/gamergatehq/ - #GamerGate and #NotYourShield

Whoever made that image forgets that Milo is not synonymous with GG, especially when he's talking about something so tangentially related. I agree with you though.

>>297889

Actually I don't, the theorys regarding the holocaust /pol put forward are so flawed that I generally question there intelligence. That's not the issue, the holocaust happend. PERIOD. While this is a anti-free-speach law. Can you explain to me what is diffrent in your opinion, to mustafa? Can you make a case, why mustafa get's support and a old granny not. I am just generally intrested!

>>297890

Good to hear so I dont feel alien with my opinion. Milo in no regards stands for GG, while he is a big megaphone of GG. I disagree with alot what Milo/Breitbart puts forward.

In general, this might get use horrible PR, PR-cuck or not, that is a big concern. Plus it's quite far away from concerns about the quality in videogame journalism. I am pr-cuck myself, I fear about what progressive outlets would make about #GG supporting her. While I am also thinking this is not diffrent from Mustafa. And I supported Mustafa. I really don't know, I would just like to hear more points of view from the GG crowed.

>>297892

you're a bitch-idiot-retard, and this is /pol/ tier content. Go argue with them on it, the only 87 year old woman you could get us to care about would be Shirley Curry, vid related

>>297896

/pol tier content? /pol would say something, just because the holocaust didn't happen, it isn't a good idea. I am saying the holocaust happend, she is demonstrable wrong. I dispise her shit, I think /pol-tards feel so prosecuated from jews because of those laws. Which fuels there anger and a drop of those laws would make it easier to wash people's heads from revisionist conspiracy theorys.

Those law's mystifiy the holocaust. The first genocide of the 20th centuary happend in nambia and nobody bat's an eye on that. When I petitioned to recognize the german genocide on the nambian people, nobody cared from the press. Why shall we only recongize jewish suffering. What's with the armenia people aswell? So many questions. Rape-Culture-Denial shall be included in those laws btw.

But all of that dosen't matter. What matters is free specch yes or not? Did you stand with mustafa? If yes you are a hypocrite if you don't stand with that granny aswell and you would do everybody a favor if you leave gg.

Just a STRONG FUCK YOU, I am everything else then /pol.

>>297900

waste of dubs, ugh.

Listen, you garbled-english kraut: when people talk about "denying the holocaust" they aren't literally saying it never happened, only that it didn't happen on the grandiose scale that was sold to the world public. Their argument(which is not my own, since I am so far distanced from evidence for or against) is that the German concentration camps did exist, but were more humane than reported, and that the deaths numbered in the tens or hundreds of thousands from poor upkeep and institutional normalization of prisoner abuse and not the gas-chamber death machines they've been portrayed as. So the argument is 5-6 figures in deaths, not the 6 million reported.

beyond that discussion, which again is not GamerGate, what you're proposing is a free-speech issue orders of magnitude beyond our scope. There's 200ish regular posters here, and maybe 10 times that in lurkers, but we're not going to mobilize into a no-win situation that doesn't concern LWs or gaming.

So go fuck yourself

I do what I do for GG and post here for a very specific range and purpose of interests, and what is or isn't illegal in your filthy warm beergarten culture on the other side of the world doesn't particularly concern me. In fact, you've convinced me: no more games for Germany. There. You now have a Hamburgerland embargo on you for good video games, and will have to settle for euro-indie shit or JRPGS and VNs for your Frankfurter sausage-country.

We will consider releasing hamburger games into your economy again when you learn to stop tip-toeing around the feelings of brown people and the jews.

ASHES! ASHES!

WE ALL

FALL

DOWN!

>>297903

>beyond that discussion, which again is not GamerGate, what you're proposing is a free-speech issue orders of magnitude beyond our scope. There's 200ish regular posters here, and maybe 10 times that in lurkers, but we're not going to mobilize into a no-win situation that doesn't concern LWs or gaming.

