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f725e3 No.12372[Reply]

""We want to eventually have a resources sticky with links and suggestions of good books, podcasts, etc""

And yet here we are in the year 2015 without such a thing. Let's change this, /his/torians: post up your resources and books you've found invaluable in your quest for knowledge.

And don't be a dick about it: don't just link something random. Try and give a very brief review of it, indicate why it's good and who its target audience would be. Introductory stuff is always going to be welcome, but sometimes it can be hard to find where to go next, so help your brothers out.
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c57005 No.36217

>>21286

Can confirm. I've read The World of the Phoenicians and am just finishing The Face of the Ancient Orient,' both are seriously good books, informative and educational, even for people with no prior knowledge of the periods (like me). The latter gives a comprehensive overview of the Ancient Orient, beginning with the Sumerians, and ending with the synthesis of the constituent parts brought about by the Persians.




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12e834 No.33850[Reply]

RULES 2016 EDITION

1. Obey global rules

2. Keep things related to history and its study.

2a. History, for the purposes of this board, covers pre-History and all events up to the fall of the Soviet Union. Further than that and it's considered political discussion or discussion of modern events- take it to /pol/ or /b/.

3. If lewd images must be posted, do so on spoilers. Consider if it wouldn't be better posted elsewhere.

3-a. If you're in doubt whether it's lewd enough to spoiler, err on the side of caution and do it.

GUIDELINES- not quite rules, but good to follow for good posting

1. Check the catalog before posting to see if a thread may already be available for your discussion.

1a. Avoid making threads expecting people to just do your homework for you. Show some work yourself in starting the discussion instead of just "guys what was the main reason for the fall of Sebastianism in the 19th century"

2. Be prepared to present good sources for anything you claim, especially if you come here to posit opinions you know are controversial.

3. This being 8ch, we don't want to limit what you can post about. That said, we'd like posts to be of a good quality level, and related to history. If your post contains nothing more than >IMPLYING NIGGERS HAD A CULTURE, consider if you aren't better off in /pol/.

4. If you have any problem with the moderation here, or suggestions, please post them here instead of making a thread for it (not really historical-related) or making one in whatever board about 8ch discussion is being used nowadays (I don't even know!)

In other words, don't be a dumbass. This board works fine with a semi-absent BO and a bunch of mods who delete CP bots. Don't ruin it.

(want to post banners, do so here too)

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071e8a No.36140

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>>35611

>some Saturday soon.

being this saturday

so if you have nothing to do, come to khantube, in about 5 and a half hours (and pre-movie party before that)




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9f571c No.6981[Reply]

We've got customizable flags
Post here what flags you want me to upload.
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271221 No.35911

Testing




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213040 No.36215[Reply]

Hi /his, I come from /pol/, and sometimes I think they get a bit LARPy on there with their own version of the "WE WUZ KANGZ" shit. For example they claim that the Sumerians and the Egyptian nobility were of European stock - at first I laughed it off but then they posted some interesting things that at least warrant investigation. So what are your thoughts on this stuff? Is there any merit to any of it?

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53fdaa No.36219

From what I understand, the Middle East used to be whiter before the Arab conquests. That doesn't mean that we was kings, but that there's probably a fairly decent amount of truth to those kinds of ideas. That doesn't mean that the ancient Egyptians were all full on Nordic or anything, though. I think the blue eyes in ancient art of this type were often symbolic.

I know they're getting a lot of their ideas from stuff like March of the Titans (considered a pseudohistory work from what I understand– how much substance there is to those claims, I don't know), and considering how the first .jpg tries to pass of Yuya as being the Biblical Joseph (which isn't an accepted belief in Egyptology), I wouldn't put much stock in these images.

Having said all that, I really don't know much about the topic.


70414f No.36220

File: 1458666158188-0.jpg (64.78 KB, 446x256, 223:128, Sumerian brownis..jpg)

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The sumerians may have just used the blue stone because it looked dank, theyve got other depictions of themselves as well after all and I remember having read that "Sumerian" meant something like "blackhead" which would indicate their haircolour without question at least.

>>36219

From what I understand the Middleeasteners had more ethnics back then with europid appearance, but were not equal to the populations living in actual europe by default.

More like protoeuropeans or something like that.


3cfbf6 No.36221

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>first pic

The Egyptian skull looks more like the African than the European one IMO, but I'm no anthropologist.

