Catalog (/his/)

META THREAD #2 - The old one is too long and broken by now

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1a. Avoid making threads expecting people to just do your homework for you. Show some work yourself in starting the discussion instead of just "guys what was the main reason for the fall of Sebastianism in the 19th century"

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QTDDTOT: Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread

want to ask a question but too scared of being bullied? ask it here!

WE

Hi /his, I come from /pol/, and sometimes I think they get a bit LARPy on there with their own version of the "WE WUZ KANGZ" shit. For example they claim that the Sumerians and the Egyptian nobility were of European stock - at first I laughed it off but then they posted some interesting things that at least warrant investigation. So what are your thoughts on this stuff? Is there any merit to any of it?

Migration Era/Viking Era England and the Anglo-Saxons

Amateur military /his/torian here (Hopefully one day professional military /his/torian). I recently did some casual digging into the Migration era and the subsequent Viking era. Normally I'm very much into Antiquity, the Medieval period, and the Renaissance and Early Modern. I've never paid much attention to this one, but now I'm distinctly interested.

What reading would you recommend to educate myself on the fundamentals of this period?

Were the Anglo-Saxons right to be conquered?

Was it a good thing that the Normans conquered England or did this hinder the development of England? I can imagine it being the latter but I can not provide much evidence as to why.

Were Germanic languages very similar to each other? Or very different?

Or were they very similar then individually changed over time after they settled?

African Writing

Has there ever been a non-Arab African civilization with writing on par with Phoenician or ancient Chinese writing?

The Nigerians had something close, but it seems to be closer to something like the runic alphabet than an actual system of writing.

>Europeans never practiced concubinage

>Europeans never practiced sex slavery

>Europeans never practiced female genital mutilation

>Europeans never made women cover up

>Europeans never stoned women to death for adultery

While women in Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries today are having their clits removed at birth, getting acid thrown in their faces and are forced to wear giant sheets over their bodies, European women hundreds of years ago were leading armies into battle.

So I ask you /his. Why can't non Europeans into treating the torch bearers of their respective races with basic respect and dignity?

Would the ME been better off if the Ottoman Empire didnt dissolve after WW1?

Historical Stories thread

Atlantis as a historic city

I would like to discuss the possibility of Atlantis having existed as an actual, historic city that has not been founded by Ayyliens, ancient Ayyliens, time travelers or demon nazi communists, but rather as a regular (presumably Mediterranean) city that was lost during a natural disaster or became forgotten in its original form for other reasons, only to be romanticized into the Utopia we nowadays connect with the name.

I already now a handful of the more realistic theories, with my favorite one being the idea that Atlantis was originally was a Minoan settlement on the South Aegean Santorini isle that went bottoms-up during the Minoan Eruption around 1600 BC, but I'd like to hear what the /his/torians take on the issue is.

On the other hand, explanations of Atlantis as a purely mythological place linked to the common flood myth are also welcome - perhaps Atlantis was the equivalent of the Christian Garden Eden or Ovid's version of Arcadia - a paradisaical idyll that or a metaphor for a lost "Golden Age" when gods and legendary heroes still walked the earth.

how do they expect me to read the diacriticals in this tiny babby font?

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0133

No British Rule in India

I don't know if alternate history speculation is allowed on this board, but I wanted to ask a question : what would have happened if England never colonized India? I know India was not a unified nation at the time, but could the empires of India at the time fought back the british? what would happen in India's history from there on to today?

Pic related. flag of the Kingdom of Travancore

Killing and The Warrior

I'm curious, how did ancient warrior cope with war? After the conflict was over, how did they get back into the groove of daily life? Was there an equivalent to PTSD?

World War I thread

What do you think the main causes of the war was?

What were the ramifications of the war?

Which nation do you think gained the most from the it, and which do you think lost the most?

What is your favorite battle?

Who is your favorite commander?

What is your favorite weapon and/or vehicle of the war?

What's the craziest story you have about it?

Zoroastrianism

What's /his/ opinion about zoroastrianism?, this religion seemed to be to resamble more the modern beliefs of today than the other religions of it's time (you could say it was more "advanced")

The Voynich Manuscript

I know this only may be tangially related to /his/, but I was wondering what the general conensus here about the Voynich manuscript is.

