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e6efe3 No.497

So FurAffinity and its forums have had a major falling out. The forums have removed all admin powers from FA staff and are going to split.

What do you think will happen to the community that resides on FAF? What do you think is their best move?

Link: https://forums.furaffinity.net/threads/1535953-Future-for-FA-Forums

7c611f No.498

File: 1441828390085.jpg (68.66 KB, 830x721, 830:721, 4FqbaEQ.jpg)

I've never really taken notice of the forums, but it seems like the community there is all for separation.

What I wonder is where they will go from here.

I'm probably safe to assume FAF is a place to talk about FA related things, but its apparent they they are getting sick of FA's shit.

If they are going to split their forum off from the main site because of the continued abuse of power by FA staff, do they really want to associating with the site at all?

I feel this may be another good time to instill the idea of finding an alternative.


e6efe3 No.499

>>498

Looks like they might move over to Corvidae.

At least they didn't pick Furluminati as their new name. That's already taken as a domain name (and has a nice site attached to it, too!)


7c611f No.501

File: 1441892950005.jpg (100.6 KB, 1066x657, 1066:657, CAW.jpg)

>>499

You mean Corvidae will be the name they'll switch to?

What made them settle on that?

CAW CAW CAW


e6efe3 No.502

>>501

Sorry, I meant they're moving to Corvidae.org


f08c8a No.503

>>502

>Corvidae.org

I don't see anything except some guy's resume.


f08c8a No.504

>>503

>résumé


e6efe3 No.505

>>503

There are other things there, if you know the subdomains. Nrr doesn't just go leaving shit way open to the public like that, it seems.


f08c8a No.506

>>505

I'm not too keen on secret forums. I know from experience in the past that they are usually garbage or massive circlejerks.

I think I'll pass this time, especially if most of its members are former FA Forum users.


e6efe3 No.507

>>506

You can always help populate furluminati.com


208aab No.508

>>507

I don't really care enough to make an account somewhere to talk to other furries. Besides we all know that the usual topic will be drama shit.


e6efe3 No.509

>>508

It's not really all drama. That incarnation of the board died years ago. Now days, it's mostly art, music, videos, con plans, occasionally poking fun at FA's problem of the month, games, and participating in the registered members-only tinychat.


e6efe3 No.514

>>509

Also, things like random meet-ups tend to happen. A couple of members are down my way every couple of months, I watch their dog while they're LARPing about 25-30 minutes away, then they come by and hang out when they've got free time.


208aab No.516

>>514

Are they mostly from the US?


e6efe3 No.517

>>516

Currently, yes. We need more international members!


e6efe3 No.524

https://phoenix.corvidae.org/

Yup, they moved.

Registration still locked down tight, though.


e6efe3 No.526

>>524

And their registration is now back up.


e6efe3 No.551

So the FAF, even after moving, had to get shut down due to IMVU's desire for mine-able personally-identifiable user data.

The phoenix isn't very likely to rise, now.


97fa48 No.552

>>551

Gotta love dataminers.


e6efe3 No.553

>>552

Yup, and this is why I stick with Furluminati. You can almost guarantee that the other big sites have their own datamining practices in place, as quiet as they may be.


470937 No.554

>>553

I have never had an account on any of the major site despite being into furry for at least 10 years.


e6efe3 No.555

>>554

That's likely for the best. OTOH, you're still likely getting datamined somehow just visiting the major sites.


e6efe3 No.556

Well, I've done some digging around to try to help out their situation.

It seems there might have been several breaches of contract, and possibly tortious interference of contract on top of it. After several readings of vBulletin's license, plus a couple of confirmation e-mails directly from vBulletin staff, I have pretty solid backing for my belief.

But, first, a quick TL;DR analysis:

The license owned by Carenath means any data created for FAF belongs to him from the time period his license became active. Now, the forum license BEFORE, Dragoneer's claimed registered vBulletin v3, already had the role of FA forums, and thus any data belonging to that time frame up to the activation and usage of Carenath's license is rightfully FA/IMVU's.