Also

>if blonde hair… why blue eyes?

Uhm, non sequitur. And even those same cherrypicked statues have dark hair.

>Yuya (Biblical Joseph)

The Biblical Joseph was (wait for it) a Jew. What the hell does that prove about Egyptians? And I seriously doubt that mummy is his.

>Nefertiti

She looks Asian tbqh.

>second pic

Again "look, they were blonde" with dark-haired statues. Made by the ones who called themselves "black heads" if I'm not mistaken. And those are just pretty blue stones. Nice unibrows though.

>the Sumerians are Caucasians

>t. guy quoted in a 100 year old work

No shit, everyone who's not Negroid or Mongoloid is. Semites, Hamites and Aryans are all Caucasians, for what it's worth.

>imgur link

The very first pic tries to link three kinds of structures, all wildly different in everything but vague shape, to, uhm, Aryan ayy lmaos?

Trashed.

Sorry man but this shit isn't very convincing. Try with evidence next time. Books, articles, not pics from the internet.


2d5424 No.36224

>>36215

>pic one

>which skull does it most resemble

If you ask me, of those three presented, it's actually most like the Asian one.


2d5424 No.36225

>>36219

>>36220

Oh and Egyptians themselves used red tones to paint themselves (which includes the priests and pharaohs), and also described peoples like Hyksos (who could've been related to Indo-Europeans) as pale-skinned. So Egyptians were most likely "bronze-skinned", perhaps a bit like the modern-day Khoi-San on the other side of Africa.




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4d8ed5 No.36146[Reply]

Amateur military /his/torian here (Hopefully one day professional military /his/torian). I recently did some casual digging into the Migration era and the subsequent Viking era. Normally I'm very much into Antiquity, the Medieval period, and the Renaissance and Early Modern. I've never paid much attention to this one, but now I'm distinctly interested.

What reading would you recommend to educate myself on the fundamentals of this period?

c13d0c No.36151

>>36146

Okay, I'm preparing for a shit storm but I you're looking for something that is entertaining while also giving some sort of historical context, Bernard Cornwell's novels are amazing.


4d8ed5 No.36153

>>36151

The Saxon Stories, right? I can work with that, but I was also hoping for just straight up informative books as well. Either way, thanks for pointing me in literally any kind of helpful direction, anon.


91f519 No.36182

>>36153

>but I was also hoping for just straight up informative books as well

Dr Barbara Yorke-Kings and Kingdoms of Early Anglo-Saxon England

Lapidge, John Blair, Simon Keynes, Donald Scragg-The Wiley Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England

EsmondebCleary-The Ending of Roman Britain

Stuart Laycock-Britannia_ The Failed State_ Ethnic Conflict and the End of Roman Britain

Stuart Laycock-Warlords_ The Struggle for Power in Post-Roman Britain

You can get them all from lib.gen.rus.ec/

Also get the Osprey books if you like pretty pictures and /his/ memes


4d8ed5 No.36223

>>36182

Cool, thanks for all the help!




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c184ac No.34080[Reply]

Was it a good thing that the Normans conquered England or did this hinder the development of England? I can imagine it being the latter but I can not provide much evidence as to why.

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1da4be No.34577

>>34543

Why do those face masks look so fucking cool /his/?


d8c25b No.34630

>>34543

The domesday book was a book for taxes owed to the viking dominions in britain though


c184ac No.34983

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October 14th 1066, worst day of my life.


317971 No.34988

>>34543

>>34577

that king's mask looks extremely impractical and uncomfortable, is there any evidence that it has been used in battle? cause it would seem a bit more logical to me that it was just a gravegift like king tuts mask


001750 No.36222

>>34988

As a HEMA guy, that helmet doesn't look any less practical than a sallet and bevor in the 15th century. It would protect the fact, and that rendering seems to indicate that it gave you good range of vision. Most helmets are catch-22s anyway.




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841e6c No.36186[Reply]

Were Germanic languages very similar to each other? Or very different?

Or were they very similar then individually changed over time after they settled?

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fedf07 No.36191

>>36189

Then, could a person from Vandal kingsom conversate with Suebian man?


02c836 No.36197

>>36191

Vandal language was East Germanic, like Gothic. Attested Gothic language is already quite different from early forms of surviving Germanic branches. Suebian language was most likely of Irminonic branch of West Germanic, from which modern High German dialects (Alemannic and Bavarian) derive.

