No.10766
This is a general devoted to the spectacular eroge company Bishop.
https://vndb.org/p215
Bishop is an eroge company with a long history of making fantastic hentai games, their catalog spans nearly two decades and is filled with extremely high quality games, most of which follow the visual novel format, no gameplay beyond choosing girls (with occasional item and training systems to spice things up). The vast majority of Bishop games follow a simple format: Hot girl doesn't like MC or sex, MC rapes girl repeatedly through blackmail, girl falls into lust from the power of cock and becomes his willing and adoring sex slave. Formulaic but always erotic. There's many series (Mesu Kyoushi 1-4 for instance) but there's barely any inter-continuity so you can pick whichever game you want to play and have at it. Good fapping, brothers.
Games used in OP pic (left to right, row by row)
Houkago 3 - https://vndb.org/v18591
Mesu Kyoushi 4 - https://vndb.org/v16104 ("slut.jpg" too)
Yakata - https://vndb.org/v12995
Chijouku no Seifuku - https://vndb.org/v16953
Mesu Kyoushi 3 - https://vndb.org/v11916 (tits too, and the gathered sluts)
Sansha Mendan - https://vndb.org/v6357 ("slut 2.jpg" too)
Note - no games have been translated as of yet, however it is advisable to download the games and not just look at CG sets. Reason being, bishop games are well known for their soundtracks and "lust transition". Once you break a girl and she becomes your slave, many bonus scenes will appear where you can have sex with her, and these CGs will be the same as the ones before, only edited to account for her being much more lustful. CG sets online often don't properly account for this and those which do are massive anyhow (6000+ images, these games have a fuckload of content). Of course, if downloading a game is too much hassle then the CG sets are still great. The soundtracks are hard metal (or R&B) and are remarkably high quality for a nukige.
No.10769
Random misc stuff
A good number of the most popular/famous Bishop games were drawn and had characters designed by an artist known as Kagami (https://vndb.org/s533 ), who's known for his work on Lilith games such as Taimanin Asagi and Kangoku Senkan. As his soul is currently being sucked about by Kessan Battle Arena, newer bishop games are generally drawn by his protege Oonari (https://vndb.org/s576 , Houkago 3, Kuro no Kyoushitu, etc) though Kagami still comes back for series he was a part of (Mesu Kyoushi 4)
Most of Bishop's older stuff now have "Immoral Editions", all you really need to know is that these run on modern computers far better and you should *always* get these over the originals.
A recommended Bishop title for beginners is Mesu Kyoushi 3 since it's newer and has no complex fail states (i.e. no need for a guide), however it's more vanilla than other titles and has more of a lover approach than a sex slave approach. Chijoku no Seifuku and Houkago 3, both released recently, are all good titles to start with however they do not have Kagami as an artist. Ura no Kyoushi and Kyouiku Shidou are both good titles from the past, though the latter is recommended to be played with a guide as it has some fail states (due to its item collection system).
For "unique" bishop games that break from the formula, Tokubetsu Jugyou 3 SLG has a far more interactive training game and Oppai Heart is pretty much pure vanilla. In previously listed titles, Chijoku no Seifuku has a camera peeping gimmick and Ura no Kyoushi has a semen management gimmick but neither impact the gameplay too much.
No.10771
is there a way to search vndb.org for only the games that have an English patch?
No.10772
>>10771
Unfortunately no Bishop games have been translated so, there's just none. However VNDB can be searched for only translated games by going here https://vndb.org/v/all visual novel filters -> Language: English / Original Language: Japanese
No.10776
No.10785
>>10769
>Tokubetsu Jugyou 3 SLG
That came out shortly after I started visiting HGG. I started playing it because it seemed hyped, only to just about never hear anyone talk of it again. About my only memory of it is a girl tied up and gagged in a closet or something and forced to watch MC fuck her mom. Not bad.
No.10789
>>10769
I think Sansha Mendan is also a good game to recommend to people who never ´played Bishop.
It has nice variation, likable heroines with well written scenes, is among the favorites of most fans I've talked and is one of the few where it's very easy to get all scenes in one playthrough without using a walkthrough or redoing choices a lot.
No.10790
>>10785
Most Bishop games are only talked about when tehy come out.
Or when some anon is playing and posting about it.
I still have to play 3SLG but it looks pretty good. I just don't have much patience or time for training games like that. People who played usually have nothing but praise to it.
No.10791
>>10789
I was hesitant to recommend Sansha Mendan because it is in my opinion the best bishop game hands down. I know for me every subsequent bishop game I played was in the shadow of Sansha, I couldn't help but think of what Sansha did better, how the girls were better in Sansha, etc etc etc. So, I thought, recommend some greats before they play THE great.
No.10793
>>10791
>every subsequent bishop game I played was in the shadow of Sansha
I feel the exact same way. But I also think when making a recommendation it's better to suggest the best, if it happens to be acessible to newcomers, which Sansha Mendan is.
I assume most people will play only one or two titles and either never come back or play another title after years. There's a lot of eroge companies I have done that, and that has nothing to do with their quality. I don't expect everyone who enjoys one of those games will become a fan.
No.10804
I like how Tamiyasu Tomoe said she likes doing blowjob scenes and how Bishop chose her to do the voice for the blowjob onahole maid in Silicon Magic.
No.10806
>>10789
Don't forget the ahegao. The ahegao in Sansha Mendan was insane. Especially Yuuna's. Good grief, Yuuna was such a good slave.
