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 No.497593

Are there any worthwhile novels/series with anthro characters? I don't want any smut/furry fan service (but a little wouldn't hurt), just a great fantasy book where anthro animals are a normal part of the world. I read the two Elder Scrolls books and one of the main protagnists was an Argonian, they where surprisingly good and entertaining.

 No.497601

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ES anthros are the only acceptable form of anthro fiction simply because they aren't the ONLY animal characters just because, unlike the rest of furfag writing which just shoe horns in dog people with canine dicks for the sake of it. All the ES races actually exist for a reason, and humans aren't just arbitrarily excluded.


 No.502103

>>497593

Redwall, an easy read but a very good series.


 No.502114

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Alara Unbroken

https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=EtAAEIbTex4C

An alright book with an albino leomon as one the main characters.


 No.502116

>>497601

This argument doesn't make any sense. Does ES itself exist for any reason besides entertainment? No, and it doesn't really make sense either. You don't have to have a "reason to "shoehorn" dog people into your story unless it's about why those dog people exist. Otherwise, just tell a good story.


 No.502118

>>497593

I was wholly unaware that there are ES books. I've been wanting to learn and read about the lore and such for a while, but I haven't got the interest to play the games. I'll have to check these out.


 No.502128

>>502116

Maybe if you're a faggot wit shit taste who just wants to read dog people fuckin, ie your typical consumer of furfag fiction.


 No.502133

>>502128

Exactly! It's a fetish, what other explanation do you need? ES is a video game, and needs no other reason for why it exists. Your argument fails.


 No.502190

>>497601

>All the ES races actually exist for a reason

Care to give examples? I'm seriously curious what sort of better (or for that matter worse) reasoning a setting could have for non-humans. Seems to me like their existence has always been equally arbitrary, be it the yiffiest of yiff bait in any random crummy furry fantasy or elves and dwarves in Tolkien's works. Either way, as I see it it's just stuff the author decided would make a more interesting story. Extremely long-lived humans with pointy ears don't make any more or less inherent, objective sense than dog-people.


 No.502202

franky furbo


 No.502215

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>>502190

Well they have their own god in the game, Hircine, pictured right here and plainly not furry. He is a Daedra who is called "the father of Manbeasts" and is an important part of all Elder Scrolls lore. Also, each "animal" race has its own country. The Argonians come from Black Marsh and the Khajiits come from Elsweyr, both of which you can see but not enter in TESIV: Oblivion. If they were not in the game then those lands would not exist.

They each have established backstories too. I can give you the quick and dirty on their pasts.

For the Khajiits:

They started out as a system of warring kingdoms, and then they got destroyed by a plague so there was only two kingdoms left. They formed Elsweyr when they joined together to repopulate, but one half of the country was poor and tribal and the other half was posh merchants and they did not like each other. Their "Mane" (basically President or Prime Minister) fixed this by having them take turns ruling during different phases of Masser and Secunda, the two moons you can see if you look in the air while you are playing the game. The Mane is called that because their servant Khajiits cut their hair off in deference and he ties it onto his own hair, making it look like he has a gigantic mane. Is that pandering-ly sexy? Didn't think so.

For the Argonians:

They were basically the Natives of Tamriel. Then the glorious white Ayran -I mean Aldmer race discovered Tamriel and wrecked their shit, since the Argonians had spears and rocks and the Aldmer had magic and shit. The Argonians fled to Black Marsh, which is apparently Furry Heaven, because its chock full of beast races you can't even play as in the game. One of them is even called the "Lilmothiit," which is literally a fox version of a Khajiit. If they wanted to cash in on "furry bait" we would have been able to play as that years ago.

I understand to the uninitiated that it might seem like they don't have a place, a rhyme, or a reason, but that's exactly why they have the books in game for you to read. Its up to you to choose whether you understand the reasoning behind them or not, the information is all right there.


 No.502227

>>502215

So they have backstories then. That's cool and all, and to the setting/story's credit, but I'd imagine that as far as the actual creative process goes, it was "some animal people would be cool" first, and in-story justification second. In which case, any anthros in any story should be equally good as long as they have backstories too, right? Also,

>Is that pandering-ly sexy? Didn't think so.

