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12e834 No.33850[Reply]

RULES 2016 EDITION

1. Obey global rules

2. Keep things related to history and its study.

2a. History, for the purposes of this board, covers pre-History and all events up to the fall of the Soviet Union. Further than that and it's considered political discussion or discussion of modern events- take it to /pol/ or /b/.

3. If lewd images must be posted, do so on spoilers. Consider if it wouldn't be better posted elsewhere.

3-a. If you're in doubt whether it's lewd enough to spoiler, err on the side of caution and do it.

GUIDELINES- not quite rules, but good to follow for good posting

1. Check the catalog before posting to see if a thread may already be available for your discussion.

1a. Avoid making threads expecting people to just do your homework for you. Show some work yourself in starting the discussion instead of just "guys what was the main reason for the fall of Sebastianism in the 19th century"

2. Be prepared to present good sources for anything you claim, especially if you come here to posit opinions you know are controversial.

3. This being 8ch, we don't want to limit what you can post about. That said, we'd like posts to be of a good quality level, and related to history. If your post contains nothing more than >IMPLYING NIGGERS HAD A CULTURE, consider if you aren't better off in /pol/.

4. If you have any problem with the moderation here, or suggestions, please post them here instead of making a thread for it (not really historical-related) or making one in whatever board about 8ch discussion is being used nowadays (I don't even know!)

In other words, don't be a dumbass. This board works fine with a semi-absent BO and a bunch of mods who delete CP bots. Don't ruin it.

(want to post banners, do so here too)

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071e8a No.36140

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>>35611

>some Saturday soon.

being this saturday

so if you have nothing to do, come to khantube, in about 5 and a half hours (and pre-movie party before that)




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f725e3 No.12372[Reply]

""We want to eventually have a resources sticky with links and suggestions of good books, podcasts, etc""

And yet here we are in the year 2015 without such a thing. Let's change this, /his/torians: post up your resources and books you've found invaluable in your quest for knowledge.

And don't be a dick about it: don't just link something random. Try and give a very brief review of it, indicate why it's good and who its target audience would be. Introductory stuff is always going to be welcome, but sometimes it can be hard to find where to go next, so help your brothers out.
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c7d279 No.36016

http://thememorypalace.us/

not so much an in-depth history podcast, but rather some quirky tales from around 19th century to 20th, just how people lived and interesting stories about interesting people




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9f571c No.6981[Reply]

We've got customizable flags
Post here what flags you want me to upload.
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271221 No.35911

Testing




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5ead64 No.36109[Reply]

Has there ever been a non-Arab African civilization with writing on par with Phoenician or ancient Chinese writing?

The Nigerians had something close, but it seems to be closer to something like the runic alphabet than an actual system of writing.

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70059a No.36208

>>36154

>rongorongo

>african


f74652 No.36209

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>>36183

>linear B

>african


fa0786 No.36212

>>36208

In my defense, OP asked

>Has there ever been a non-Arab African civilization with writing on par with Phoenician or ancient Chinese writing

Doesn't specify it have to be from Africa.


35b24a No.36213

You could say Tifnagh but that pretty much comes from Phoenician.


133f92 No.36214

>>36212

>a non-Arab African civilisation

???




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17a383 No.34719[Reply]

want to ask a question but too scared of being bullied? ask it here!

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657994 No.36164

How exactly were crusader States governed, and how did thy choose their next leader?

Any other resources on crusader states would be appreciated.


555989 No.36187

How come Western Europeans had such a bad relationship with Byzantines?


907fb3 No.36188

>>36187

Schism


0b8f09 No.36203

>>36187

Seeing themselves as the rightful heirs to the Roman Empire (or rather, actually just as the Roman Empire continued), it didn't sit to well with the Byzantines that some barbarians who fucked up Rome just a few centuries ago suddenly claimed its legacy (and the papacy) for themselves, despite of the fact that their ancestors were one of the reason Rome fell in the first place.


2a893f No.36211

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What if both Rome (East and West) fell during the migration?




