No.485121
Why do so many people seem to love the worst character in Star Fox? It honestly disturbs me how much I see >muhKrystalForSmash5 in GameFAQs. Is it Furry's First Lust? She's a terrible character.
No.485133
>>485121
Because she is hot.
No.485136
>>485121
It's for the Starfox furries who aren't gay.
No.485142
>>485121
EVERYONE is furry for Krystal. Even normies and faggots. No exceptions. This is how powerful she is.
No.485152
>>485121
She's entry-level tier which is bad, but her strength is also that she's entry-level tier. She's a bit of a gateway furry.
Also the (sexual) furry component is very aggressively pushed on you with her (yes, I know what she looked like in DP). If you have an ounce of furry in you, playing the games that feature her will either turn you furry for her, or will turn you furry for other characters later down the line.
I am not defending the quality of her character, but she is certainly a good tool for conversion. If conversion is a thing that is. The key to creating more furries is replicating her or the effects her portrayal has on the player. I'm afraid though that the hideous blue abortion that's coming this year isn't gonna be a successful repetition of it.
No.485156
>>485121
Because boners triumph over all, especially reason.
Friendly reminder that there're people who also wanted Zinnia in Smash
No.485245
>tfw there is very little porn of krystal being enslaved, fucked and then impregnated by lizard men
No.485455
>>485121
>Why do so many people seem to love the worst character in Star Fox?
People seem to love Falco because of nostalgia for Star Fox 64 and also due to Meleefaggotry loving him for being top-tier.
No.485468
>>485121
Condensed soup answer:
>exotic warrior princess theme (complete with chain mail bikini)
>telepathic (albeit poorly defined) powers
>smart enough to acclimate to the Starfox crew's equipment including weapons and piloting the Arwing
>British accent
>isn't noticeably clingy or ditzy (besides getting magic'd into the crystal fridge in Adventures)
>has a healthy dose of empathy in her
>has a strong enough will to act against her love interest when he starts to be a dick (though Command leaves it up in the air which of the outcomes is canon)
Let's go at it from a different angle. Why do you dislike her, OP?
No.485471
>>485245
>tfw there is very little porn of krystal being inflated with helium while getting fucked until she explodes like a weather balloon
No.485473
>>485121
>It honestly disturbs me how much I see >muhKrystalForSmash5 in GameFAQs.
>>485156
>Friendly reminder that there're people who also wanted Zinnia in Smash
You both sound as retarded as /v/ does; probably let the autists sway you. Why do you both think that a Star Fox newcomer that wouldn't rehash Fox's moveset is a bad idea?
No.485481
>>485468
>tfw enjoyed the SFC storyline, particularly the Kursed ending
>everyone says it's too dark&edgy and nonsensical
>no matter how hard I try I can't find any major faults with it, the characters act pretty reasonably
just fuck my shit up tbh
No.485482
>>485245
>>485471
>tfw when there's no porn of Krystal unleashing a massive hyperlog at least two-feet in diameter
No.485499
Why is there no quality fan work at all? No music, I was thinking of making a song with her unused lines
No.485608
>>485473
>Implying that fanservice is not the primary reason people want her in Smash
>Automatically assuming that if she were to get into Smash, she wouldn't most likely be another Fox clone
>>485499
>Expecting any quality stuff to come out of a fanservice character
I mean, it's clear your heart's in the right place, but if you want a job done right, you're going to have to do it yourself.
No.485609
>>485121
Vastly superior to Renamon.
No.485610
>>485482
that feel when when? are you retarded?
No.485659
>>485610
>That feel when
>That feel
>feel
Listen up newfag, if you're going to try and correct somebody on acronym useage, at least know what the acronym stands for. Lurk more.
No.485665
>>485659
>tfw means "that feel when"
>saying "tfw when" is like saying "that feel when when"
Reading comprehension is a good skill to have. You should acquire it, anon.
No.485957
>>485608
It's funny you keep using "fanservice" like it's something exclusive to Krystal. Fun fact: Wolf got into Brawl because he was one of the most requested newcomers (at least from the Japanese audience). All those votes for a character who barely acted outside of his ship, and then he ended up borrowing from Fox and Falco. In other words, he was entirely fanservice. It's also funny that people still think Krystal's as popular as she is solely because of furry fetishism when a large chunk of furfags in the community were pushing more to get Wolf back in the Smash ballot.
In fact, I'd say the reason Krystal gets as much hate as she does is simply because her existence as a love interest to Fox ruins the Fox/Falco/Wolf shipping headcannons of the furry community. There are plenty of other characters who serve even less purpose then Krystal (such as Panther, whose existence is solely to chase anything with a vagina, or Andrew and his "MUH UNCLE" complex), but since they all have dicks they get a free pass. And then there are some people who still hate her because they associate her inclusion with the coincidental downfall of the series, which is equally laughable because it was more of Nintendo's fault passing the Star Fox name around to multiple third parties like a bastard child and never showing it the love it deserved.
Now the series is partially in Platinum's hands, and they know Krystal's not at fault for bringing down the series. They would have brought her back for Star Fox Zero, too, if not for Nintendo "reimagining" the series. Platinum loves tits and ass, and I'm sure they would have fucking embraced her sex appeal rather than complaining like the hypocrites who fault her for it. I don't even like her all that much as a character, but all the hate-by-association means the series will never develop on the gameplay that made Assault a great multiplayer game, and Nintendo is rehashing SF64 again but with fewer core features (like no online multiplayer), last-gen graphics, and 100% more barrel roll memes. Hope it's worth it.
No.486107
>>485608
>Implying that fanservice is not the primary reason people want her in Smash
Speak yourself, projecto. I don't even find Krystal attractive; her face is weird, she's too scrawny, and she has no ass. I just want a polearm fighter and a fresh moveset for the Star Fox roster.
>Automatically assuming that if she were to get into Smash, she wouldn't most likely be another Fox clone
Like how Bowser Jr was totally gonna be a Bowser semi-clone?
>>485610
>a typo happened; therefore you are retarded
I have to say it's kinda funny that part of the post was the part that triggered someone
>>485957
But anon haven't you heard? Male anthros in games can't be furbait. Despite the huge amount of gay furries and Star Fox yaoi shippers there's no possible way anyone would what Wolf for sanserif. Well that's what /v/ tells me anyway.
>but all the hate-by-association means the series will never develop on the gameplay that made Assault a great multiplayer game
I only played the multiplayer a few times with my brother (hadn't played single-player since it was his game) but I remember it being a blast. I'm not even a fan of the series but it bothers me greatly their letting nostalgiafaggotry for 64 hold the series back.
No.486108
>>486107
>sanserif
*fanservice, what an odd typo
No.486143
>>485957
I never said Krystal was the only source of fanservice, but she IS one of, if not the, biggest sources of it.
>>486107
>I don't even find Krystal attractive
Good for you, but I can almost assure you that the reason almost every other person who wants her in Smash is because they find her attractive.
>Like how Bowser Jr was totally gonna be a Bowser semi-clone?
Wait, people actually thought this?
How? He's too tiny for that shit.
Whatever. My point was that you don't know for a fact that she would be unique. Yes, it's possible she could have a totally new moveset, but it's also possible that she could just another Fox rehash.
I was saying you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
No.486153
>>486143
>but she IS one of, if not the, biggest sources of it.
That would be Zero Suit Samus.
>Wait, people actually thought this?
Back in the post-Brawl/pre-Smash 4 days I saw many who were worried Sakurai would half-ass him and give him moves like a Whirling Fortress clone for his Up-special.
>I was saying you shouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
Like you were, Mr "People only what her for muh fanserice"?