I don't really see where being sexy is really a bad thing. I mean, mermaids are an enduring concept and those have always been fap fantasies first and foremost. I'm not saying that all furries/humanoids must be sexy by any means, just that it isn't a problem either. Merely one of many equally valid creative choices.

Anyway, as long as your point is that good fantasy furries are defined by having a fleshed-out story and concept with depth, I agree. (And there's no reason sexy furries can't have all that too.) But whether they have a complex backstory or not, you can bet the real reason they're there, first and foremost, is that the author thought they would be cool. The only difference between the good and bad ones is how well they were implemented after the fact. Not to mention other universal storytelling factors.

Also, just to be clear, I have absolutely no problem with Elder Scrolls, that wasn't the aspect of your argument I was challenging.


 No.502245

>>502227

Except that literally every other "furry" book or whatever the human races are either

A. never ever even conceived of at all

B. were around but are magically gone and the reason for this is backhandedly explained away

C. are present but these is no explanation as to why they exist alongside the furfag races

This is the difference because in ES literally every race exists in cohesion with the rest and are of monumental importance in the world some how. But because you're too facking lazy to have educated yourself on the lore at all you just assume "It's just tolkien with manbeasts for no reason! huh! it's literally like all furry deviantard tier fiction after all!"

Not really, dipshit.


 No.502252

>>502245

Not the user that you're responding to, but you're not elaborating your views effectively. Don't blame them for not understanding you.

You could have mentioned that in addition to their historical background, that their language, customs, accents, and biology are taken into consideration.


 No.502253

>>502245

Damn dude, you really don't get his argument. All he's saying is that it's entertainment first and foremost, and that's all the justification it needs. Never was he saying that the quality of Elder Scrolls lore is on the same level as shitty furry smut.


 No.502255

>>502227

The reason ANYTHING exists in a fantasy universe is because the creator thinks "its cool." That's exactly why he would make a fantasy world, because its badass to shoot fireballs but there's no way you could do that in real life, or even have an explanation for it.

I can already tell you're the type of faggot who, every time someone watches Star Wars, says "ACKSHUALLY those space battles would be silent since noise can't carry in space" and then huddles over your titanium-clad virginity like some obese neckbearded Smeagol. The guy that literally nobody likes at parties. Just because you're too autistic to suspend belief and act like something has always been there doesn't mean that it doesn't have a good reason for being there.

Unless you can remember exactly when the first human came into existence. Otherwise we're all just "cool ideas." :^)


 No.502269

>>502253

"It's entertainment so whatever like dude, it's just a movie, it doesn't matter, it's just a book man, it doesn't matter man, they're all the same, man"

So what's your fucking point? You're like that dude who just says something irrelevant and off topic as the last word to make themselves feel like they still had something relevant to say, but really they said fucking nothing at all.


 No.502274

>>502190

If you think elves and dwarves in Tolkien's world was just arbitrary, you're fucking retarded. He put them in there because they reflected things he thought about racism and cultural tensions, especially during times of war or almost war that he had experienced in life. It's fictional, but it's a text-book fucking example of art imitating life. Just because it's too deep for you to get and you're too lazy to read the book doesn't mean it means nothing.

Tolkien wasn't some retarded teenager that just shoved mythical races into his books like furries do because he had some elf fetish or something.


 No.502276

>>502227

>but I'd imagine that as far as the actual creative process goes, it was "some animal people would be cool" first

So you're just assuming shit you don't even know, right? How do you actually know that the writers thought "some animal people would just be cool" and they wrote that? Do you have some fucking crystal ball that tells you this?

Maybe they wrote it because a beast-like race actually makes sense in place where they wrote the lore. Instead you just randomly assume as if you had omniscient knowledge of the way the writing process went.


 No.502312

>>502128

Oh look the "I have to have humans with my furries otherwise it doesn't make sense and needs to be explained in thorough detail while at the same time I accept the existence of ogres, dragons, dwarves, etc.," idiots are here.

It's all fake, get over it.