What is an elaborate hoax, or a fake document to be sold as a curiosity for cash? Was it just supposed to be some form of art like the Codex Seraphinianus? Or do you think that the author was some late medieval crackhead or alchemist who actually wrote down various forms of knowledge in a secret language for whatever reason?

History Memes

History memes.

Lets get a collection of history memes together.

Most of what I have is German related. Feel free to post what you have.

Gratsi

what if Babarism is the primal,pure,uncontaminated state of human nature and Civilization itself is but a snobbish ruse?

Latin

Is Latin easy to learn? My first language is Korean btw

I have a friend who says the glaciar age produced the peak humans.

he says the cold,the need for hunting meat worked as extreme natural selection,therefore only strong,smart,good hunters with a drive to survive survived and left children, thus hose humans born from extreme conditions were the best possible ones.

Is that theory accurate?

/Rus/

This thread is dedicated to all things Rus.

Purpose of the Roman ballista

So, from my understanding, the Roman ballista was different from earlier Greek models in that it was used against enemy soldiers rather than fortifications (i.e., used bolts instead of rocks of firebombs, and also was much smaller to accommodate its new rule as field artillery rather than a siege weapon.

Yet this makes me wonder - wouldn't such a heavy weapon be overkill against individual soldiers? I'm by no means an expert in antique artillery weapons, but even if you assume that ballista were mainly used from fixed hardpoints (i.e. from watchtowers, siege towers, or ships), I'd assume they would suffer from an agonizingly slow rate of fire that would make them impractical to use against larger enemy formations. Wouldn't it make more sense to rely on more traditional ranged weapons like pilums or the bows of auxilliary troops?

The Czech Legion: Russian Civil War Thread.

The Czech Legion was a 60 000 strong armed forces composed predominantly of volunteer Czechs, and a small number of Slovaks, fighting together with the Entente powers during World War I. They fought under, and were created by, the Russian state, hoping that after the war they would be awarded with statehood.

In Russia, they took part in several battles of the war, including the Zborov and Bakhmach against the Central Powers. At Zborov, 3 500 of the Czech Legion troops stormed the Austrian trenches; a rare victory in the Kerensky Summer Offensive.

After the Bolshevik Revolution they found themselves stranded in Ukraine but intended to still fight in the war, this time at the Western Front. On the third of March 1918, the Legion ordered a fighting retreat, moving away from advancing German forces ordered to kill any Czech or Slovak on sight as they were deemed traitors, and pushing deeper into Russia, fighting revolutionary forces as they went. They managed to get to the Trans-Siberian railway and commandeered dozens of carriages in order to make their way to the Pacific.

The Bolsheviks were ordered by the German state to disarm them and, when they attempted to, fierce fighting broke out sparking an all-out war against between the isolated Czech Legion and the Bolshevik forces. The Czech Legion then moved East, capturing a number of cities as they went in order to secure the line for stranded Czechs and Slovaks in Russia. Soon their cause became internationally renowned and a army of seventy-thousand Allied soldiers landed in Siberia awaiting the arrival of the Legion.

Soon the carriages were moving fortresses; they were reinforced with iron, mounted with machine guns and small pieces of artillery. Carriages were made into barracks, store-rooms, armouries, bakeries, hospitals and even a carriage was converted into a printing-press for the Czech soldiers.

They soon made common cause with the White Armies, allying with them on several occasions when fighting key battles and liberating Prisoners of War camps. It is believed that, when they were travelling to Yekaterinburg, the Bolsheviks shot the Romanovs as they knew that the Czech Legion had the ability to reinstate the Tsar into power. The Czech Legion still passed through and, as they knew the Romanovs were dead, they robbed billions of modern day pounds worth of jewels and gold; enough to fill at least eight carriages.

By April 1918, Czech forces began to trickle into Siberia from the west on armoured carriages before being transported home and back to the Western Front. By late 1918 the First World War was over, which led to Czechs and Slovaks back home creating their own state out of the German and Austrian Empires which they labelled "The Duel Republic of Czechoslovakia. This was not good news for the Czech Legion, however, who were ordered to stay and fight with the Allied forces which meant that they could no longer slowly evacuate from Russia.

