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been waiting for a stream commission i paid for but every time i go to the stream again, the artist just opens up new slots and doesnt finish the others

tfw

>>488985

That sounds shitty anon, I'd say note em or leave a shout on their page

Bunch of icon commission gifts for others, telegram stickers for myself, two upcoming commissions for myself.

>commission a cute bandanna thing

>3 months of nothing

pls

>>489008

Bandanna thing?

waiting on something, it should be done soon since I've seen the others on his list start to come out. I've got some other stuff I'm waiting on, but I don't expect those to come out for a long while. Not that I mind though since I already knew there would be a wait. Got my eye open for the chance to commission some more artists in the future.

I haven't had any bad experiences with artists, though that might be because I frequent here, so I know who not to deal with.

I can safely say that through my years in the fandom i've only commissioned nice artists.

But there's one exception: Jasonafex is the only time i've argued with an artist.

>>489526

Back when I first entered the fandom I made the mistake of attempting to commission Jasonafex/Kabier. They shot me down saying my character looked stupid and that birds were to difficult to draw. Really made me hate them. In retrospect I'm a bit happy it ended that way though, I was new to the fandom and didn't know how many actually good artist were out there. I'd rather not have something of that abysmal quality hanging in my gallery anyway.

>>489526

What did he argue with you about, anon? I need to know more about this walking shitbag

>>489930

That's really cute, gosh. I'll have to check them out.

>>489930

Fuck thats cute

>>489938

10/10

>>490286

birbs shouldnt be that ripped holy jesus

>>490286

Holy shit I prolly jerked off to that picture like 3 times just today.

>>490286

Goddamn, Anon

I'm gonna be noting him ASAP

>>489938

artist on the second one?

>>491020

that'd be zangusuu friend, he goes to /furry/

what do you guys look for in artists when you're thinking of getting a commission?

>>491033

Skill/art style obviously. But the most important for me is definitely attitude and any prior history of mistreating commissioners or just general jackassery (basically if they have an artists beware entry or ED article). Also check if they have a PUBLIC commission queue and if it's kept up to date; and if they *consistently* get commissions done, not necessarily fast. Another good thing to check his how well written and professional their ToS are. Usually avoid commissioning people who use smileys and emotes in them.

>>491033

Art quality trumps all, obviously. Other than that, the two most important things are value and turnaround.

>>491041

I dunno, as someone who commissions and does commissions, attitude is the most important thing for me. If they're going to treat me like shit, and act like they don't appreciate my business, then I just won't give it to them anymore. I've had to stop commissioning several artists because of this; and refuse to commission many more because I've seen how they treat their customers.

>>491027

>vaguely realistic rodent dick

oh wow, never seen that before. pretty good

>>491033

If I like their style and they're not overpriced.

>>491027

communication and price

I could care less about art quality. There are some many artists out there who are known specifically for their unique style like Slugbox for example.

I won't to know that you are going to leave me hanging or just completely forget about me. The best artists I have commissioned are once that have told me

>Hey! Got some Sketches/Lineart/etc to show you tell me what you think

If I have to remind you after a month or so if you are still doing the commission are not. Its already becoming problematic. I understand if you have life issues or what not but you gotta let the commissioner know some way that work is being done. There is nothing worse than silence.

>>491302

I also realize I can't spell today. Fuck my life. But yeah. Communication is everything. Shit get a trello or something.

>>491460

yeah but enjoy your hollow bones lol

Since this is a thread of people who commission shit maybe it'd be a good place to query about attempting to organize an orgy picture. Just a giant bisexual orgy where pleasure is for the sake of pleasure and you don't care where bits go or go in you sorta deal.

>>492277

usually that sort of thing is done as a YCH by the artist themselves. unless you have an orgy-worth of characters and a crap ton of money to spend that is.

you can try suggesting the YCH idea to an artist of your choice but they are usualy pretty daunting projects and most artists might say no

>>491302

Hey, those two words are what I look for in an artist too. A smart shopper looks into the artist's profile page to see how fast, friendly and good they are. You can save some big bucks by not commissioning based on popularity. Seriously, who gives a fuck which popufuck draws your sparkledog's neon cock?

>Be me

>Be 4+ years ago

>Never commissioned before

>Really like an artist

>Write a story with one of their characters

>They liked it

>Decide to commission art from them, pay upfront because I've never done this shit before

>No progress for a year, literally a full year of nothing

>Finally ask for refund

>"I don't have the funds right now"

>Okay no big deal

>Be a few months later

>Notice they opened and took several more commissions

>Ask them about refund, no response

>Contact them every single way I know how over the next several weeks, absolutely nothing

>2 years since original commission, break contact and forget about my $20 because that shit ain't worth the stress anymore

>Never commissioned art since

Yeah if your reading this ZombieAddict, you can go fuck yourself.

>>492357

I am not sure how to go about waiting for a commission if there's no given date for it to be finished.

But damn all that avoiding you over 20 dollars? Sorry for your bad experience.

>>492357

Yeah, I can tell from their profile that they're not the type of person people should commission.

>Commission The_Furfather for something simple

>Was forth in line and went down to two decently quickly.

>Fast forward six months, still second in line.

>He's been mia for four months now.

>Can't get a refund thanks paypal

>>492281

Orgy pics go two ways, curious anon

>1) YCH

You are going to be up against a whole bunch of furs willing to part with their money just for the pleasure of putting their OCs dick into someone's hole and in many cases it will cost top dollars

>2)Commissioning

Now, truth be told some artists will do Orgy pics as a thing however you again are looking at anywhere from $90 (Cheapest) to $250+ since most artists won't want to spend time drawing multiple characters. Plus the more complex a character the more the cost. So basically cost will go up high based on what, subject and how many for a Traditional Commission in the form of an Orgy

That being said you just have to know where to look. In most cases your best bet to find cheap Orgy pics to insert yourself. In this case if you really want to find orgy YCH. Search for entry level artists furs on FA or Ink or look for low watched fur artists on Ink and FA.