No.486172
>>486153
>That would be Zero Suit Samus.
I meant in the Star Fox franchise.
>Back in the post-Brawl/pre-Smash 4 days I saw many who were worried Sakurai would half-ass him and give him moves like a Whirling Fortress clone for his Up-special.
I had always figured that if they took the "expected" approach to him, that he'd be similar in some ways to Bowser, but still unique in his own right.
But nope, Sakurai completely (but pleasantly) surprised us. The only thing even remotely expected about him is his Final Smash.
>Like you were, Mr "People only what her for muh fanserice"?
This was based off of observation, not quick conclusion jumping. Almost every person I've encountered want her in for fanservice.
So far, you seem to be the only exception.
No.486175
>>486172
>Almost every person I've encountered want her in for fanservice.
Self-correction: Almost every person who wants her in that I've encountered, wants her in for the fanservice.
No.486183
>>486172
>I meant in the Star Fox franchise.
And yet the conversation was about stopping a character getting into Smash for being fanservicey. You know Bayonetta of all characters is in Smash 4, right?
>But nope, Sakurai completely (but pleasantly) surprised us.
As unique and fresh as Bowser Jr's moveset was, I'm still somewhat disappointed it didn't revolve around the paintbrush instead. I'm also really starting to dislike how Jr can't be in anything without the Junior Clown Car now either.
>The only thing even remotely expected about him is his Final Smash.
Wait, you expecting him to paint the screen for his Final Smash? Not to mention given how he doesn't use the paintbrush at all outside of that it was even more unexpected for me.
> Almost every person I've encountered want her in for fanservice
Did they actually say that or did you just assume?
No.486241
>>486183
>And yet the conversation was about stopping a character getting into Smash for being fanservicey. You know Bayonetta of all characters is in Smash 4, right?
I said nothing about stopping her from getting in, I just thought that it'd be dumb to see her get in simply because people find her attractive.
I haven't played either Bayonetta games and I know nothing of it's fanbase, so I have no real business diving into that subject. All I'll say is that I've heard good things about the games, so at least she has that going for her.
>(Spoiler text)
I hadn't realized it before, but now that you mention it, it does seem like that he's in the Junior Clown Car most of the time in a lot of the recent Mario games.
>Wait, you expecting him to paint the screen for his Final Smash?
I expected him to do SOMETHING with his paintbrush. Not necessarily painting the screen, and not necessarily only in his Final Smash, but I expected he'd do something with it.
>Did they actually say that or did you just assume?
It's heavily implied. Nearly everyone who likes her that I've seen likes her for her appearance, not because of her personality or abilities.
Now, you're probably going to say that I should be taking my own advice and not just jumping to conclusions, and you know what? Maybe I should. But it's pretty hard not to considering the circumstances, as well as the fact that there's almost no evidence (besides yourself) to support otherwise (that I've seen).
Also, it always seems like fanservicey characters are popular among people's Smash roster wishlists. Another example of this is Cia (from Hyrule Warriors).
No.486250
The main reason I want Krystal out of the games is because I can't stand how cheesy, half-assed love subplots are forced into pretty much anything, and fullfilling that is basically her only role in the series as a character. I want my SF64 style banter back, not that shit. It wouldn't be that big of a problem to me if she had any personality beyond "lol i'm just here suck fox's dick i dunno", but she doesn't.
No.486257
>>485121
>Is it Furry's First Lust?
I think it's because people tend to want to fuck anything that is attractive and popular. In the furry community it's, Digimon, Undertale, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Tony the Tiger, etc.
Hence Rule 34.
No.486668
>>486241
>said nothing about stopping her from getting in, I just thought that it'd be dumb to see her get in simply because people find her attractive.
And because of some vocal people who find her hot it's fair to deprive people who want a character for good reasons of said character?
>I hadn't realized it before, but now that you mention it, it does seem like that he's in the Junior Clown Car most of the time in a lot of the recent Mario games.
I liked it at first in New Super Mario Bros Wii, since it meant his boss fights were different from the Koopalings and bringing back the Koopa Clown Car was nostalgic, but now it just feels like it's part of the whole NSMB-fication of the entire franchise.
>I expected him to do SOMETHING with his paintbrush. Not necessarily painting the screen, and not necessarily only in his Final Smash, but I expected he'd do something with it.
Honestly after having the entire moveset revolving around the Clown Car, I think the paintbrush FS was a bit out-of-place. Especially since The Koopalings use it too and can turn into Shadow Mario.
>Now, you're probably going to say that I should be taking my own advice and not just jumping to conclusions, and you know what? Maybe I should. But it's pretty hard not to considering the circumstances, as well as the fact that there's almost no evidence (besides yourself) to support otherwise (that I've seen).
Are you just ignoring all the common newcomer traits she fills?:
- People request new characters that recently debuted prior to Smash, as these tend to the best source for newcomers. Olimar and Ike in Brawl and Awakening characters, Palutena and Shulk in Smash 4 for example. Krystal debuted in the Gamecube era and appear in three games prior to Brawl. It was expected people would request her due to being new.
- Obvious moveset potential. I don't think I even have to elaborate on the staff and why people can would request someone with a unique weapon
- Being a notable character. Now despite all the controversy she's caused, you can't deny she didn't have a significant presence in the Star Fox games she appeared in. In terms of plausible characters, people usually start with the most important ones. And after Fox, Falco and Wolf, really the only competition she has is Slippy.
No.486991
I only hate that she was supposed to be the protagonist of an interesting original game and at some point they decided to cram Star Fox into it, and it was completely jarring because Star Fox does not belong in a fantasy setting, and it turned an action girl into a damsel in distress.
No.487069
>>486671
>implying the porn was in the game
No.487264
>>486991
Anita/Josh pls go and stay go
No.487268
>>487264
>if you're disappointed about what could have been a cool Nintendo swansong for Rare being shoehorned into a Star Fox game you must be Anita
No.487281
>>487268
>implying any late 90s shit from Rare worth a fuck is either Goldeneye/Perfect Dark and Conker
>implying this wouldn't be a weaker knockoff of Zelda and their other platformers anyway just like Star Fox Adventures became
>implying Sabre doesn't exist and didn't look like the lead of Star Fox
>implying Nintendo didn't consider any of the above and thought that converting the project into a Star Fox title would be the only way this game would have been able to sell
Look Josh, I know you hate capitalism, western civilization and the white people who built and inhabit it, and most importantly, heterosexual men in general. But of all the things Nintendo has done to be upset about, it's not this fucking game or anything Rare made considering what they became in the 2000s onward.
No.487285
>>486991
Krystal was just one of two protagonists, the other being her brother or something, essentially the Fox equivalent (probably what gave Miyamoto the idea to make it a Star Fox game in the first place).
It sure pissed me off when Anita bent the truth and made it out to be as if she was meant to be the only main protagonist and playable character.
No.487292
>>487285
Not to mention DP Krystal had elements she had complained about in other games, like her midriff bearing outfit in her concept art, the trailer might given us a glimpse of her 90s polygon ass once or twice (strategic butt coverings anyone?), and most importantly, one of the characters would escort a fucking princess. Said princess would later become Tricky. So the game still had a fucking damsel regardless of Krystal's role in either game.
Don't get me started on what might have happened if the rumors about Krystal having a crush on Sabre were true
No.487294
>>487281
>implying Sabre doesn't exist
I didn't make the original post about Dinosaur Planet, but you do know she was playable right. And not just a piddly small section at the beginning like Star Fox Krystal. I mean fully-fledged playable.
>and didn't look like the lead of Star Fox
Hello Miyamoto.