No.10811
>>10806
Both Sansha Mendan and Ura Kyoushi really nailed ahegao. Shit was amazing.
No.10814
>>10811
>Ura Kyoushi
Definitely as well, especially Makino. The ahegao she does when Reiji fucks her in the gangbang scene is beautifully glorious.
No.10815
>>10790
>Most Bishop games are only talked about when tehy come out.
I meant, having the title mentioned at least. The other games named in this thread are ones I've heard said over and over.
No.10816
>>10815
For some reason, people seem to skip the first Mesu Kyoushi games, and outright ignore Houkago 2. Even though those three are probably right up there with Sansha Mendan in terms of quality, in pretty much every aspect.
No.10819
>>10816
Never managed to make Houkago 2 work. Might need to try running it on a XP Virtual Machine or something.
For the other two, I think newer fans ignore them because the art is more dated and until very recently they didn't work on more recent OS. I agree they're pretty good, heck MK2 was among the first nukige I played and I blame it for giving me lactation and pregnancy fetishes.
I think those games look great but I can understand people who are too used to Kagami and Oonari's current artstyle not giving it a chance.
No.10820
>>10819
Mesu Kyoushi probably looks dated, but MK2 still looks really good to this day.
I personally find MK2 to be the very best BISHOP game ever for my personal tastes. It has absolutely everything. Even the boring girl's route is pretty fine. And Saya/Mitsuki route was dark as fuck, and I loved the shit out of it.
No.10821
>>10815
They're the newest ones, thats what it comes down to really.
>>10819
I'm a newer fan (played my first 5 months ago) and the art isn't offputting at all, in fact Houkago 3 looks worse a lot of the time in my opinion. I just haven't gotten around to them yet. I'll start up MK1, I haven't quite finished Houkago 3 but the last girls (the teacher and the blonde) are my least favourite.
No.10822
>>10821
I think Houkago 3 art looks bad just with Suzuno. She is weird.
Miho is by the same artist but she looks a lot better.
But yeah when I look at Shizuka and Mayu I kinda wish Oonari did all girls again.
No.10823
>>10821
>>10822
I should clarify I agree it's a lot worse in general though.
No.10825
>>10815
I've seen people on hongfire complain about 3SLG being too difficult and having too much scene variations.
Also I notice Bishop games that have widely different gameplay style like 3SLG, Yakata and Manin Densha 2 get ignored most of the time.
No.10827
>>10825
I myself am often unhappy whenever I don't see 100% of a game's content (I don't have 100% CGs in any bishop game because I dont choose "ejaculate outside" ever, which often leads to missed non-pregnancy scenes) so I can understand that perspective. There's something uncomfortable about opening a game and knowing you'll miss a lot of potentially great content.
Manin Densha 1/2 are both games I'm interested in playing. It's really just that every Post-Kyouiku Shidou games have been pretty consistently high quality so it's hard to go back to the early 2000s while knowing there's fresh games ready I'm sure.
No.10829
>>10827
>I dont choose "ejaculate outside" ever,
That's the way to go. A good slave deserves to get cummed inside.
I only choose the cum outside option if it's needed for getting more scenes, but I don't like it. Sometimes the non-pregnant endings are worth it.
No.10832
>>10789
>Just noticed I have mouse cursor all over my screencaps
Shit. What do you guys use to capture screens? I started using Ifranview as per VNDB recommendation, but I noticed too late even with it set to capture just the foreground window my cursor is still there.
No.10833
>>10825
>>10827
I stopped playing after a couple routes and never touched it again because it was just too much for the completionist in me to handle. I've been playing the linear ones instead.
No.10838
>>10832
ShareX allows to remove screenshots and is really customizable. Only flaw that I can tell is that it doesn't have an option to move capturing window to top.
No.10840
>>10838
>to remove screenshots
I mean mouse cursor, shit.
No.10844
I don't know if it's just nostalgia since she was one of the first routes I did in a bishop game, but pic related (on the left) remains one of my favourite bishop girls of all time. Great body, the perfect kind of personality to break (quite, reserved, but hotheaded and angry when pushed over the line), interesting route, just overall good stuff. I was reminded of her by pic related on the right, I started up MK1 because of the above discussion and I'm getting somewhat similar vibes between them, I hope her route is as impressive.
No.10845
>>10844
I commend your good taste. The older blueheads were typically the best girls (Naomi was so fucking great).
And I highly recommend that you do every scene of Makoto you can, because she's the biggest, and most delicious, painslut ever. And she has the cutest voice, too. Mature tomboys are always the best.
No.10848
>>10832
Irfanview just make sure to have it so it doesn't capture mouse and if you're using CG viewing mode then make sure it doesn't capture the little menu for changing to next or previous CGs.
No.10849
>>10845
>And I highly recommend that you do every scene of Makoto you can
I generally do all the scenes in the game, since they're so linear; is there anything in MK1 that would make that difficult? If it's like Kyouiku with the items or something then I'll take special care.
And yeah, blue hairs a best.
No.10850
Do mine eyes deceive me or did they literally reuse the same character design from MK1 in MK4? Both math teachers, both haughty and spiteful to MC, same hair ribbons and eye colour….
No.10852
>>10849
> is there anything in MK1 that would make that difficult?
Not necessarily, although it may seem like it's longer than it is.
I'd just recommend to cum inside as many times as you can, and save the game whenever the options comes up, so you may then replay it from those points so you get to see whatever slight differences there are in the routes when you do this.