That point I agree on. GamerGate started over introduction of politics to gaming, to include more politics won't help, GamerGate's cause. Also it dosen't get as to a win situation.

>In fact, you've convinced me: no more games for Germany. There. You now have a Hamburgerland embargo on you for good video games, and will have to settle for euro-indie shit or JRPGS and VNs for your Frankfurter sausage-country.

>We will consider releasing hamburger games into your economy again when you learn to stop tip-toeing around the feelings of brown people and the jews.

What ever that shall mean.

>>297892

>I generally question there intelligence

>question there intelligence

>there intelligence

>there

>>297900

>>297903

historians have to pick a better arguments to tell the truth don't they? also those stormfag whackos aren't making it easy either if they are all about the edginess than the message.

5,999,999 Jews died in the holocaust. Come get me Germany ;P

>>297888

My opinion is that she shouldn't be imprisoned, she didn't threat anyone and only stated an opinion. Regardless of whether the Holocaust happened or not, it's just retarded to imprison someone for not having the "Right" opinion or conviction.

Still, sage because I feel like this kind of thread doesn't really create any productivity since it's basically "EITHER YOU DO THIS OR YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE" even though everyone has different opinions and stances regarding the Mustafa thing.

Obviously I do agree with Milo.

I agree with you OP.

Free speech is freedom to express ideas. If an idea is forbidden speech, there is no free speech in that place.

But what exactly are you saying here? That we should make a gamergate effort in this case as well? Or are you just consulting our opinion on it?

>>297903

>beyond that discussion, which again is not GamerGate, what you're proposing is a free-speech issue orders of magnitude beyond our scope. There's 200ish regular posters here, and maybe 10 times that in lurkers, but we're not going to mobilize into a no-win situation that doesn't concern LWs or gaming.

This is true. Also with Mustafa we didn't really do much. A few of us tweeted in support of her free speech after Milo draw attention to the issue. And it was on the topic of feminism, something we are against since the beginning, so it was a matter of being coherent as well.

If GG is to fight for everyone's free speech regardless of the topic, we should rename this collective to something else and focus on free speech issues, because it's an already overwhelming task.

But again, of course I defend that woman's (OP's granny) right to doubt, question and even counter with facts and/or lies the topic at hand, because this is how free speech works and truth remains victorious in the end.

What I'm concerned only is if there truly is a co-opting effort coming from the Mustafa episode, since demanding that we change our priorities due to that event, under the argument of not being hypocrites, is nothing but co-opting for certain.

OP, again: what exactly are you asking us? To make a simple message of support and move on (like we did in the Mustafa episode), or to entrench ourselves into another long lasting and bigger fight that is free speech in Europe against such laws?

>>297896

>Granny playing skyrim.

I want to install giant penis mods and bestiality sex mods in her game the record her reaction

I don't think GG should do anything about it, but then I don't think GG should do anything about anything, because GG isn't a person.

Now the individuals in GG could very well take action in this situation, as many of us have free speech concerns about bullshit like this.

The same applies to any situation. I don't have a problem with it being mentioned here, but just because there is an intersection between the people who care about this and the people who care about GG, doesn't mean they are the same.

GG is not primarily a free speech group and taking any action under the name GG is playing into the hands of people who want to nail us down as a cohesive group.

Of course I stand with the old Nazi Granny.

Its always sad when the political elite in Germany turns on their own people because of guilt from stuff that happened 50 years ago when the world was very different.

>>297888

mustafas was interesting because it was obvious that the authoritarian I-don't-agree-with-it-so-it's-evil bitch "deserved" getting a taste of her own medicine, but it was still wrong so it was conflicting.

this is so obviously wrong that it's hard to get serious about

>>298041

70 years ago, internet people need to stop thinking it's still the 1990's

>>298050

Show me on the doll where the gamergater touched you.