>implying Nintendo didn't consider any of the above and thought that converting the project into a Star Fox title would be the only way this game would have been able to sell
>implying Nintendo didn't convert the project so Rare would have one less IP to bring to Microsoft with them
>Look Josh
Who?
>I know you hate capitalism, western civilization and the white people who built and inhabit it, and most importantly, heterosexual men in general.
What the fuck?
No.487299
>>486668
>And because of some vocal people who find her hot it's fair to deprive people who want a character for good reasons of said character?
I do suppose it is unfair to those who want her in for legitimate reasons. Even if said "vocal people" feel like a vocal majority
>Obvious moveset potential. I don't think I even have to elaborate on the staff and why people can would request someone with a unique weapon
In spite of all my bitching, if she did manage to get into Smash, and wound up getting a unique and interesting moveset, I honestly wouldn't mind all that much in the grand scheme of things.
Although if she winds up being another Fox clone, I know that a lot of people, myself included, are going to be rather pissed
No.487305
>>487294
>I didn't make the original post about Dinosaur Planet, but you do know she was playable right. And not just a piddly small section at the beginning like Star Fox Krystal. I mean fully-fledged playable.
And so was Sabre. That's the fucking point you dumb nigger; retards deliberately forget or fuckers with an agenda omit the fact that Sabre was a playable character that had his own thing going on. And that you had to escort a princess, a damsel likely to be in distress. Do you even know what was in Dinosaur Planet or what goes on in game development? It was not the first platformer in the world to feature two playable characters and definitely wasn't the last. And it wasn't the first game or the last to feature characters that were scrapped to be replaced by another character with similar traits. See Elza Walker in Resident Evil 1.5 and Claire Redfield in Resident Evil 2.
>Hello Miyamoto
Oh so you do know a thing or two about the development history of Dinosaur Planet. Care to explain why you ignore Sabre or the princess escort except for when it's convenient?
>implying Nintendo didn't convert the project so Rare would have one less IP to bring to Microsoft with them
Again, getting mad at Nintendo over some shitty 15 year old action-platformer as opposed to the other cancerous shit they've done and continue to do. Such as
>amiibos
>"Free to Start"
>Nintendo of America's handling of localizing niche titles that not only have censored and/or butchered dialogue with forced use of aging normalfag memes, but also have entire features ripped out of them
>Features that are essential to the fucking game.
>All in a probable attempt to sink any game not of the Mario, Zelda, Kirby, etc. franchises or 3rd rate casual games
But no, apparently some 15 year old game by a company that didn't make that much good games at the time and didn't make any good or new games afterwards has got to be some sort of offense. All because of muh strong female characters in some shitty game. Never mind the ones we already had and continue to have. Never mind the fact that any SJW or SJW apologist who keep harping on this for 3 and a half years never play these games. And never mind the fact that all of this has been explained to death in said 3+1/2 years and faggots on these very boards and the general public still haven't learned not to entertain the ideas of this contemptuous bullshit. Especially from people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
No.487309
>>487305
You dumb fucker. I'm not saying she didn't share the spotlight with Sabre, just they prior to Nintendo screwing the game over she was actually a fully-fledged playable character rather than Fox's cardboard cutout of a love interest.
>Care to explain why you ignore Sabre
I didn't.
>or the princess escort except for when it's convenient?
Why is one character needing to be rescued relevant to the other one that doesn't?
>Again, getting mad at Nintendo over some shitty 15 year old action-platformer
Considering it affects the Star Fox series to this day and why the newest game is gonna be a Star Fox 64 retread, I's say it's still worth talking about, especially when this thread is about the character that spawned from it.
No.487310
>>487281
>>487294
Read as "cis scum"
No.487325
>>487309
>You dumb fucker. I'm not saying she didn't share the spotlight with Sabre, just they prior to Nintendo screwing the game over she was actually a fully-fledged playable character rather than Fox's cardboard cutout of a love interest.
And you still seem to fail to grasp the basic fact of game design. That when projects are scrapped and reworked into something else, characters may not come back or come back in a very different way. Krystal came back just like Leon did in Resident Evil 2 but their characters were changed. So was the princess, who was reworked into a prince named Tricky. This is not rocket science. And you still seem hung up on the fact Nintendo "screwed over" DP or Rare. From what we saw in Adventures, what the fuck makes you think this game, from the old trailers, would have been any good, or a financial success in the waning days of the Nintendo 64 and the upcoming release of the Gamecube?
>Fox's cardboard cutout of a love interest
Oh you mean like Fara Phoenix? And Katt to Falco? You mean like how damn near any relationship in this series? It's an all ages rail shooter franchise, not fucking Macross.
>Why is one character needing to be rescued relevant to the other one that doesn't?
Because you clearly don't know fuck about Star Fox or what Dinosaur Planet was supposed to be. The primary reason people like you bitch about DP turning into Adventures is because muh Krystal's a damsel now. The princess was a damsel in the original that likely had to be rescued and you have to save and protect Tricky in current version of the game. And while Krystal is damseled, she still does more than the rest of the Star Fox team combined in that game.
>Considering it affects the Star Fox series to this day and why the newest game is gonna be a Star Fox 64 retread, I's say it's still worth talking about, especially when this thread is about the character that spawned from it.
You mean it's a retread of the "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" plot that Star Fox (SNES), Star Fox 2 (SNES, scrapped in favor of 64 because the SNES was at the end of its life, hmm sound familiar? These games also feature 2 female pilots to play as and might have feature Fara as a third. No one cried about them being cut and never coming back) and Star Fox 64 all have? You notice these reboots constantly come about because the games featuring this basic plot are all considered not only the best received but also the best selling? And did you notice there were 2 games after Adventures that, while closer to the Star Fox formula and featured Krystal as a somebody who did stuff (she was even playable in Command and had multiple outcomes to her arc, HOLY SHIT), they were not as well received or sell as well as Star Fox or Star Fox 64. The franchise was feared dead until 64 was remade for the 3DS. So it's only natural they would reboot the series and retell "Star Fox and Lylat vs Andross" once again because it's the one that everyone likes and sells well. Krystal has nothing to do with this new reboot and Fara, Miyu or Fay had nothing to do with Star Fox 2 being canned despite being done in favor of Star Fox 64.
Is all of this seriously this hard to grasp? Is too hard to realize that Nintendo just wants to go the safe, popular, and profitable route when it comes to their works? Why do you think they still make Pokemon or did the Pokemon thing with the new Fire Emblem by selling two versions of the same game requiring you to buy two of the game or the special edition PLUS DLC to get a complete experience? And this shit about a 15 year old game in a franchise you don't know a fucking thing about is what gets to you? Sweet fucking Jesus
No.487338
>>485245
there's plenty of porn of her getting fucked and enslaved by lizard men, not very much of her being impregnated
No.487341
>>485609
>nintoddlers legitimately believe this
No.487342
>>487325
>From what we saw in Adventures, what the fuck makes you think this game, from the old trailers, would have been any good, or a financial success in the waning days of the Nintendo 64 and the upcoming release of the Gamecube?
Whatever it turned out to be would have been a better outcome than we got; the very fact we wouldn't have an out-of-place Zelda rip-off Star Fox game that started the whole era of no-one caring for the franchise already makes this fact.
>Oh you mean like Fara Phoenix?
Who never even made it into the games and was rightfully forgotten?
>And Katt to Falco?
Katt at least has a personality.
>The primary reason people like you bitch about DP turning into Adventures is because muh Krystal's a damsel now.
Or that Nintendo fucked over a game in addition to starting the slump of the Star Fox franchise?