Their campaign lasted for over a year, helping the Whites and Allies fight against the Red Army and other Revolutionary Forces. By this time the Czech Legion was almost entirely centralised in the port-city of Vladivostok. However, by 1920 the Whites were almost completely crushed and the Allies were beginning to retreat which meant that the Czech Legion, if they did not act quickly, had the prospect of becoming stranded as carriages full of their men were still trying to move East.

Knowing that a large Bolshevik force was on the way and they had little time to retreat, the Czech Legion acted quickly and struck a deal with the Bolsheviks: the Tsar's gold for their safe passage home. The deal was struck and the Czech Legion evacuated the city, arresting any White leaders, that they had fought with for years, in the city and handing them to the Bolsheviks as a sign of good will.

The Czech Legion began their evacuation in March 1920 and had finally evacuated all of their forces by September that same year. The total number of people evacuated with the Czech Legion was around 60 000, including soldiers wives, Prisoners of War and refugees. Many of the soldiers that were evacuated formed the core of the new Czechoslovak Army. It is unknown how many soldiers of the Czech Legion died in the war, but it is estimated as being around 4 000, however sources also estimate a much higher casualty list. An unknown number went missing or deserted the Legion, either to make the journey home by moving west instead of east, or to join the Czechoslovak Communists.

Requesting more stories from the Russian Civil War, particularly stories about the Greens.

Who here has actually read Mein Kampf?

I have, and it is a brilliant piece of work by a brilliant critical thinker. The people who charge it as being the "rantings of a madman" seem to me to be people who haven't read it, and tend to be the same crowd who latch onto catchy mementos like how the Holy Roman Empire wasn't holy Roman or an empire or how stab in the back is a "myth."

pseudo-historical vidya knights & keeps

Hello, this is nodev, I'm gathering material for a concept of a slow paced rts/management game with KoDP-type diplomacy and interpersonal relations event system set in Not-Feudal Europe. I'm making this a separate thread from QTDDTT, because I expect to eventually flood the board with dozens of small questions, which will benefit from the explicit context of the project itself.

Right now the draft of it is as fallows: you play as a freshly appointed margrave (and his consequent bloodline) landing on a newly (re?)claimed realm geographically apart from the core territories of the kingdom. You are one of many as this is a large, crawling "Manifest Destiny" -esque process. The place is wild and uninhabited by any civilized people. Instead you find a handful of tribal societies of nonhumans vaguely based on not-European folklore (I'm sorry, but fantasy is too fun to not include any) and a lot wider variety of abominations with no social order whatsoever. Over the course of the early game you strike a deal with the local territorial tribe and make a purchase of a small fraction of their bountiful land (per royal decree all land you set your eyes on is your's, but the "savages" don't need to know that), you recruit some other beings (which don't have much use for territories or even civilization for that matter, since by most standards they can be considered superhuman) as muscle in return for some fancy glass beads and you pilgrim yourself from there on.

You start on a shore, right where you landed and proceed to found the initial settlement that'll serve you as the main life line with home, from which a semi-constant torrent of minor nobility's thrid-sons, outlaws, slumrats and escaped serfs will provide you with an influx of subjects. Funds and other aid will likely be sent as well. The social order you promote is good old feudalism with some alodial activity and roaming woodsmen here and there. Past the initial tent camp phase the starting settlement will have to be built in a defensive fashion. Since right now I envision the civilizational level as early-to-mid Medieval I'm thinking of a gord/motte and bailey castle town, that may or may not develop into a partially autonomous city n generations down the line. At the heart of it naturally you'll erect your own place of residence.

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First couple questions:

1. 3D assets aren't very flexible, which demands some planning before jumping headlong into production. Having that in mind I ask for advice on the feudal lord's capital residence system (I suspect it'll have to be modular both inside and out). I'm yet to read through any serious research on the subject, but the evolving nature of a feudal abode points me to the tower house as the root of it. However I have trouble wrapping my head around the basic concept.

Did tower houses really posses great halls? If they did that great open space must've decreased the defensive value of at least one tier. And when the building expanded the first thing that was built was a great(er) hall, correct? The tower remained the last bastion of defense, but was it modified now that it's civilian purposes were reduced? In early castles, did towers remain the main living quarters of the nobility? What character did the squarish mass of the connective structure between them take on, besides corridors containing the Great Hall? Would you say manor-form residences (not encapsulated in castle fortifications), even sturdy ones have any place in the vicinity of any real danger?