I'd say at the point of migrations, they have diverged by about as much as Slavic languages have (which started diverging from Proto-Slavic around 8th century) — at least by looking at what linguistic evidence we have and also rough timeframe of language evolution. Which would mean different branches would have difficulties understanding each other at first, but there's no need to properly learn each other's language in order to communicate


02cc28 No.36198

>>36197

Just want to butt in a bit, this is pretty much all speculation though, right?


02c836 No.36201

>>36198

We have written accounts of Gothic language from 4th century onwards. There are also sporadic written accounts of Western and Northern Germanic languages in Runic alphabet from 2nd century onwards. Procopius, in 6th century, mentions that Vandals and Goths are related (and also puts Gepids and Visi(goths) in the same basket, but not other Germanic peoples).

Pliny specifically puts Suebi into the Irminonic tribes, which are also identified as a group by Tacitus and Pomponius. Area inhabited by Irminonic tribes underwent the High German consonant shift before 6th century, which can be seen from the change in spelling in inscriptions compared to other West Germanic dialects.

Germanic languages show common Celtic loanwords, some of those related to technological inventions related to ironworking. iron itself is a Celtic loan, which implies it was introduced to Germanics by Celts. Those loans can be identified because they didn't undergo the regular sound shifts from Proto-Indo-European to Proto-Germanic, but later underwent the same sound shifts as Germanic words when the language developed further, diverging on the way. This puts a constraint on when Germanic languages diverged, it should be around the time of Hallstatt culture, and certainly not before the time of Urnfield culture, because that's when iron was first sporadically used in northern Europe. This means a common Germanic language must have been spoken as late as 800BC and likely even later (most sources give around 500BC for time of such linguistic contact).

Slavic languages, meanwhile, had a common linguistic development with regular sound changes in pre-Slavic place names until around the time of Charlemagne. The time period of development of Slavic languages until present is therefore similar to the time period of development of Germanic languages by the point of migrations. Of course, languages don't all change equally fast, most notably the rapid development seen in English (along with hybridization of vocabulary with French). But when there's no big external factors involved, and when there's no geographical isolation, we can assume language evolution hapPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


a94aad No.36218

They still are,just look at durch and german, and even languages from slightly digferent families sound really alike sometimes, im from frieslân and a friend of mine went to norway on a trip once and he could communicate in frisian with the norwegians




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5ead64 No.36109[Reply]

Has there ever been a non-Arab African civilization with writing on par with Phoenician or ancient Chinese writing?

The Nigerians had something close, but it seems to be closer to something like the runic alphabet than an actual system of writing.

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70059a No.36208

>>36154

>rongorongo

>african


f74652 No.36209

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>>36183

>linear B

>african


fa0786 No.36212

>>36208

In my defense, OP asked

>Has there ever been a non-Arab African civilization with writing on par with Phoenician or ancient Chinese writing

Doesn't specify it have to be from Africa.


35b24a No.36213

You could say Tifnagh but that pretty much comes from Phoenician.


133f92 No.36214

>>36212

>a non-Arab African civilisation

???




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17a383 No.34719[Reply]

want to ask a question but too scared of being bullied? ask it here!

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657994 No.36164

How exactly were crusader States governed, and how did thy choose their next leader?

Any other resources on crusader states would be appreciated.


555989 No.36187

How come Western Europeans had such a bad relationship with Byzantines?


907fb3 No.36188

>>36187

Schism


0b8f09 No.36203

>>36187

Seeing themselves as the rightful heirs to the Roman Empire (or rather, actually just as the Roman Empire continued), it didn't sit to well with the Byzantines that some barbarians who fucked up Rome just a few centuries ago suddenly claimed its legacy (and the papacy) for themselves, despite of the fact that their ancestors were one of the reason Rome fell in the first place.


2a893f No.36211

File: 1458609827548.webm (3.46 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, WAKE ME UP.webm)

What if both Rome (East and West) fell during the migration?




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5bba1b No.20648[Reply]

>Europeans never practiced concubinage

>Europeans never practiced sex slavery

>Europeans never practiced female genital mutilation

>Europeans never made women cover up

>Europeans never stoned women to death for adultery

While women in Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries today are having their clits removed at birth, getting acid thrown in their faces and are forced to wear giant sheets over their bodies, European women hundreds of years ago were leading armies into battle.