Now, here comes the quirky part, if I am understanding everything correctly. Disclaimer, I am quite on Carenath's side, but he's not blame-free, either, and I am going to point out fuckups.

vBull's licensing Section 1.4 and emails state "One Domain, One License. Transferable after 90 days of use, $45 transfer fee, one transfer only." The domain was moved to a different license - not allowed without paying an appropriate transfer fee. Dragoneer and Carenath both fucked up here, with 'Neer likely doubly-so in selling over to IMVU without written vBull permission and paying the fee, knowing his typical incompetence.

vBull's licensing does not allow the transfer of data from the database, nor the selling of information from the database for profit - Carenath and 'Neer again are both at fault for this. The forums should have been separated out, and users that would've liked their posts from the old forums to be on the new forums should have been allowed to copy/paste, from the get-go. Since this was not an officially-sanctioned vBull upgrade path, this was the only allowable course of action.

Now, sections 1.1 and 1.8 of vBulletin's software license agreement make it very clear that the data is owned by the LICENSE OWNER (with 1.8 covering data/database as derivative works and related materials,) and is not to be transferred without sanctioned approval of vBull. For IMVU to take more data than they were legally allowed is a tortious interference of contract on Carenath and vBull's end. I'm rather sure there's no audit trail of that, either.

I really want to point out "1.3 Illegal Activity. You may not use the Software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity where the Software is accessed and/or used. You may not use the Software to engage in any activity that will violate the rights of third parties, including, without limitation, through the use, public display, public performance, reproduction, distribution, or modification of communications or materials that infringe copyrights, trademarks, publicity rights, privacy rights, other proprietary rights, or rights against defamation of third parties."

*CoughFirePyro/Furpimpersonationcoughburp*

Let us note section 12 - Governing Law. "The License and this Agreement are governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of California, United States of America. You hereby consent to the exclusive jurisdiction and venue in the state and federal courts of the County of Los Angeles, California and the Central District of California, respectively."

I know what just happened won't fly in a California court, I live here and I whipped EA's ass here. vBull and IMVU are both HQd here, this court will most certainly have jurisdiction and will hold IMVU/FA/'Neer liable for the breach and interference of vBull's contract with Carenath. California has some STRICT data protection laws and will uphold vBull's ToS which is providing those protections.

But, on the same hand, the court would also likely find against Carenath for those fuck-ups I mentioned. Thankfully, the fee is only $100 per fuckup, per the ToS. IMVU/FA would have bigger problems to face re: that user data gathered against the vBull/Carenath contract. They can claim huge damages in tortious interference of contract between themselves and Carenath, and multiple breaches of the contract are quite apparent.

And I'd be more than willing to bet that IMVU would (given their propensity to plaster porn ads all over the place) put the same ads on the forums, yet violating another T&C in the ToS - no malware distribution through that platform.

This whole cockup makes me smile yet shed a tear at the same time, as the blame runs rather square on both sides, with a bit more falling towards IMVU/FA/Neer being the primary fault.


e6efe3 No.557

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File: 1443225667748-1.png (16.53 KB, 973x305, 973:305, vbulletin.png)

>>556

I did further digging. In fact, I contacted vBulletin directly.

That database and all data created within it on and after the time Carenath's license was put into use belongs to Carenath. Period. End of story.


e6efe3 No.558

>>557

This means Dragoneer/FA/IMVU is guilty of data theft at the minimum.


7c611f No.559

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>>556

>>557

>>558

Well then. How soon until this all goes down in court?

I need to have popcorn ready for the shitstorm.

Also have Neer or IMVU made any recent comment on the situation?


e6efe3 No.561

>>559

We're talking to an attorney in a couple of days.

'Neer claims that what I point out is not true. Tomorrow, I should have the final e-mail from vBulletin I need. I've already pointed out to him how wrong he was on Twitter by posting the e-mails already passed between myself and vBulletin's team.


e6efe3 No.563

File: 1443533785600.png (9.31 KB, 963x252, 107:28, finalword.png)

>>561

There's the final word from vBulletin.

Suck it, Dragoneer.


e6efe3 No.565

And FA is now down with no forums for anyone to go to.


7c611f No.566

>>565

kek

How long was it down for?


e6efe3 No.567

>>566

It was down because 8 SQL queries made the fucking thing hang. It was down for about 15 minutes.




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