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>>88144

>I want to write a reasearch paper about child marriage in Arab countries from a positive perspective.

It would be easy to debunk any such paper because it would require you to ignore the considerable amount of data which says otherwise.

>Something to show the biggotted Westerners that not all child marriages are the way in which they are portryed by the media.

If there was any such data then you wouldn't be here searching for it. There are hundreds of books written by authors like Mead about tribal cultures as well as many others about Islam. Plus, the fact that you don't know this says that you don't have much experience in anthropology or sociology studies.

>>88149

Op would have to cite 'anecdotal evidence' in his paper which would cause any sensible person to instanly throw it out as the intellectual equivalent of clickbait.

Though it's nice to see another anon on this type of board that isn't a backwards degenerate.

Op, you should probably start your searches centered around the guidelines for age of consent in western vs Islamic or other countries with lower ages of consent. I hear Spain is like.. 13 but I'm probably just regurgitating some b.s. I read in another thread.

It is a weird state we are in, in America

No longer are the core values of family, unity, marriage and celibacy/abstinence taught to the youth in today's generation

Many a young parent often talk about their child and dating and having "fun" with multiple partners - then at the same time brutally talk trash in regards to other forms of love and tradition such as child marriages and/or waiting for "the one"/soul mate/life long partner

I am 100% real when I say that I was talking to a mother in her 30s. She has a 14yo daughter who was dating a boy since she was 11. They are both the same age but the girl was entering high school and the mother wanted her to cut ties with her long time boyfriend because she didn't feel she had enough "experience" with boys to know if he was good for her or not. She literally told her daughter to break up with him and to date a few different boys in high school so she can "get a feel" for what other boys are like and can know what she wants in a man and what she doesn't like. So when she gets into college she will already know dating and be experienced

IMO the kind of "experienced" she is talking about is turning her daughter into a fucking slut by taking lots of dicks during high school. If she was my daughter I'd value her long time relationship and tell them to stay together and build on their stable relationship and plan for the future.

But today's parents are a bunch of sex crazed lunatics who corrupt the minds of their children and other youth by advocating early sexual relations with multiple partners and degeneracy such as 'Trans" people and homosexuality. All of those said things are vile and should be outlawed

Even in my own family it doesn't stop. I have a distant family member who comes from a single parent household. Her mother put her on birth control and she is only 13 (about to be 14). Her mother states it is for her to not get pregnant at an early age like she did

So.......

in other words you are saying it is okay for your daughter to be a slut? Why was birth control her first option? Why not for example NOT HAVING SEX!!?? Did it ever occur to you in your fucking tiny brain not everyone needs to start fucking as soon as they are a teenager let alone a girl who can't keep her legs closed. I would be having a serious talk with her about pregnancy and STDs instead of "Oh honey, just don't get pregnant like I did mmkay? ^_^;;"

This kind of thinking is why we are failing as a nation. Too many people who have lost the value of strong bonds and instead replace those bonds with sex, filth, and drugs.

I pride these men who marry these children. They are from shit families and need a good father figure in their lives. WHAT THEY DON'T NEED is another fucking kid putting his weenie in her toolshed and squirting his oil all over her den and getting her pregnant - or worse giving her a disease because you know teenagers don't fucking get screenings. These young girls need an older male who knows about life and can teach her many things. Why anyone in the world would be against a wise individual parting his wisdom on a child - I do not know

Anon I think you're rant is spot on, but I personally don't agree with some of it. Something about the wording specifically makes me uneasy I guess.

You're 100% right in that kids need to be taught and educated rather than given B/C and told to have fun. That doesn't teach safe sex, nor responsibility.

I had a Gf who was exactly as the girl you described. Her mother out her on b/c at 13 because she didn't want her to get pregnant. Now she's a little gutter slut Who fucks meth heads and homeless dudes in the name of Jesus or something... I even got an sti from her at one point early on, luckily my doctor is cool and I've got all the antibiotics I need hahaha! But the issue wasn't the sti itself, but how she got it. The education was lacking so much that she didn't use condoms because, and I Fucking quote, "they are impersonal."

It blew my mind, but I thought she was faithful so I didn't care, I was young and dumb with a stockpile of condoms I never used....

I kind of lost my train of thought now, and feel like I made no points at all or even said anything relevant.

Damn mobile.

>>88156

Murikka (and for that matter most of the western world) encourages promiscuity and all forms of degeneracy at an early age but at the same time it condemns kids having sex with each other and with adults. It's the hypocrisy that will destroy the world.

>>88149

No-one listen to this faggot shill. All he does all day is pretend like he's a scientist and shit all over pedophiles with bullshit biased studies.

He really should be banned.

>>88166

But anon, you can't deny he has a point.

Most if not all studies you find will agree that we are wrong and some will go as far as to advise euthanasia.

Looking at this as a skeptic (which I am) it's completely valid to point out that if op were to write such an essay it would be scrutinised, rejected, and quickly debunked by the mass of evidence that points to the contrary.

