/futh/ - Futhark

>>80

Ok works now. Apparently it matters from where you copy the code.

Worked when I clicked the little "copy to clipboard" button and then CTRL+C

ᚺᛖᛁᛚ᛫ᚠᚱᛁᚦᚱᛁᚳ᛫ᚺᚪᛏ᛫ᚺᚹᛖᚩᛚᛋ

ᚾᛖᛖᛞᛊ᛬ᛊᛟᛗᛖ᛬ᚹᛟᚱᚲ᛬ᛊᛏᛁᛚᛚ

>>90

ᚱᛁᚲᛏᛁᚷ᛬ᛊᚲᛁᚲᚲᚨ᛬ᛗᛟᚱᚷᛟ

ᚲᛟᚱᛚᛖᛁᛊ᛬ᚷᛃᛖᛜ᛬ᛞᛖᛏ?

>>91

ᚺᚹᚨᛏ

>>94

ᛞᚢ᛬ᛖ᛬ᛖᛁᚾ᛬ᛒᛖᛞᚱᚨᚷᛖᚱ

ᛖᚷ᛬ᛏᚱᚢᚱ᛬ᛁᚲᚲᛃᛖ᛬ᛞᚢ᛬ᛖ᛬ᚾᛟᚲᛟᚾ᛬ᚾᛟᚱᛞᛗᚨᚾᚾ᛬ᛁ᛬ᚺᛖᛁᛚᛖ᛬ᛏᚨᛏᛏ

ᛏᛟ ᛗᚨᚾᛁ ᛖᛋᚲᛁᛗᛟᛋ, ᚾᛟᛏ ᛖᚾᛟᚢᚠ ᚾᛟᚱᛞᛁᚲ ᛏᛖᛖᚾ ᚷᛁᚱᛚᛋ.

"ᛋᛖᚡᛖᚾᛏᛁᚾ"᛫ᚹᚪᛉ᛫ᚦᚫᛏ᛫ᚱᚣᛚᚣ᛫ᚾᛖᛋᛖᛋᛖᚱᚣ?

ᚫᚾᛞ᛫ᚠᚩᚱ᛫ᚠᛇᚳᛋ᛫ᛋᛖᛁᚴ᛫ᛄᚢᛉ᛫ᛋᛇᛗ᛫ᛈᛇᛝᚳᚴᚢᛖᛁᚴᛇᚾ᛬

>>7

the resource linking to pronounciation would be nice stickied

My approach was to spend 25 years reading various sources on runes and ancient Germanic history and language in general.

If you just want to start writing stuff with runes as quickly as possible go to Wikipedia.

Not reviving a language just using different characters to write English.

How do I translate futhark to english?

᛬ᚹᛖ᛫ᚨᚱᛖ᛫ᚾᛟᛏ᛫ᚱᛖᚹᛁᚾᚷ᛫ᚨ᛫ᛞᛖᚨᛞ᛫ᛚᚨᚾᛞᚷᚢᚨᚷᛖ᛫ᛃᚢᛊᛏ᛫ᚢᛊᛁᚾᚷ᛫ᛞᛁᚠᚠᛖᚱᛖᚾᛏ᛫ᚲᚺᚨᚱᚨᚲᛏᛟᚱᛊ᛫ᛏᛟ᛫ᚹᚱᛁᛏᛖ᛫ᛁᚾ᛫ᛖᚾᚷᛚᛁᛊᚺ᛫ᛚᛁᚲᛖ >>53

ᛊᚨᛁᛞ

>>51

>So are we reviving an ancient language here?

No, a writing system.

>Also is can we get a thread or make this thread a general information thread for Futhark?

So far most threads here are general information threads.

>Some other questions I have. Was this language before, during or after Old Norse was used widely?

Writing system, not language. But yes, it was used before and after Old Norse, and to write Old Norse specifically.

>Did vikings or certain Germanic Tribes use this?

Yes. Runes formed the basis of all Germanic writing systems before the church replaced them with a crude system based on the Latin alphabet.

>>51

>Was this language before, during or after Old Norse was used widely? Did vikings or certain Germanic Tribes use this?

Elder Futhark = pre-norse/proto-norse. Germanic tribes tier shit.

Younger Futhark = Old Norse. Viking shit.

Anglo Saxon Runes = very similar to elder futhark, but used to write old english.

Medieval Runes (various systems) = used to write older forms of the modern north germanic languages.

Here, I developed a proposal for this over the past few years.

https://github.com/raidh0/runic-text-resources/blob/master/General%20American%20English%20in%20Runic%20Script.md

>>70

Wow, that's some good work! Are you a linguist IRL?