 No.502318

>>502269

I'd be the last one to say that, I just don't see what you're throwing a tantrum about and calling people faggots for. I mean, the whole point of this thread was to get recommendation for well thought out literature with some "furry" content because we're on a fuckin furry board and think furries are cool. If that makes the existence of them in the story arbitrary, give me some good arbitrary furry fantasy then.


 No.502320

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Do minotaurs count? The Minotaur Wars Trilogy by Richard A. Knaack has a main cast that's pretty much all minotaur. A lot of politcal intrigue and battles and such, but I found the characters to be very interesting and sympathetic.

The first book is Night of Blood


 No.502334

>>502320

Any audiobooks? This'd be good to listen to while I work on things.


 No.502339

>>502255

Then there's no reason to say anthro races in TES are any better than anthro races in Kyell Gold's books. Just because they have stupid backstories doesn't change anything.


 No.502342

>>502334

I'm kinda surprised, but according to Amazon all three of them have an audiobook. Sounds decent enough.


 No.502354

>>497593

Too bad TES is irredeemably shit.


 No.502357

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>>502339

>comparing Kyell "polish my turd" Gold to TES fucking god tier lore building

>>502354

prove it criminal scum


 No.502368

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>>502357

The third one might as well be a ES game.


 No.502369

>>502357

The third one might as well be a ES game.

fuck you hotwheels


 No.502372

Why are people hating on TES thoooo

been fappin to the games with mods since forever


 No.502378

>>502372

>Why are people hating on TES

Because it is a shitty meme series.


 No.502383

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>>502372

I don't hate TES, I just hate the fact Oblivion was a bunch of lies, Skyrim being barely an RPG and the fact Bethesda is utter shit.

I enjoy all the dank Todd memes. Seeing Todd Howard bullshit people on stage was the only good part of Fallout 4. It just works.


 No.502387

>>502383

Todd posting is such a shit meme. All it does make his lies seem admirable trait to Bethescucks.


 No.502394

nobody mentioned mercedes lackey?

especially the black gryphon series


 No.502405

>>502342

Fucking sweet. Because I really want to see minos portrayed as something more than mindless maze fetishists.


 No.502524

>>502114

>the reason I started splashing white


 No.502533

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>>502190

>it's just stuff the author decided would make a more interesting story

This should always be why an author adds something to a story.

If it's not going to make the tale more entertaining for someone in some way then it should be left out.

Granted it can be for a reason as simple as "the people I expect to read this like animal people so I should have animal people in it" and despite its lack of depth, that's actually not a bad reason at all.

As long as those animal people are written into the story well then it doesn't really matter why they were added since they won't be a detriment to the story on their own.

Plus their addition can help a few readers enjoy it more whereas one more band of humans might not hold their attention as well.

Some people feel that the only time you should use animal people would be in a case like… say a plot centric character has to be murdered by claw or some other natural weapon from an anthropomorphic character to fit some wordplay and twist the reader's expectations.

Basically having the plot mandate a beast character in order to uphold its quality.

That honestly is probably the best reason to include an anthro race, but I don't agree that it's the only one.

There are too many good opportunities to add, not even just animal races but non-human sentient races in general, into fantasy stories to feel like there's no good way to include them.

It's just a waste of a fantasy setting.


 No.502538

>>502215

>Hell just shits out some demon gates in the middle of Argonian territory

>Demons get their asses handed to them and sent right back home

>Argonians decide to chase them back through the portal and further fuck them up to make sure they don't try to pull that shit again

>Aldmer beat the shit out of the Argonians

Well damn.


 No.502549

>>502276

I mean, Tamriel was originally a DnD game. Never played before but something tells me DMs don't start world building at the big bang.


 No.502615

>>502357

>TES

>God-tier lore building

anon lol I like TES but this is too much, TES hasn't had shit for lore building since Kirkbride left and bethesda can't program any environment that isn't Maryland or Maryland-with-snow.


 No.502630

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>>502190

>Either way, as I see it it's just stuff the author decided would make a more interesting story.

um.