>You mean it's a retread of the "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" plot that Star Fox (SNES), Star Fox 2 (SNES, scrapped in favor of 64 because the SNES was at the end of its life, hmm sound familiar? These games also feature 2 female pilots to play as and might have feature Fara as a third. No one cried about them being cut and never coming back) and Star Fox 64 all have?
And unlike prior reboots, actual new stuff happened this time (eg. Aparoid Invasion) in the games that followed. 64 rebooting the SNES game had nothing to lose. Zero is a reboot to pander to nostalgiafags since 64 is the game they won't get over (notice how the last release in the series was a 64 port and how Fox had his 64 voice actor in Smash 4?). Also I've seen many people who want Miyu and Fay to return.
>You notice these reboots constantly come about because the games featuring this basic plot are all considered not only the best received but also the best selling?
So why doesn't Mario reboot itself every generation?
>You notice these reboots constantly come about because the games featuring this basic plot are all considered not only the best received but also the best selling? And did you notice there were 2 games after Adventures that, while closer to the Star Fox formula and featured Krystal as a somebody who did stuff (she was even playable in Command and had multiple outcomes to her arc, HOLY SHIT), they were not as well received or sell as well as Star Fox or Star Fox 64. The franchise was feared dead until 64 was remade for the 3DS. So it's only natural they would reboot the series and retell "Star Fox and Lylat vs Andross" once again because it's the one that everyone likes and sells well.
Because after 64 Nintendo stopped giving a fuck about Star Fox and outsourced it to other developers. Nintendo nearly killed the series through their own apathy.
>Is too hard to realize that Nintendo just wants to go the safe, popular, and profitable route when it comes to their works?
Is it too hard to realise this is lazy and people like series to evolve over time rather than stagnate?
I don't even get half the shit you're trying to say at this point.
No.487365
>>487342
>Whatever it turned out to be would have been a better outcome than we got; the very fact we wouldn't have an out-of-place Zelda rip-off Star Fox game that started the whole era of no-one caring for the franchise already makes this fact.
And what about Dinosaur Planet wouldn't make it come off as riding on the heels of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask? And would that shit sell if the Nintendo 64 was going out the door in favor of the Gamecube? This simple fact keeps eluding you and I don't know why. And Star Fox got two sequels that were actual Star Fox games and people didn't like them. I have no reason to believe Adventures or Krystal herself had anything to do with that.
>Who never even made it into the games and was rightfully forgotten?
Yes goddammit, forgotten and faggots like you did not bitch about it one bit
>Katt at least has a personality.
That still doesn't change the fact that virtually all of the relationships in Star Fox are simple and one dimensional. This is not Macross, watch Macross or play a Macross game if you want relationship hurdles and complex emotions.
>Or that Nintendo fucked over a game in addition to starting the slump of the Star Fox franchise?
For fucks sake, what Nintendo did to this is jaywalking compared to what they usually do and continue to do and especially compared to what Microsoft did to Rare since they just made them remake Conker, make a half hearted Perfect Dark prequel as a launch title to the Xbox 360 and then fuck off to Kinect titles. Why the fuck do think that Dinosaur Planet would be some kind of magnum opus or hit title and was only stopped because Fox and the Arwing was in it and on the Gamecube?
>And unlike prior reboots, actual new stuff happened this time (eg. Aparoid Invasion) in the games that followed. 64 rebooting the SNES game had nothing to lose. Zero is a reboot to pander to nostalgiafags since 64 is the game they won't get over (notice how the last release in the series was a 64 port and how Fox had his 64 voice actor in Smash 4?). Also I've seen many people who want Miyu and Fay to return.
Did you forget or ignore the fact that Star Fox 2 was already done? So people want Miyu and Fay to come back, whoop dee do, so do I. I just don't think Nintendo "ruined" or "fucked over" anything or anyone simply because they didn't. Zero, while a reboot, also seems to be a throwback to elements of the SNES Star Fox. The design of Corneria seems to be a mix of all the games that featured it. The Arwing getting it's walker form back and the platforming levels plus the way Star Wolf rivals arrive one pilot at a time with a focus on their craft coming in with a frontal shot is directly from the canned Star Fox 2. Only time will tell if this will do any good, but given the performance of Star Fox, 64, and 64 3DS, the answer might be yes.
>So why doesn't Mario reboot itself every generation?
How the fuck do you reboot Mario when the Mario formula is make shitton of 2d/2.5d sidescrollers, the occasional 3d games that sell well but not as much as their sidescrolling counterparts, and shit load of spinoffs like: Mario Golf, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Mario Tennis, whatever the fuck the Mario Soccer games are called. Star Fox doesn't do that because whenever they step too far from their rail shooting their way through the Lylat System, they tend to do poorly or just not as well as the good ol' Star Fox vs. Andross
A pair of sources on how the mainline Mario games sell
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Mario
http://www.gamecubicle.com/features-mario-units_sold_sales.htm
>Because after 64 Nintendo stopped giving a fuck about Star Fox and outsourced it to other developers. Nintendo nearly killed the series through their own apathy.
Once again: http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Nintendo_games
Star Fox as a whole just doesn't sell all that well. They could have made each and every title themselves and made as much spinoffs as they did with Mario and it likely would not have changed a damn thing. This is not hard to understand
>Is it too hard to realise this is lazy and people like series to evolve over time rather than stagnate?
Like Mario? Like Call of Duty? Did what 343 do to Halo work out any better than the original trilogy and 2 spinoffs with Bungie? It turns out if a formula sells, it's best not to fuck with it. So your talk about people wanting evolution and innovation doesn't match with what sells, and it definitely doesn't match what happened with Star Fox.
>I don't even get half the shit you're trying to say at this point.
That's because you don't know a fucking thing about Star Fox or how the gaming industry works. You think your ideological bullshit trumps capitalism, when a publisher just wants a product that sells to appease and attract shareholders and investors and they won't get that with the shit you or other agenda pushing fuckwits spew.
No.487868
>fanservice character
>was her game in the first place
No.487871
>>487365
This is ultra autism where no new game can be made
Dinosaur Planet was going to be about you know working with dinosaurs to fight other dinos
No.487916
>>487871
>where no new game can be made
Dear Lord, the lack of reading comprehension. It's not about not making new games, it's about ensuring a game can sell more than not at all by repurposing it for an existing franchise on a shiny new games console. This should not be so fucking hard to understand. You don't make a new game, a new IP, from a studio that generally doesn't make best sellers, on console that is about to be replaced by it's successor in less than a year. Please tell me what part of that is confusing so I can elaborate.
And don't talk that shit about no new games being made when there are daily Splatoon threads on /v/
>Dinosaur Planet was going to be about you know working with dinosaurs to fight other dinos
Gee, I wonder how a wolf with a sword and a blue furred waifu with a staff are gonna fight them dinos. Wonder how that kind of game would play out. Oh yeah, exactly the same as what we fucking got, just with no sword.
No.488067
>>487916
You can't know that dipshit
No.488068
>>487916
Oh I see you're under the delusion that money is the focus
Is that really how you want to live?
No.488407
>>488067
I can't know what? That a company did something that every other company does and they only got shit for it because retards and feminists/feminist apologists got butthurt that muh blueberry waifu was damseled despite playing a bigger role than plenty of other characters that weren't damseled in the same game?
>>488068
>the delusion that money is the focus
Because clearly no other game has ever been reworked in the hopes that it will generate more sales. I mean capitalism is a myth right? Reminder that Nintendo is the fucking company that sells on disc DLC locked behind collectible figurines.
>Is that really how you want to live?
