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The Future: Short and Long Term


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Basically a board for the dreamers of 8chan.
Discuss how recent develops will pan out in the context of the future of society, science, technology, etc.

1) Be sure to have a source for all developments discussed.

2) Don't shitpost.

3) Keep pseudoscience out.

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I was reading this http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6008505/larry_gonick_-_Cartoon_History_of_the_Universe_1-9 and I couldn't help seeing that whatever spectacular future technology and civilization hold, for us it is over, and has been over for quite some time already. This thought or key information presented in the comic are by no means new to me, but I was reminded one more time of the elaborately ignored elephant present in the room.
Starting right from private property and onwards, the route our species took disgusts me. Probably because it goes against the more ancient instincts of community and love for free roaming and unrestrained sex still alive and kicking in me somewhat. But from a purely intellectual point of view, we and our evolution are no longer significant as well. The technology and some information-era events will decide what future will hold, not us, our own creation's humble slaves.
So what to do? In some decades maybe we'll have all our communication mediated by technology, probably centrally controlled as well, and I already don't feel like leaving the world of virtual entertainment and information, appearing so much more colorful than the real one.
It would be extremely hard and probably pointless for me to return to hunting and gathering now, and soon rapid overpopulation and strict population control will make it nearly impossible. Civilization, on the other hand, is not going to make me any more comfortable, as it only grew worse in the short time since my birth.
Is there a way?

It is not even clear to me that civilized world will not fall into the hands of technological oligarchs like Sergey Brin et al. For all their technological creativity and sometimes less than sociopathic attitudes, their reign would effectively mean end of choice for the rest of us.
Neither is it clear that the existing, more traditional oligarchs will not destroy this whole biosphere with their nuclear toys. They are as ready to do so as always, and the new unstable political environment may present plenty opportunity.
Should we dodge these unfortunate fates, will advanced technology besides nuclear weapons not undermine the whole 4 billion years of evolution by bringing too sudden a change in the world as to make it uninhabitable?
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Stupid friends, no use of you.
Why do I even internet these days…

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How likely is it?


Not at all likely.


One big obstacle to a grey goo scenario is that these machines would have to be able to know their design and be able built it with a perfect accuracy, as well as being able to recognize identical machines.
And even if the machines were made well, speciation would probably occur, which would result in endless cannibalization.


I have no idea why on earth that would even be sort of possible. It's just a shitty science fiction plot.



it says " 2 - the assembler is programmed to create new units identical to itself" …..

so yeh these machines would "know their design" as you stated


One would need to be exceptionally retarded to build such a thing.

But well, at that point were some mysantrophic cultist/hostile AI actually pulls it off, we are probably already so far into hightech that antiassemblers who dissassemble assemblers can be made and numerous planets are habitated whose populations can then laugh and point their finger at the human colony which harboured a society so defunct that it ended in this hillarious doomsday scenario.

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>tfw the first person to live to 150 has already been born
>tfw still young enough for it to be me

How long are you planning on living, 8chan? Because I don't plan on dying, not at the rate medical science is advancing now.

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I've been giving it further thought. They're not going to move the island, instead moving large spheres that will be assembled into a ship in space. I will, however, let you in on the design flaws of the time device.

(1) It takes a shit-ton of energy, and is total black-ops stuff, so until fusion is a reality, it cannot be adequately tested and is shelved.

(2) It doesn't really make things travel in time at all. It merely pops them out of existence so long as it is powered, and when power is removed, they come back into existence with no elapsed time from their perspective. From the inside, this is functionally the same thing, but the mechanism is not what you'd usually think of as "time travel". It should also be obvious it only works in one direction.

(3) The biggest design flaw is that whatever is put into the machine pops back in the same place, and with the same momentum, as when it left. However, "the same place" is not where you think it will be, it's relative to all massive bodies that fall within the light cone of the period of time which it is gone. (Remember, relativity says there is no such thing as a preferred reference frame.)

This means that if you pop it for one second, it will reappear apparently displaced by one second of Earth rotation, and traveling in a slightly different direction due to the difference in angular momentum over that second. This has the unfortunate tendency to utterly destroy both the contents and the machine in early testing.