Either way, the first Mesu Kyoushi is a blast. NTRing en masse, and the girls are top tier.
No.10853
>>10850
At least they used the excuse of them being twins in MK4. They don't even bother doing that in MK2.
General consensus is that MK2 is the "canon" one, while MK1 is a different continuity.
But my personal preference is that, for MK1, the only "canon route" is either Miyuki's or Ritsuko's (leaning to the latter, myself), since they're supposed to be the main heroines of that one.
No.10854
>>10853
>General consensus is that MK2 is the "canon" one, while MK1 is a different continuity.
Huh, I didn't even notice that MK2 was a remade MK1 sharing a lot of characters. I really need to brush up on my history.
No.10855
>>10850
You remember how Miyu mentioned her sister a few times?
Also their mother appears in MK2, though she is just part of Saya's route and not a main heroine. It seems all Takamine women are fated to become sex slaves to their students.
No.10856
>>10855
I had completely forgotten that. Mesu Kyoushi has the deepest lore.
No.10857
>>10855
>Mitsuki
She should've been the other main heroine, instead of that boring brown-haired girl.
>she's not even part of the harem ending
>doesn't have a CG sprite in the delicious school uniform
No.10858
>>10857
I like Sanae. But I'm biased since she was the first route I did in my first Bishop game.
I agree she's the most cookie cutter of the cast though.
No.10859
This kind of "evil by nature just like MC" support character is a lot more interesting than all of those "girls I broke years ago and forgot about" characters from other games I've played. Since she's not already mindbroken her h-scene was actually engaging instead of boring / skipping the climax.
No.10860
>>10859
I really miss Rihoko. She's the best girl in her games. She shines so well in MK2, in particular. MK3 and MK4's pseudo-vallinaness would have been well balaned if Rihoko had been around in those.
Another delicious slut who got overlooked hard in her games. Her few scenes are glorious, regardless.
No.10861
>>10860
>MK3 and MK4's pseudo-vallinaness
I get MK3, but why you're lumping MK4 with it?
>>10859
I don't like Rihoko that much. She's good but as far as assistant go I prefer the enslaved ones.
No.10865
>>10861
>I get MK3, but why you're lumping MK4 with it?
Only Maki and Miyu's route really stand out. The others are pretty vanilla as well.
But it doesn't disappoint me as much as MK3, however. That one had the art to be another MK2, and it failed miserably.
No.10866
>>10865
>Maki
God-tier taste
No.10868
>>10866
Her design is fucking awesome, and her voice is delicious. And she really got broken hard, like it should be. It even turned cute, in a sick way, to me; I wish BISHOP went back to having routes like hers (or Miyu's) as being the norm again.
No.10869
>>10868
Aren't most games outside of Mesu Kyoushi series like that?
I don't think Kuro no Kyoushitsu, Chijoku no Seifuku or Houkago 3 go for the same milder style Mesu Kyoushi is going.
Not for most heroines in KnK and CnS, as they have only one heroine each who is still a bit independent with a rebellious streak and not at all in Hkg3.
No.10870
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Jesus Christ. Just finished Makoto's route in Mesu Kyoushi 1. Holll-y shit, I finally understand why people call MK3 and such so vanilla. Maybe it's just Makoto's route, but damn did it get heavy in the sadism. Electrical shocks, heavy whipping, pretty much every post mid-point scene involving clippers on nipples or suction cups… I knew things were going to get serious when MC straight up pissed on her face in the second scene, but I sort've remembered something like that happening in Sansha Mendan or something so I wasn't too concerned. But then shit got more and more serious. It was like Kyouiku Shidou but far more serious and violent. Definitely far from Vanilla, and really puts claims that the later games are more vanilla way more into perspective. The only thing that comes to mind from bishop games/routes that I've played was Saori's route from Ura Kyoushi, it was somewhat similar to this.
I'm not too into that kind of sadism so I didn't enjoy this route of MK1 too much. Nevertheless, the girl herself is really freakin' good so I still had a good fap and enjoyed the mindbreak, though I did notice that incomparison to later games there was a bit less in-between dialogue. I look forward to the post-mindbreak scene where the girl accepts her enslavement with open arms but I don't believe this route of MK1 had one, or else it was really short and I already forgot it somehow.
Looking forward to seeing how the other routes play out. I don't think every character will have the role of masochist who gets turned on from pain, so perhaps they'll be more my style, i.e. more focused on male dominance and lust than inflicting/enjoying pain.
No.10871
>>10870
The other routes aren't as hard on sadism as Makoto's, that's her thing.
My favorite from MK1 is Miyuki. She's the best looking along with Saya, love her expressions.
No.10872
>>10871
That's good to hear. Shame a fetish I don't like got paired up with surely best girl.
No.10873
>>10870
>>10872
You should try Ritsuko first, instead. She's my personal favorite, along with Mako-chan.
>>10871
>Saya
>bestiality
>Tamaki
>gangrape
>Ritsuko
>really unpleasant condom sex
Nigga what are you smoking? All of the bitches sans Miyuki get fucked so hard, it's a miracle they don't suffer actual intelligence reduction.
No.10874
>>10873
>You should try Ritsuko first
Can't try anyone else first now anon
No.10875
>>10873
I just said Makoto's is the only route focused on sadism and masochism. That is true, the other routes focuses on other fetishes.
No.10876
>>10874
In that case, scratch my initial suggestion. Go for Saya, this time.