Well, I don't assume Nintendo is some kind of misogynist war criminal just because I didn't get a quasi-Zelda with a blue waifu doing backflips and jabbing energy balls. I do think they're woefully incompetent in how they handled the Wii and Nintendo of America's fuckery in general, plus the aforementioned on disc DLC. If you don't want to believe or even care that Nintendo jews out just as much as any other AAA publisher that's fine. But don't try to insist that isn't how anyone else in the industry would have handled it, when everyone else in the industry has done exactly what Nintendo did to Dinosaur Planet.
No.488680
>>487365
>Yes goddammit, forgotten and faggots like you did not bitch about it one bit
Considering I didn't even know about Star Fox until I played Smash Bros, kinda hard for me to care about a character that not only that I didn't know about, but that didn't even appear in a game.
>And Star Fox got two sequels that were actual Star Fox games and people didn't like them.
Because Nintendo didn't give a damn about the series at that point to overlook development. Why do you think they outsourced to Namco for Assault?
>Why the fuck do think that Dinosaur Planet would be some kind of magnum opus or hit title
I haven't said this once. Just that it would been better than wat we got because Star Fox elements wouldn't have been poorly shoe-horned in.
>Did you forget or ignore the fact that Star Fox 2 was already done?
They didn't release it. And like you said it was just the "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" plot again.
>How the fuck do you reboot Mario when the Mario formula is make shitton of 2d/2.5d sidescrollers
How the fuck do you reboot Star Fox when the Star Fox formula is make railshooters?
>Only time will tell if this will do any good, but given the performance of Star Fox, 64, and 64 3DS, the answer might be yes.
Yeah, because they played it safe and just did Star Fox 64 2.
>Like Mario?
Yes. Remember when 2D Mario games didn't all look the same and use the same assets?
>Like Call of Duty?
Yes. Yearly installments are cancer.
>Did what 343 do to Halo work out any better than the original trilogy and 2 spinoffs with Bungie?
They milked a franchise most of us were content with and tried to shoehorn CoD elements into it. Fuck 343.
No.489067
>>488680
>Considering I didn't even know about Star Fox until I played Smash Bros, kinda hard for me to care about a character that not only that I didn't know about, but that didn't even appear in a game.
So you don't care that a character was removed from the games entirely, but get ultra butthurt that another character's role changed in another game? What the actual fuck
>Because Nintendo didn't give a damn about the series at that point to overlook development. Why do you think they outsourced to Namco for Assault?
First off, a series that has only sold around 12 million across the franchise's lifespan won't exactly be a priority in the eyes of a publisher. Yet the fact that they're making Zero implies they still care to some extent. Unless you think outsourcing development to Platinum and possibly Kamiya is some sort of mistake.
>I haven't said this once. Just that it would been better than wat we got because Star Fox elements wouldn't have been poorly shoe-horned in.
And you still haven't proven to me how dumping Fox and the Arwing would somehow make Dinosaur Planet not a Zelda clone. Or that it would sell on a console that's one year away from obsolescence
>They didn't release it.
Because the Nintendo 64 was coming out and they wanted a shiny launch title. Why the hell is this some kind of enigma that's too difficult to grasp?
>How the fuck do you reboot Star Fox when the Star Fox formula is make railshooters?
You don't know what a reboot is.
>Yeah, because they played it safe and just did Star Fox 64 2.
Because Star Fox 64 was their best received and best selling and thought another like that would do better than the ones that weren't?
>Yes. Remember when 2D Mario games didn't all look the same and use the same assets?
>Yes. Yearly installments are cancer.
You suggested that people were tired of getting the same thing over and over. Yet they keep buying the same type of game over and over and that's why they keep making the same fucking game.
>They milked a franchise
You saw that, and you and/or many others still bought the fucking thing. You have yourselves to blame. Pic fucking related
No.489107
>>489067
Oooh Kamia-StarFox, how much I would have wanted to see this.
I dreamt of seeing scenes of anthro animals in space suits with grav boots pulling off wacky stunts jumping from spaceship to spaceship, on-rails segments where shit is happening throughout the screen all the time and dialogue during it that has a rough feel of assault but more humorous and on steroids, the musical celebration of each high rank goon you take out after a bossfight, and the threads of /v/irgins and /furry/ assmad at Krystal's suggestive stunts. Seriously I'd like the sexy to be there not even for the sexy itself, but only for the hours over hours of autism it triggers.
One of those awesome games that only exist in our imagination. Along with the western rpg that unifies itself with custom content creation, multiplayer and rts, the third Sphinx game for the Wii or WiiU, The Rayman 4 that is an actual Rayman game and not a minigame collection, and the AssCreed game that is actually good and puts a conclusion to the series for good.
No.489580
>>488407
>money is the goal, not the byproduct
No.490204
>>489067
>but get ultra butthurt that another character's role changed in another game?
Pointing out how a character who's unpopular would have been more popular if she had her original role isn't butthurt, you dolt.
>First off, a series that has only sold around 12 million across the franchise's lifespan won't exactly be a priority in the eyes of a publisher.
I'm talking about them outsourcing post-64, where the series sales (which was only two games back then was) 7.02 million.
>Yet the fact that they're making Zero implies they still care to some extent.
Star Fox Zero is 64 retread. If they cared they would have done more than pander to what makes nostalgiabux.
>Unless you think outsourcing development to Platinum and possibly Kamiya is some sort of mistake.
They're playing it safe, so it doesn't really have a chance to screw up big time
>Because the Nintendo 64 was coming out and they wanted a shiny launch title. Why the hell is this some kind of enigma that's too difficult to grasp?
Because you're not explaining the point of bringing up Star Fox 2.
>You don't know what a reboot is.
When they restart the plot and canon with a clean slate.
>Because Star Fox 64 was their best received and best selling and thought another like that would do better than the ones that weren't?
Yeah, because they didn't give a about the other games and just outsourced them. It's almost as if Nintendo let the series be doomed to stay in Star Fox 64's shadow…
>Yet they keep buying the same type of game over and over and that's why they keep making the same fucking game.
That's because of casuals and die-hard fanboys who buy every installment.
>You saw that, and you and/or many others still bought the fucking thing.
I didn't buy Halo 4 or 5, actually.
>>489107
>grav boots
I actually had this idea for a moveset involving Miyu in Smash. Also involved gravity gauntlets too.
>the third Sphinx game for the Wii or WiiU
There was a second Sphinx game?
No.490266
>>488407
Capitalism is very, very new compared to the concept of money itself. Seriously get straight on what money was actually for
No.490445
>>490204
>Pointing out how a character who's unpopular would have been more popular if she had her original role isn't butthurt, you dolt.
It sure is, everyone can get over a character or three not returning, but you lot bitch every time DP/Adventures is brought up because "mah waifu coulda been action gurrl"
>I'm talking about them outsourcing post-64, where the series sales (which was only two games back then was) 7.02 million.
And yet even the 3D Mario games were outselling Star Fox titles despite the fact those titles never sold as much as their sidescrolling brethren. What makes you think Star Fox would be a priority?
>Star Fox Zero is 64 retread. If they cared they would have done more than pander to what makes nostalgiabux.
This is not something exclusive to Nintendo. Would you rather have casual pandering?
>Because you're not explaining the point of bringing up Star Fox 2.
What? I did. They already finished the game, yet cancelled it because the Nintendo 64 was about to release and it would have been better to make a Star Fox game on the 64 as a launch title. Is it really that hard to get?
>When they restart the plot and canon with a clean slate.
2 things that have nothing to do with gameplay, and that couldn't have worked with Mario anyway since almost all of the games have their own "story" with little to no sense of continuity.