There are some popufurs that do Orgy pics but again YCH and they will be expensive. Some do it as their routine but in this sense you need to be careful and see if their style is what you are after.

Example:

Keishinkae really loves doing Orgy pics so much so she does Open Slots and YCH journal shoutouts for upcoming Orgy pics. The thing about its though most of the time they are themed.

http://www.furaffinity.net/user/keishinkae

So in summary. Just search. Also some advice. Watch who follows them and friends said artists because you may end up getting paired (and or end up in a picture with) someone you do not like. Case in point. Keishinkae's recurring client is Artica. So if you don't like Artica you may want to skip her Orgy pics. For example, of course.

>commissioning from artists who don't come from an English speaking country besides Japan

NEVER EVER

>>492502

That generally Europeans are bad at customer service and whole plethora of things. Is what he's implying.

Basically they are bad news.

>>492521

what about south america?

>>492521

Aren't most of the dramatic furry lolcows that rip off comissioners amerifats though?

>>492521

This also applies to Russians

>>489938

Your oc has ruined so many otherwise good pictures

>>493105

Then my job is a job well done, anon.

>>493911

I could do one for you anon, how much are you looking to pay?

>>493914

Post your FA

>>493930

http://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/phallusbro/

>>493954

I'll keep you in mind.

>>493954

I can tell you enjoy browsing tumblr.

And I think before trying to get in the commission game with the big boys, you need to work on your suicide first.

>>493911

what kind of character you lookin to get a ref of?

I'd offer to take it up, but depending on what you're looking for, my style might not match.

>>494077

Post your FA

>>494335

c-cute

>>494335

that's pretty gay, mate

>>494335

Wow, that's pretty gay Anon

in a cute way

>>494335

Gay and cute

>>492357

As an artist if I haven't stated my schedule and have a visible queue, I would wait no more than 2 months for my commission.

I pump out commissions within a week

Always research your artist people.

>>491033

>>491041

>>491042

You go to restaurant and you have the most shittest waiter. You order a steak that is the best you ever had but that waiter made you wait 45 minutes for it and that waiter implies that a tip should be left during that whole ordeal.

At the end of the day attitude and communication makes a difference.

>>494435

To you. I prioritize the quality of the product. I don't give a flying fuck how nice they are if they gave me crap for a picture. However, on the flipside, of corse I'll have a limit to how negatively treated I would be but at the end of the day if theyre bearable then all that matters is if they can deliver a quality product in a timely manner

>>494434

you shouldn't be using eyedropper tools in the first place

replicate the colors yourself you little lazy

>>494886

I'm pretty sure people lose their shit if their colors are even slightly different.

>>494886

see

>>494887

as someone who regularly takes furry commissions this is absolutely true

of course, if you(as the commissioner) aren't picky/are okay with color approximations, a shaded non-colormapped ref is fine.

but! most furries I've worked with will send the flats back if it's not precisely the right shade of sparkledog.

>>494909

reminder: learn to draw so that you can make your own porn.

Whew. My hard work for the day is done.

>>491464

Are the hollow bones stronger than normal bones to compensate?

>>495106

Nope, they're laughably brittle, but very light.

>>489678

Jasonafex is not a artist is just a shitturd who believes is a artist because can move flat images like jelly

And a popufur who likes being a jerk with anyone

>>495960

for $50 thats nice n simple fam, saw this when it was uploaded

who is that wolverine character tho, i would bang (and probably draw too)

>>496008

I just asked for a simple muscle gut wolverine character which he said would be fine without a ref. I might write something about him in the future. Maybe the ferret butler gets sold as a prostitute to make some extra money for his master or something?

>>493482

Really like the colouring on this one

>>492455

Haha cute. I like the multiple small partners theme

>>489938

Cute character, would bang

>>489930

Also very cute, like the pose

>>496010

I'd read that

>>494435

I don't lose any extra time out of my life having to wait around for a commission to get done if the artist is slow and all the communication is just words on a screen.

>want to commission an artist

>they're not open for commission

I WANT TO THROW MY MONEY AT YOU PLEASE JUST TAKE IT

>>496838

But that's a man and a woman

Pretty odd couple. He has bigger boobs than she does.

>>494886

I prefer accuracy in coloring anon.

>>498126

Don't beat yourself up over it, if they choose to care, it's more their problem than yours.

>>498193

th-thanks

>>498379

I'd be up for it anon but I'd be afraid to burden you with my shitty descriptions

Welp, let's see ?

Are you posting your description here or do you want my DA ?

>>488984

>friend commissioned a ych from King-cheetah/shown howell almost 6 MONTHS AGO

"I'll send you scans tomorrow!" 3 different times with nothing coming from it

>the scamming fuck keeps throwing up more and more ych without ever showing a completed version

>idiots still throw money at him

Never pay up front, kids

>>498382

That's a poor example. Because its been known that King-Cheetah/Shown Howell is a scam artist. So someone has to be an idiot to even think about getting a commission from him in the first place.

>>498379

you wanna do an argonian?

Hey commission people, I got a question. Seems like maybe 1 out of 4 people who contact me about commissions just kinda vanish. Now, if they poofed after getting the price, I'd COMPLETELY understand that, that's not what confuses me. I'm talking about when I tell them the price, they presumably are cool with it since they move on to working out the rest of the design specifics, but then just disappear somewhere between getting the price and the time for the up-front payment. (Which I always make sure to re-iterate along with the price, so that's no surprise either.)

Anyway, I really have no experience with being on the commissioner side of things, but clearly people here do, so… Anybody know what's happening from the commissioner perspective? My best guess is they didn't like the price but needed a little more time to decide just how much they didn't like it. And if so, that's cool, I totally get changing your mind about shelling out cash, the only thing that bothers me here is not knowing what happened. The commissioner simply goes totally silent at some point after approving the price, which is what I would think is the biggest and only hurdle in the process.

