is an interesting look into the overlap between entertainment, technology, history, and politics all interlinked with neurology. One theme that his writing made me reflect on is the importance of physical perception vs processed or imagined perception. In game worlds this line becomes blurry because a lot of the action is happening through your visual mind and not your physical sensations. The sumerian mythology is also a very appropriate way to frame our technological advances, the more technology alters our perception, the more spiritual concepts make sense.

An interesting phenomena that I've noticed is the ability of video games to produce a place thought-form in the subconscious. When you're immersed in a game, particularly open-world games it projects places into your head and memory. I think we're only at a fraction of the potential of this medium right now when it comes to creative power. This is the first medium where you can walk around and effect controlled change on an imagined place. I think once we are able to produce convincing reality we can understand a lot more about the one we're living in on a spiritual level.


 No.72372

>>72371

Meant to say Snow Crash (1992) by Neal Stephenson


 No.72396

Does music count?


 No.72397

>>72396

Yes, music counts.


 No.72418

I have 2 drawings which I have perfectly visualized in my meditations and I would love to paint them on canvas, thing is I have never draw anything let alone use canva and study the hundreds of techniques which exist.


 No.72431

It's highly synchronistic that I run into this thread, because after years of feeling aimless with my life, I decided I'm going to relentlessly pursue a career in art. I have quite some technical skill under my belt (absolutely a natural talent, though a lot of people seem to deny such a thing exists), and I'm certain that in combining this with deep symbolism, sigils, subliminal messages, psychological use of color, etc. I'll become extremely successful in the art world. It's strange to me how this isn't talked about as much as it could be, given the extensive connection between art, language, and magick. Memes are an example of that.

I hope that if I gain enough steam I can inspire a sort of underground following of occult-minded artists and help develop a "neo-symbolist" movement, which already seems to be in the works.


 No.72452


 No.72453

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im apollyon of murica questions about the subject at hand plox


 No.72516

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>>72431

You and I understand the overlap of the magician's methods and the artist's methods. I can definitely appreciate your decision to be more involved in creation. I love studying art history, especially the symbolist painters of the early 20th century and one subject you see being brought up a lot is esoteric phenomena such as dreams, visions, myths. Viewers don't realize it's all related, our only mode of existence is present and everything else is a dream, including the past.


 No.72521

>>72452

very nice

this was channeled from a different dimension via use of chemicals (dipropyltryptamine)

https://soundcloud.com/boobenmeyer/dpt3


 No.72527

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>>72516

It's great that we share that understanding. I look mainly to the Symbolists in terms of artistic guidance, along of course with dream imagery, imagination, Jungian symbols, etc. for the raw inspiration. I have a particular fondness for Klimt. Are you an artist yourself?

Also, though I have a lot of confidence in my success, I would appreciate anyone's blessings (of any sort) to further strengthen my endeavors.


 No.72541

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>>72527

I'm a fan of Klimt as well. I think you would like the work of illustrator, Alfred Kubin. I do a lot of work in watercolor and ink but I don't give as much time to it as I would like. I can't give you a blessing but I will say that the best artists have their method's down which frees them to explore subject matter and composition to the fullest. You have to prioritize method over formula. Look at alchemist methods and see if you can make any connections between that and producing artwork.


 No.72542

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>>72541

Also don't ignore the impacts of contemporary subject matter and media. Today an experiential medium like an app or a game might make more of an impact in terms of idea. With pure visual ideas, illustrations, animations, and paintings are still the most effective though. Consider the ways advertisers subliminally sell a product before telling us to buy it. Space should be sold by sculpture or 3d rendering, story should be sold via illustration, time via animation, experience via game. Figure out what parts of the mind you want to appeal to.


 No.72543

>>72541

>>72542

Thank you for the advice, and I'll take a look at Kubin. I think I understand what you're saying. Your second post about media sounds similar to the effect of memes, which is why I brought that up earlier. In fact, I think looking at media/advertising/business negotiation strategies is essential, and in many ways it seems to be where magick and art meet.

I feel like I'm good at tuning into the way art "hits" the viewer. I'll often sit for long amounts of time staring at a piece I'm working on and trying to "feel out" what I need to add or subtract to it to achieve a specific effect, and never just settling for "this is good enough so I'll just move on now." I want to viscerally bridge the gap between my reality and my audience's.


 No.72544

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>>72543

What kind of visuals, feelings, ideas do you want to work with in your art?


 No.72558

>>72521

Excellent work anon.