I recommend doing anyone except Miyuki, before you go for the pinkhead. Reason being that Miyuki is supposed to be the MC's ultimate price: after all of his hard work, he finally gets the slave he desired for so long. It makes everything far more satisfying.
No.10877
>>10876
I agree. Even though in all endings the MC fucks the girls in front of Eiji, Miyuki is the real payoff of his plan.
No.10879
>>10876
Thats what I was thinking, either Saya or Ritsuko. Bombshell blonde or hot haughty bitch.
No.10882
>>10877
>>10879
Godspeed, anon.
By the way, if you happen to know moon, what was the deal with Makoto, exactly? I'm certain all of the pig teachers were attracted to Eiji, but it seems like each have their own quirks regarding that. And Mako-chan in particular seemed pretty close with Miyuki.
No.10883
>>10882
Makoto noticed MC stalking Miyuki and so got all up in his business, going so far as to declare she won't let MC touch her (Miyuki). In fact, Miyuki is so innocent and pure that the only reason she hasn't been raped/taken advantage of is because Makoto, her friend from all the way back in grade school (maybe high school, I forget) looks out for her. MC decides she's an obstacle that must be removed (and furthermore was enraptured by her massive tits earlier in the first CG which was nice motivation). Thus, he rapes her, using standard "here's photos of you having sex with me, if you don't want them released keep quiet", and that's that for story really.
No.10884
>>10883
Oh, I see. There was a time when I thought Mako-chan was a lesbian with a thing for Miyuki at one point. Sadly, I later found out that wasn't the case.
Glad to know these details, however. I hope you don't mind me asking you other questions about the games from now on, anon, while you play them?
No.10885
>"here's photos of you having sex with me, if you don't want them released keep quiet"
I love Bishopland.
No.10904
Seems they started adding cup sizes to the girls' bios. Even some of the older ones I don't recall having them on getchu have one now. Depends though. For example Ura Kyoushi, Sansha Mendan, Houkago 3, and CnS have them while others like MK4 and KnK don't.
With the info they provide you can find out Mesu Kyoushi 3 probably has the biggest cast with girls up to G cup size. 3/6 of the cast are that range.
No.10905
>>10884
Sure, no problem. I even narrated a route scene-by-scene before though I haven't done so again since it's so time consuming. The only thing is, I usually leave routes unfinished if I lose interest in the girl, so yeah. For example I still haven't done Asahi in MK4.
No.10909
>>10905
>For example I still haven't done Asahi in MK4.
Not a fan of small/flat chests either. Good taste, anon.
The good thing is that these games are filled with beautiful cow udders. I look forward to your playthroghs, anon.
>>10904
MK2 has the biggest girl in the whole series, which would be Naomi, who is both 98 and H cup.
No.10911
I checked the vndb page for Mesu Kyoushi 1 and it avoids most of the "set up" plot. It seems Ritsuko's route will involve it somewhat so I will summarize it here. Spoilers henceforth. It's not very interesting by the way, but I appreciated the "opening sex" of a bishop game actually being pretty relevant to the plot. This can pretty much be ignored, I'm just getting it out of the way in case Ritsuko's route involves the basketball club girl so much I have to explain this.
In the beginning of the game, the girl being raped is a basketball club member who is being blackmailed by MC to have sex with people for money. This time, it's photography club members. The next day, MC is questioned by a couple teachers about the basketball girl… turns out, she told her club adviser (makoto) she was quitting basketball and joining the photography club. Makoto brought this up at a teacher conference which resulted in MC being mentioned as someone who stayed at school late that very day (Miyuku had seen him). Furthermore, Eiji investigated the matter himself and interrogated the photography club members until they spilled the beans about MC being a blackmailing information dealer. Eiji is troubled - if he let's this go public, his own reputation and status will be damaged since MC is his little brother. However, he hates the everloving fuck out of MC so he won't let this opportunity pass. End result: He covers up the scandal, suspends the photography club, and puts in paperwork to have MC go to another, shitty school in the prefecture. Out of Eiji's hair and surely miserable while surronded by delinquents. However it will take the duration of the game for the paperwork to go into effect so MC (aided by the nurse, who helps MC because she recognizes him as a bad dude in a similar vein as she's a evil chick) decides to netorare Miyuki (upon the nurse's suggestion, actually) and cause Eiji to fall into despair. Thus begins the game. I should also note that MC's a real dick to Eiji, and Eiji's probably a pretty good guy which is why Miyuki fell in love with him (they were planning to marry soon).
No.10912
Ritsuko route notes
-Not an airhead, is quite serious, but due to her passion and naivety is easily deceived
-Tons of men joined the competitive swimmign club to see her bathing suit figure
-Ritsuko is unsatisfied with the explanation Eiji gave of the situation, and thus investigates the matter further. MC keeps an eye out for her.
-Ritsuko asks MC to come to the teacher room after school. Turns out she called the photo club members herself to ask what they did and they spilled the beans a second time. Yes, this means she learned MC participates in rape crimes and yet still called him to an empty room after school with nobody around. God bless Bishopland. She lectures MC about how his behaviour is unacceptable and to think of how it will negatively impact those around him such as Eiji. This pisses MC off. Ritsuko says she hasn't told anyone, and won't if he swears to never do something like this again. MC prepares to swear (as a lie) and get her off his back, but she keeps bringing up how Eiji is such a stand-up guy, which pisses MC off so much he just rapes her and subsequently shuts her up by taking photos and threatening to release them. What a tweeest
If it's like Makoto's route that's the end of relevant details. Will post more if anything interesting plot-wise comes up but I doubt it. Man, for all the crazy intense shit in the game's porn, the plot is pretty by the numbers.