I'll try to modify the rune writer stickied on the front page in the next couple days to try to make it easy to implement the system you've got there.

At some point we're going to need to put together a list of a couple hundred common word and their transcriptions into runes to set some precedents and norms.

>>73

No, I'm an IT consultant. But that's easy so I have spent a lot of free time studying runes.

>>2359262

ELDER FUTHARK KEYBOARD LAYOUT 2.0

https://dl.bucket.pw/dzwxqm.rar

INCLUDES

- autoinstaller msi file

- simple translation key

- source file for keyboard

- built dll for keyboard

>>52

I'm having some trouble getting the .msi to work. Any thoughts on why?

>>56

windows only?

otherwise I have no idea

>>65

I didn't post the 2.0 version actually, so I have no idea what it could be.

you might need to manually set the keyboard to be that, which is a large hastle

>>50

I can't test this because I don't use Windows. Why are the runes not showing up in the keyboard editor? Does Windows not know to fall back to other fonts when the one selected lacks a requested character? That's a really embarrassing bug.

Something to keep in mind is that runes are a unicase alphabet (i.e., there is no capital/lowercase distinction), so there is no need to make each key produce the same character with and without shift depressed.

For example, in my layouts, typing "t" produces "ᛏ" but typing "T" produces "ᚦ".

> and I seem to have 1 more letter than keys on the keyboard, I don't know.

There are only 24 Elder Futhark runes, so unless you're adding Anglo-Saxon characters in as well, then you should have two more keys than letters, even if you don't use the same key for more than one rune.

>can someone translate "zxcvbnm" to elder futhatk and print it out here and confirm it?

In my layouts that produces ᛉᛡᚳᚡᛒᚾᛗ, but my layouts can be used to type Elder Futhark and Anglo-Saxon Futhorc as well as a few miscellaneous medieval runes.

If you want to be strictly Elder Futhark and never press "shift", I might go with something like this:

ᚦᚹᛖᚱᛏᛇᚢᛁᛟᛈ

ᚨᛋᛞᚠᚷᚺᛃ_ᛚ

ᛉ_ᚲᛜᛒᚾᛗ

But this is just one possible idea, since there is no possible way to establish an exact one-to-one correspondence of EF runes to English Latin letters, I've just put the ᚦ, ᛜ, and ᛇ in places that looked easy to reach and reasonably easy to remember.

ᛖᚲ᛫ᛖᚱᛁᛚᚨᛉ᛫ᚱᚢᚾᛟᛉ᛫ᚹᚨᚱᛁᛏᚢ

᛬ᛏᚺᛁᛊ᛫ᛚᚨᚾᚷᚢᚨᚷᛖ᛫ᛁᛊ᛫ᚨᛏᚢᚨᛚᛚᛃ᛫ᚹᛖᚱᛃ᛫ᛊᛁᛗᛁᛚᛁᚨᚱ᛫ᛏᛟ᛫ᛖᚾᚷᛚᛁᛊᚺ᛬

>>48

ᚫᛝᛚᛁᛋᚳ᛫ᚹᚪᛋ᛫ᚠᛁᚱᛋᛏ᛫ᚹᚱᛁᛏᛖᚾ᛫ᚹᛁᚦ᛫ᚱᚢᚾᛖᛋ᛫ᚣᚩᚢ᛫ᛞᚩᛚᛏ᛬

>>39

The code will work like a keyboard, so it won't actually take care of any "th," or "ei" clusters; you'll have to enter that in manually.

>>39

>Give me a little while, and I'll write a really simple C++ code that converts specific keys into runes. It's not very elegant, but it just werks.

That's just a keyboard map. There's no reason to write a program that traps keystrokes and outputs characters when your OS already has one. Just use one of the existing keyboard maps or help to create new keyboard mappings. This software literally already exists in your kernel or windowing system; it wants you to give it keymaps.

>The correspondence has a phonetic component, but most of the time it's just verbatim transcription, because a complete phonetic transcription can be confusing. No one wants to see "p-i-p-e-l" in rune form, they want to see "people," even though the eo dipthong is taken care of by Isa, and the e on the end is silent.

English writing is like five or six rounds of phonetic cruft piled on over the original Proto-Germanic phonetic system, and a letter-to-letter approach would never use important runes like ᚦ or ᛜ. If we are going to promote a new writing system, it would be fucking moronic not to at least start with a direct phonetic representation.

>>43

The point is that it's a letter-to-letter transcription until Iwar, Thurs, or Ing can be used.

