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vague OP, would have been more ideal to post or at least share here:

>>248818

but a fresh OP image is good for awhile to draw new attention/stimulate discussion. Ongoing Chelsea/Eron legal thread is best though.

Quinn has been treating these proceedings like a joke. I don't know if she's counting on crying soggy knees + the legal team hired by Alex's blood money allowance to bail her out. This disrespect for the proceedings is going to bite her in the ass eventually.

>>272869

Your honor you see I was afraid for my life because someone mocked my weight on an anonymous imageboard once.

>>272874

She's become complacent and overconfident because she is so used to her ploys working.

Nobody has stood fast against her for so long, let alone with so much support.

She has no idea what she is up against. She has no idea that the law is not on her side and only temporarily benefitted her because of a perversion of it that could not be reproduced under widespread public scrutiny and capable legal support.

For the first time in her life, LW might be about to get her ass whupped for being a lying decietful manipulative malicious little twat.

And she will not go quiet into that night, but there will still be little to nothing that she can do about it.

>>272907

Hahaha, look how goofy they are! :D

Another thread mentioned that Zoe is playing a long game. Testifying in court means getting bitchslapped with perjury charges PLUS she can continue to play victim, attacking the judge for being a woman hating meanie and have her journalist friends slander the judge and claim any victory Erin obtained is "tainted" because the judge did not let Zoe speak, fuck reality and the law and Zoe willingly forfeiting her right to testify in her defense

>>272940

Eron will have to raise that in court, and outline that she's currently waging a PR war against him–that any attempt to silence her will just embolden her stupidity and the stupidity of the SJW's. He should do as you said (including the perjury bits), but ask the judge to simply keep in mind Quinn's disdain for the process.

There's no way she "forgot" to file on time. She was likely told to do this so that she could try for the court of public opinion, or possibly to demand another trial because, "muh oppression".

>>272907

Jesus christ she's so BIG. It's like some bizarre mutant trying to barely contain itself hidden inside some stolen human skin

>>272945

Whatever reason she chose not to file, the restraining order she had put on Eron is for cases of domestic violence. You can't say "I fear for my safety constantly" and "forgot to file, lol". The mess she'd make of trying to square that circle is a compelling reason for Eron to push for her to be allowed to speak.

>if the court agrees to hear Gjoni’s appeal Quinn will be required to sit in silence

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I SO hope they entertain the appeal. The look on that cow's face when she is ordered to zip her howling screamer under penalty of being held in contempt will be priceless, not to mention the inevitable shitstorm and cries of "B'AAAAAAAWWWWW ZOE A GOOD GIRL SHE DINDU NUFFIN THE CIS JUDGE WONT EVEN LET HER TALK BECAUSE MUH SOGGY KNEES #SMASHTHEPATRIARCY"

>>272953

You know, the sad thing is that she wants to turn around and say that the evil patriarchy court systems wouldn't even let her speak! This is classic bullshit from emotional abusers

>not show up in court

>lose your right to speak

>tell everyone you couldn't speak in court, and make up some bullshit reason that has nothing to do with why you couldn't talk in the first place that blames someone else for your own fuck ups and consequences

>all the victims believe it

>???

>Patreon

>>272956

Yeah but we have documented evidence from the Gov't itself that she failed to meet the deadline.

Archive of the article in the OP, in case anything happens: https://archive.is/nvZ8J

>>272967

Well, we better act on this properly when the time comes. People should be well versed in their shenanigans now, straw men and the other bullshit they do. If not, maybe people should start making a thread for it.

I hope that Eron and his lawyers/the court grants Zoe extended time to testify, otherwise she'll just complain that they didn't let her speak and 'silenced a woman in court,' which all the publications will run with.

Who am I kidding, she'll refuse to testify either way and run with that story regardless.

>>272973

The hell…

>>272985

Haha, she is short as fuck too

>>273000

needs purple hair an inferiority complex

>>272983

>she'll refuse to testify either way and run with that story regardless.

Wouldn't that be contempt of court if she was asked to testify and didn't?

>>272973

>>273095

Fuck off and stop trying to derail the thread Chelsea.

>>273101

I see from the photo here >>272907 that you have put the weight back on. Too much comfort food in your diet?

bump

>>272983

If a news publishes that, wouldn't it be libel?

Looks like they serviced her brief. Just slow system.

http://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/display_docket.php?dno=2015-P-0540

>>273310

Does the date represent the Day the brief was processed or the day it was received?