2. Bastle houses and remote village defensibility - in actual history were there many recorded examples of mostly unguarded settlements near potential dangers? It seems the populace was capable of defending themselves from raids, when security deteriorated for prolonged periods of time, but how did they settle in such conditions? Did they settle at all? Or was everything hinging on direct feudal protection and without it the social dynamic crumbled?

I lack a clear image of a pattern by which a distant (in the sense of in-game dimensions on the map) land granted to peasants is settled besides under a vassal with his own little tower and pack of roughneck henchmen. I could sort of see peasants coming in and organizing in dinky gords, ringforts or large bastlehouses from the get-go, but I'd be pulling that straight out of my ass. I'd rather model it on real life, since that generally turns out more interesting than conjecture.

History of /his/

Was thinking of having this thread for a little while now, thought it'd be funny if we made a timeline of /his/ from when it all started. I've been on /his/ for awhile now but I wasn't here for the first months of Roman-circlejerk and the one Mongol-shitposter.

Family History

How far back do you know your own bloodline?

The past 50 years?

The past 100 years?

And I don't mean "what race are you?" I mean your exact family history, where exactly you came from specifically, and how far back you can trace your lineage

Without revealing my surname for privacy reasons, my direct lineage can be traced all the way back to a single Anglo-Saxxon tribe that settled near a fallen Roman town in what is now the UK about 1500 years ago. My surname ultimately comes from an Anglo-Saxxon word that was given as a title to a tribal leader. I got the opportunity to speak to a professional Genealogist that has researched extensively with my family surname in particular

How much do you know your family /his/?

Central Asia General

Tell me about Central Asia, /his/.

The region is seldom discussed. Popular media fixates on a few settings, namely that of Medieval Europe, Feudal Japan, Imperial China, the Islamic world, the Ancient Near East/Egypt, and the Classical Mediterranean. But there's so little media about times and places like Medieval Georgia, the Grecobactrian Kingdom, or Turkic nomads.

>What are some good books or documentaries about this region?

>What did it look like? Did Bactrian cities look Greek or Eastern?

>Did Silk Road Merchants travel all the way from China to Persia, or did the goods simply keep changing hands?

>What religions did steppe peoples follow prior to Islam?

It's like an entire corner of the globe is forgotten. Even Africa gets its share of attention from Afrocentrists and SJWs, but Central Asia seems totally of the radar

Semi-related, but I'm really hoping Bannerlord fleshes out the Khergit world

African/Non-Eurasian civilization discussion thread

A bit /pol/y /his/ has been for a while so given the topic most /pol/acks will ignore this thread so lets talk about African civilizations, I'm really interested in the Great Zimbabwe ruins and I'm wondering if anyone knows any stone built structures north of mexico? Not giant blocks but similar to the small bricks in Great Zimbabwe? I remember hearing about a place in Maine called the American Stonehenge and I'm currently looking into it.

Frederick II Hohenstaufen

How about a thread about this guy.

Here's what I've heard:

Holy Roman Emperor. Jewish mother. Feud with the pope. Sought to 'build an empire over the mind of men'. Created a modern state of educated officials. Experimented on humans, such as raising children in silence to see if language was innate. Proud Sicilian. Outlawed intermarriage of people from outside Sicily, with the reason that it would dilute the race. Brought a lot of Jews over to Sicily from Jerusalem to translate texts. Had a bodyguard of Saracens.

I don't have my book mentioning his details on hand right now, but even that doesn't provide sources of any of that. The only treatment I've found on him so far is in German.

Anyone know much about him? Also if anyone could provide a brief summary of Sicilian history it would be appreciated.

Nostratic

What's /his/s consensus on Nostratic? Could it have been real, or is digging that far back into our linguistic past just a waste of time?

Thrace

Sup /his?

It's my first time on this board. I'm a lone researcher of everything, and I've stumbled upon something that captivated my interest.

I've started researching on Europeans before the Aryan spreading (~5000 BCE), mainly trough linguistic studies and:

>Uralic, Basque and Etruscan languages are not Aryan languages, and they belong to non-Aryan Old Europeans.