>Yeah, because they didn't give a about the other games and just outsourced them. It's almost as if Nintendo let the series be doomed to stay in Star Fox 64's shadow…
You know, knowing the other franchises that have been killed (like no sequel, no reboot, no anything) and the studios that have been shut down or cannibalized by EA and others like them makes faggots like you really petty in comparison.
>That's because of casuals and die-hard fanboys who buy every installment.
And that's why they sell. And that's why they'll keep making the same shitty game that sells. If people actually wanted shiny and new, they would have stopped buying this shit after the 3rd or 4th rehash and move on to another IP or franchise. But they don't, so they get more of the same, and pay more for less.
>I didn't buy Halo 4 or 5, actually.
Well, gud for you. You want a cookie, or better yet convince the other retards still buying that shit that their precious franchise can only lead to more ruin than what already happened in Halo 5?
No.490522
>>490445
>mah waifu
You wish. I don't find Krystal attractive. Something's not quite right with her face, she's rather scrawny, and she has no ass.
>And yet even the 3D Mario games were outselling Star Fox titles despite the fact those titles never sold as much as their sidescrolling brethren.
Because it's Mario. He can easily sell a game on brand recognition.
>This is not something exclusive to Nintendo.
Doesn't mean it's okay.
>Would you rather have casual pandering?
I would have rathered innovation.
>They already finished the game, yet cancelled it because the Nintendo 64 was about to release and it would have been better to make a Star Fox game on the 64 as a launch title.
And what does this have to do with what I said about retconning three Star Fox games? Like you said, Star Fox 2 was another "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" game.
>and that couldn't have worked with Mario anyway since almost all of the games have their own "story" with little to no sense of continuity.
So you say Star Fox being rebooted works because the plot is "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" most of the time, but Mario can't when the plot is "Save Peach from Bowser" most of the time?
>You know, knowing the other franchises that have been killed (like no sequel, no reboot, no anything) and the studios that have been shut down or cannibalized by EA and others like them makes faggots like you really petty in comparison.
Fallacy of relative privation.
>And that's why they sell. And that's why they'll keep making the same shitty game that sells.
And that's EA-tier awful.
>If people actually wanted shiny and new, they would have stopped buying this shit after the 3rd or 4th rehash and move on to another IP or franchise.
They do, but the casuals still buy it, even though they won't play it for more than a few weeks.
No.490660
>>490522
>So you say Star Fox being rebooted works because the plot is "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" most of the time, but Mario can't when the plot is "Save Peach from Bowser" most of the time?
Not him, but doesn't Star Fox care a little bit more about its other games more than Mario, where you could play out of order and miss very little?
>>And that's why they sell. And that's why they'll keep making the same shitty game that sells.
>And that's EA-tier awful.
How the hell is giving people what they want awful? When you put something out and it sells, you stick to the core for a sequel. Even if Nintendo wasn't rigid as hell you stick to deviating heavily from the norm for a spin-off.
No.490878
>>490522
>You wish. I don't find Krystal attractive
You just admitted there is no point in bitching about Krystal. Why the hell do you insist on whining about the role of a character you don't even care about?
>Because it's Mario. He can easily sell a game on brand recognition
>brand recognition
Amazing that you can notice that when it comes to Mario, yet fail to see the exact same thing with Star Fox.
Fun Fact: Super Mario Bros. 2 is basically a reskin of a Japanese exclusive game called Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic. So it's not the first time Nintendo altered a game to sell under a popular franchise.
>Doesn't mean it's okay.
>I would have rathered innovation
And no one cares about your fee fees
>And what does this have to do with what I said about retconning three Star Fox games?
It really takes a special kind of retard to have the same thing constantly explained to them. I mean what is hard about rebooting a franchise to sell a new console? If you meant Adventures, Assault and Command, they didn't sell well, so revitalizing the franchise and attracting newcomers with a reboot on the WiiU is an attempt to both get the series to sell again and get the WiiU to sell.
>So you say Star Fox being rebooted works because the plot is "save Corneria and the Lylat System from the evil Andross" most of the time, but Mario can't when the plot is "Save Peach from Bowser" most of the time?
Star Fox from 64 onward featured other plots and narratives with continuity, Mario (barring spinoffs) hasn't unless there's one I missed. If we're talking game mechanics the largest deviations Mario has done has been in the 3D games where one involved a water spitting backpack and other involved space.
>And that's EA-tier awful.
Again, muh fee fees. Why would a company stop doing what they're doing solely because of your hurt fee fees?
>but the casuals still buy it, even though they won't play it for more than a few weeks
>the casuals still buy it
>still buy
This is the only part these companies will ever care about, not the other fee fee shit, or the longevity of the game unless a DLC milking plan is in order. Amazing you can't grasp something that you already wrote.
>>490660
>doesn't Star Fox care a little bit more about its other games more than Mario, where you could play out of order and miss very little
With a few possible exceptions and of course the spinoffs, Mario tends to be virtually the same game with each game featuring some kind of gimmick.
>When you put something out and it sells, you stick to the core for a sequel
It's amazing how long winded someone has to be just to explain what I thought was a basic fucking concept like this. All because some blue furbait no one cared about didn't get to be Link 2.0 and they didn't even know or care about her Link 2.0 history because some sleazy Armenian whined about it.
No.490898
well now someone made a race in skyrim
No.490992
>>486671
>>485121 Because Nintendo was too stupid to use Fara or bring back Miyu
Aside from the sometimes-depending-on-angle-and-lighting horrible choice in pants, can't recall anything wrong with her.
>>485455
you forgot "memefaggotry" as well.
Nearly every passive-aggressive little pissant thing he says seems destined for memehood.
Peppy might be most infamous, but Falco tries to top that with a scattergun effect.
>>486257
>>486671
You know, with that in mind, how come the meme Comet was trying to force with Meeya never took off?
I know there was a bit of a saturation in pink catgirls back then with Bagi and Clawdia leading the way, but it seems like she got left behind. Everyone drew exactly one picture of her and just left it at that. Seems most never bothered to actually find the show she was from, (rpg densetsu hepoi) which seemed to be somewhat like a Lodoss omake crossed with Dragon Ball or Dr Slump.
No.491138
>>490660
>Not him, but doesn't Star Fox care a little bit more about its other games more than Mario, where you could play out of order and miss very little?
Sure, but it's still not too much, especially when it's been rebooted twice now. Heck, even Zelda has more continuity yet it barely ever matters because the majority of them are self-contained. Really, only Metroid seems to care about continuity.
>How the hell is giving people what they want awful? When you put something out and it sells, you stick to the core for a sequel. Even if Nintendo wasn't rigid as hell you stick to deviating heavily from the norm for a spin-off.
What I mean is, you know how every 2D Mario game is now a NSMB game, and 3D World, while great, is sorta like the 3D equivalent? Things start to feel bland and homogenised. The last Star Fox game was a port of 64, we didn't need the new one to be SF64 2.
No.491170
>>490878
>You just admitted there is no point in bitching about Krystal. Why the hell do you insist on whining about the role of a character you don't even care about?
>hurr durr you should only care about a character if you find them attractive.
>Fun Fact: Super Mario Bros. 2 is basically a reskin of a Japanese exclusive game called Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic. So it's not the first time Nintendo altered a game to sell under a popular franchise.
The difference is this one didn't screw over a new IP, since Doki Doki Panic was just a licensed game; the characters in it are the mascots of Fuji Television's Dream Factory '87 tv event. And even then, the Doki Doki version was still made, so that's a bad comparison anyway.
>And no one cares about your fee fees
And no-one cares here about your willingness to pay for the same shit over and over. You're the useful idiot publishers love.