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5bba1b No.20648[Reply]

>Europeans never practiced concubinage

>Europeans never practiced sex slavery

>Europeans never practiced female genital mutilation

>Europeans never made women cover up

>Europeans never stoned women to death for adultery

While women in Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries today are having their clits removed at birth, getting acid thrown in their faces and are forced to wear giant sheets over their bodies, European women hundreds of years ago were leading armies into battle.

So I ask you /his. Why can't non Europeans into treating the torch bearers of their respective races with basic respect and dignity?

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59c48b No.36200

>>36199

>Not these days, which is how the first part of my post happened.

Oh boy, have you had a look at Eastern Europe and the Balkans any time recently? How about Spain and Italy? Or Britain with Tax Fraud by MPs? You're deluded, mate.


8b1f00 No.36202

>>36178

Yeah, and it's gotten really annoying lately. /pol/ has become to /his/ what the Jews are to /pol/, that is to say a boogeyman. The difference is at least /pol/'s paranoia is funny to watch, whereas /his/ just comes across as having a giant stick shoved up it's collective ass.


2c1909 No.36206

>>36200

You misunderstand. I'm saying these days it's corrupt, which is how it got flooded with third worlders and other problems which then lead to most of them no longer doing well and increasing their crime rates.


2c1909 No.36207

>>36206

Or more to the point it's gotten much more corrupt, which didn't use to be the case.


59c48b No.36210

>>36202

Yeah, it's a bit annoying really, any retarded or dissident opinion is a "/pol/" opinion, which is a bit silly. It is a minority though.

>>36206

Tell me more about how countries being corrupt has led to mass migration, that is a very… different opinion. Also, if you admit that European countries are corrupt and are not doing well economically then the point that European and Anglosphere countries are superior is irrelevant.




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e3d3fa No.36167[Reply]

Would the ME been better off if the Ottoman Empire didnt dissolve after WW1?

3e6bf2 No.36168

>>36167

It would have dissolved shortly after most likely anyway.


ec00f5 No.36175

>>36167

You can't really go into this alternate history because the Ottoman Empire had been collapsing for over a century, there was very little way for it to stay stable.


e3d3fa No.36177

>>36175

>>36168

But then at least the lands wouldnt be in control of Britain, which together with the US has done great contributions to the ME's instability and zealotry


b06db6 No.36205

>>36177

Instead you would have some further decades under a regim that had already been collapsing in upon itself for a good while. Cue different warlords taking control of the territory, and you more or less inevitably end up with the ME being just as fucked up as it is today, or the British taking over after which the ME also becomes just as fucked up as it is today.




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841e6c No.36186[Reply]

Were Germanic languages very similar to each other? Or very different?

Or were they very similar then individually changed over time after they settled?

d55470 No.36189

>Were Germanic languages very similar to each other?

Well duh ya dummy, they're in the same family. They all come from Proto-Germanic but diverged pretty fast into Proto-Norse, Proto-Northwest Germanic and so on. Also some of them have different influences, such as Old English from Celtic.


fedf07 No.36191

>>36189

Then, could a person from Vandal kingsom conversate with Suebian man?


02c836 No.36197

>>36191

Vandal language was East Germanic, like Gothic. Attested Gothic language is already quite different from early forms of surviving Germanic branches. Suebian language was most likely of Irminonic branch of West Germanic, from which modern High German dialects (Alemannic and Bavarian) derive.

I'd say at the point of migrations, they have diverged by about as much as Slavic languages have (which started diverging from Proto-Slavic around 8th century) — at least by looking at what linguistic evidence we have and also rough timeframe of language evolution. Which would mean different branches would have difficulties understanding each other at first, but there's no need to properly learn each other's language in order to communicate


02cc28 No.36198

>>36197

Just want to butt in a bit, this is pretty much all speculation though, right?


02c836 No.36201

>>36198

We have written accounts of Gothic language from 4th century onwards. There are also sporadic written accounts of Western and Northern Germanic languages in Runic alphabet from 2nd century onwards. Procopius, in 6th century, mentions that Vandals and Goths are related (and also puts Gepids and Visi(goths) in the same basket, but not other Germanic peoples).