No.10913
>>10911
This explains Eiji's portrayal in the anime. Kagami draws him like a totally arrogant dick, but it seems like it's the complete other way around.
>>10912
>-Tons of men joined the competitive swimmign club to see her bathing suit figure
Wasted opportunity for an awesome gangbang scene for Ritsuko. She was built to get all of her holes filled with dick. Still, details like that are somehow, weirdly…arousing, to know.
No.10914
>>10911
>>10913
I think Eiji is still a dick, MC is just far worse than him. Eiji is your average arrogant elitist prick, while the protagonist is a criminal.
No.10916
>>10914
The thing is that in scenes with anyone but MC, Eiji is a nice dude. I figure, MC was a dickhead all throughout their childhood, and Eiji has naturally responded in turn with hostility. In the VN, it's always MC who goes to punch Eiji first, Eiji may shit talk (and given MC's behaviour, most of his shit talk reflects reality) but it's always MC who loses his cool and goes into attack mode. Furthermore, it's not like MC is polite to Eiji and then Eiji shits on him, rather MC shit talks Eiji from the beginner. It's impossible to know for sure, but given how Eiji treats other people, and how MC is such a cruel individual, I wouldn't be surprised if Eiji was in heart a good, but proud, person. For reference, in Makoto's route, to lure Eiji out MC claims to have kidnapped Miyuki and Eiji goes to rescue her. Who's the bad guy here? Haha.
Well, he's barely given any
No.10917
>>10913
>MC says he's disappointed when Ritsuko isn't at the pool when he visits
>She asks why
>He says "because then I can't grope your plump ass and tits"
>Ritsuko gets pissed, says other men aren't as sexually deviant as him
>He laughs his ass off, explains that men are always hanging around the pool to see her hot bod
>She denies it and runs away hysterically (after being forced to accept its true through logic)
Seriously, next scene would have been perfect for a gangbang to really cement it.
No.10918
>>10917
>She denies it and runs away hysterically (after being forced to accept its true through logic)
Man, this only makes her route even better.
Goddamn, I really love Ritsuko. Best girl. Her body is fucking obscene. I really envy the MC more now.
Are there any other exchanges like that in the game? The bunny and cheerleader scenes are of particular interest.
No.10920
>>10918
Frankly, I hate to say it, but the writing in MK1 is remarkably bland. There's very little engaging discussions, most of the dialogue is hella generic and even worse because a lot of what's said in Makoto's route is repeated in Ritsuko's (like the maid outfit comments). The bulk of the route is uninteresting teasing (in both Makoto and Ritsuko's route, he grabs their ass and they react shocked, but take it while squirming, pretty much 1:1 dialogue). I think the main problem for me is that while their submissiveness grows, their LUST doesn't grow, so even in the scene right before they break and become slaves, they're not particularly lusty or excited for sex, they're just submissive. That seems to be the theme of this game - MC being dominant, girls being submissive, with lust being thrown in as a way to convey that, rather than being the primary focus like in later games. It's hard to tell from the CGs, because they blush and ahegao there, but in the actual dialogue in scenes, there's very little lusty communication, just MC teasing, girls taking it while complaining or being silent, etc etc. Gotta say, that's not quite what I look for. Looking through the scenarist list, it seems Mesu Kyoushi was one of the first games for two of them, who went on to write the majority of subsequent Bishop games, and the third guy stopped working on Bishop games after Houkago 2 (which came out after MK1). My head canon is thus that the third guy controlled the script, whereas the other two were assistants. Subsequently, the third guy left bishop to freelance (fired, perhaps?) and the other two gradually honed their craft, balancing lust and submissiveness with much greater finesse. MK1 may have more non-vanilla, extreme fetishes (pegging, shitting on people's faces, carrots in both vagoo and anus, etc) but the writing doesn't match the liveliness at all.
The blandness, by the way, is due to repetition. There's not a lot of exchanges that elaborate meaningfully on the character. For example, every blackmail so far has been "do what I say or I release these photos", and every ending so far has been "have slave fuck Eiji and then take photos so he must obey me". If I had to sum up MK1, it'd be a generic mindbreak story character-swapped between heroines with little to no changes in the story or dialogue, with all the changes in the H-scenes. However, that may change with Saya and Miyuki so I'm not giving a final verdict. There ARE three writers after all.
I just did the bunny scene, and all the dialogue was like
>hands over bunny suit, she changes into it
>I can't believe you're making me wear something like this!
>Do you want to hear how I managed to get that?
>No thank you! You'll just turn it into a sexual conversation, won't you?
>Ritsuko angrily glares at me, however I do not feel any of her former hostility or resistance.
>What, you're not interested?
>Of course not! Everything you talk about isn't good or worthwhile at all!
>Heh, ironic for you to be talking like that while walking around school in a bunny suit.
>But I'm only wearing it because you told me to…
>Because I told you to? Seems like subservience has properly been ingrained within you. Now how many of the anal poles are in you? (que sex)
This scene actually stuck out to me because usually when the right before the break scene, when MC gives the girl a costume to wear, she's itching for sex and can barely hold back, but Ritsuko isn't happy about it at all, nor was Makoto.
/wall of text
No.10921
>>10920
I dunno, maybe it's just the sadist in me, but I really enjoy the abrupt mindbreak. As if it was the MC himself the catalyst for them losing their minds, instead of just them growing to "like" the MC.