>>498400

My god, it's going to be hard.But yeah, I can try.

ButIcan'tguaranteeagoodresult

>>498401

I am an ex-commissioner gone artist. Legit artist. Not gonna say 'cause I'm in animation (working during uni which goes toward my grades instead of classes).

It's probably:

Commissioners go for whoever is open. If an artist they like more opens, they'll drop you in a heartbeat.

It's also very abrupt. Very spontaneous. You get into a mood and are okay with blowing cash, but sometimes you lose interest. You decide the idea isn't that good or you just don't feel it anymore.

If it's porn it's also possible they were thinking with their genitals.

It's also possible that it's you. Not your prices, but you. If you influence their idea too much, want to change things or are otherwise too restrictive they may consider it a waste of time since it isn't what they had in mind.

But the most likely one is this:

If you've cheap prices, you attract those who are cheap.

Those who are cheap are usually the ones who have the most problems with cash. Teenagers, young adults, welfare, or just poor.

Because their cash flow is so inconsistent it's possible they already blew it on something else.

Just keep working on improving your art and work past it. Eventually you'll hit a point where people desire your art enough that they'll do anything for it or you'll make enough money off the ones who do stick around.

Good luck.

>go to comission artist

>they agree

>draft up a contract (i'm a lawyer) with pretty standard terms (i get all the rights, payment is subject to completed milestones, etc. etc.)

>suddenly they don't want to do it anymore

Every fucking time.

The most offensive thing is when they tell me that they don't work to deadlines. Fuck you artists. Fuck each and every one of you who expects me to put money down and then wait 6 months for you to fucking do your job that I hired you to do.

So yeah, I commission things very rarely from a few artists that can actually work professionally and don't come off as lonely dumb autists.

>go to comission artist

>they agree

>draft up a contract (i'm a lawyer) with pretty standard terms (i get all the rights, payment is subject to completed milestones, etc. etc.)

>suddenly they don't want to do it anymore

Every fucking time.

The most offensive thing is when they tell me that they don't work to deadlines. Fuck you artists. Fuck each and every one of you who expects me to put money down and then wait 6 months for you to fucking do your job that I hired you to do.

So yeah, I commission things very rarely from a few artists that can actually work professionally and don't come off as lonely dumb autists.

Or maybe people are just afraid of contracts.

>>498416

>>498418

HOTWHEELS

>>498410

Hey, thanks for the in-depth answer. Anyway, I agree that it's probably a matter of just changing their mind, but still, it'd be nice to be told that, you know? Instead of wondering if a message randomly got lost somehow or whatever.

And I'm pretty sure it's not me being controlling, I make a point of not stepping on toes. That's why I always have that "working out specifics" period, just to make sure I have all the necessary information to give them exactly what they want. I don't work for peanuts, and I believe that if you pay serious money, you deserve a good product. If I'm doing anything wrong, it might be accidentally seeming like I don't want to be creative, but really, I just want to make sure I'm hitting all the right notes. I've been doing this long enough to realize that people usually have more specifics in mind than they initially volunteer, and if I guess, I'll probably guess wrong. So it's really best to know everything the person has decided, and only fill in the gaps they haven't decided on either.

On that note, I can also rule out the cheap thing, I mean my last finished commission was $320. The most recent mysterious vanish was after agreeing to over $400. Short of straight-up messing with me, I doubt irresponsible kids are agreeing to those kind of prices.

>>498418

Weird, I'm not afraid of contracts at all. In fact, I like them because nobody fastidious enough to supply their own contract has EVER left me hanging. That, and I associate contracts with serious jobs with serious pay. Not enough of that since my previous best employer went out of business.

>>498416

As a commission artist.. Eh.

Most artists have a TOS and may see that as subversive to their normal working terms.

I understand wanting to protect yourself with a contract, as there are a lot of flakes out there: but you should probably make sure that what you draft up is agreeable to the artist you are trying to commission. (or, at least, takes their terms into account)

For example– my TOS states that payment is upon completion. Payment 'at milestones' would be fine by me, but it might be a hassle to an artist that is usually paid upfront and doesn't have to deal with that with literally anyone but you.

Similarly, most artists keep partial rights for self promotional purposes. Their prices may not be set based on giving up the full rights to the image.

These are things you should probably talk to them about, before you draw up a contract.

>nobody fastidious enough to supply their own contract has EVER left me hanging

The only comms. I have ever abandoned were comms. where the artist was taking too long to even reply to my messages, and I never abandon a comm. without at least notifying the person. If an artist can manage to reply to me within a working week then that's good enough for me.

>>498428

I totally understand that, and I never negotiate in a take-it-or-leave-it style because that's not good for anyone. But negotiations should be conducted on the contract, not on vague, nebulous concepts. Having a contract is not the last stage of negotiations, it is the first. A contract is "this is exactly what I am paying you to do and this is how I expect it to be done" and the offeree then has their chance, furnished with all the information, to seek amendments.

So yeah. I think it's just that the kinds of people who have trouble signing contracts are the kinds of people who have trouble fulfilling them, and they don't want to be held legally responsible for their failures (which is funny, because an implicit contract exists anyway so they're still on the hook and, if anything, it would be more protracted and expensive to fight it in court).

Not that anything ever goes to court anyway. I'm just OCD.

It's way too late to be posting.

>>498426

Forgot to link you to

>>498431

>>498416

>open for commissions

>people happily take slots

>get handed a contract

>wat

>says he's a lawyer (sure, i'm a rocket surgeon)

>"Anon I'm not comfortable with signing a contract I had no part in making nor did I get to provide any input on these terms."

>they proceed to call me autistic and rant on an image board.

huh.

wonder why they don't want to do it anymore.

golly.

>>498445

>don't like terms

>better just run away instead of actually negotiating

This is why you are posting on /furry/ instead of making fat stacks in contract law.