>>297888

As a matter of fact, I did not stand with Bahar Mustafa so I have no obligation to stand for a crazy old hag who disregard facts.

I'm not delusional about free speech, unlike most peoples. Free speech is a right, doesn't stop that letting cancerous ideologies grow shouldn't be allowed.

This is all my own opinion, feel free to tell the opposite.

>>298052

>Show me on the doll where the gamergater touched you.

Best comment I saw in weeks. xD

>>298058

>Free speech is a right, doesn't stop that letting cancerous ideologies grow shouldn't be allowed.

This is a very good point!

>>298044

>mustafas was interesting because it was obvious that the authoritarian I-don't-agree-with-it-so-it's-evil bitch "deserved" getting a taste of her own medicine, but it was still wrong so it was conflicting.

Yeah Mustafa is kinda a special case, since she is in a group/political aviliation which pushes for such laws. That makes her a diffrent case the the nazi-granny.

>>298041

The nazis did also turn on there own people. People often forget about the amout of germans in those camps. While I have to point out that, the jewish camps where more inhumane, then those where political prisoners where. The intend to kill them where in both, but less severe for non-jews.

>>298036

>The same applies to any situation. I don't have a problem with it being mentioned here, but just because there is an intersection between the people who care about this and the people who care about GG, doesn't mean they are the same.

>GG is not primarily a free speech group and taking any action under the name GG is playing into the hands of people who want to nail us down as a cohesive group.

This comment is spot on!

>>298021

>Also with Mustafa we didn't really do much. A few of us tweeted in support of her free speech after Milo draw attention to the issue. And it was on the topic of feminism, something we are against since the beginning, so it was a matter of being coherent as well.

While I can also see, why people didn't like that support. The irony of a censorship pushing person, getting censored would have been so sweet.

>>298020

>But what exactly are you saying here? That we should make a gamergate effort in this case as well? Or are you just consulting our opinion on it?

Maybe not under the #GamerGate tag, while there is this on going on:

#IStandWithUrsula

>>298019

>EITHER YOU DO THIS OR YOU'RE A HYPOCRITE"

I don't want to come over like that, although I see why you get this impression.

>>297950

#IStandWithUrsula

>>297888

I'll say the same thing I did during the whole Bahar Mustafa thing; if you really want to participate, do it outside of the gamergate tag. You don't need to represent gamers or gamergate to support her.

JIDF here.

Holocaust denial laws are bullshit. They imply there's something to hide when there's nothing to be hidden. Holocaust denial laws are just about the only ammo stormfags have.

Just like SJWs, the best way to deal with deniers is to let them speak publicly and make fools of themselves.

>>297892

1st you working with the assumption /gghq/ supported Mustafa… consensus was that it was not worth it.

2nd why is "pol" asking us to defend a "similar" issue as Mustafa while /pol/ was decrying out loud and wide that anyone supported mustafa, cucks and Co.

Sound a tad hypocritical

>>298070

>JIDF

Jew I Despise Fucking?

Yeah I suck at knowing acronyms.

>>298095

>not knowing JIDF means Jewish Internet Defense Force

>>>/out/

>>298067

>While I can also see, why people didn't like that support. The irony of a censorship pushing person, getting censored would have been so sweet.

It serves the opposity purpose those for anyone fighting the person exactly because the person is pushing for censorship.

Me, at least, I don't fight people for being who they are. I see everything as only a fight of ideas. That's how forgiving, learning and evolving is possible, and how conflict can lead to peace. Unless it's simply a never-ending cycle of conflict, and this we've been having too much already.

So is her deal that the holocaust literally never happened, or just that it wasn't as bad as movies/TV/history books tell us?

>>298039

Jesus Christ that guy you just posted has two/three chins and looks like a beached whale.

From his facial expression it looks like he just threw up on himself.

Holocaust Denial seems pointless to me shit happened people died in gas chambers doesn't matter if it was 600000 or 6 gorillion people still died.