 No.72569

>>72544

I have many general things but nothing too set in stone. Current things I'm working on are, hopefully much like Klimt, more sensual, subtle, dreamlike, and a little bit dark (I believe a little darkness makes most artwork more captivating).

This might sound shallow, but right now I aim to make artwork that is irresistibly salable, and ideally to wealthy people. So not only am I imbuing them with sigils I made pertaining to wealth and good fortune, but also symbolic imagery depicting opulence, life, youth, sexuality, etc. This includes stuff like nude women (not explicitly sexual), gold, fruit, animals, and abstract patterns interlaced with symbols.

I feel like far too much art these days is geared toward misery, death, and grotesqueness in some kind of edgy way, or they're just self-indulgent to the point of having no appeal to anyone beyond just the artist that made it, and I'm seeking a novel way of cutting through all that.


 No.72572

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>>72569

If you ever go to ArtStation or Deviantart, you will see the same photo-bashed, formulaic bullshit everywhere. I think there has actually been a creativity drain when it comes to the more commercial sides of art and illustration. I went to art school for a year before dropping out and it was literally 50-60% "concept artists" who did the same fanart, mechs, cyberpunk cityscapes, generic fantasy, videogame shit or delusional installation artists. Even to animation students I would bring up classic movies like Dead Leaves, Fritz the Cat, just stuff you'd expect people to know and all I would get back is, "oh I just want to work for pixar :p". There were a few graduates that went to work for Adult Swim though which was kind of cool. The illustrators were even more obnoxious though, you could tell what kind of work they did from hundreds of feet away. The faux feminist pagan, homerotic, fanart-drawing generation is killing creativity. What they don't understand is the best concept artists such as Mobius, H.R. giger, James Gurney are people whose work excels as both art and concept. The best artists know how to use deep knowledge from other fields (inculding the occult) and merge it with their visual processes rather than just reinterpreting the same fantasy world three hundred ways. Surprisingly the most based and knowledgable/dependable students were the sculpture majors. Many of them knew how to actually set up a gallery and work with the space.


 No.72573

>>72572

I get kind of passionate about this topic so excuse me. I think that there's just so much more artists can do now with the technology and mediums we have available. If artists even looked around a little bit they could see that right now is ripe for the development of a new movement. Artificial Intelligence developed artwork, such as Cohen's AARON is even more interesting than what I'm seeing some artists produce.

Anyway, I'm glad you have a fresh perspective on artwork. One thing I might want to ask you though, how would you approach spreading the meme that artists need to branch out and explore different mediums besides digital painting and sketches?

http://www.gizmag.com/creative-ai-algorithmic-art-painting-fool-aaron/36106/


 No.72602

>>72572

>>72573

Which is why I have confidence in my success. I can appreciate the commercial side of art too - in fact, I'm a huge fan of Mike Mignola, who's probably one of the most unique contemporary artists working commercially like those you listed, and unsurprisingly also has an insanely heavy use of symbolism - but I agree that it's often the same sort of masturbatory, unoriginal trash that doesn't do much in terms of deeply affecting the psyche. Of course, there's symbolism in everything. Even the most contrived fantasy fiction is building upon familiar ideas. But some of that symbolism is so rehashed that no amount of technical skill can seem to preserve its novelty, and I believe this is why a lot of contemporary or commercial art comes off as so stale.

>how would you approach spreading the meme that artists need to branch out and explore different mediums besides digital painting and sketches?

For some reason I'm having trouble grasping exactly what you're asking. You mean how am I going to bring other artists to make art that isn't just digital? I guess that's not something I've considered or honestly cared too much about. If a digital artist happens to find inspiration in whatever I'm doing and follows my lead, then I guess the meme is simply spread through example, but it obviously takes a certain courage in being more than a cog in the machine. But again, I think what's most important besides just exploring mediums is knowing how to affect your audience, and to do so means you need to understand the psyche, and in doing all of that means essentially undergoing some degree of magickal initiation. In other words, an "I just want to work for Pixar"-minded artist is not approaching their work in the same way as a spiritual artist does, and whether they're working digitally or through traditional mediums probably isn't going to make much of a difference.

But I also think the fact that traditional mediums are becoming secondary to digital (in capitalistic terms) somewhat increases their novelty as well. As you said, the use of space, scale, and simply the visceral nature of seeing a work of art in person are some of the elements that will always keep it so interesting, and it allows for nearly endless possibilities for the artist to work with.