>>498452

They're free not to take the commission, but they're turning away money because they're too dumb to realise that they'd be bound by a contract anyway so it's really no different to any other comission they've done except that this one is cheaper to enforce in court for both parties.

Every commission involves a contract, whether you write and sign it or not.

>>498416

Anon you're making a huge hassle out of a picture of an animal on the internet, of course they're just gonna wanna go with the easier-to-put-up-with customers.

I mean, I understand why you'd want to enforce a deadline and such if you're putting down > $50 which you never should for a picture

>>498458

>you're making a huge hassle out of a picture of an animal on the internet

It's significantly less of a hassle to have a written contract than to not have one, believe me.

I don't spend much per picture, but I tend to batch commission ten or more at a time so it can be significant cash. Other times I have commissioned serious work (not furry) for various projects and that has been serious money. There is no other industry where you get money for nothing. Even without a contract (this is a misnomer, a contract always exists where there is a sale of a good or service even if nothing is written or signed) the conduct is still subject to consumer law anyway. For example, in Australia if a commissioner took on work promising speedy delivery despite having a backlog of 30 pieces he would be on the hook for misleading and deceptive conduct, s18 of the CCA act 2010.

Knowing the law is not a cool trick, it is an obligation. If people want to sell things they need to learn how it works, or sparklewolf fursonas won't be the only thing getting rammed in the ass.

>>498457

A contract is a contract if it actually exists.

There's no such thing as a verbal-only contract. There's no such thing as an "internet contract" since there's no verification that the person indeed agreed to it.

A contract like that needs to 100% be verified by a lawyer who ISN'T yourself as well unless you want to be counter-sued or arrested for breaking a law you might've overlooked or missed.

You're not a lawyer.

>>498470

>There's no such thing as a verbal-only contract.

Wrong.

The three elements of a contract are:

1. offer and acceptance

2. intention to be legally binding

3. consideration

Note that "writing" is not one of these. When you have an offer, an acceptance, and consideration you have a contract. The exception is contracts for building work, which must be in writing to be valid.

But you don't have to believe me. Go look it up - contract law in Australia. Furthermore, communication in e-mail is actually written communication anyway, so can also form a contract. Acceptance exists when communication of acceptance is received by the offerer (not necessarily read - an unread e-mail in the offerer's inbox is acceptance) - except when communication isn't instantaneous in which case acceptance exists when acceptance is dispatched (e.g. when the letter is posted, not when it is received).

>verified by a lawyer who isn't yourself

Not an element of a contract.

Naturally, a non-negotiable element of my contracts is that the law and jurisdiction is QLD, Australia.

Try again, champ.

>>498431

>>498431

That may be the case, but most people see a contract as the finalizing stage. Whether it is or isn't, it's a good idea to at least know what the person you're commissioning typically expects of their customers–which, if they have a Terms of Service, is not nebulous at all. It's typically pretty clear what kind of conditions they typically work under.

If you draw up a contract without those terms in mind, people are not going to want to work with you. They're going to see "do this thing you don't do for anyone else for no change of pay, in this legally binding format" and just pick someone easier to deal with.

>>498473

>they get to have non-negotiable terms of service (i.e. a contract that covers their ass)

>i am a bad person for having my own contract

Top kek.

That said, I do read up on people's ToS if they have any, and I take note of them. I pretty much don't even contact people who need payment upfront, for example.

>>498478

Hotwheels strikes again.

>>498477

Actually, to caveat my own post, I will concede that there must be a "meeting of minds" such that if I intended the informal communication to be legally binding, but they did not, then there probably would not be a contract.

However, this depends on the money involved. For a $25 commission there would likely be no contract. For a $25,000 commission the court would likely find intention to be legally binding even if whichever party says they didn't intend it to be legally binding because of the clear and significant commercial nature of the work.

>>498486

>>498477

glad you can read wikipedia.

"here's a ton of information. see, i'm right."

five minutes later

"o-oh wait actually i was wrong i suddenly remembered this minor thing don't worry about it nobody actually cares about that it's really insignificant i didn't just find out about it 2 seconds ago."

>>498480

I'm not saying you're a bad person for it.

I'm saying people aren't going to want to work with you if you present them with a contract that deviates from their TOS, especially when it's something that they don't have to deal with from any other commissioner.

I am a pretty prolific artist, but I probably wouldn't take a contract that parted from my terms–not unless if was something on a large enough scope to warrant further consideration, like a several page comic.

For things smaller than that–it's just not worth the hassle.

anyway

I don't mean to argue or to make you feel like I'm trying to villanize you, because that's not the case.

this was just to try and give you some insight as to why you haven't had success in your commission attempts.

Hopefully something in there helped. Good luck.

>>498480

Normal human beings don't see the world in terms of contracts. That's fucking retarded. It turns something social and casual into a business with liability.

>>498489

Commercial agreements (i.e. a commission) are presumed to have an intention to create legal relations (the High Court recently made some new rulings but they won't matter here, I only notify you of this in the interest of complete information).

It's a minor point, but it certainly doesn't make me wrong. I only included it as a caveat so that your own frantic Wikipedia searching didn't fuel a furious and haphazard denunciation so that you could save yourself some embarrassment, but of course nothing could do that.

http://www.australiancontractlaw.com/cases/rose.html

http://www.australiancontractlaw.com/cases/ermogenous.html

>>498492

>people aren't going to want to work with you if you present them with a contract that deviates from their TOS

I rarely do this, and I'm not upset at failed negotiations.

I was more complaining about when the agreement is all hashed out and everything is 100% good to go, and then I present a contract that mirrors the agreement exactly and suddenly all bets are off because artists are frightened about what they perceive as a big deal. It's just annoying, because it's based purely on ignorance on their part, and it's standing between me and my dumb animal porn.

>>498497

>It turns something social and casual into a business with liability.

