/gentoo/ - Technology

I changed my mind. I regret nothing.

>>514
I tried arch at first didn't realize it had systemd garbage so I removed it from virtualbox. Then i installed gentoo.

Arch would be great if it had no Systemd. Void looks promising, and runit is actually quite good. The only thing is that it has very few packages. It needs a larger community before the packages will come.

>>516
I've been an ubuntu fag for a while, so I'm a little surprised I managed to do it. Is gentoo much more difficult to get going? I wouldn't have been able to do any of this without Arch's excellent documentation.

>>518
To be honest, I don't know enough to have an opinion on systemd. I've read a couple emails from mailing lists and seen that it's taking some weird dependencies making it seem bloated, but at the same time I'm hearing it's made Linux faster. I keep hearing something along the lines of "SystemD is good for the end users, but a pain for the developers to deal with".

So far I like having a simple base to build up from, and above everything, I love having up-to-date software.

I've just had to upgrade the Debian on a Beaglebone Black, and systemd was sucked in– ugh. I had to replace systemctl with /bin/true just to get things going..

>>519
It also made linux faster but it made linux more bloated, Runit would be a better alternative for a init. Also I hear systemd breaks on some people computer. and they accept patches from nsa.

>>521
but gentoo runs faster on my computers than arch

>>514
Does it count if I only installed manjaro?

>>530
There is a huge difference between arch and its derivatives, so no.

I like Arch, but the installation process is just silly.

>>538
I've been meaning to switch to Parabola, either that or Void. Most people have this same opinion, but what about Arch makes it so great? AUR is a bad idea, no security anywhere. My biggest problem with Debian is the dependency hell, does Arch have that? Also, does Pacman keep eating user configs?

>>519
>I'm hearing it's made Linux faster
systemd uses "aggressive parallelization" for daemons (basically it starts everything all at once, rather than one at a time), which means that if your computer has a few dozen CPU cores and RAID, you'll see a huge speed boost.

On the other hand, if you're 90% of desktop users, you probably won't even notice the difference (it might even start up slower than the old init thanks to all the context switching).

>>538
The installation process is what I. (text)

>>570
I prefer*

>>538
>but the installation process is just silly

Why, do you have to manually partition with blind luck, dd, and a hex editor or something?

>>624
No that anon probably finds it to complicated. And won't use it.

>>567
There's going to be a lot of of giggles trying to use systemd on turnkey systems like routers.

>GOT YER 15 PROCESSES LAUNCHED IN PARALLEL YO!
>VTEC JUST KICKED IN YO!
>fuck, the system only has 32MB of RAM
>duuuuuuuude, have swap-space to NAND Flash on a router
>55 minutes to boot, yo!

>>626
Most consumer routers already have static init systems (i.e. written in C, no script/file support ala everything else). Makes it one hell of a pain to hide shit on them.

>>514
I don't understand what this image is trying to say.

>>672
>I don't understand what this image is trying to say.
At face value, it's just a crying girl (possibly boy), in other words OP is not happy with Arch.

[autism greatly intensifies]
But if we dig a bit deeper, we might think of the duck as an Arch installation, and OP as the boy girl in the image.

We see the girl boy playing with the duck, even making quacking noises; indicators that he enjoys this toy and is having fun. However, his sobbing says the exact opposite: he is not having fun. This could mean that OP feels trapped by Arch; unable or unwilling to switch, so he puts up a (rather transparent) front: "See! I like Arch! Look at me using p-pacman l-like a pro...".

Most probably, OP had some difficulty installing Arch and believes uninstalling it would be a waste of effort (or even "losing").

On a side note, the fact that OP used an image with a duck in it could be an unconscious reference to
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinting_%28psychology%29#Baby_duck_syndrome
In other words, OP fears a change in environment. But this is unlikely, as OP seems to imply he is new to Arch (i.e. baby duck syndrome wouldn't apply here).



Then again, maybe OP just picked some image at random because he wanted to talk about Arch.
Fuck if I know, mate.

>>524
It really depends on your definition of fast.
Systemd's going to speed up your boot times. It probably starts services a few nanoseconds faster too, but in terms execution speed it doesn't do shit.
It's just an init system, it doesn't make things 'faster'.