I dunno if I'm making any sense, really. I also enjoy that the MC in this one seems to be more sadistic than the ones from the other games, from what you say.
And honestly, I'd rather have this kind of writing but with plenty of content, than whatever MK3 was.
Nevertheless, I hope you're not discouraged from playing the other routes…especially Miyuki's. Maybe that one will be more of your liking? Since that one involves Eiji and the main "plot", after all.
No.10922
>>10920
I think it's a bit unfair to call the writing bland when you just said it was among the scenario writers first works.
It's natural the latter games would handle some aspects better.
Also in this game it's not the break scene that is the culmination of the build up, it's the ending scenes. In most newer games the whole story builds up for the scene where the heroine becomes a slave and the rest is just them being depraved. MK1 actually holds the climax to the final scenes of each route.
No.10923
>>10922
The focus is also the degradation - something the games after Ura Kyoushi seem to lack, for whatever reason.
Sure, MK3 had that camera scene with Chisato, and Lina got railed up hard by those chain vibrators, and in MK4, Maki and Miyu got wrecked hard, and Serika in CS got absolutely destroyed.
But it doesn't really seem to be the norm anymore. It's almost like purefags took over.
No.10924
>>10923
There's a few others like Shizuka and Hiromi in HKG3 and Kuzuha in KnK that also put on pretty disgraceful displays in their ending.
But I think the recent games diversifying the routes are just that, diversifying. I think you're over reacting a lot when you talk like every route that is not like that is purefag pandering. They're all still focused on the moral degeneration of the heroines, but on different ways. Some focus on the lust and sex addiction, others focus on the submissiveness, and so on.
No.10925
>>10909
>Not a fan of small/flat chests either.
Petite is love.
No.10927
>>10921
I see what you mean. I liked MK3's writing more in general though because the inbetween scenes had a lot more weight to them with individual dialogue. Touko's thing was that she was extremely easy to be aroused, so MC would grope her a little and she'd get horny as fuck; Lina got drunk a lot and would rant about Japanese culture, etc etc. These characters really just don't have as much personality, or at least he writing doesn't show it well because there's so little of it in between sex scenes. The biggest example I can think of is that in latter games, post-sex MC goes and talks to the girls to see their next-day reaction, but in MK1 he just observes them from afar, no dialogue.
>>10922
I dunno, if it's bland it's bland, I'm glad they improved but I don't really think changing my evaluation is fair simply because they're inexperienced.
>Also in this game it's not the break scene that is the culmination of the build up, it's the ending scenes.
That's actually a weird thing, I kind of feel like the game doesn't really have a climax. There's no post-break scene where the girl talks about how she's accepted being a slave, it skips straight from them moaning like crazy in sex-fervor to the next day. The bonus scenes are pretty good and they're 100% mind broken, but they don't feel climatic, so much as the "falling action". The ending scenes are just wild. Ritsuko there goes from submissive, but hostile against lewdness, to pegging MC's brother (and shitting on his face) with a maniac grin, in a couple of days? It felt like it skipped the climax of mindbreak and subsequently tossed aside Ritsuko's personality, which is a recurring problem in Bishop games (inexperienced writers not knowing how to properly mix a slave mindset with the original girls mindset. Like, having her original mindset be overcome with submissiveness, not replaced with submissiveness, so to speak. For example, in Makoto's route, all her dialogue pretty much becomes "Yes, master" with no trace of anything that existed beforehand.
Man, I'm really losing focus with these huge posts. Sorry for wordspam
No.10929
>>10927
I agree about your point about later games making the original personalities change submissiveness and lust and that at times MK1 feels like the original personality is just replaced. However I do not think Mesu Kyoushi 3 is a good example of that, because they are nowhere as submissive as in other Bishop titles, recent and old alike. They are mostly lovers, not slaves.
MK3 game is something else entirely and sometimes I get the impression you seem to think it's the norm.
Also the complete change in personality is also a part of mindbreak fetish and keep in mind some people prefer that, the old personality completely discarded for lust and obedience.
I appreciate that from time to time too even if as I said, I prefer when the girls original persona is still there, just completely twisted.
No.10930
>>10929
Just to add, I think Sansha Mendan, Ura Kyoushi, Kyoiku Shidou and Kuro no Kyoushitsu do that aspect pretty well.
No.10931
>>10925
When I mentioned MK3 I was mentioning it for all the inbetween dialogue, not the submissiveness. I've played every game you listed here >>10930, I only mentioned MK3 that's been a common game mentioned recently (even in the post I replied too). I too can appreciate discarding old personalities completely, but only if there's some gradual build up to it. Like every time she argues or refuses an order, she gets whipped, every time she tries to be herself, she's punsihed, that sort of thing. Going from "submissive but still a strong individual" to "carrots in ass" to "complete obedience" just makes me feel unsatisfied and bored, even.
No.10933
I don't know a lick of Japanese.
I think the best Bishop games in terms of character designs are MK4, MK3, Yakata, and Ura Kyoushi.
No.10937
>>10925
Flat is boring as fuck.
>>10927
The problem with MK3 specifically is that the story is completely pointless. It takes away time and bytes from the ero content. Which is why I assumed why it was so tame, since they had to sacrifice that for all amnesia bullshit and such.
I will agree with you, however, when it comes to the personalities. The girls from the second game onwards are really fun (which makes the mindbreak in MK2 in particular so great), as well as the other games (Kyouiku Shidou is the other that comes to mind a lot to me).