>he thinks a person selling a service for money isn't already subject to consumer law

>he thinks the sale of a service is not already a contract whether it's written or not

This is why I hate you. You're already in contract and you're already subject to provisions like misleading and deceptive conduct or unconscionable behaviour. All that signing the contract does is make the whole process cheaper if it goes tits up because we don't have to spend 12 weeks trying to determine exactly what the implied terms were.

>>498504

And this is why I hate you and people like you. You take all the joy out of life. You treat trust and spontaneity like a sin.

Kill yourself.

>>494887

But what if people want images with specific non-generic lighting? Then you gotta make adjustments.

On which note, I'm personally tired of generic character illustrations just floating in perfectly neutral lighting abstract space, characters in scenes with backgrounds are where it's at. Which sure, is more work, but I'd rather see (or personally make) one illustration with a background and actual context than ten generic no-background poses. In which case, you're probably never going to just be duplicating the perfectly neutral model sheet colors directly.

>>498541

I'm not that lawyer guy, but I can't really blame him for not putting all his eggs in the trust and spontaneity basket.

If trust always worked out, I wouldn't have done a few thousand dollars worth of unpaid work over the years. And if spontaneity always went the distance, I'd probably have that much more money again due to commissioners not just vanishing before finalizing the details.

>>498515

I didn't forget you, but I had some work to do. It will be done in few hours.

>>499111

I like working with backgrounds, but no one ever buys them, ever. I get tired of working on plain backgrounds, but it's what people buy.

That said, even when working with a background, I give out a 'true' color flats for them to check, and just add atmosphere after.

Saves me the work of reverting everything because their character is eggshell grey, not off-white!!!

>>499111

>>499880

I love when an artist does amazing backgrounds. It's crazy to see people ask those artists to not include a background so they can get a cheaper picture of their oc fucking something.

I want to get some comfy clean pictures with backgrounds, lighting, and scenery to set a feeling for the picture.

None of the artists I want to commission are open though.

>>500441

How much was it?

>furries get mad at me when they find out I keep my commissions private

Literal case of furry entitlement right there. I paid money for a personal drawing, why are you so deserving of having a free copy of it? That's like buying a Blu-Ray movie and then letting the whole neighborhood borrow it from you for free although in this case I'm aware it's a unique item, even so why should you get a copy? Buy your own art. You're whining over not getting a freebie that you have no real right to. I just want to keep my stuff to myself, sorry no, you're selling commission business because you need money, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want art to print and sell, do your own stuff.

Also, never NEVER pay an artist that has a "I keep 100% copyright of the final pic" policy. That's just shitty business. They try to ustify it with BS like "well I don't wnat the commissioner selling prints" which is a copout excuse at best. What, the artist should sell prints of a work someone else paid to create but the one who paid has no right to that? And why is "selling prints" an excuse here? No one does that. Where the hell are you even going to print adult art anyway? No professional shop will touch it. Very few professional places will even do artistic photographic nudity, none will touch erotica. You printing it at home is gonna look like crap, no one is going to pay $10 a copy for something they can do themselves on a typical $30 home printer, either.

I don't mind paying up front but I send as a goods payment. Paypal allows 180 days to file a claim, if it's day 179 and I have nothing I will file. They can accuse me of being a hirtes all they want if I file, they're in the wrong if they've taken that long though, I don't fear their fanboys either. Internet kiddies won't do dick.

If an artist demands a gift payment, don't do business with them. That's actually against Paypal TOS if they have a business account, they could lose their account for accepting too many gift payments.

>>501388

someone's butthurt, how cute.

>>501390

I'm not sure how amusement equates to butthurt, but if that's what makes you feel better, then sure.

>>501393

the fuck is your problem dude

>>501393

Boy, you sure showed him :^)

>>501406

>A E S T H I C

yeah I bet his ass is thick :^)

>>501223

Think it was ether $80 or $90 dollars for the two characters, was inked too

fuck barglesnatch

>>499880

Yeah, I'm not so much complaining about artists not drawing backgrounds for free, good backgrounds take a lot of time, pure and simple. Not like I do free backgrounds either, I'm also guilty of creating illustrations of characters standing in voids. (Though I always at least throw in a shadow.) Mostly I'm just complaining about those commissioners who clearly have serious commission money to throw around, but never spring for a shadow. They're the ones where I'd definitely prefer one good pic of their character in a fully realized scene instead of ten generic no-background deals.

With that said though, seriously, nobody ever wants to pay for nice backgrounds, it's a pain. And yet people also complain there aren't enough artists out there who are competent in backgrounds. Well yeah, because a good background takes far longer than a character, but almost nobody wants to pay that far more. So of course artists will go with what pays better.

>>499884

>I want to get some comfy clean pictures with backgrounds, lighting, and scenery to set a feeling for the picture.

Exactly, that says so much more about the character. Even if it's porn, making it a fully realized setting makes the fapping better too. But nobody wants to pay for backgrounds.

>>501557

>paying money to tktktk

Wow seriously?

>>501386

Don't give a shit if it's your OC donut steel. If it's R34 though, I simply fail to see the point in commissioning it and then keeping it to yourself, at that point it might as well not exist.

Same deal with artists who like to file take down requests on non-paywalled stuff. You're basically saying "don't look at my art, forget it even existed". And then when the artist eventually gets asshurt that they aren't getting much business or attention, from lack of exposure, I can only laugh in their face for doing it to themselves.

>>502205

I don't know why but I have such an art boner for this one artist's backgrounds. I wish they'd open for commissions now so I could throw wads of money at them.

>>499872

anon you still here?

>>505062

I mean, some artists aren't good at drawing certain animals

It is weird that they denied when they are in such a need of it, but would you rather have paid and then just gotten a crappy looking bird?

>>505067

I think I'm more so annoyed that they would prefer to not draw and instead limit themselves as an artist.