Pliny specifically puts Suebi into the Irminonic tribes, which are also identified as a group by Tacitus and Pomponius. Area inhabited by Irminonic tribes underwent the High German consonant shift before 6th century, which can be seen from the change in spelling in inscriptions compared to other West Germanic dialects.

Germanic languages show common Celtic loanwords, some of those related to technological inventions related to ironworking. iron itself is a Celtic loan, which implies it was introduced to Germanics by Celts. Those loans can be identified because they didn't undergo the regular sound shifts from Proto-Indo-European to Proto-Germanic, but later underwent the same sound shifts as Germanic words when the language developed further, diverging on the way. This puts a constraint on when Germanic languages diverged, it should be around the time of Hallstatt culture, and certainly not before the time of Urnfield culture, because that's when iron was first sporadically used in northern Europe. This means a common Germanic language must have been spoken as late as 800BC and likely even later (most sources give around 500BC for time of such linguistic contact).

Slavic languages, meanwhile, had a common linguistic development with regular sound changes in pre-Slavic place names until around the time of Charlemagne. The time period of development of Slavic languages until present is therefore similar to the time period of development of Germanic languages by the point of migrations. Of course, languages don't all change equally fast, most notably the rapid development seen in English (along with hybridization of vocabulary with French). But when there's no big external factors involved, and when there's no geographical isolation, we can assume language evolution hapPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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899d27 No.14352[Reply]

>be me a Normal Roman Soldier
>stationed in Britan
>a cute celtic girl comes up to me and asks for help
>be Virgin, too beta to go to whore house
>her father who is ancient needs help walking
>he is very ancient, must have fought against Ceaser (200 years later btw)
>he sees me
>I start to help him
>I take him to the forge (where he worked, good arms but bad legs and hip)
>I leave trying to look as Alpha as a centurion infront of Celtic girl
>she asks me to follow her
>go behind a hut
>awwyeah.ivorysculpture
>no awwyeah.ivorysculpture
>as she starts to take her shirt off someone hits the back of my head with a rock
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0a8aaf No.36148

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my other stories aren't that good, but this might be

>be crusader under godfrey

>the long trek to jerusalem has been pretty hard

>infidels have poisoned the wells

>nearly dying of dehydration

>nearly half of the troops fully dying of dehydration

> have been able to get by with pillaging villages

>twasthenightbeforejerusalem.scroll

>friar of our group told us a story

>can't remember fully, but something about a roman named Long-gina sticking his rod in jesus

>secretlyhard.tapestry

>later that night, go out to find someplace to "relieve myself" because no women for miles

>even if there were, i'm too much of an autistic beta to even approach them

>find a cave

>go inside and start to undo pants

> find a spear

> the bottom looks safe enough to put inside my ass

> just then

>one of my crusader bros comes in

>quickly pull up my pants

>"anonuix, what are you doing here?"

>ohshitnigger.parchment

>start to panic until i remember that rod story

>tell him some bullshit about this being inside jesus

>brings me to godfrey

>fuckmyshitup.papyrus

>"anonuix has just found the spear of longinus"

>so that's how you say it

>godfrey calls for celebration

>get paraded around the camp

>next morning, we promptly take over jerusalem

>TL;DR being an autistic beta-fag sometimes pays off, /his/


6bfe2e No.36160

>>36148

>confusing the battle of Antioch with the siege of Jerusalem

>.scroll

>.papyrus

>general nonsense

3/10


0a8aaf No.36173

>>36160

Yeah. I should just accept I'm bad at greentext stories.


acc0bc No.36179

>>33528

it's pretty bad


075359 No.36193

>>36147

You monster.




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796842 No.35545[Reply]

I would like to discuss the possibility of Atlantis having existed as an actual, historic city that has not been founded by Ayyliens, ancient Ayyliens, time travelers or demon nazi communists, but rather as a regular (presumably Mediterranean) city that was lost during a natural disaster or became forgotten in its original form for other reasons, only to be romanticized into the Utopia we nowadays connect with the name.