It's issue is that there isn't any credible peer reviewed studies that argue on our side of the debate. Be it that people are afraid to agree or go against the grain and labeled as quacks... Or be it that we truly may be wrong in this... It's undeniable that the mass of accessible evidence is stacked, curated, and biased against us.

>>88173

Nothing is perfect, everything has it's flaws. Just because a bunch of people with authority state ridiculous things about sexuality doesn't make it a truth.

If you think that something that it's backed by "scientific studies" or "science" can't be questioned then you are no different that those who thought that the Earth was flat.

>>88166

>>88177

>Nothing is perfect, everything has it's flaws. Just because a bunch of people with authority state ridiculous things about sexuality doesn't make it a truth.

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>If you think that something that it's backed by "scientific studies" or "science" can't be questioned then you are no different that those who thought that the Earth was flat.

No one is preventing anyone from doing meta-research, ethnographic, or history centric research to support their views. The problem is, in this case, it's hard to validate the lack of female rights in Islamic ruled countries that look the other way. I don't know anyone that can show how limiting girl's education, freedom of movement, restrictions, legal bias (against them), and a society that actively segregates/obfuscates girls' lives can be "positive".

The chief reason for the frustration among pedophiles who seek preteens is mainly due to the fact that they have no leg to stand on morally, historically, or scientifically.

>>88177

This is what I was referring to.

>>88184

It's not that we can't question it, but that in order to validate a research study you need credible sources and research to support your claims.

... And nobody who has gained credibility will back something like that. Nor has anyone tried to do valid research on the subject for fear of being attacked by the sjw army.

It's kind of a catch 22.

>>88184

> The problem is, in this case, it's hard to validate the lack of female rights in Islamic ruled countries that look the other way. I don't know anyone that can show how limiting girl's education, freedom of movement, restrictions, legal bias (against them), and a society that actively segregates/obfuscates girls' lives can be "positive".

We can all agree on that women are oppressed on Islamic countries however that doesn't mean that child marriages are inheritly wrong.

>>88173

>>88173

>But anon, you can't deny he has a point.

Yes I can you shill. The data all comes from convicted pedophiles. They tried to use that same data to claim that pedos are more likely to be left handed (and thus claimed to have brain damage, two sets which correlate strongly), but when you look at the actual data, the left handed pedo population in prison is EXACTLY THE SAME as the left handed population of prison in general.

All of the anti-pedo studies are like that, while the few pro-pedo ones (using self reporting outside of the prison system) are shouted down, and fucking Congress makes fucking motions to deny them.

So fuck you, shill. Kill yourself for all the harm you have done to others with your complicity.

>>88190

>inherently wrong

Sorry for that typo.

>>88191

I'm on your side here, the point in trying to make is that the evidence is stacked against us and no legislative, academic, or other organization will back anything that goes contrary to that consensus.

>>88149 Anon was not disagreeing persay, just pointing out that such a paper will be near impossible to substantiate.

For you to disregard the post simply because you don't like what he said makes you no better than a food babe antivaxxer woomonger.

You sir, are the shill.

>>88190

No not wrong, but trying to validate an argument based on child marriges in which that they are treated as a commodity is not the proper route to go.

We need to look more towards practices that involve courting and consensual marriage rather than dowry marriages and the like wherein the are treated as objects that are bought and/or traded to the highest bidder.

I think that's the issue we have in trying to validate the moral issue of child marriages to the western world.

>>88189

>It's not that we can't question it, but that in order to validate a research study you need credible sources and research to support your claims.

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>... And nobody who has gained credibility will back something like that. Nor has anyone tried to do valid research on the subject for fear of being attacked by the sjw army.

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>It's kind of a catch 22.

It isn't a catch-22. The data is out there. There is tons of raw work to sift through. The books we read are only the bits and pieces authors thought were relevant. The universities I attended had mounds of data going back hundreds of years dealing with various human societies. I did work papers on three societies using this kind of data.

I just think your catch-22 is an excuse not to do the research and just publish anonymously.

>>88194

>Die shill.

We don't know anything about this [rare] case beyond the surface information. We see children married into "slavery" all the time in Asia and many girl's learn to accept, even love, their life. Part of the problem is something called "learned helplessness" where people begin to believe they are stuck and can do nothing to get out of their situation in life. Another part is conditioning. Children can be conditioned to accept almost anything. The undeniable fact about this case is that it models early history where women have little to no rights or choice in the direction of their life.

It has no real parallels in modern Western society where everyone should be given the right to make informed decisions about how they will spend their lives.

>>88197

>For you to disregard the post simply because you don't like what he said makes you no better than a food babe antivaxxer woomonger.

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>You sir, are the shill.

I say, prove it, to which you say, I cannot because _ . To which I say, prove it, to which you say you cannot because ______ .

