/grim/ - Death's Waiting Room

For me, it's not very complicated. Entropy will win in the end. It doesn't matter what we do, how advanced we become. One day the sun will die and take this planet with it. Even if we should manage to escape that by colonizing other worlds, or just living in giant ass space hulks, every other star is going to do the same thing.

Roving black holes exist. Super massive black holes exist. Black holes can eat other black holes, and grow stronger. So the ultimate destiny of every single atom in existence is to be crushed forever into a single point at the bottom of one black hole that has consumed everything ever.

I view science as a source of entertainment in two ways: the pursuit of knowledge itself can be used as something to do during time spent alive, or one could look forward to and utilize the fruits of science. Additionally, science can help us to appreciate the extent of the inevitability of death. There is the universal death-time of heatdeath, and im sure there will be lots of other neat certain dooms we can predict such as quasars irradiating us, when it will become impossible to escape the rapidly increasing number of gravitational singularities, or resource death.

Science is a powerful tool for the nihilist, it allows them to grasp the scales of life and death, and constantly adds more to the side of life should the nihilist delay in deciding their doom date, and it reassures the nihilist that doom is certain so they ought not fret.

>Because from what I've heard some people argue that all truth is subjecte and thus worthless.

I think this argument is stupid. As in, English Major tier stupid.

Perception is our method of data collection, but denying that the data collected is actually there, that there really is an object we call a chair there, is silly. It's a twisting of language akin to all of the extreme leftist nonsense that has been sweeping the western world in recent years. I think the only reason that idea even exists is to make people feel good; to make them believe everything in the world conforms to their feelings; that if they feel it, it is true. It's about as arrogant a philosophy as you can get without outright saying that you're god.

When it comes to a non-overlord fuckboy's meaning behind nihilism, simply put, it means nothing we do matters in the long run. Everything will die, everything will end the same way, regardless of what we do.

When it comes to science, it is simply observing how things work out of curiosity. I don't quite understand how anything physical can have "meaning" beyond communicated messages, but existence is not conscious (which neither are we, but that's another argument), existence does not think, it just is.

For the comparison of nihilism to Zen Buddhism, I'd say that's not a very strong one. Zen Buddhism's philosophy of giving up materialism comes from the desire to have a happy ending: to reach enlightenment. On the other hand, nihilists see no enlightenment at the end of the tunnel.

You don't know, what you know, but you still wrong. Therefore nihilism in its self is flaw as soon as it attempted to claim anything. So the way is not thinking, and this is what Buddhism is about, so yea.

>>512

articulate your words man

>>458

>which neither are we, but that's another argument

You're referring to pessimistic determinism, aren't you?

>>458

there is no need for enlightenment

also where is our BO

>>530

Maybe. I'm not very familiar with pessimistic determinism, but simply put free will doesn't exist and consciousness is made up to make us feel special.

>>534

>there is no need for enlightenment

In Zen Buddhism, as I understand it, giving up material possessions and worldly desires to reach enlightenment is the goal.

>also where is our BO

What do you mean by BO?

>>534

I'm here, and getting ready for tonight's stream. I check in on the board at least once a day but only use my tripcode when I post if I feel it's necessary.

EDIT: By the way, if you need to get in touch with me, bring something to my attention, complain about something, say hi, call me a faggot, whatever, the best way to do that is by using the meta thread >>145

>>542

BO = Board Owner

>>543

i still got >>403 open BO let us rejoice together in the mass suffering of death

>>620

Send me an email and we'll talk.

>>458

Zen views language as a barrier to enlightenment but ultimately wants to overcome, as with all streams of Buddhism, the suffering that life accords us. Nihilism accepts we are unable to do so.

>>451

What you are referring to is close in nature to the theory of the big chill. but due to hawking radiation, and under the assumption that gravity won't overpower the expansion of the universe (dark energy), all matter will eventually fuse into its most stable element (probably iron, give or take a few protons), and the universe will cool to absolute zero.

>>525

Use grammar, man