Over longer time scales, more and more massive bodies have to be accounted for as to what constitutes a "reference frame". After a few seconds, the motion of the moon starts to have an effect. After eight minutes, the sun comes into play. Thus, longer time jumps mean the contents pop back into existence high in the atmosphere, or deep within the planet, or in the vacuum of space. This obviously causes problems.

The initial applications get around this by pulsing the field rapidly to merely slow time within the chamber. By doing so, the reference frame is kept to within a few meters of the device itself, and the differences in motion over time are something that can be successfully dealt with.

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>not wanting death by supermassive black hole
There are so many reasons why that's the best way to die.
>least lethal type of black hole, you survive long enough to see what a black hole is like past the event horizon
>you would see the superstructure of the universe seem to flow (brightness and wavelength may need to be adjusted for, though possibly not)
>the information-destroying conditions of a black hole may cause some weird quantum effect to happen from the explorer's perception


but if i make a better machine that fixes all these limitations….then what?


I wanna live until I get bored of living, seems like a fitting end. Lifes like a party no one knows who started, we're all here invited by someone and slowly people leave and people enter. Evntually I'll get tired of all the n



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We hear a whole lot about how our grandparents thought we'd having flying cars by now, and a bunch of other pessimistic bullshit.

Let's post some optimism: Times people predicted our advances spot on, or times when they greatly underestimated us.

I'll start off with some Isaac Asimov, author of 'iRobot'.

“Complete lunches and dinners, with the food semiprepared, will be stored in the freezer until ready for processing. I suspect, though, that even in 2014 it will still be advisable to have a small corner in the kitchen unit where the more individual meals can be prepared by hand, especially when company is coming.”

“Robots will neither be common nor very good in 2014, but they will be in existence. “

“Large solar-power stations will also be in operation in a number of desert and semi-desert areas — Arizona, the Negev, Kazakhstan. In the more crowded, but cloudy and smoggy areas, solar power will be less practical.”

“By 2014, only unmanned ships will have landed on Mars, though a manned expedition will be in the works and in the 2014 Futurama (not the cartoon) will show a model of an elaborate Martian colony.”

“Mankind will suffer badly from the disease of boredom, a disease spreading more widely each year and growing in intensity. This will have serious mental, emotional and sociological consequences, and I dare say that psychiatry will be far and away the most important medical specialty in 2014. The lucky few who can be involved in creative work of any sort will be the true elite of mankind, for they alone will do more than serve a machine.”


Flying cars were never made because they were nothing but a cheap gimic, similar to how you used the wii for the motion controls but quickly got tieed of them. Soon enough people wouldn't buy the cars and it would fail. In its place we've been working on other stuff that are much more usefull like development of vr.

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Biohacking thread then. What do you want and are you too squeamish to do it?
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Have a little fucking vision man

Art made of magnetic fields
Magnetic fields as silent communication
Teaching kids about the true nature of "invisible" forces
N/S orientation (well not for a while here)

Even without all of this, it's just a new way to percieve the world. We can't really anticipate it's uses because we literally haven't experienced this kind of sense yet.


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I would never do this out of sheer paranoia. Just imagine the implications the government could used it for. They could track you indefinitely or even use it to control you.


Its a fucking neodymium magnet in your skin. It's not a chip or Rfid. It doesn't receive or transmit data. It cannot hold data at all. It is functionally identical to every other simple permanent magnet in existence, meaning it can't be used to identify you.
It can't control your movements at at, it's about strong as a fly butting against one of your fingers.
It is less traceable than a belt buckle, and orders of magnitude less traceable than, say a phone, TV, house or posting here.


This is extremely retarded. May natural selection select these morons out. Sage.



>It cannot hold data at all.

Well, yes it very well could, but basically anything can hold data in some way.

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hey /future/
which Pokémon would you fuck?

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They can only go over certain surfaces…

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Very interesting paper outlining the possible future of civilization where, instead of outward expansion into space, it undergoes an inward compression to smaller and smaller scales. Eventually leading the civilization into, essentially, artificial black holes.
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The article seems to overlook that only some of a civilization will leave the universe.
Even if it's 99%, there'd be billions, or trillions; maybe even more beings who didn't leave the universe.
And they'd be the beings less inclined towards leaving the universe, so many of them and increasily many of their descendants would stay in the universe.
Thus transcension is not why we haven't seen any signs of extraterrestial intelligence.