 No.72625

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>>72602

Sorry to confuse you, I wanted to ask what your approach would be because it's something I'm thinking about exploring myself. Look at programs like Mandelbulb 3d where artist's understanding of math and aesthetics contribute to the overall piece. The problem is we have a lot of technically talented artists ( in rendering, gesture, composition) but they haven't developed knowledgable aesthetic taste, which I'm not saying will be the same for everyone but will usually show that they can break formulas successfully. Symbolism is like a visual language that people implant into their subconscious, animals, signs, logos, colors, etc. have very distinct hidden meanings. What you are doing by utilizing that is basically telling a story of associations. In artwork, symbolists choose a narrative approach by doing this even if the story or message is not conscious.


 No.72667

>>72569

>>72602

On your path, did you discover some concrete ways to enhance your "desire to express"?

I've been studying mindsets of various notable artists and I noticed that the quality of works of any artist (and his skill in general) depends of the reserves of his "emotional desire" that he pours into his pieces.

It's a passion-like feeling that makes artist really want to express the subject he's interested in.

One of my theories is that in order to experience more of this crucial "desire to express", one should cut off oneself from mundane sources of satiating the desire.

And so, I cut off myself from games, porn etc. as a form of experiment. But it doesn't quite work like I wished it to. I can close myself in an empty room with canvas of paper so that it's my only window of satiating my desire, but it turns out it's not that simple. I wish it were.

However I accidentally found weed, high doses of yerba mate and coffee work well. I really get the passion flowing sometimes and when I'm feeling good, I'm in the flow, and I'm making great stuff compared to just forcing myself. But I can't go on on them all day … and crash afterwards makes me pay for it.

I desperately need to know some more tricks to enhance this desire. I'm almost certain the most notable artists in history were basically people with very high genetic baseline of this passion or/and people who knew how to manipulate it (manipulation being basically magick)

I can force myself to do a lot of things that my subconscious doesn't like so I like to think I have a lot of control. However, I can't just force myself to feel deep passion and deep desire to express. I can force myself to work all day, but to force myself to feel passion?


 No.72669

>>72667

How about rewarding yourself with food only if you catch yourself experiencing passion? Theoretically the lower self should catch the message and start making you feel passionate every time it's hungry. If it doesn't then you starve it (yourself).

I just wonder if it's even possible because after all, it's the desire for desire.

I also think near-death experiences unlock a lot of desire. When you're falling to your death, you experience the basic desire to live so intensely, that if you survive it, you wake up in hospital with the desire enhanced ten times.

Also, the high desire can be genetic.

And isn't kundalini essentially unlocking the high desire state? It's all it is. It's waving to the universe and saying "hey god, look, I'm responsible enough for you to quadruple my emotional semen reserves. give me 4x more desire. you won't regret it - I swear I'll impregnate 4x more women and raise 4x4 children. so depress 4 useless people somewhere and send their energy through my spine, I'll do better than them"


 No.72671

Does music count? Here's a song I made about the flat earth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroQz0qGMCU


 No.72779

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>>72625

On that note, I've been reading Man and His Symbols, and a small point that stood out to me is that often ancient symbols need a modern "rebirth" for the modern mind to interpret. We're so saturated with symbols that we don't regard them with the same weight as, say, a Neolithic human would with their crude pictograms and artwork.

I mentioned Mike Mignola earlier, and I want to reiterate his stuff as a perfect example of this. He has a distinct aesthetic style through which he depicts very ancient and sometimes "basic" symbols. That's enough to give the image its magickal charm. Anyone can do a study of an animal, like a snake for example, but only within the context of a narrative, a setting, a certain color palette, other symbols, etc. does it take on the deeper meaning.

>>72667

Yeah, you're onto something. I generally try to abstain from masturbation and porn viewing, and this results in a significant build-up of the passion you're describing. But I find that if left unchecked it can become really volatile. Like it could dramatically switch between intense motivation, anger, or a level of horniness that almost makes me pull my hair out.

I'm interested in - again, like Klimt - depicting women and the female form. For me, this feels like a sublimation of sexual energy. I'm fortune enough to have access to a figure drawing class at my college that I drop in on once in a while. I notice that other students show a lot of anxiety and tension that results in poor drawing, and I truly believe it has to do with an unconscious way of relating sexually to the model. Perhaps there is the sense that art is "above" the realm of sexuality and therefore you have to subdue any sense of passion, especially in a formal setting. I see it a different way, that I can feel intense passion toward the beauty of the model and try to capture all of that in a drawing, and in doing so, I exhaust the sexual impulse.