>>273310

vexing, to say the least.

Can someone fill me in on what exactly Eron will have to bring to the table if the gag order is lifted? I keep seeing hype over it, but not so sure how it's supposed to help GG.

And honestly, whatever he says, I can't see it going but so far, based on how willfully ignorant people are being about Sarah Butts' case.

>>273394

to the best of my knowledge, it would be validating info that we already know, in the same way that Milo's articles on Randi and Nyberg are valid by going through rigorous lawyer checks for authenticity to prevent libel lawsuits.

If the gag order is lifted, it means the courts are agreeing that everything he thezoeposted is true, and it's a crippling way to dismantle anything anti's would say to defend her in any discussion.

>>273421

>crippling way to dismantle anything anti's would say to defend her in any discussion

"The court is an inherently patriarchal institution that discriminates against women."

My money is on a variant of that.

>>273394

>>273421

More or less, yeah. The gag order prevents Eron from saying anything about Zoe or the zoepost, which has allowed LW1 and the socjus crew to spread whatever lies they want about him and the zoepost. Since he couldn't legally defend himself he had to just sit there and take it. The entire thing was a farce, though. The trial that got him gagged was an abortion of justice that shouldn't have happened. Yeah, the order would go away on its own soon but the point of forcing an appeal is making the justice system formally recognize the bullshit that he's been put through.

It'd benefit GG because, well, even though LW1 is just an itsy bitsy teeny tiny part of GG, the SJW narrative about GG has been built in part on their lies about the zoepost. So many of them like to come back to it and talk about how GG was misogynist trash from day 1. The complete freedom from consequences they were handed in regards to the zoepost and Eron has been a weapon the SJWs haven't hesitated to use and abuse If Eron wins his appeal and the court formally recognizes that he was shafted and LW1 lied all along, that weapon gets taken away from SJWs and handed to Eron/GG instead.

>>273434

Okay, makes sense. It's been a while, so I forgot all the BS spin that people were putting on the zoepost.

Still, people ignoring every piece of evidence against Sarah Butts' innocent facade doesn't give me hope that this will do much now. It definitely would have helped last year.

>>273421

>If the gag order is lifted, it means the courts are agreeing that everything he thezoeposted is true, and it's a crippling way to dismantle anything anti's would say to defend her in any discussion.

Even if the courts agree, what is illegal about what Zoe did…in relation to Eron and the gaming industry..not the abuse of the court system that is…

I believe she's a terrible person, a hack, and a gaslighter, but I never saw much criminality described in the Zoepost per se.

> court formally recognizes that he was shafted and LW1 lied all along,

For what though?

>cheating on Eron

Obviously shitty but not a crime.

>Gaslighting emotional abuse etc.

Obviously shitty but not a crime.

>Games industry collusion

No way this is getting proven through zoepost, and anticollusion trials have always been huge things generally with all of an industry's competitors on one side and the monopoly on the other… not a group of consumers and a fractured game journo industry.

>perjury

Ok, but folks looking into this have said it's incredibly hard to get perjury to stick and she can probably deflect a lot of it from actual personal consequences since the lower court allowed all of it.

What can Eron really gain out of this? Don't get me wrong I'd love to see something actually damaging come out of this but I just don't see how.

Most likely I see the lower court getting a slap on the wrist in the form of a checkbox on a form somewhere that then sits in the basement for eternity and nothing that actually matters in the real world happening.

>>273445

>It's been a while, so I forgot all the BS spin that people were putting on the zoepost.

No trouble, it's easy to forget with all the other shit going on in GG. But when you look at it, it's really sickening. They routinely reverse it all on Eron. If any of the zoepost is true, LW1 is a psychological abuser and a prolific one, and yet the one routinely pegged as a psychotic abuser is Eron. And he can't say a word to defend himself.

>Still, people ignoring every piece of evidence against Sarah Butts' innocent facade doesn't give me hope that this will do much now. It definitely would have helped last year.

The only people ignoring evidence against Butts is the socjus clique itself. They were never going to accept it. Ever. If Nyberg went on national TV and played video of herself raping toddlers to death they'd try to find a way to spin it to make it okay. It's for all the neutrals and normies out there watching. In the real world, outside the comfy hugbox she's sealed herself in, she's fucked, even if she doesn't go to jail for anything. Good luck doing anything outside the hugbox ever again.