I already now a handful of the more realistic theories, with my favorite one being the idea that Atlantis was originally was a Minoan settlement on the South Aegean Santorini isle that went bottoms-up during the Minoan Eruption around 1600 BC, but I'd like to hear what the /his/torians take on the issue is.

On the other hand, explanations of Atlantis as a purely mythological place linked to the common flood myth are also welcome - perhaps Atlantis was the equivalent of the Christian Garden Eden or Ovid's version of Arcadia - a paradisaical idyll that or a metaphor for a lost "Golden Age" when gods and legendary heroes still walked the earth.

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ab56e7 No.35961

>>35916

and the british claimed their origin from israelites for a while

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism


54ca08 No.36038

>>35922

The idea with the flood myth imho isn't far-fetched, doubly so when so many cultures in the Medittereanean and the Middle East have relatively similar stories regarding it.

To this end, I could imagine that "Atlantis" is a highly idealized idea of life and the world before the thawing glaciers and pole caps flooded several large areas around the Earth.


434bdb No.36158

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Bimini Straits

Look it up

BTW if it was not an allegory Plato was supposedly told about that by "Egyptian Priest". Mind you they found one mummy with material which could come only from Americas at time, with coca and I think tobacco?

Also look up: Comalcalco stones and Phoenicians, if it's right we have first written instantion of Arabic whatsoever pre-Koranic times

>>35608

People thought same about Troy

>>35615

Garden of Eden was believed to be around Mesopotamia, no? And the place Ark landed on - As Mount Ararat

Idk, look up Jewish interpretation


434bdb No.36159

>>35826

That's Mu, people confuse with Lemuria "Eastern Atlantis"

Likewise near Cuba coasts you can find something

Lemuria itself was inventes as an evolutionist theory continent linking Lemures appearing in Africa and Indian sub-continent, that is before we knew of tectonic places


0337a4 No.36192

Atlantis was a made up city.

The only Greek colony west of was Tartessos.

Atlantis was a synonym for tyranny and opression while Athens was a symbol of freedom and democracy.

Like all Greek stories, take it with a grain of salt.




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cc55f4 No.36184[Reply]

how do they expect me to read the diacriticals in this tiny babby font?

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133

99d849 No.36190

What's the matter gramps, can't read the spiritus asper?




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4d8ed5 No.36146[Reply]

Amateur military /his/torian here (Hopefully one day professional military /his/torian). I recently did some casual digging into the Migration era and the subsequent Viking era. Normally I'm very much into Antiquity, the Medieval period, and the Renaissance and Early Modern. I've never paid much attention to this one, but now I'm distinctly interested.

What reading would you recommend to educate myself on the fundamentals of this period?

c13d0c No.36151

>>36146

Okay, I'm preparing for a shit storm but I you're looking for something that is entertaining while also giving some sort of historical context, Bernard Cornwell's novels are amazing.


4d8ed5 No.36153

>>36151

The Saxon Stories, right? I can work with that, but I was also hoping for just straight up informative books as well. Either way, thanks for pointing me in literally any kind of helpful direction, anon.


91f519 No.36182

>>36153

>but I was also hoping for just straight up informative books as well

Dr Barbara Yorke-Kings and Kingdoms of Early Anglo-Saxon England

Lapidge, John Blair, Simon Keynes, Donald Scragg-The Wiley Blackwell Encyclopedia of Anglo-Saxon England

EsmondebCleary-The Ending of Roman Britain

Stuart Laycock-Britannia_ The Failed State_ Ethnic Conflict and the End of Roman Britain

Stuart Laycock-Warlords_ The Struggle for Power in Post-Roman Britain

You can get them all from lib.gen.rus.ec/

Also get the Osprey books if you like pretty pictures and /his/ memes




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b17337 No.34130[Reply]

I don't know if alternate history speculation is allowed on this board, but I wanted to ask a question : what would have happened if England never colonized India? I know India was not a unified nation at the time, but could the empires of India at the time fought back the british? what would happen in India's history from there on to today?