However, like you said, it's not as simple as having enough passion that suddenly you're apt to draw or paint. Creating art can be a long, tedious process, and something like sexual passion means wanting immediate gratification. I think you need to reach a certain level of technical skill, and familiarity with the entire process, to be able to let that flow through you onto the canvas, otherwise you'll lack the control and patience to see it through to a finished product.

>I desperately need to know some more tricks to enhance this desire.

Unfortunately, I need to tell you that to give up on looking for "tricks," and don't worry about things like genetics, no matter if you're right or not. If you're "desperate," then the passion is there somewhere, you just need to pursue it relentlessly even in the face of tedium and failure. Work through failure until success is yours.

You may often have to arouse passion out of thin air. Pump yourself up. Getting angry at your own lack of passion itself creates passion, like you're your own enemy to defy. It's certainly not unknown to artists to have "off days" or not feel excited about art, but persistence will always pay off.

Pics related are a couple of the most recent studies I've done (in the same session). I was hesitant at first to share any work just out of a weird paranoia that someone I know would somehow be on /fringe/ and recognize it, but I think a few sketches are pretty innocuous. They're certainly not my best, and I actually think they're kind of dogshit, but I think they show how I have a "romanticized" approach to depicting the figure.


 No.72800

>>72541

So here I am, thinking about life, just read an article about borderline and am sitting here contenplating my life. I just got out of a five year relationship with my borderline ex which has made my ego basically turn into nothing. In an attempt to piece together who I am (and who I used to be), I have been looking at my old facebook account, from a time when I still used to be "me". Or was I? Some of the posts remind me of a time when I was in an extremely dark place. At one point during this time, I spent 6 months in solitary confinement (in custody awaiting trial)

Anyway, so here I am contenplating this when I find myself staring at your post. Klimt. During this time in solitary confinement, I had a lot of spare time and I inspected every corner of my cell… somewhere, written in an odd place was this name, Klimt. I didn't know who or what it was, but I was sure it must have had some significance (lol, I was already on The Path back then, I just didn't know what it was about yet). I googled it later but I didn't make much of it. Anyway, so now here I am thinking about these exact things when this pops up, bringing me back to when I was there…. man was I a fool back then, I've made so many mistakes. But this is life trying to teach me something, I think thats the whole point of it all.

Anyway, just a little synchronicity story for you there, thanks for that! Whenever I get these I know I am doing it right, I think that's what synchronicities are all about. Just a friendly reminder from the universe to illustrate how life only gives you what you need, be it good or bad.


 No.72801

>>72779

Nice. I like how you drew her belly, it looks natural.


 No.72922

>>72801

Thank you.


 No.72958

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>>72800

Everyone, not just artists, have a well of visual and perceptive experiences to draw from. The subconscious world of memories leaks into an underground river that carries everyone's memories and fantasies in a current of visual energy. The better you become at dreaming, meditating, and mindfulness, the better you can see this invisible river of collective human experience, especially while asleep. This works especially well with ancestral memories. We have access to everything, but in the process of forming identity we build barriers. I wish you luck on your artistic and magical journeys.


 No.72963

The fact of the matter is that when enough energy is given to a work, it takes on its own identity. I can't really talk too much about my work, because my practices are wholly intertwined with it, but I can say this: Each being has within them the spark to create an infinitude of existences. Our own existence is the same thing. The more energy we give to our work, the realer it becomes. I have chosen to give all my energy to my work, and I will use it to harvest massive amounts of loosh via emotional attachment, allowing me to create my own macrocosm out of the margins of my work. To answer any and all questions: Yes, I do feel compelled to create. I have since I was very young. Both to serve my purposes while I live on Earth, and to fulfill the purposes of my greater self. As all beings here are pieces of the Creator imbued with spirit, so too will I create my own beings, and when I die, I will use my…capabilities…to shape it according to my image. The work is a greater path than the destiny I was given, and I find it a blessing to understand what I do. My greatest hope for people on this earth is to discover their own powers of creation - that not only can they build a template of it here on this earth, but it can be made into its own reality! Your dreams can become real. My passion comes from the goal of liberating the spirit from all limitations, so as to eventually call forth the highest being in existence and merge all separate infinite souls with it, in order to transcend the final limit which is of course the infinity of existence itself. There is a greater purpose for all of this and I will do the work of the Light to be a catalyst in its realization. And my own body and soul will serve as a sacrifice in its name.


 No.72994

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>>72958

the kingdom of heaven is within


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>>72994

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