>>273454

>Nyberg

>She

Pick one, faGGot

>>273425

>"The court is an inherently patriarchal institution that discriminates against women."

>My money is on a variant of that.

Except it blatantly isn't.

Women get off light on nearly all violent crims, even rape charges against men, even if they're children sometimes.

Alimony is heavily biased in favor to women, and child custody.

>>273483

Sorry, don't feel like providing the Pedo Defense Force with cherrypicked screenshots to screech about on Twitter just so I can have thirty seconds of goodfeels about sticking to an ugly tranny when the pedo shit is far more damning than pointing out she stands up to pee is.

>>272869

I blinked, the fuck's going on?

>>273451

>court formally recognizes that he was shafted and LW1 lied all along

If LW1 lied under oath, she committed perjury.

>>273485

One could (rightfully) point out that the courts are discriminatory, but it's in favor of women.

They won't admit to that female privilege, though.

>>273485

I never found truth to have much in common with the narrative, did you?

>>273451

>What can Eron really gain out of this?

Not so much for Eron, but it could set a precedent regarding free speech on the net as well as in regards to restraining orders for silencing criticism.

Maybe a lawfag can confirm or expand, but afaik, previous decisions are used by courts to ensure the law is applied fairly or something, but if a case is settled or dropped, or I guess in this case if the restraining order were vacated, it would keep open a loophole to be used again in the future?

>>273425

Can we find a way to get a female judge? They'd probably still try to spin it, but I doubt many people would believe that a woman in such a position of power suffers from internalized soggy knees.

>>273701

>but I doubt many people would believe that a woman in such a position of power suffers from internalized soggy knees

You'd be surprised.

>>273310

>>273335

It looks like the form was processed today the 18th (or yesterday depending on time zones). It was submitted on the 15th.

This would appear to make the submission late by a day.

It look like Chelsea may be up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe.

>>273394

Potentially (but admittedly not super likely), perjury charges against van Valkenburg.

>>273743

If it's a day late, then she's a dollar short

>>274020

Look at http://www.ma-appellatecourts.org/display_docket.php?dno=2015-P-0540

The notice of appearances were submitted on the 14th but the service of brief was submitted on the 15th.

>>274042

Wasnt the due date extended to 8/28 as per

>05/14/2015 #5 MOTION to extend brief & appendix due date, filed by Eron Gjoni

and

>05/15/2015   RE#5: Allowed to 08/28/2015. Notice sent.

?

>>274225

Wait, nvm, Burger's due date was 9/14

>>274227

>due date was 9/14

Yup and it looks like they missed it. It seems that they were too busy telling the court "I'm coming to court. How good am I?!"

Big update, guys. Looks like we may be close to a happening here:

http://matthewhopkinsnews.com/?p=2509

>>282688

nice!

>>282688

lel

This will take time. Eron's lawyers will take the time to allow chelsea to completely fuck herself over. It is to be expected, it is part of her personality to do so.

The comment at the bottom seems interesting. Do we know for a fact that she legally changed her name to "Zoe Quinn"? If so, it may be an attempt by her to hide her privileged background and her family connections.

>>282688

lel

This will take time. Eron's lawyers will take the time to allow chelsea to completely fuck herself over. It is to be expected, it is part of her personality to do so.

The comment at the bottom seems interesting. Do we know for a fact that she legally changed her name to "Zoe Quinn"? If so, it may be an attempt by her to hide her privileged background and her family connections.

>>272953

>>272956

Which is extra hilarious, because Eron and his lawyer were the ones silenced in the original trial that got the gag order slapped on him, and that was for absolutely no reason. If she is left unable to speak it'll be through no fault but her own negligence.

>>282688

I fucking hope this gets somewhere

>>282813

She and her supporters would find some way to spin it to have her be the victim. It doesn't even have to be a good reason as we've all seen with the pedobutts incident.

>>282688

>The court website shows that on the same day as filing to strike, Gjoni filed a bunch of court documents and asked the court to take ‘judicial notice’, which suggests that the motion to strike may well relate to the Washington judgement.

I'm no legal expert, but it sounds like he's going after a major lynch pin of her case.

>>282726

>Do we know for a fact that she legally changed her name to "Zoe Quinn"?

Volokh says she did:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/08/24/you-are-also-ordered-not-to-post-any-further-information-about-the-plaintiff/

>Eron Gjoni was briefly romantically involved with Chelsea Van Valkenburg, a computer game developer who used the pen name Zoe Quinn, and who I am told has recently changed her name legally to Zoe Quinn. (The case was entered into the court system under the name Van Valkerburg rather than Van Valkenburg or Quinn, so the briefs use Van Valkerburg.)

