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 No.4410

Wait.. he gets HOW much money?!!

 No.4411

breeding season gets 30k per month

roundscape gets 12k per month

dlsite and dmm are also completely transparent about sales and rates.

Top Japanese indie porn devs make between $100k and 400k per game.

You didn't think all the tons of content was all made for free, did you?


 No.4412

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>>4411

And with regards to non-indie japanese eroge, it's down a lot since early 2000s when the market was worth around $450 million per year. But it's still around $160 million which is a pretty decent chunk of change.


 No.4422

>>4411

>>4412

I guess I just expected better content with the amount of money he makes MONTHLY..


 No.4427

>>4422

Well that's an issue with the patreon model.

With patreon (as most western H-game devs have set it up) they get paid every month regardless of how much or how little they produce.

Japanese developers sell their games as regular software and as such can only make money once they have actually finished something. They have to compete with other producers on an open market.

But really, western hentai fans can only blame themselves.

Western h-game fans have again and again shown that they're not interested in buying h-games as regular products.

As such Akabur and Breeding Season have been very smart, they're selling something that can't be pirated: A game they haven't made yet. But it can be made as long as you keep donating!


 No.4428

>>4427

>Well that's an issue with the patreon model.

I don't get why Patreon gets all the flak. Patreon doesn't force you to charge monthly. English H devs get away with ripping people off because there's no competition. I wonder if these high monthly salaries will attract actual talent, or if the bubble will pop before then.


 No.4429

>>4428

Which is why I added the "as western devs have set it up".

I see that there are a lot of other types of creators who have set it up so they get paid per thing they make, and have after making a patreon increased their productivity significantly. Good for them.

But also like I mentioned there can't be true competition in the way things are currently arranged.

Akabur and the others aren't selling finished games, they're selling the promise of FUTURE games.

How can there be competition in such a market? Who is the best bullshitter? Who is the best at jerking their fans around?


 No.4440

>>4427

>>4428

It's a sign of economic failure. You have high loans in other areas which make such games harder to produce. What was said about the Japanese model also has to be understood that the tariffs for physical products is still high and no one in Japan wants to do translation for games when it's likely to be "pirated" anyway.

The Japanese business model is indeed old, used when companies had a physical product to sell. But the Kickstarters and Patreons coming in now with a push for cheaper lending as government and private lending has become expensive, for-profit ventures shouldn't be ignored in how they affect our behavior and make people more likely to be driven to different ways of making money.


 No.4539

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>>4410

You know, it's odd that better artists aren't doing this. Those who make commissions for pennies and really know how to draw should be doing the same thing. Or better yet, devs who are known to deliver and finish their projects on time and have good project management skills, unlike the Breeding and Roundscape crews.


 No.4540

>>4539

Maybe that's because they don't want to be known as beggars that begs for money, and are actually good enough, so they can live without it.

Aaaand there's a thing about taboo, psychology and all that shit that prevents from throwing money for porn games by normal ways.


 No.4545

>>4540

Those e-beggars are raking it in though, imagine how much money a pro could make. I suppose they are too proud for that though and quality doesn't necessarily mean that more supporters.


 No.4561

Thats fucking hilarious considering he has only "finished" one game (which was blatantly unfinished).

Fuck I hate patreon and the lazy trend it has inspired.


 No.4563

File: 1432109572271.jpg (385.05 KB, 1140x927, 380:309, Motherofgod.jpg)

>tfw you'll never make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year drawing pictures


 No.4567

what was the game called the dev posted on this board ?

Girl was called 'Freia' or something like that.

I can't find his thread and Patreon anymore


 No.4569

>>4563

Over half a million a year. I didn't know artists could make that much money while alive.

>>4567

Try Feira.


 No.4571

>>4569

>Over half a million a year. I didn't know artists could make that much money while alive.

It's all about networking, Goy. There are "artists" making that much money to drip their period blood in the floor.

The problem with art is that talent is no indication of earning potential.


 No.4595

>>4571

>The problem with art is that talent is no indication of earning potential.

You can't expect the mass market to like what you like.

People are going to fund the artists they like regardless of what you think of their talent.

But what you can do is invest in the things you like to ensure that they have a market too.


 No.4599

>>4595

>People are going to fund the artists they like

You are missing the point though. Being a "made" artist means that there is a market, no matter how shitty your art. It's all advertising, essentially.

There is actually a science of how they get new songs on the radio. If they can get you to listen to something enough, it actually changes what music you like.


 No.4607

>>4595

>You can't expect the mass market to like what you like.

Oh fuck off. The 'art' world today is completely corrupt, its not a matter of differing opinions.

Its a money laundering scheme and a jewish destruction of culture.


 No.4617

>3k a week

>Still no lola scene

why


 No.4621

>>4617

[hand-wringing in the distance]


 No.4701

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>>4545

E-begger income depends on on art skill, but on PR and begging skills.

Of course, you need some minimal proficiency, but above that - no much difference


 No.4702

>>4701

s/E-begger income depends on on/E-beggar income depends not on/


 No.4839

and yet he's still a greedy jew who refuses to hire people to help make games faster


 No.4845

>>4563

sweet fucking jesus


 No.4858

>>4563

I like how everyone sympathises with artists when they dont make any money, but the moment they do its somehow unfair.

its just supply and demand, man.


 No.4862

>>4858

There's making money out of art, and then there's selling a promise to make art. There's no supply and demand when it comes to promises, it's just a ponzi scheme without returns.


 No.4866

this guy really doesn't deserve this much money. He gets 12k a fucking month but refuses to hire people to help make games faster. Also

>He says he's working on the gold edition of princess trainer

>I check his activity page

>"I just finished these drawings for broken heart bordello" the shit game nobody gives a fuck about

don't support this fag, you are paying him so he can fuck around


 No.4868

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Meanwhile, the guy who made this: http://video.fc2.com/en/a/content/20150316pLdNLDWt/

Gets a grand total of $0 for the game he is making.

https://www.patreon.com/Stratovarius?ty=h


 No.4870

>>4868

that's not very good tbh


 No.4878

>>4862

its also a donation. subscribing to a Patreon in no way entitles you to anything. youre giving money to a content creator because you want to, not because youre buying his product or service.

an increased amount of money also doesnt magically make a single person produce more content faster. Nor is the patreon neccesarily to pay for his game. Maybe he has debts, maybe he wants to move out of the shit place he lives now, maybe he has bills?


 No.4898

>>4878

That was more or less the idea of Patreon, but like any system, it can be altered or abused. Not everyone understands that it's supposed to be a donation bin, you have people who are under the impression that it's a method to guarantee that a creator produces content, and the way some creators advertise their Patreons, it certainly makes more people believe the latter.

Take Sakimi-chan for example. Her patreon tiers are literal subscription blocks, and her higher milestone rewards are literally selling a chance for a piece of work. Take a look at her deviantart, the description for every piece of her work contains a link to her patreon, you'll also notice there's hardly a trace of original work, nor are any of the pieces based on niche series. Her content is specifically tailored to catch the most vulnerable fanbases, it's intrinsically tied to her patreons' patterns.

You'll notice the same patterns all across popular patreons. It's a donation service turned into psychological scam.


 No.4961

>>4868

That's because he literally just started the patreon…


 No.4968

>>4868

So fucking stiff… And im not talking about my penis, if you know what i mean.




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