If they screwed up and drew a crappy picture I could at least think "well you tried, thank you for trying. Maybe the next one will be better. But to just flat out refuse just annoys me.

What are your thoughts on Launny and CrazedG

>>488984

As for shit artist:

-Dogbone

= For her shit attitude and inability to read commission request AND refusing to correct mistakes from said illiteracy

-Ryan_Wardlow, now Loculi

= Charging high price, giving no signs of life for a year then delivering the finished art without submitting a single WiP. Obviously, mistake would be rampant and of course, he'll be too busy to correct them.

-Tojo-the-thief

= Living up to her name, ripped me off by 50$ 3 years ago by asking upfront payment and never delivering.

>>493911

Neltruin, hands down.

>>501386

I can understand a commissioner not handing out copies of their stuff

What I can't understand is an artist trying to control my stuff which happens to be a copy of their stuff

>GIVE ME ALL YOUR LIGHTBULBS

>edison no we bought these

>I INVENTED LIGHTBULBS ITS MY MORAL RIGHT FRANCE AGREES

>edison please we need those to see in the dark

>BACK TO CANDLES MOTHERFUCKERS

>edison you didn't even create the first electric light

>YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN

I wish there weren't so many hoops to jump through to commission some artists.

>>505194

Have these all been reported to A-B?

>>505303

>Artists-Beware

The platform is now being used for ' Artists Rights '. Most of it is targeting people complaining about artists, using buzzwords such as the already popular ' Entitlement '.

Threw up my hands personally when they made it clear the artist owns something you paid money for.

>>505306

I'm not getting that. I mean if you paid for something and never received your commission. The buyer is in the right.

Anyway, with FurryNetwork's talked about method of stopping artists from ripping you off (and vice verse), do you think it will work in the benefit of you and other commissioners?

>>505310

what system does furrynetwork have in place?

>>505322

They become a holder, a middleman.

Commissioners and Artist decide on price and commissioner pays ahead of time.

FN holds onto money until both parties verify that the art is done and what was asked.

That money then transfers to the artist, taking a small fee out.

That fee is used to hold onto that money, pay for the servers (to keep the site ad free and avoid having to censor art based on ad services terms) and to pay for people to look into disputes if they do arise.

So essentially a third party is used to moderate any problems if they happen, and hold onto the money between accepting commission and completing commission.

http://blog.furrynetwork.com/2015/12/28/making-commissions-easier-a-visual-series/

>>505328

Seems like a good idea.

I haven't been screwed over by any of my commissions, but some artists have been easier to work with than others, to say the least. So it'd be nice if the experience were a little less hectic.

>>505371

>The system is inherently skewed towards buyer protection

>we'd need to take a 10% cut

>much greater chance of having to give out forced refunds

Oh well that's all I need to hear to know that system is never going to work. No way artists would have any of that.

I mean not that there aren't other problems you listed, but artists are way to comfortable taking all your money upfront, and forgetting about it for a year.

>>505432

But the thing is any buyer can request a refund via paypal whether or not the art is finished. And a lot of artists get gyped.

This provides peace of mind for a small fee that also covers no ads, no tracking and growing changes to the community.

Honestly I'm not versed in business and money management as this anon claims to be but FN has been able to work with practically every card company and then some to be used for purchasing art. Put on top that this is Varka, the guy that owns f-list, e621, and Bad Dragon.

The same guy that tests all the new dildos and posts about it on twitter.

If his close-to prolapsed anus is any reflection to the commitment and faith he has given to his Furfag Monopoly than I think I know what he is doing.

So I'm going to trust him that he's found a way to keep both parties protected at the flat rate that reflects stability for his empire.

This is something that should be asked in order for Varka to explain or give it time to see how it works out.

>>505449

there are a lot of shitty people.

I feel bad for any artist who gets fucked over by a troublesome commissioner, but all that artist has to do is just speak up and they'll have a ton of support about how shitty commissioners are.

Though my friend, just some shy nobody to everyone has tried to commission 3 separate artists and they've all taken his money and run. No one is going to give a shit.

I'm sort of drifting past what the original point was. It'd be nice to have a system that treats everyone fairly. Artists may prefer how things are now though. I dunno.

So i'm looking to get a dragoncharacter designed but I'm at a lost. Does anyone know any good artists who can do dragon ocs?

Twist: With a written description

>>505555

This person does design commissions and specialises in dragons, they're not open at the moment though.They accept text and written descriptions so they're they best I can think of

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9693358/

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/9693358/

>>505371

>It will never be competitive against PayPal

Except there's always the problem that PayPal technically forbids porn. I would like a platform where that isn't a worry whatsoever, instead of a distant and unlikely threat lurking in a corner of my mind.

Incidentally, I've recently been reading the fine print on other PayPal-like services, for example the bank I use has its own direct payment service, and they ALL seem to have wording that forbids porn commissions. They never mention it specifically, rather it's an umbrella rule against most anything explicit or sex-related. So… what gives? Not wanting to be involved in prostitution or sex trafficking makes sense, are they just being too legally careful and using such broad wording that it accidentally rules out sexy drawings too?

>>505555

Well this artist is doing fursona requests in the drawthread if you don't have art yet. He's got a pretty cool style too. I've only seen him do anthros though. >>504494

If you want one for free you can try that.

>>503013

>I wish they'd open for commissions

This reminds me, do most people assume that unless an artist has a big I TAKE COMMISSIONS sign/banner/etc front and center, they don't take commissions? Because while I post commissions, clearly identified by "commission" in the title, I don't really say anything about commissions either way anywhere.

If people always assume that nothing either way must mean "no" or closed," then I am most definitely doing it wrong.