>>283019

I get the feeling that Quinn is trying to change her own history (from a van Valkenburg/Valkerburg). Thereby putting distance between herself and her past actions.

I'm attempting to do a report on either this case or the previous one (which involved the gag order). Anyone have a good info dump on either one or the other?

>>283884

There isn't much on the appeals as although the gag order has been lifted from Eron, he'd rather be cautious in what he says until the big appeal is done.

He's said he'd reveal more than he does before then if the donors largely want him too, but being careful resonates at the moment.

This is a look at the affidavit for the gag order:

https://medium.com/@brokenomelette/understanding-the-zoe-affidavit-29d001415f23

https://archive.is/rbLev

Public info on current and pending appeal:

http://ma-appellatecourts.org/display_docket.php?dno=2015-P-0540

http://ma-appellatecourts.org/display_docket.php?dno=DAR-23470

and Volokh published his amicus brief on his blog.

>>282962

IIRC, Hopkins theorised that he may be trying to strike any argument that he was legally threatening or harassing, because the judge in the other case she tried to get a second restraining order from found that he wasn't doing any of that shit, so it's already judged, and since that's the only thing that justifies the violence prevention order she used, she's proper fucked. Makes sense, otherwise someone could try some bullshit in 50 states and wait for it to stick.

>>283019

>Has a cool name like Van Valkenburg

>Changes it to something that sounds like a batman villain

>>283051

She is going to need to ditch the ZQ name before too long at the rate she is going

>>284269

>cool

>burg or berg

pick one, jew.

>>284333

I pick burg

>>284321

>>284321

New Game;

What's Chelsea's next identity be? Do it football pool style?

>>282726

>privileged background

>family connections

Does she even have any of that? I know that back in the day, /pol/ desperately tried to connect her to old money, yet the only solid thing that ever came up was her dad owning a motorcycle repair shop.

Maybe he has some connections to the Hell's Angels or something, but I doubt that's useful in SJW circles.

>>284347

>yet the only solid thing that ever came up was her dad owning a motorcycle repair shop.

IIRC The motorcycle repair shop was from the first fake dox about chelsea, her father's alleged phone number was from hawaaii.

>>284666

You seem to be under the delusion that being nuts is a choice, Satan.

I agree we shouldn't humor the special snowflakes who change genders like they change shirts, but unfortunately dysphoria is as real as depression, bipolarity or OCD, and since it's simpler to change the body than the mind, well…

>>284731

I agree that illnesses should be treated. However, there is no other mental disease of which I know whose treatment involves pumping the afflicted full of hormones and hoping for the best.

>>284735

Uh.

Every single one of them? With either hormones or some other foreign chemical, and hoping for the best is always part of the equation. Seriously, psychiatric drugs aren't made of sugar and certainty.

Point is, when you're ill, something has to change so that the discrepancy disappears. Dysphorics are relatively fortunate compared to other mentally ill people in that they aren't limited to having to strong-arm their brain into accepting how things are. Given that most people are uncomfortable with the idea of having their mind tampered with, is it any surprise a lot of them choose the other option?

>>284737

So Butts should be treated by giving him as many 8 years old girls as he wants? That's the simplest option afterall…

>>284784

>comparing personal surgery & hormone treatment to the sexual enslavement of kids

So how's that false equivalency treating you?

>>284819

It's equivalent as both are enabling their mental illness not treating it.

>>284834

No, see, you're misusing "enabling" here. It basically means when someone's mental illness is treated as more important than someone else's life (the most common usage is in abusive relationships, where the abused enables the abuser by putting the relationship above their own well-being in terms of priority).

So in the case of pedos, letting them diddle is indeed a horrid form of enabling, since you're putting their satisfaction above the kids' safety and health. On the other hand, helping a dysphoric person get hormone treatment isn't enabling, since the life most affected is their own, and in a way that suits them.

I mean really, what does it matter to you or anyone else if someone wants a beard and a dick/tits and a vagina? What's the difference between that and getting extensive tattoos or other body mods?

>>284843

>>284834

Addendum: the problem with mental illnesses isn't their irrationality but their pervasiveness. Everyone has irrational behavior; it crosses the threshold into mental illness when it becomes detrimental to one's life, comfort and/or freedom.