>>46

We have at most one opportunity to switch people over from the Latin alphabet to runes. How many spelling reforms have succeeded in Modern English? People laugh them off every time they are proposed. If we try to adopt a "transitional" writing system that uses a letter-to-letter mapping, with the plan of eventually switching to a phonetic mapping at some later date, we will be stuck with the original letter-to-letter mapping indefinitely.

If we are going to propose a runic writing system for Modern English, then the only thing that is sensible, with any chance whatsoever of sticking, is to develop a phonetic transcription: one phoneme, one rune; one rune, one phoneme.

>>17

>>21

Due to signals of hostility from Github in their (now withdrawn) "Code of Conduct", these layouts are now hosted at Gitgud:

https://gitgud.io/raidh0/runic-text-resources

ᚠ Wealth is a comfort to all men;

yet must every man bestow it freely,

if he wish to gain honour in the sight of the Lord.

ᚢ The aurochs is proud and has great horns;

it is a very savage beast and fights with its horns;

a great ranger of the moors, it is a creature of mettle.

ᚦ The thorn is exceedingly sharp,

an evil thing for any knight to touch,

uncommonly severe on all who sit among them.

ᚩ The mouth is the source of all language,

a pillar of wisdom and a comfort to wise men,

a blessing and a joy to every knight.

ᚱ Riding seems easy to every warrior while he is indoors

and very courageous to him who traverses the high-roads

on the back of a stout horse.

ᚳ The torch is known to every living man by its pale, bright flame;

it always burns where princes sit within.

ᚷ Generosity brings credit and honour, which support one's dignity;

it furnishes help and subsistence

to all broken men who are devoid of aught else.

ᚹ Bliss he enjoys who knows not suffering, sorrow nor anxiety,

and has prosperity and happiness and a good enough house.

ᚺ Hail is the whitest of grain;

it is whirled from the vault of heaven

and is tossed about by gusts of wind

and then it melts into water.

ᚾPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

ᚠ Wealth

source of discord among kinsmen

and fire of the sea

and path of the serpent.

ᚢ Shower

lamentation of the clouds

and ruin of the hay-harvest

and abomination of the shepherd.

ᚦ Giant

torture of women

and cliff-dweller

and husband of a giantess.

ᚬ Aesir

aged Gautr

and prince of Ásgarðr

and lord of Vallhalla.

R Riding

joy of the horsemen

and speedy journey

and toil of the steed.

ᚴ Ulcer

disease fatal to children

and painful spot

and abode of mortification.

ᚼ Hail

cold grain

and shower of sleet

and sickness of serpents.

ᚾ Constraint

grief of the bond-maid

and state of oppression

and toilsome work.

ᛁ Ice

bark of rivers

and roof of the wave

and destruction of the doomed.

ᛅ Plenty

boon to men

and good summer

and thriving crops.

ᚠ Wealth is a source of discord among kinsmen;

the wolf lives in the forest.

ᚢ Dross comes from bad iron;

the reindeer often races over the frozen snow.

ᚦ Giant causes anguish to women;

misfortune makes few men cheerful.

ᚬ Estuary is the way of most journeys;

but a scabbard is of swords.

ᚱ Riding is said to be the worst thing for horses;

Reginn forged the finest sword.

ᚴ Ulcer is fatal to children;

death makes a corpse pale.

ᚼ Hail is the coldest of grain;

Christ created the world of old.

ᚾ Constraint gives scant choice;

a naked man is chilled by the frost.

ᛁ Ice we call the broad bridge;

the blind man must be led.

ᛅ Plenty is a boon to men;

I say that Frothi was generous.

ᛋ Sun is the light of the world;

I bow to the divine decree.

ᛏ Tyr is a one-handed god;

often has the smith to blow.

ᛒ Birch has the greenest leaves of any shrub;

Loki was fortunate in his deceit.

ᛘ Man is an augmentation of the dust;

A contemporary effort to create songs of the runes is by Norwegian band Wardruna ("rune guardian"). Their three-album "Runaljod" ("rune song") is still a work in progress. They are placing the runes in a different order and creating songs in the Old Norse language, with reconstructions of ancient instruments, to illustrate the characteristics of the runic characters.

The first record, Gap var ginnunga, covers the runes ᚺ, ᛒ, ᚦ, ᛃ, ᛚ, ᚲ, ᛉ, and ᛞ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zdg-AMv8tw

The second record, Yggdrasil, covers the runes ᚠ, ᚾ, ᛖ, ᚨ, ᛁ, ᛜ, ᚷ, and ᛋ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU9gcqeOWU

The third record, Ragnarök, is not yet completed but will presumably cover the remainder of the Elder Futhark.