You see the cycle here right? There are millions of pages, recordings, interviews, videos, and accounts to make a case for yourself, but nothing ever surfaces except the same old tired excuses.

>>88204

So then where would I gain access to this data? Can you name and pro pedo studies conducted in the modern era? Preferably those using consensual westernized participants.

All I'm trying to say is that any study most people are going to find is going to be aged out of relevance, edited to be anti pedo, or buried by an organization with a vested interest in keeping it that way.

But if you care to point me in the right direction I'll be glad to publish a paper regarding my findings. Then watch as the sjw's tear it apart.

>>88144

OP, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that such marriages last longer. You could look for indian statistics about how long arranged marriages last, most of those involve children, i think the divorce rate is around 2% for them.

You could also try to see if there are "happiness studies" and see if you can't correlate people who get married early to people who get married late.

Sadly I don't have such data on hand, but try running some searches in scholar.google.com

>>88220

Also some links, probably not useful for the study but maybe you could reach out to some of these people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25pfEfEb0k4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06GNhvQmtqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4a5Ex_RuS4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE4ppR3ulVc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds_KCVOo6ak

>>88210

>So then where would I gain access to this data?

The older the institution the more data they will have, but some will also ship data to other colleges. You start by asking the librarians for all the relevant data and then narrow down to what you want.

>>88210

>Can you name and pro pedo studies...

No, because it wouldn't be scientific. Science isn't about supporting a particular view. It's about what is testable, observable, and can be replicated or generalized. If it's anthropologic, you have more flexibility because they don't have to abide by the same model. Read Geertz if you want to go that route.

>All I'm trying to say is that any study most people are going to find is going to be aged out of relevance, edited to be anti pedo, or buried by an organization with a vested interest in keeping it that way.

That is called bias and it is VERY easy to spot in scientific studies. Confounds and Type I/II errors are first year science student stuff. There is no such thing as "anti-pedo" science. Either it follows scientific guidelines or it doesn't. The problem is you are interpreting it as “anti-pedo” when in fact it is simply showing results from tests, observations, ethnographic studies, and historical data.

>But if you care to point me in the right direction I'll be glad to publish a paper regarding my findings. Then watch as the sjw's tear it apart.

The first thing you would have to do is understand the fundamentals of scientific observation, data keeping, statistics, ethnographic studies, thick/thin descriptions, and then start researching the sexuality of people’s around the world. I’ve only scratched the surface with the fifty or so cultures I studied. There’s so much reading that you could spend a lifetime doing so and never get past the first few cultures.

>>88220

Actually, arranged marriages don't last that long in tribal and early agricultural societies. Divorces are very common the younger a girl becomes. In the Kung and S. American tribes divorce is near 60%. Typically, second and third marriages last much longer where the ages are less dramatic (within 5yrs). The reason marriages last much longer in Islamic countries is usually because women have fewer rights than men. Divorce is almost impossible, even if the woman is abused openly by the husband. Girls are also beheaded for refusing to marry in some areas and stoned in others for running away from abusive husbands.

>>88229

>Actually, arranged marriages don't last that long in tribal and early agricultural societies.

Ok, so for the 0.0001% of people in the world who are still living in the stone age I guess that matters.

Meanwhile in India, the Islamic world, and pretty much everywhere else, child marriages last longer. The rest of your post is just copy paste from feminist organizations. Yawn.

>>88210

I think Kinsey did some studies on pedophilia. Shitlibs love him because he basically mainstreamed faggotry. If nothing else it will be funny to see them do the mental gymnastics.

From what I've seen it's more about keeping females as property, particularly in places where society is devolving back in time. But maybe I'm just partial since I'd much rather have a lgfwb than get married.

>>88255

>Meanwhile in India, the Islamic world, and pretty much everywhere else, child marriages last longer.

You seem to have ignored the second half where girls and women are usually poorly educated, don't have the same access to assistance of any type, and have little to no legal rights.

It's funny that you mention the Stone Age, because that's the reality for child brides of today. Living in the past where the strong prey on the weak.

>>88256

>Marriageable age in Europe was only 12 for most of recorded history, and many people got married before that.

For one that isn't considered "child" brides. That's adolescent marriage. Child brides are very rare in history. What you might be thinking about is betrothals, which still remain common today in some parts of the world. Sex and marriage still occur in the girl's adolescent or young adult life.

>>88256

>If nothing else it will be funny to see them do the mental gymnastics.

Kinsey's work is mandatory reading/study in the psychology of human sexuality. I don't remember having to do any mental gymnastics to understand his theories. M&J also did a lot to help us understand sexuality. Human's are not "only" sexual creatures and to treat them as such is usually at the expense of others (e.g. pedophilia).

>>88263

>From what I've seen it's more about keeping females as property, particularly in places where society is devolving back in time.

It is.

Child marriage is illegal in most arab countries, and the few "tribes" who still practice it get ostracized in media, be it press or social media. But I don't know how it is in the 'istan" countries