As such, treating a mental illness basically means doing whatever is reasonably possible to allow the mentally ill to resume having a fulfilling life, even if it means drastically changing that life. Putting kids in an unhealthy situation isn't a reasonable measure by any stretch of the word, but extensive body modifications can be done even without any medical justification (see plastic surgery, body mod artists like Lizard Man, etc.) As such, if switching around a few organs allows a dysphoric person to not have their brain freak out every time it senses their own body, why the fuck shouldn't we let them do so?

>>284843

If you give a tranny a "sex change" (which you can't really as it's impossible) then you drastically increase their chance of committing suicide.

>>284850

The proper treatment is to sort out their psychological problems so that they no longer have the delusion of being the opposite sex.

>>284852

That's a statistical claim. Source?

>>284854

You fundamentally misunderstand the concept of dysphoria.

Maybe you'll understand better if I talk about phantom limbs, the condition amputees have where their brain is still wired to believe it has four limbs. What happens is that the discrepancy between the body and how the brain perceives the body creates, at best, a constant unease, and at worst painful tactile hallucinations. This is dysphoria in the general sense: a disconnect between the body and the brain's self-image.

Transsexuals suffer from sexual dysphoria, where for whatever reason (as I understand it the prevailing theory is hormonal imbalance in the womb) their brain is mapped to a body of the opposite sex. They aren't delusional; they know full well what their body's sex is, much like an amputee knows full well they've lost a limb. Unfortunately, conscious thought is but a fraction of what drives the brain, so just willing oneself to accept one's body is a momentous, often impossible task. If it can circumvented through surgery, more power to them.

All in all, I'm under the impression your only interaction with trans people has been Brianna Wu and Sarah Butts. Those two are certifiably shitty assholes, but not because they're trans. Most trans people are pretty much decent people who happen to suffer from sexual dysphoria, no more or less.

>>284859

That's all well and good for true sufferers of sexual dysphoria, but a lot of people we encounter(I use "dumblr" as a nice collective term) don't suffer from sexual dysphoria, but SSS(special snowflake syndrome). They realize that just having a vagina and believing you're a woman gets you no attention in their social circle, so they invent some new gender to identify themselves by (semi-demi hetero-passing genderfluid-queer with bun/buns/bunself pronouns, or some shit like that) because they want to be the specialest snowflake in the fucking blizzard that is the people of Dumblr.

>>284860

We are in full agreement here.

tumblr's brand of social justice has created an environment where having an identity as far removed as possible from the "mainstream" is rewarded with backpats and not getting yelled at. It's an actual example of a toxic environment where "being" and "having" blend and mesh until they're indistinguishable; however, do understand that this is not the standard for the vast majority of the population. It is, in the end, a minority that's as loud as it is small.

Guys, stop sliding the thread.

>>284891

Who gives a shit. Take it to /pol/. LW isn't a tranny.

>>284893

We're fighting cultural marxism. If you support cultural marxism, such as John Money's propaganda about transexuality, then you can fuck off to ghazi.

>>284891

>>284895

>species dysphoria

Is not a thing that exists. You're comparing apples to mermaids.

Also, I asked for a statistical study, not an article. If there's one thing /gg/ has taught me, it's that journalists can't be trusted with boiling political topics such as this.

Side note: I agree with the guy about not letting children do that stuff. Only informed and consenting adults.

>>284895

>>284896

This is a thread about LW missing a court date.

NOT a thread about trannies.

If you wish to continue to debate the topic, at least do it in a thread about a tranny. eg http://8ch.net/gamergatehq/res/284582.html#284582

There Problem solved.

>>284896

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

>Species dysphoria is the experience of dysphoria, sometimes including dysmorphia (excessive concern over one's body image), associated with the feeling that one's body is of the wrong species. Earls and Lalumière (2009) describe it as "the sense of being in the wrong (species) body… a desire to be an animal".

>>284898

This thread is getting shilled. These are goon tactics.

>>284950

It looks like they went to that thread. It could just be their autism.

>>272948

she just looks big because Anita is basically a thumbnail

>>284898

Speaking of trannies, what's the deal with the fact that they are coming out of the woodwork like cockroaches?

>>285056

A massive amount of them are bald-faced liars who are simply seeking attention.

>>285057

They're everywhere. It's like a covenant invasion.

Does paper #15 mean that Quinn's late submission is going to be thrown out of court? Is quinn going to be forced to be silent during the appeal hearing?