If it's a hive-mind situation, like ants or the Borg, they may not leave anyone behind. However, we already have empirical evidence that not every civilization will be a hive mind, so all this becomes is another term in the Drake equation which is equal neither to zero nor to one.


Niggerscension. There seems to be a hard upper limit to anons' IQ.


>we already have empirical evidence that not every civilization will be a hive mind

What is the evidence exactly?

My personal guess is that a 'hive-mind' is a necessary side-effect of sufficient technological advancement, but I don't know of any empirical evidence that could support or deny this.


We're the empirical evidence. We may end up with some sets of humanity spinning off into hive minds, but that still leaves behind the civilization that spawned them.

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Looks like the world population won't plateau this century as previously expected.

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Once we figure out how to travel between different dimensions we'll just put up shop there.


>100 get
By then we'll have spread ourselves all over the galaxy.


Yikes, billions of people in Africa?
Given how useless Africa is to the world (Contribution to humanity in many parts of it is probably negative due to the charity input required to keep everyone from dying) we're not going to have a fun time.


This. Space will be colonized by the intelligent and the wealthy. Eventually only Africans will be on earth lel.


>Once we figure out how to travel between different dimensions
>different dimensions
I suggest "we" get rid of fucking idiots first.

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Let's get a discussion going over the future of casual computing. In other words, what comes after the iPhone?

I think that a visor system with an AV-based interface is likely in the next 15 years. This kind of system would take microphone, camera and gyro input, send the data to a remote server which would figure out what the user wants, and receive content to show the user through headphones and a heads-up projection. Of course, it has GPS and a retinal security system too.


I cant fucking believe we dont have AR HUDs in our car windshields yet



I know this would be bulky and unpopular, but a helmet with a HUD display (kind of like a fighter jet) could be interesting for a car. City driving wouldn't really warrant it, but the potection potential could be useful for some. It could also detect drowsiness in a person and alert them.

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Tell me how eventually transhumanism will be introduced on a wide scale and how society/state/corps will manage suck all the good out of it, leaving a future as bleak as the present if not worse.


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I found this article to be quite informative on the subject:

I am mainly on the side that humanity needs to get past this hedonistic sleepwalking into overpopulation before we even get to true transhumanism.
If something like what ebola is turning out be happens and culls a lot of the retard fatasses out of the gene pool, I will expect humanity to reach the fucking stars.


I like to mention that for point 5, there seems to be a large overlap between the transhumanist community and the effective altruism community, which certainly prioritizes stuff like malaria prevention over AI research, even over "friendly" AI research in the context of reducing x-risk.

That said, the biggest motivator for AI researchers I see time and time again is making someone smarter than us to solve all those problems for us. And fair enough, if you consider them solvable as it is then it's as good as solved post-singularity.

I too often see "what about starving children in africa" as an argument against futurism in general and it just kind of irks me, as it feels like it's not really grasping what kind of paradigm shifts are being talked about and the scale on which they would affect the whole world.


Transshamanism. Grow up, get a brain.

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Discuss artificial intelligence related developments and discoveries ITT.
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What are people's thoughts on whether we'll first program a general intelligence "from scratch" or simulate a human brain? I feel like either scenario will reshape our world beyond imagining but in greatly different ways.


The latter has already been done to a very limited extent, wetware has been simulated.
Can't find out exactly what kind of brain activity was being simulated though.



been reading some of Robin Hanson's discussion on ems and thinking about what the world could be like with scads of simulated people is just beyond what I can think about, to think the world could change so much in my lifetime is ridiculous. And that's thinking pre-singularity even.


There are still plenty of not very well documented places on the planet. If there weren't, we would have found MH370 by now. It's just that most of these places are highly hostile to human life, so you probably won't be going there personally.


Murder me.

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So how many of you guys posted in the space elevator threads on halfchan /pol/? Having an entire board dedicated to this subject is pretty cool. Picture is thorium because I couldn't find a related image.
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Did spaceelevator join us in the exodus to 8chan? It would be great if he started posting on the superior chan


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It looks like as soon as we can mass produce either carbon nanotubes or these fancy new diamond nanotubes,a space elevator will be in the bag.

What other engineering issues are there?



There are Space Elevator threads on 8chan /pol/ now. Not by the actual SE, but still.



Based Fucking Space Elevator


I'll space YOUR elevator

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