>I mean what is hard about rebooting a franchise to sell a new console?
Plenty of game series don't do this though.
>so revitalizing the franchise and attracting newcomers with a reboot on the WiiU is an attempt to both get the series to sell again and get the WiiU to sell.
And why pander to 64 fanboys if we're attracting newcomers?
>Star Fox from 64 onward featured other plots and narratives with continuity, Mario (barring spinoffs) hasn't unless there's one I missed.
Well Zelda's a better example then. There is a lot of extra stuff but a good portion of them are "Rescue Zelda and defeat Ganondorf" with some side-plot. Plus most of them aren't direct sequels so you aren't really lost if you play a later game in the timeline.
No.491190
>>490898
Her face looks kinda nice there. It looks more friendly, and doesn't have that something-not-quite-right look she has in the actual games.
>>490992
Fara's official design was hideous. If she comes back she needs a redesign, stat.
No.491192
>>491190
>Fara's official design was hideous
This nigga gets it.
No.491756
>>491170
>hurr durr you should only care about a character if you find them attractive.
Well you didn't deny that you didn't care about Krystal. so you're just a whiny faggot looking for an excuse to bitch and have your fee fees coddled.
>The difference is this one didn't screw over a new IP, since Doki Doki Panic was just a licensed game
>new IP
>licensed game
Those two terms contradict each other
Anyway, Doki Doki was never released internationally, so the effect is more or less similar. Doki Doki didn't get canned like DP because the NES wasn't being phased out by the SNES at the time and there was no expectation it would have sold poorly in Japan.
>And no-one cares here about your willingness to pay for the same shit over and over. You're the useful idiot publishers love.
I don't pay for this shit. Stating what I thought was the obvious is not an implicit support of their business practices. Something you and SJWs fail to grasp.
>Plenty of game series don't do this though.
Ok, now you can't pretend not to grasp this concept and then do in the exact same post, it just makes you look like a retard with no sense of coherence. Ever notice these game series that don't do this don't try to release brand new IPs right when the new console is 6-8 months away from release? Ever notice these series that don't reboot and still sell the game at the end of a console's lifespan end up releasing an "HD Rerelease" on the new console anyway. This is also one of the reasons the new consoles don't have backwards compatibility. And even at their worst, they don't tank so badly that they have no choice but to reboot.
>And why pander to 64 fanboys if we're attracting newcomers?
It worked when 64 came out didn't it? You can pander to more than one demographic, it's just not ideal, especially if you're going for the "please everyone" route. That shit just won't work.
No.491852
>>491756
>Those two terms contradict each other
I don't think there were gonna be any more games about Dream Factory '87 mascots after this one, even if it didn't become a Mario game in America.
>Anyway, Doki Doki was never released internationally, so the effect is more or less similar.
No it isn't. If Dinosaur Planet was only Star Fox Adventures in some countries while the original game was released in others it would be a solid comparison.
>It worked when 64 came out didn't it?
You can't really pander to fanboys that didn't become fanboys of the game until after they played it.
No.491892
>>491852
>I don't think there were gonna be any more games about Dream Factory '87 mascots after this one, even if it didn't become a Mario game in America.
The point was that licensed games are not new IPs. Doki Doki being a one off title doesn't change that
>You can't really pander to fanboys that didn't become fanboys of the game until after they played it.
What? So were there no fanboys of the SNES Star Fox then? Where the hell did those almost 3 million sales come from? And not one of them returned to play Star Fox 64?
No.491903
>>491192
Chihuahuas are hot though
No.491908
>>491892
The point was Star Fox 64 wasn't simply a rehash of the SNES game (besides the plot).
No.491916
>>485121
Only idiots believe she ruined the series. There's always some asshat using porn as their defense.
These three (Fox, Falco, and Wolf) aren't immune to the same shit.
People need to get their head out of their ass.
No.491929
>>491916
>These three (Fox, Falco, and Wolf) aren't immune to the same shit. People need to get their head out of their ass.
Especially /v/, who hurr and durr if you have Krystal on your Smash roster wishlist because "muh furries", completely .unaware of how many gay furries there are that are into Fox, Falco and especially Wolf.
No.491957
>>491929
>gay furries, especially Wolf
You're right of course, but why though? After so many walls of text about Krystal, anyone want to explain why Wolf is so popular for gay Starfox stuff?
No.491975
>>491957
I guess because he's tough and rugged, so he appeals to the people who like manly guys and barafags?
>that pic
>tfw you're straight but see a pic where they have a feminine butt
No.492116
Man, some of the people in this thread. smh
Holding Krystal responsible for lower sells of the series is a stupid argument. It's stupid how idiots band together and try to pass this retarded notion as truth. The 3DS has a large install base, yet the remake/port (Star Fox 64 3D) didn't do so well at all. I wouldn't be surprised if SFZ doesn't sell well. I'm not hyped for this upcoming game. This is mainly due to the fact that it's not a continuation of the story. Storywise, I want something that comes after the Aparoids (nothing that follows Commands route). For those who try to say I'm not a real Star Fox fan: Fuck you, I own/played every Star Fox game including Star Fox 2.
It's hilarious how people try to hate on Adventures because Fox was outside his Arwing. SF64 introduced on-foot first (multiplayer). "It's too different. It's not on rails anymore." In Star Fox 2 you spend most of the time in all range mode. You also need to solve simple puzzles as a Walker. Star Fox 2 is way different from the original.
Krystal mostly gets hate simply because she's female, and that she's Fox's love interest. Imagine if Krystal was a tribal male instead… Furfags would accept that more because it's just another male to their yaoi headcanon collection. There isn't much character development to Panther, and yet, he's seen as a "badass" among these shippers. In fact, I've seen genderswap Krystal get way more positive attention from haters and shippers. The "superior version" of Krystal. How Krystal "should've been from the very start."
Headcanon/Star Fox yaoi shippers take petty shit WAY too seriously. It's Fucking pathetic.
No.492149
>>491192
Not to mention the comic she was in implied some weird ass Oedipus complex in Fox
>>491903
>Chihuahua
Sorry, fennec
No.493297
>>491957
Furfags just like wolf characters?
>>492116
I never believed that Krystal had anything to do with the franchise's sales. There's too much shit going on with every post-64 Star Fox game that you can't pin the series' commercial failure on any one thing.
>I wouldn't be surprised if SFZ doesn't sell well.
I'd be shocked if it doesn't sell the WiiU with the game if the game is actually good
>It's hilarious how people try to hate on Adventures because Fox was outside his Arwing
Even funnier when you consider those very people would insist the original Dinosaur Planet would have been better if Krystal was doing the exact same thing and there was no Arwing minigame.
>>492149
>weird ass Oedipus complex
There's worse in the catalog
No.493302
>>492116
>Holding Krystal responsible for lower sells of the series is a stupid argument.
Honestly, I see more people complaining about these supposed complainers than Krystal haters themselves.
>I'm not hyped for this upcoming game. This is mainly due to the fact that it's not a continuation of the story.
You might be playing the wrong genre, m8. Expecting or having story as a priority in a shmup is pretty silly.
>It's hilarious how people try to hate on Adventures because Fox was outside his Arwing.
Yeah, I agree. Adventures is a shit game, but not because on-foot gameplay is necessarily bad; of course it isn't. It's just the execution was bad.
>There isn't much character development to Panther
There isn't much character development to anyone in the series. The point of some of the complaints about Krystal (mine included) is that she's an absolutely bland character. No personality whatsoever — something that Panther at least has.
No.493318
>>492116
Just curious: what is it exactly that you dislike about Command?