>Man, I'm really losing focus with these huge posts. Sorry for wordspam
Don't be, anon. What you're doing is appreciated. Very few of us know Japanese, and can barely make what the shitty VNRs tell us anyway, so having an anon who helps around with this is incredibly appreciated.
>Touko
Good taste, by the way. She and Lina were the best.
No.10942
Chijoku no Seifuku anime got an official summary.
http://www.lune-soft.jp/ova/9017
As expected T-REX will be making some alterations in how things play out to fit the running time.
If I got it right, by the time Kenichi starts spying on Kasumi with hidden cameras Akemi is already his slave.
It seems this episode will be focused just on Akemi and Kasumi, assuming we'll have just one more like most adaptations they did, one heroine will probably end up neglected.
The one thing I hope is that they don't make the same mistake other studios did and have actual mindbreak, not just rape all the way through.
No.10943
>>10942
While I would prefer if T-REX did longer stuff, their adaptations, animation and art-wise, are top-tier and they actually bother to make the tone as close as possible to the original source material. And let's not forget the beautiful x-rays and tit bounces they do. So I'm definitely looking forward to this.
Unlike pic related. This looks so fucking disgusting, I want to gauge my eyes out. God, I can only hope BISHOP drops PoRO someday. At least with SuzukiMirano, some of the gook designers are good (Last Waltz coming to mind), and the rape felt like rape and the mindbreak felt like mindbreak.
No.10954
>>10942
I'm surprised Lune would make a summary for a Bishop product. I guess the studios are pretty mutual?
No.10955
>>10942
Gakuen 2 did mindbreak pretty good with the two episode focus basically completely on Haruna's story. From the exposition on her past, to her getting raped, depression, murder suicide attempt due to her life being utterly ruined by the protag, and then her mindbreak that was almost like a "rebirth" of her character. None of the Poro OVAs even come close to such character development while still having decent sex scenes.
No.10960
Saya route notes
- Same phone model and color as MC (maybe relevant?)
- Super embarassed when her panties are seen
- Saya's pretty smart so she walks circles around MC in argument, he constantly feels like an idiot
- Saya is an active member of a school comitted created by Eiji which aims to improve the performance of low-preforming students in order to prevent damage to the school's reputation… in reality they just bully students and get them to leave. This is why she was rude as fuck to him from Day 1, he's the worst student in the entire school. When MC learns of this, he concludes "Saya = Eiji's Underling" and resolves to rape her to get at Eiji.
- MC draws Saya into a lone room by dropping the fact he knows about the committee. Threatens to expose info about the committee if she does anything fishy. Subsequently, rapes her.
- After being raped, Saya is hella nervous but still manages to walk around MC in circles… until he grabs her tits or something and her spirit collapses.
- Game keeps using a smiling+blushing sprite when she isn't smiling as per the narrative and its distracting as hell
- I don't think she's attracted to Eiji but they're certainly close over the fact that they dislike underpreforming students.
- MC says "ahh, it's all inside!" in pic related scene (image 2). Yeah OK
So it seems Eiji is pretty hard on students who do poorly, which I can't tell if it's reflective of him being an asshole or if it's reflective of the atmosphere in such a high class high school. Perhaps I was too hasty in calling him a nice guy.
By the way, I forgot to mention. MC has magic sperm that makes women lactate. That's why all the girls lactate and stuff in CGs. The nurse masturbating in the beginning is her showing how she suddenly started lactating after drinking MC's sperm. It's pretty weird. A side effect of this is that lactating causes intense pleasure, and as milk builds up they feel uncomfortable and an innate desire to get milked.
Will post more if anything interesting happens in the plot, right now it's infinite "what do you want?!" -> rape works . The best part so far is that the blackmail is both photos AND the committee's existence which is a nice change of pace.
No.10961
>>10960
Oh yeah, she has some kind of genetic thing that prevents her from growing hair on her crotch. Because of this she's shied away from sexual encounters, never learning until MC raped her that her body is sensitive and made for sex.
No.10963
>>10954
The anime adaptation is their product. Well it's BunnyWalker/T-REX's, but I'm pretty sure they're either the same company or closely tied together.
>>10960
I didn't remember the lactation was unexplained. In MK2 it's because of a drug Rihoko gives the protagonist.
No.10966
>>10963
The nurse explains his sperm has special qualities. I.E. magic sperm.
No.10979
>>10942
Is that the OVA poster?
Thank god. Looks like they're actually trying to make the characters appear as they did in the games unlike PoRO
No.10981
>>10942
Is that the new OVA?
Looks fantastic compared to PoRO
No.10986
>>10960
>Game keeps using a smiling+blushing sprite when she isn't smiling as per the narrative and its distracting as hell
>MC says "ahh, it's all inside!" in pic related scene (image 2). Yeah OK
Funny. At least the proportions look good in that sex crop. I was playing the new game and was disappointed that MC's huge, peerless monster-cock doesn't look like a cock fit for porn at all.
No.10993
>>10986
Damn, Suzuno's route has some QUALITY art sometimes.
No.10995
>>10979
>>10981
Well, while T-REX does try to keep as close to the original artstyle as possible, that cover is probably just made by Oonari, as in the same as when Kagami did the cover art for TA2 or that MaryJane OVA, but the actual animation models don't really look like how the cover says.
But I trust T-REX. Seriously, BISHOP should drop A1C and give all of the remaining titles to them.