>>505070

Maybe you could have said that you're open to the results being rough? I mean, personally, all things being equal, I'd do my best at anything someone paid me to. Any subject matter, any style, doesn't matter. However, I also know that, for example, I haven't drawn many robots or heavy machinery, I have relatively very little practice with mechanical things. Or there are certain styles that just aren't in my wheelhouse. And furthermore, some commissioners are, and this is entirely fair, VERY PICKY. So if a giant robot fan with a gallery full of excellent giant robot pics by artists who focus on that commissioned a super realistic giant robot from me, I'd probably turn them down. Not because I refuse to try or go out of my comfort zone, but because of the assumption that they wouldn't like my best efforts. And in the end I'd have to give them a refund and thus get no money for the time it took. And why would I be so pessimistic? Because a situation where a commissioner wanted something I didn't normally do came up before, and that's how it ended after several failed re-tries. Suffice it to say, I don't want that to happen again.

However, if the person who wanted that gundam or whatever specifically said they know that isn't my area of expertise and would be happy with my best effort, well that'd be a totally different story. Then I wouldn't worry about failing as an artist and wasting all our time and it'd be full steam ahead.

>>505555

Nice quads.

I'm an aspiring writefag, I can write something for you, if you're interested.

What exactly did you have in mind? Gender, color, personality traits, all that shit.

>>505748

Well maybe you can help describe what I'm looking for better seeing as I suck at writing.

Gender: Male

Color: Primary - Green / Secondary - Black (Underbelly and stuff)

Personality Trait: Goofy, Outgoing, Mischievous

Additional Note: Feral Type, Wings, Like to Have Spines, Ear Fins and Horns.

Good luck!

>>505792

Welp, I'm assuming it's just a dragon then.

I'll see what I can do.

I'll be getting around to it sometime today or tomorrow.

>>505808

Yup just a dragon. Take your time, no rush. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

Whelp, just found out that an artist and his GF that I'm waiting on 2 pictures from each are both taking a break because of stress and stuff because puttng off work and digging deeper into debt is sure to reduce stress

not gonna call them out, just needed to rant

I'd like to commission a reference sheet (realistic, not cartoony). Would you recommend someone who is available?

Wow. How do you guys have so little luck with artists? I start feeling super bad and guilty if I let my commissioner wait longer than a week, and try to never let them wait too long for an email reply if they have a question or something.

Basically I try really hard to put them at ease and be available. And surprisingly enough I am making very consistant and good money (by artist standards) with my art. Are most furry artists just lazy??? I had no idea it was so common for artists to deliver many months late.

>>506020

I'd be interested. What's your budget? I usually charge 80$ for a ref sheet.

>>505718

I'm going by the big "CLOSED FOR COMMISSIONS" status they have front and center.

>>506326

Not that anon but I know some friends that are looking for a refsheet.

Do you have an example?

>>506401

How much did that cost?

>>506411

This one was 80$

>>506426

Yes, I took it from my tumblr

>>506401

I'll show this to my friend, and see if he likes your art style since he's been picky about wanting a ref.

>>506426

>gets triggered by filenames

>>506433

Okay cool!

>>506461

do you have like an FA or anything?

>>506401

Got anything to say on this?

>>506607

Also, you should probably include color swatches if you're going to shade a reference.

>>506428

>having a tumblr

>ever

>>506435

>triggered

>not being a faggot

stay non-self-aware, fag. Also, learn to sage.

>>506913

No see a boogeyman is something everyone blames their problems on for when things go wrong. /pol/ and jews for example.

tumblr is more of a nuisance than a threat.

>>505449

People doing PayPal chargebacks fraudulently are super rare because the artist community is so tight-knit. We found that the people who actually do this generally just commission small-time art and don't bother putting it on any gallery sites, because it'd be taken down anyway. The big commissions - hundreds of dollars and higher - almost always are done by people who have a lot of art and a good reputation to uphold. So really, that risk is already very small, and is usually reserved to cheap sketches and things anyway. The VAST majority of fraud in furry is committed by artists, not commissioners. That's why any attempt at securing a protected commission platform - regardless of intent - is still going to be a problem for artists, whether they actually intend to defraud buyers or not.

It also looks as if AmEx wouldn't play ball with them, which is no surprise because they expressly prohibit any pornographic content whatsoever. Their underwriters will simply not support it. That implies to me that they're looking at a high-risk processing package deal (maybe around 6-10%) so they'd have to charge 15-20%, which is ridiculously high. This is also, incidentally, why BD is so expensive - about 10% of your purchase price goes straight into the pocket of the credit card processor.

It should say a lot that they have not disclosed the fee structure yet.

>>505701

Except PayPal provides a semblance of anonymity and convenience so it will always be the dominant payment method. The inherent flaw in any credit card system is that whoever I pay now has permanent, unrestricted access to charge anything to my card and I can't do much about it until I see it on my statement and file a chargeback. PayPal's payment system makes that basically impossible.

Any payment processor charging less than 5% is going to prohibit porn because the porn site industry traditionally has an extremely high risk of chargebacks (kids stealing parents credit cards, spouses finding out, stolen card numbers, shit like that). There's not many businesses that actually deal with adult content yet aren't high risk - it's just a cost of playing the porn game. Very rarely will you find a processor willing to actually take your business for what it is instead of just arbitrarily saying "it's got porn, so it's high risk". They'll still give you a raw deal of 6-10%, but it's better than the industry standard of 15% for high risk processing.

>>507067

>Any payment processor charging less than 5% is going to prohibit porn because the porn site industry traditionally has an extremely high risk of chargebacks (kids stealing parents credit cards, spouses finding out, stolen card numbers, shit like that). There's not many businesses that actually deal with adult content yet aren't high risk - it's just a cost of playing the porn game.

That explains a lot.

While it seems PayPal is so relatively shitty because they have no real competition or incentive to improve.

anyone ever commissioned Azelyn?

She seems super slow with any of her work

>>507513

I haven't commissioned any artist that didn't take several months or like a year. Not sure why they can be so slow when it's usually their full time job.

