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9c23fc No.329

Introduction

There has been continuous ongoing discussion about developer boycotts, some people love it, some people hate it.

It is now causing the GGHQ board to become kill because Acidman wants to silence discussion. He doesn't like that some people might boycott devs and are trying to discuss what criteria should be applied to this whenever a dev slips up.

Why This Discussion Cant be on GGHQ

Because Acidman and his Knights of the Rulecuck Table will remove any posts which are too 'on point' and risk them seeing a political defeat.

Facets for Discussion

- Boycotts, Yes, Maybe, No?

- Value of Boycotts to Consumer Value

- Value of Boycotts to Developer/Industry Value

- Criteria under which a developer should be collectively boycotted?

- Boycott by GG as a group or attempt to go beyond?

- Mechanisms for achieving maximum penetration.

f07cca No.330

No.

You can't get an unorganized hashtag to boycott vidya.


9c23fc No.331

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>>330

Can't get a disorganised hashtag to email advertisers either, amirite?


cd59d9 No.332

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>bitch about this on /gamergatehq/ repeatedly

>start thread on different board

>volunteer tells you you're allowed to discuss it on /gamergatehq/

>"no I don't want to talk about it there"

Way to be a faggot, OP.


9c23fc No.333

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>>329

Boycotts, Yes, Maybe, No?

Yes, absolutely on a personal level.

Collectively, Yes with caveats.

But I would rather that thorough criteria are applied to avoid reactionary boycotts. This way a developer knows that if they misstep they will be penalised. It avoids a sense of 'minefield' customer service; which although correct is neither fair to customers who find themselves re-evaluating the developer on the fly nor the developer who doesn't understand what's happening.

Value of Boycotts to Consumer

A developer who misbehaves in various ways is an externality on the consumers pocket.

They will in one form or another achieve either extraordinary value due to malpractice, such as not paying their coders or artists, or using their connections with press gangs to drive a higher market price point and number of sales than their game merits. This externality is passed onto the consumers pocket directly.

Value of Boycotts to Developer/Industry

Bad devs use their connections to achieve extraordinary value over and above that of their competitors. If an artist working for one company isn't paid, then they will not go on to establish their own projects. If a company uses their media contacts to win a competition then they steal that contest from another developer who has done the work and deserves the award, prestige and market.

Ultimately there is a point where a boycott is in the mutual interest of both the wider developer community and the consumer and there are some cases where it is exclusively of value to the consumer.

Criteria under which a developer should be collectively boycotted?

Boycott by GG as a group or attempt to go beyond?

Mechanisms for achieving maximum penetration

I admit that I have not fully considered how this question should be answered at this time, and I feel a robust discussion will lead to some realisations on these themes.

Other

It should be noted that GamerGate has a track record of 'exceeding' boycotts with the press by actively informing advertisers. In addition we have effectively boycotted some developers out of business for good reason: See Polytron.


29b7de No.334

Boycotts don't work, they just make you look foolish. Since games cant predict how many sales they will get, and you aren't making recurring purchases, they are FUCKING RETARDED and will do NOTHING.

This ain't soap, faggot.


9c23fc No.335

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>>333

Thoughts on the Effectiveness of Boycotts

Just like emails the boycotts have little individual value, but if you get 50 or 60 people forcing a developer to make a statement, just like the press, you've got them.

They incriminate themselves and lose revenue.

Do you really think our email campaign was what has caused advertisers to pull from the press or was it the press' reaction?

The question isn't "how do I get enough boycottees to make it a noticeable cost". The question is "how do I cause a sufficiently reaction from a bad developer to cause customers to avoid them". That is a snowball that pays dividends.

Don't let the tail wag the dog by assuming size is as important as causing a reaction.


43ec89 No.336

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>>332

Is that why the other boycott thread got auto-sage'd?


9bfcce No.337

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can we just have a sticky defining

>>>/gg2/, >>>/gamergate/, >>>/gg/, >>>/burgersandfries/, and >>>/gamergatehb/ for general discussions(digging, investigations, news, meetups, etc.),

>>>/ggboycotts/ for boycotts,

and a compiled list of digging threads from each board?

and >>/gamergatehq/ for offtopic and ecelebs…


e880e2 No.339

>>332

Really now, nigger? I made a constructive thread about discussing the merits of boycotting, and explained why the arguments against boycotting are illegitimate, and my thread was deleted and I was perma-banned for "purposefully shit-stirring".

Yeah, they are actively censoring boycott topics and the people pushing them.

https://8ch.net/gg2/res/338.html


b27cf1 No.340

>>337

>and >>/gamergatehq/ for shitposting

FTFY


fb6fcb No.341

>>329

might be a good time to raise awareness of this board.

Please try and do that if possible acid seems to be on a binge today


9d57f5 No.350

>>337

Yes actually the directory we compiled Wi contain this. Hoping to have that posted when I get back in Internet range in a couple days. There will be alot of stickies initially however as there is going to be at least one for the current events/migration until things calm down.


e3bce5 No.351

>>337

I'd rather have one board for everything.

Both this board and >>>/burgersandfries/ seem like fine alternatives to /gghq/, it'd be nice to see either of them rise to the top.

Best is to just shill them whenever possible make good posts and OC here, cultivate a nice board. Hopefully every time Acid spergs out more users will come.


43ec89 No.352

The way I see it, creating a really good awareness campaign similar to www.eastarwars.com from that Russian anon, combining it with people speaking up against companies during the paid mods situation along with something similar to O:DN which creates the threat of a boycott would be a lot more effective than having a boycott on its own.

It lets you hit the company from the PR front and makes them worry about losing customers and losing money the same way advertisers were worried about advertising their stuff on Gawker due to losing potential customers along with having a PR nightmare after Gawker got shown what it really is on Twitter.


5cbd2c No.397

>>329

>Boycotts?

Yes for the love of god

>Value of boycotts

A consumer's only power in this world is that of his wallet, whether or not he spends his money or not. A boycott is merely the consumer exercising this power to dictate the path of the industry.

With a sizable enough boycott, you can force corporations to stop shitty business practices, such as the horrible relationship between publishers and journalists leading to gamers being shit on (Mountain Dewrito, ME3, DmC)

If we gather enough support, we can get everything we ever wanted. Support SJW shit? No money for you. Day 1 DLC, bullshit preorders? No money for you. Any other assorted jewish shit? No money!

It's quick, it's efficient. All it requires is a little self control. The XBoner and Steam Paid Mods shit were killed out of the mere fear of a boycott, we just need to stir up that sort of outrage.




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