 No.502652

Neal Asher's polity series has people (usually attractive women) who have been modified into "catadapts"


 No.502688

>>502245

Let me reiterate here: I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ELDER SCROLLS. It is a good setting with good stories. The point I am arguing here would apply equally to ANY fantasy setting you could have brought up.

And since almost nobody seems to understand what I meant, let me try again.

A story can be literally anything. Whether it's realistic, fantasy, sci-fi, a great story, a terrible story, a smut story, whatever, it only has what it has because the original creator decided so. There is no more objective criteria than that for any thing included in any story ever written. The only difference is how well the writer uses what they put in, not to mention how overall well they write the story. The well-written setting of the Elder Scrolls has no more objective need for its furries than the terrible shallow fap fics, the Elder Scrolls just built a much more realized context for them. Still, it could have used Tolkien non-furry types like elves and dwarves instead and it really wouldn't be all that different, the essential backstory elements you listed would apply pretty much the same.

So to sum up: There is no "actual reason" for any anthros to exist in any story, it's just a creative decision that some stories implement better than others. Don't confuse good storytelling for objective justification for what's in the story.

>>502253

>>502533

At least two people understand what I meant.

>>502274

I get elves and dwarves being stand-ins for real-life groups of people in Tolkien's works. My point is that the actual specifics though - the obvious elven physical features and dwarven physical features that denote them - had no objective need to be pointy ears, short and beardy, etc. Elves and dwarves could have been cat people and mole people or something and served the exact same story purpose. They are only what they were because Tolkien decided, for his own creative reasons, that he wanted those specific features. (Which were drawn from existing mythology, but again, his choice.) And to be clear, I'm not saying that was a bad choice. Just a choice as arbitrary as making them furries or aliens or anything else.

And speaking of arbitrary choices, even deciding to put in stand-ins for the sake of commentary regarding racial and cultural tensions was a choice he made. He didn't have to put that in his work at all, he chose to. And it clearly totally worked, no question there, but again, stories only have what they have because of what the writer wanted to write about. In that regard, social commentary is no different from furries. Or magic, or politics, or gardening, or whatever. Nothing has any real reason to be in stories, the only question is whether it ends up being an entertaining story.


 No.503254

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>>502383

>Todd Howard bullshit people on stage was the only good part of Fallout 4

>implying The Boston Salt Party wasn't the best part


 No.503279

>>503254

No, the absolute best part was that the spoiler about the ending was 100% bs.


 No.503281

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>>503279

>Kill son or nuke commonwealth

>Not the actual 2 endings


 No.503298

>>502357

My god this autism


 No.503309

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>>502615

>tfw edge elves got their lore and culture placed front and center during Bethesda's high point in storytelling and now none of the other races will ever look even a fraction as good in comparison


 No.508338

Anyone know a good site to download audiobooks?


 No.508359

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>>503254

I got that webm just for you.


 No.508365

Warrior Cats


 No.508925

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>see something about this year's Ursa Majors

>look up past awards to see what kind of stuff gets nominated

>this book was a nominee a couple years ago

With a cover like this, I don't even care what it's about


 No.508999

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Not a book but for a short read thats still good I'd recommend Farmers Dilemma by Sam Alden. <15 min comic but its pretty freaking good.

http://samaldencomics.tumblr.com/post/32842625940/farmers-dilemma-2012

surprisingly i can see this fit into zootopia cannon even though its 4 years old

>>508925

looks like some book i would read for 6th grade.

its probably 100 pages long with the font size upped to 18.


 No.509063

The couple books put out for Ironclaw (A Furry RPG) were pretty good. Swords, magic, furries.


 No.509068

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Here's what I know about:

B. Jacques - Redwall (various anthros)

A. Foster - Spellsinger (various anthros)

G. Cook - Darkwar (anthro dogs)

H. Harrison - Eden (anthro reptiles)

G. Howell - The Human Memoirs (anthro cats)

V. Pelevin - The Sacred Book of the Werewolf (werewolves)

V. Vinge - The Fire upon the Deep (dog-like aliens)

E. Hunter - Warriors (feral cats)

C. Simak - City (uplifted dogs)

D. Brin - Sundiver (uplifted dolphins)


 No.509193

Anybody who knows other books, pls post.




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