So I ask you /his. Why can't non Europeans into treating the torch bearers of their respective races with basic respect and dignity?

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59c48b No.36200

>>36199

>Not these days, which is how the first part of my post happened.

Oh boy, have you had a look at Eastern Europe and the Balkans any time recently? How about Spain and Italy? Or Britain with Tax Fraud by MPs? You're deluded, mate.


8b1f00 No.36202

>>36178

Yeah, and it's gotten really annoying lately. /pol/ has become to /his/ what the Jews are to /pol/, that is to say a boogeyman. The difference is at least /pol/'s paranoia is funny to watch, whereas /his/ just comes across as having a giant stick shoved up it's collective ass.


2c1909 No.36206

>>36200

You misunderstand. I'm saying these days it's corrupt, which is how it got flooded with third worlders and other problems which then lead to most of them no longer doing well and increasing their crime rates.


2c1909 No.36207

>>36206

Or more to the point it's gotten much more corrupt, which didn't use to be the case.


59c48b No.36210

>>36202

Yeah, it's a bit annoying really, any retarded or dissident opinion is a "/pol/" opinion, which is a bit silly. It is a minority though.

>>36206

Tell me more about how countries being corrupt has led to mass migration, that is a very… different opinion. Also, if you admit that European countries are corrupt and are not doing well economically then the point that European and Anglosphere countries are superior is irrelevant.




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e3d3fa No.36167[Reply]

Would the ME been better off if the Ottoman Empire didnt dissolve after WW1?

3e6bf2 No.36168

>>36167

It would have dissolved shortly after most likely anyway.


ec00f5 No.36175

>>36167

You can't really go into this alternate history because the Ottoman Empire had been collapsing for over a century, there was very little way for it to stay stable.


e3d3fa No.36177

>>36175

>>36168

But then at least the lands wouldnt be in control of Britain, which together with the US has done great contributions to the ME's instability and zealotry


b06db6 No.36205

>>36177

Instead you would have some further decades under a regim that had already been collapsing in upon itself for a good while. Cue different warlords taking control of the territory, and you more or less inevitably end up with the ME being just as fucked up as it is today, or the British taking over after which the ME also becomes just as fucked up as it is today.




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899d27 No.14352[Reply]

>be me a Normal Roman Soldier
>stationed in Britan
>a cute celtic girl comes up to me and asks for help
>be Virgin, too beta to go to whore house
>her father who is ancient needs help walking
>he is very ancient, must have fought against Ceaser (200 years later btw)
>he sees me
>I start to help him
>I take him to the forge (where he worked, good arms but bad legs and hip)
>I leave trying to look as Alpha as a centurion infront of Celtic girl
>she asks me to follow her
>go behind a hut
>awwyeah.ivorysculpture
>no awwyeah.ivorysculpture
>as she starts to take her shirt off someone hits the back of my head with a rock
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0a8aaf No.36148

File: 1458426911515.jpg (198.24 KB, 1024x587, 1024:587, 1455357028126-0.jpg)

my other stories aren't that good, but this might be

>be crusader under godfrey

>the long trek to jerusalem has been pretty hard

>infidels have poisoned the wells

>nearly dying of dehydration

>nearly half of the troops fully dying of dehydration

> have been able to get by with pillaging villages

>twasthenightbeforejerusalem.scroll

>friar of our group told us a story

>can't remember fully, but something about a roman named Long-gina sticking his rod in jesus

>secretlyhard.tapestry

>later that night, go out to find someplace to "relieve myself" because no women for miles

>even if there were, i'm too much of an autistic beta to even approach them

>find a cave

>go inside and start to undo pants

> find a spear

> the bottom looks safe enough to put inside my ass

> just then

>one of my crusader bros comes in

>quickly pull up my pants

>"anonuix, what are you doing here?"