No.11042
I wish I was more fluent so I could translate on some of the stories through VNR. I've been deadlocked on my schedule for learning the language since I got down the kana.
No.11047
Is there a girl from the Houkago 3 cast that becomes a semen addict like Marika did in Sansha Mendan or do they all end up that way?
No.11053
>>11047
Pic related, it gets to the point where she holds her breath around MC because if she accidentally smells his semen she won't be able to control herself, in fact a couple times she orgasms uncontrollably from the scent of semen alone. When MC actually fucks her, she sucks his cock without him even asking because she's desperate for the taste of semen.
>>11042
The biggest problems when it comes to translating Bishop games (aside from the fact that translating anything is a lot of work) are that there's a lot of filler text (when finding the porn dvds in MK4 for example) that no one's interested in but would be disappointed if you ignored and the simple fact that porn writing is boring to translate, but you can't lose focus because Bishop actually has some pretty good authors.
No.11059
>semen tanlines
Bishop has given me a new fetish
No.11061
Having finished four routes of Mesu Kyoushi 1, and having spent the last few days going through old bishop games and re-reading some sections of MK1, I can now safely say, something went wrong in the production of this game, namely the writing. Maybe character designs were re-used in 2, as a way to preserve the good of the game and jump start a "proper" game… if you just looked at the visuals, I don't think you would notice anything wrong, but in terms of the text itself… I can only conclude something went wrong when writing . My reasoning is just that the writing is so bare bones. Each of the four routes are identical in structure, and every character ends up the same blank slate, saying the same things, what little that is… someone on an old chan site said "I just replayed Mesu Kyoushi 2 and it was pretty great, it has probably the best interactions of the series". That quote hit me hard and made me realize what was wrong with MK1 - there is no interaction, or at least what little interaction does exist is dry and dull, impersonal. The girls all act the same, they all react the same, they all do the same things, they all follow the same path of resistance… Some of you have said that you consider insta-mindbreak and personality wiping as a fetish, and I can definitely see the value in that. However, after witnessing it the fourth time, and witnessing the same epilogue the forth time, I can't even think of it as a fetish thing, but rather as a fundamental failure of writing. I was excited to see Saya break because she was the most rebellious and impudent of them all, but holy fuck her mindbroken state is like a robot. "Yes, master. Understood. Yes. I will do so. Yes, master". It was painful to read. Even as her sprite indicated a smug grin, even as a lusty smirk arose, her words did not reflect any intelligent life. I am sad to say that Saya was the very first Bishop route over 6 different games that I could not bring myself to fap to. It was just too boring.
I hate being negative, I really do. I love Bishop games. I wanted to love this game. The character designs are great, the art is really good despite it's age, and it's friggin' Bishop. But the writing is just too bad. I can honestly say that the language barrier is protecting this game more than anything else, the art is far above the writing quality here and has no doubt preserved a far more positive image of this game than it likely would have otherwise (or at least, would be a game recommended not to read and to just fap to CGs).
My motivation to read the remaining two routes is pretty low, I don't expect the 5th or 6th to differ from the first four all too much. For those of you who are big fans of MK1, I really do apologize, there's a lot of stuff to like in this game (Makoto is ridiculously hot, Rihoko is entertaining, the wild fetishes are actually extreme and go places modern Bishop wouldn't dream of) but I can't get over the writing, sorry.
I'm writing this wall of text pretty seriously, I know it's just a porn game, but Bishop is my favourite company with my favorite games, so please forgive me, haha.
No.11063
>>11061
>One of the first decent games from a company is barebones and lacking in some departments
Yeah pretty much. I'm just nowhere as upset about these issues as you are though.
I hear some earlier games like Houkago (or Gakuen, I never know for sure) are good in the writing department, but the art is lacking.
So yeah it seems Bishop was full of hit and mixes back then. MK2 is when everything started becoming more consistent, in my opinion.
Also what do you mean by interactions? between the girls and the protagonist or between one girl and another? Because the later is lacking in most Bishop games to this day.
No.11064
>>11063
Well, I'm not upset or anything. I'm not shaking my fist at Bishop, or crying while hugging a signed copy of Mesu Kyoushi 4, or anything. I guess the post came out like that because I'm balancing how plain bad I found it to be with all the people here who really like it (+my own expectations), so I ended up sounding very dramatic.
>Also what do you mean by interactions?
The girls and the protagonist. After being mindbroken, the scene fades out, and then when you next talk to the girl, she's already a robot who just barely manages to spit out a "Yes, master" before the sex starts, even in the endings. Very little dialogue outside of sex, is what I'm saying. It is a never ending shame that many good nukige shy so heavily away from the girls interacting for whatever reason, yeah.
No.11066
>>11059
We need these shorts translated.
No.11084
>>11066
I don't mind providing a script if someone else does the editing.
No.11089
>>11084
I'm definitely up for it. Should I post an email, or will you upload them somewhere?
No.11097
>>11089
Email me, I'll send'm when I'm done.
No.11098
No.11102
>>11097
>dekirutranslations
So do you plan working on that Miel game you were translating again or is it officially dead?
No.11104
>>11102
It's going stupid slow, I got really demotivated when no one commented on the preview patch. I really don't think many people care about that game, so if I restart an actual effort beyond 50-some lines a day I would prefer to do a bishop game, but there's pretty low chance of that (and I wouldn't announce it this time, what a fuck up).
No.11118
Forgive the stupid question, but are these games playable in Linux?
No.11120
>>11118
I play on a virtual machine.