>>507067

>The inherent flaw in any credit card system

I'm not talking about credit card systems though, there are competitors that simply need the same amount of info a paypal transaction does and presumably do the transfer the same way. They just all technically forbid anything porn-related in the fine print too, so why even bother?

>>507631

>would do porn if anybody asked

>have never stated I won't

>people only ever commission clean stuff

The world's a weird place.

>>508708

>>would do porn if anybody asked

Name?

>>492357

http://www.bettafish.com/member.php?s=15f83dce8a15f742b63ecf511ae9f615&u=105041

This is the only "zombieaddict" I found

>>503006

I like it

Who'd you commission

>>506401

are you still there or did you get spooked?

>>508708

Because it requires that you set up an account. That's what I was talking about. PayPal has a monopoly because the cost of customer acquisition is a huge barrier to entry now that nobody else bothers with the alternatives except people who got burned by PayPal. The only way to guarantee you won't turn customers away is if you accept credit cards or PayPal.

>>512991

That really pisses me off to be honest. Why even offer free art if you're going to fuck it up- where's the goddamn care? I swear some of these artists these days are just so damn selfish.

And I'm not just foaming at the mouth, either. When I do commissions I do my best to get a read on a client's personality so I can try and give them a picture they'd want, not a picture I'd want.

Idk, I'm just upset, I guess.

>>512886

How much was that?

>>512991

That really sucks, was super nice of the other artist to give you a fixed version though. Kinda restores my faith in the community to be honest

>>513030

It was free art

>>512886

>>513031

Marblesoda is great, also you got that for free? That's cool.

Waiting on an artist right now to get to work on some stuff I paid for, and the moment I start seeing other shit get done that came after it, I'm gonna' start leaving comments and shouts until I either get what I want or my money back.

>>512991

That dog version looks horrible.

>>513030

>>513037

Whoops, forgot to post the price.

Softcell shading + background + futa edit was about 110 bucks

>>513153

You got ripped off.

Actually, I don't know why you commissioned them in the first place. They're a pretty shitty artist; sameface on EVERYTHING and lazy shading. You can even see where they forgot to shade part of the tail on your piece.

>>513163

I think you have a loose definition of shitty if you think they're bad.

>>513167

I think you have absolutely zero standards if you think they're good.

>>513171

standards for what? Furry porn? Sorry I'll go back to my pleb tastes in porn.

I have to agree with Anon on you getting ripped off, that piece really isn't a 110 doubloons worth of work. And he does have a tendency to sameface hard, and slack off.

On that note, nobody likes being hounded for bad buys. Fuck I know I hate it, but being a bitch about it doesn't help.

I am laden with the autistic problem of seeing real small details out of wack, and it then bothers the Hell out of me. Where even really good pieces just trigger my autism and I start disliking them.

>>513040

I know.

>>513002

Agreed

>>513015

Well I'm happy I was gifted the fix.

>>513031

IKR

>>513040

Seriously the artist does it to ever feline.

>>513198

wow that was quick

>>513200

I am 2excited, and besides, this is the thread for recent commissions!

hotwheels let me check these dubs.

>>513163

Well, you are probably right. I was just excited to get work from this artist, and didnt really mind the price.

Still, I'd like to get more art of this character, so who are some good artists with good prices that you'd recommend?

>>513153

I was the guy who asked about the price and I don't wanna hate on you or anything but holy shit. I asked especially because I thought someone with that skill level wouldn't charge too much.

People with this kind of art quality demanding that kind of price need to be boycotted relentlessly. What kind of jew charges extra for a futa edit too? I wish people would not spend their autismbux on this kind of overpriced shit, it would make things easier for people who actually try to handle their money.

>>502800

>Xamrock

Can recommend as well. Delivered within a week

>>514272

buttcoins

amazon gift cards

>>514272

How would people find out?

>>514272

bitcoin. it's becoming increasingly popular and i think it's a fantastic option.

>>514272

>using false information when dealing with financial transactions

Really?

protip: creating a business account means that other people won't see your name, only the business name

>>514272

actually its pretty easy to setup false information and have it pass as the real thing. Because Paypal doesn't do deep background check they just need to make sure the information matches with your false identity

The only thing I will say is find a place to get a fake address (Not Postal Box) and a fake phone number (use a go phone). Then use photoshop. I did that for paypal once on a Energy Bill and they didn't even bat an eye. Next thing you know they unlocked my account.

>>514277

Oh thanks I'll make sure to tell that to my 16 year old self.

>>514273

>>514276

Oh okay.

>>514274

I used to have a separate account for my naughty stuff. I didn't know it at the time but apparently I have a very recognizeable art style so the worst part is it didn't even matter.

>>514278

Hah. I'll try that. I'd rather have it unlocked.

>Artist has some family tragedy

>stops commissions for a while until he gets better

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE JUST GET ON DRAWING MY BIG DICKED CARTOON ANIMALS FUCKING

>>514363

>no genitals

LE TRASHMAN

>>512991

fucking moderators. They act like they are hot shit because the artist chose them but they let the power get to them and act like they need to be a body guard to the artist and start getting ban happy

Recommend me some artists who are

a) Not Dramafags

b) draw above the level of a 13 year old

c) are not jews wanting more than $60 for two characters fugging

>commission ritts once because I liked his art

>half asses his normally superb anatomy and doesn't really try to put Any real effort into the drawing because he clearly doesn't have and personal interest in it.

>have to walk him through all of his errors and he actually has audacity to demand more money for having to make so many corrections that he shouldn't of had to make in the first place

>know he survives off commissions and tell him if he doesn't shut his ass up and get back to work that'd I'd force a refund through my bank which would make PayPal freeze both of our accounts to investigate, making him unable to generate any income for up month.

Felt good. Artists should know their place and act like a cocksleeve when getting commissioned instead of like egotistical brats. There is a reason artists were of a lower caste than slaves throughout history.

>>515444

Are you proud?

You should be proud.