>ohshitnigger.parchment

>start to panic until i remember that rod story

>tell him some bullshit about this being inside jesus

>brings me to godfrey

>fuckmyshitup.papyrus

>"anonuix has just found the spear of longinus"

>so that's how you say it

>godfrey calls for celebration

>get paraded around the camp

>next morning, we promptly take over jerusalem

>TL;DR being an autistic beta-fag sometimes pays off, /his/


6bfe2e No.36160

>>36148

>confusing the battle of Antioch with the siege of Jerusalem

>.scroll

>.papyrus

>general nonsense

3/10


0a8aaf No.36173

>>36160

Yeah. I should just accept I'm bad at greentext stories.


acc0bc No.36179

>>33528

it's pretty bad


075359 No.36193

>>36147

You monster.




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796842 No.35545[Reply]

I would like to discuss the possibility of Atlantis having existed as an actual, historic city that has not been founded by Ayyliens, ancient Ayyliens, time travelers or demon nazi communists, but rather as a regular (presumably Mediterranean) city that was lost during a natural disaster or became forgotten in its original form for other reasons, only to be romanticized into the Utopia we nowadays connect with the name.

I already now a handful of the more realistic theories, with my favorite one being the idea that Atlantis was originally was a Minoan settlement on the South Aegean Santorini isle that went bottoms-up during the Minoan Eruption around 1600 BC, but I'd like to hear what the /his/torians take on the issue is.

On the other hand, explanations of Atlantis as a purely mythological place linked to the common flood myth are also welcome - perhaps Atlantis was the equivalent of the Christian Garden Eden or Ovid's version of Arcadia - a paradisaical idyll that or a metaphor for a lost "Golden Age" when gods and legendary heroes still walked the earth.

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ab56e7 No.35961

>>35916

and the british claimed their origin from israelites for a while

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism


54ca08 No.36038

>>35922

The idea with the flood myth imho isn't far-fetched, doubly so when so many cultures in the Medittereanean and the Middle East have relatively similar stories regarding it.

To this end, I could imagine that "Atlantis" is a highly idealized idea of life and the world before the thawing glaciers and pole caps flooded several large areas around the Earth.


434bdb No.36158

File: 1458478416651.png (620.03 KB, 1050x708, 175:118, Poseidon Master of Atlanti….png)

Bimini Straits

Look it up

BTW if it was not an allegory Plato was supposedly told about that by "Egyptian Priest". Mind you they found one mummy with material which could come only from Americas at time, with coca and I think tobacco?

Also look up: Comalcalco stones and Phoenicians, if it's right we have first written instantion of Arabic whatsoever pre-Koranic times

>>35608

People thought same about Troy

>>35615

Garden of Eden was believed to be around Mesopotamia, no? And the place Ark landed on - As Mount Ararat

Idk, look up Jewish interpretation


434bdb No.36159

>>35826

That's Mu, people confuse with Lemuria "Eastern Atlantis"

Likewise near Cuba coasts you can find something

Lemuria itself was inventes as an evolutionist theory continent linking Lemures appearing in Africa and Indian sub-continent, that is before we knew of tectonic places


0337a4 No.36192

Atlantis was a made up city.

The only Greek colony west of was Tartessos.

Atlantis was a synonym for tyranny and opression while Athens was a symbol of freedom and democracy.

Like all Greek stories, take it with a grain of salt.




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cc55f4 No.36184[Reply]

how do they expect me to read the diacriticals in this tiny babby font?

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133

99d849 No.36190

What's the matter gramps, can't read the spiritus asper?




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b17337 No.34130[Reply]

I don't know if alternate history speculation is allowed on this board, but I wanted to ask a question : what would have happened if England never colonized India? I know India was not a unified nation at the time, but could the empires of India at the time fought back the british? what would happen in India's history from there on to today?

Pic related. flag of the Kingdom of Travancore

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4836d0 No.36156

>>36136

Pakistan is a British colonial construct, just like India


d840cd No.36161

File: 1458483935400.jpg (434.43 KB, 1210x1279, 1210:1279, 1446346490228.jpg)

>>36156

>Pakistan

Mughals

>India

Mauryans, Hindi state

India is as artificial as say, Iran - A Farsi state

t. knower from Azad Hind


2014cf No.36163

>>36161

JUST

FUCK

MY

PRUSSIA

UP


61b777 No.36171

>>36161

I actually tried to make that picture, but I have shitty experience with Photoshop so I decided to scrap it

>>34130

It Would be cool to wonder what happens to the Sikh empire and what a long-standing secular state would mean for the world


c56644 No.36174

>>36156

>>36161

pakistan is a british colonial construct

but india isn't because it's an empire-tier title




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