Pic related. flag of the Kingdom of Travancore

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4836d0 No.36156

>>36136

Pakistan is a British colonial construct, just like India


d840cd No.36161

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>>36156

>Pakistan

Mughals

>India

Mauryans, Hindi state

India is as artificial as say, Iran - A Farsi state

t. knower from Azad Hind


2014cf No.36163

>>36161

JUST

FUCK

MY

PRUSSIA

UP


61b777 No.36171

>>36161

I actually tried to make that picture, but I have shitty experience with Photoshop so I decided to scrap it

>>34130

It Would be cool to wonder what happens to the Sikh empire and what a long-standing secular state would mean for the world


c56644 No.36174

>>36156

>>36161

pakistan is a british colonial construct

but india isn't because it's an empire-tier title




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6a815a No.30999[Reply]

I'm curious, how did ancient warrior cope with war? After the conflict was over, how did they get back into the groove of daily life? Was there an equivalent to PTSD?

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2dce62 No.36121

>>31003

PTSD isn't about how gruesome the actual combat is. It has a lot more to do with whether the combatant actually feels responsible for killing the enemy. Read "On Killing" for more on this.

Consider then, the typical phalanx, where only the frontline is actually killing, with the bulk of the formation basically serving as a structural reinforcement…90% of your unit isn't actually responsible for killing, and as such, no one is getting PTSD save for those 10 guys up front, all of whom are up there because they fucking enjoy that shit.


d3d07c No.36128

>>36121

How about considering something which isn't the phalanx; it's very easy to say what you're saying when you look at no other type of military fighting. What about the Saxons against the Normans? The Crusaders against the Fatimids?


c3a51c No.36129

You should check out the book Warrior Ethos by Steven Pressfield; it's very related to this topic.

>>31011

You don't have to be in combat to get PTSD. you just need to go through some form of traumatic stress. Though I could see how people who received blast-force tbi would be more likely to get PTSD than those who suffered blunt-force tbi.

>Which means ancient warriors wouldn't get anywhere near the modern PTSD levels, as their would be purely psychological.

as opposed to the modern PTSD which is physiological(tbi) and psychological?


0f57e4 No.36166

>>33498

Well, that has little to do with what we actually know. Pikemen were specifically trained to fight other pike squares, "wrestling" included.

Pike SQUARES are not just lines of pikemen.


7599b0 No.36170

>>33495

I doubt your ancestors hated their existence. What they lived through may seem harsh by toady's standards, but for them it was normal, and they probably weren't all that bothered by it. I'm sure they still found happiness in their lives, even if it was only because they didn't know how good life can be.

This may not be the best example, but I know quite a few people from war-torn countries, with very little access to medical treatment, and from what they've told me, people there view life pretty much the same way we do. They just accept the things they can't change, no matter how awful they are, and move on. I guess when hardships are common to you, they don't seem as severe as they would to someone who rarely experiences them.




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7bf57b No.35649[Reply]

What do you think the main causes of the war was?

What were the ramifications of the war?

Which nation do you think gained the most from the it, and which do you think lost the most?

What is your favorite battle?

Who is your favorite commander?

What is your favorite weapon and/or vehicle of the war?

What's the craziest story you have about it?

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d2efd2 No.35839

Some bloke named Archie Duke shot an ostrich 'cause he was hungry.


7bf57b No.36138

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>>35681

>the youtube channel the Great War

They're pretty good, but take what they say with a grain of salt. I'm not saying that you should disregard everything they say because they're partnered with Extra Credits, but it's enough to make them a tad suspicious.


6232d1 No.36149

>>36138

I thought Great War was very immature, honestly, I don't understand why people rated the channel in this board


20031d No.36165

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>36138

May I also recommend C&Rsenal if you want to learn about WWI firearms.


eb518c No.36169

>>36138

That just means they recommend each other videos at times, i think it was only once, that's all.




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