No.493319
you know it would've been better for furries, star fox, and just the gaming community in general if Nintendo just let Rare release dinosaur planet
then it's just an obscure cult title from the end of the N64. maybe some porn exists (okay definitely porn exists) but none of it is tied with star fox because it's not a big budget AAA launch title anymore.
We get a real Star Fox game earlier in the GC's life, Krystal never becomes cancer (and probably gets more char. development too since Adventures really was a disgusting shoehorning), everyone wins.
fuck you Miyamoto, you could have stopped this
No.493354
>>485121
She's gateway.
Also, stop lurking, faggots. Post. Post anything.
Leftypol must be defeated.
No.493486
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>>493297
>I'd be shocked if it doesn't sell the WiiU with the game if the game is actually good
Smash is a huge series. Star Fox doesn't have that caliber. The WiiU is still Nintendo's worst selling console. I don't see Star Fox Zero moving millions of consoles upon release. SF64 is called "the greatest SF game." and yet SF64 3D didn't even do better than its N64 counterpart in sells… on a handheld that did better than the WiiU in sells. SF64 3D is nowhere near SF64 in sells.
>Even funnier when you consider those very people would insist the original Dinosaur Planet would have been better if Krystal was doing the exact same thing and there was no Arwing minigame.
You lost me. I'm not assuming Dinosaur Planet would've been better. I didn't even mention Dinosaur Planet.
>>493302
>Honestly, I see more people complaining about these supposed complainers than Krystal haters themselves.
Then you're obviously oblivious to the stupidity Krystal receives.
>You might be playing the wrong genre, m8. Expecting or having story as a priority in a shmup is pretty silly.
How so? I've been following this series ever since I was a kid (early 90's). To me, Star Fox is more than blowing up baddies, high scores and old ass memes. It's not every year we get a Star Fox game. Wanting a story that takes place after Assault isn't ludicrous.
>Thinks Krystal is bland, but Panther has personality.
Please, Panther has nothing. He's just there as a triangle character. The first thing he did when he made his debut was flirt with Krystal. Constantly trying to cozy up to Krystal isn't personality/background. Without Krystal, Panther would be just some Star Wolf member.
>>493318
>Just curious: what is it exactly that you dislike about Command?
The writing, and those dreadful endings.
No.493724
>>493354
Fuck off, we're having a discussion for once on this miserable porn dump of a board.
No.493741
>>485957
This guy gets it.
I am 99.999999999999999% sure a sizable number of furfags hate her solely because she confirms fox isn't gay. Not everyone, but a decent chunk.
On top of that, I really just can't understand why people would say she's a bad character in context. Like, who the fuck are they comparing her to? Everyone in Star Fox is as one note as a fucking G1 transformer. Falco is a smart alec. Peppy is old. Slippy is a dweeb. Wolf is cocky. Krystal has a microcosm more depth to her by being cool on the outside and passionate on the inside, which as in Assault onwards she's a psion rather than a sorceress effectively makes her act pretty much like a Jedi… but also in context, that's REALLY not a big step up from the more one note characters.
No.493743
>>492116
You think the same folks that hate krystal for being a girl insist that sheik is sexualized male?
No.493744
No.493771
>>493486
>The writing
Well, that much is obvious, but what about it?
No.493880
>>485245
There's a ton of this kind of porn and it's all complete shit what are you even going on about? I can't blame you, you cannot get enough of Krystal being raped.
No.496040
>>493743
>>493744
A lot of people know Sheik is female.
She's Zelda.
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>>493771
The story is off, and it makes the characters look bad. Take that jealous Falco ending for example. He leaves Star Fox over something so stupid.
No.503557
So many Star Fox furfags think Fox McCloud is sub (submissive).
No.503565
>>485136
>Katt Monroe
>Amanda Toad
>Lucy Hare
The difference between these three from Krystal is that they have something to offer, were not raised on some back-woods planet and knows fuck all about anything, and they don't have the capacity to make any of the characters a cuck like Krystal does in one of the endings of Starfox Command.
But thats just 5 minutes of googling.
>>491916
Yeah, Krystal is really just overrated. I think the argument of Krystal is that she only brought in fair-weather-fans that got a boner and derailed many Starfox conversations with Krystal circlejerks.
>>491957
Wolf is a pretty interesting character. His rugged looks, especially his redesign, his general no-nonsense attitude, his grizzled old veteran status since he knew Fox's dad. In the game he's never really just out to kill you, he's just pushing you away and acting as a defense as he was hired for, otherwise he'd be hunting you down on every planet every opportunity his ship is repaired.
He's like that cool uncle whose the black sheep of the family. Also he'd make a good DILF
No.503773
>>503565
>Katt Monroe - Doesn't have a huge background. Not much is known about her. Turns out she is gonna be a damsel in distress some point in Star Fox Zero. Yet, she gets a free pass because she's in SF64.
>Amanda Toad - She's just Slippy's love interest. She gets a free pass because M+M fur & barafags aren't really interested in wanting to fuck Slippy Toad (her boyfriend).
>Lucy Hare - No character depth here, but she gets a free pass for being the daughter of a meme character.
The only circlejerking I see are Star Fox furfags who prefer Male + Male sex. From what I've seen: Bi furries don't really hate on Krystal like that. That kind of petty hatred comes from those full-on M+M fur & barafags. These are the freaks who use stupid reasons against Krystal. Male Krystal somehow = instant badass among these nonsensical furfags.
No.503783
>>503773
>Yet, she gets a free pass because she's in SF64.
Reminds me of how I once saw someone using Krystal being an unnatural colour as a point against her even though Katt is Pink (and Falco is bloody blue too).
No.504711
>>503783
To add, the frog chick from Command was pink too
No.504746
>>485468
Command's Canon ending is the Fox marries Krystal ending, but command period has since been retconned entirely
No.504983
>>504746
Source on claim? I figured with the game shoehorning your first playthrough to the ending with Krystal leaving again it might have been the ending they were leaning on
No.505684
Foxes are hot, and she's a blue fox. What could be hotter?
No.507804
Fuck everyone in this thread:
Muh Pokemon.
No.507833
I think the prob is they turned her more into a slutty looking snob in following games.
As far as I could gather anyway, wasn't so interested in playing them.
In Adventures she was just an understandably buttmad hero that required help.
Still I would've preferred playing dinosaur planet before Nintendo tampered with it.
No.507839
>>504746
>The Kursed ending wasn't canon
Damn it. I wanted my edgy Jak II meets Metroid spinoff. : ^)
No.508061
>>503783
Falco looks more like a pheasant than a falcon
But yeah, issue is Krystal has no personality and lost what flavour she had in the sequels, where she obviously doesn't fit into the party dynamic.
No.508084
>>508061
I know he's a Pheasant, but they are only blue on the head, not the entire body.
No.508913
>>508061
When I look at Fox, Falco, Peppy, and Slippy. I don't see character depth, I just see memes. It's like memes are the only things that matter in Star Fox. Hell, I see a lot of people getting annoyed and pissed off that some of the dialog in SFZ isn't exactly the same as SF64. The problem people have with Krystal is she doesn't have what some consider "quotable lines." Add the fact that she's also female. I don't see people getting all pissy wanting Panther gone, and all he does is come on to Krystal.
No.508959
>>485245
What planet are you on? That shits dime a dozen to where I have to ignore it where possible.
No.508960
>>485957
Literally could not have said it any better, well done anon.
No.511685
>>485121
I was 13 when Starfox Adventures came out, my teenage hormones were no match. 12 years later I can still jerk off to in-game screenshots of her. Thank God for Dolphin.
No.513673
>>513657
>>513656
Please tell me it's a woman under that suit?