>The Oldest Aryan language that can be recorded is Vedic Sanskrit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedic_Sanskrit

Now, my research led me to the fact that the Thracians were Aryans that didn't migrate to much, and settled a little Westward from their starting point, mainly in today's Romania.

Among the Thracians were the Dacians and Getae (Getae were the ancestor of the Goths, today's Nordic people)

The Getae followed the Danube upper course and spread from the East to the West, settling in Northern Italy, Germany, Poland and Scandinavia. With them, came the tradition of Thunder Gods and etc.

The Dacians crossed over the Balkans, crossed the Adriatic, and settled in the Italic Peninsula.

So, what's that all about? Well, there is this hypothesis that:

Romanian is actually the Oldest Aryan language alive in Europe

Yes, this seems a little too much, but the arguments for that are pretty interesting, like Latin came from Old Romanian; Romanian retains elements/root words of Latin, Slavic, Greek, Germanic and Sanskrit languages, etc.

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=34031.0

This Forum page has a compilation of news about it - read it first, it's fast.

Dacians - Unsettling truths - Full movie 2012 [ENG sub]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PBdNU7xAcM

Boring Documentary, lots of informations on that.

The Thracians, a Hidden History - HD 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjwMKqkeAM

Better than the last one, contains more broad information.

Well, this led me to find that Lithuanian has a lot of this characteristics as well, but I didn't dwell further on that.

So, /his, what's your rant on that? It makes sense? Do you guys have any more information on that? Do you have contradicting information? Any books?

Thanks!

Can someone try to explain to me the concept of Indo-Europeans and where the origins of Europeans and many ME groups come from?

I've read studies that say that there are definite and high frequences of shared genes (and obviously, linguistic similarities) from parts of India stretching through some ME and Central Asian countries all the way into Europe.

However, who were the people in Europe before the Indo-Europeans? How did they affect who Europeans are today? Why do some Semetic groups (not talking about mixed groups like many Jews or whatever) like Berbers and some Arab groups look whiter than even some Indo European groups?

Help me wrap my head around this! Thanks!

very unrelated link/vid

Is anthropology allowed

History obviously dates 5,500 bce to now.

Anthropology is a broad field, and generally is used as a study of humans, and it's most common application is the study of pre-history humans.

For instance, did you know that the bow and arrow first appeared in the Mesolithic age or upper paleolithic age, which means that it arrived 25,000 to 5,000 years ago?

A holmegarde bow was discovered and confirmed to have been used in denmark 9,000 years ago.

If you tie this into the fact that our ape ancestors even before homo erectus, that although can't learn things dynamically, are capable of advanced politics, such as duels, battles, lynching and other types of gang warfare.

The Korean War/Forgotten Wars

The Korean War is a war that you never see anybody talk about and is often overshadowed by the war the US got into next, Vietnam. Why is that? My guess would be that nobody technically win or lost; NK tried invading SK and got pushed back, UN forces tried invading NK and got pushed back, and then finally the Chinese and NK tried invading SK again but got pushed back a second time, along with the fact that not much military equipment was "new"; it was mostly just WW2-era weapons (which for the most part was the last time they saw use, at least for US and UN forces.)

Also, discuss other "forgotten wars" that most people have no idea about (such as the Russo-Japan war).

Are there any recorded descriptions of actual knighting ceremonies went (like what the king and knight actually says and does, who attends ect.) prior to the 1700s?

Pic unrelated.

Hey guys

I was wondering if anyone here would be willing to help me

As a personal hobby, I like writing about my own fictional utopia. It mostly embodies my ideals, but not completely. For a long time, I've wanted to write about the country's history. The only idea I have now for its history is that the revolution happens and that starts the history as I want to write it. The theme is that a republic/democracy is overthrown in favor of a monarchy. I want to write about history from there, so the latter half of the 1700s and both halves of the 1800s. I feel like my knowledge of history during those eras is impoverished. I was wondering if anyone here would be willing to help me.

I think it would be nice if anyone could tell me about the napoleonic wars and where my nation might side.

C and the Basis of Civilization: An Introduction to Biohistory #1

what does /his/ think of biohistory?

muh huratige thread?-muh huratige thread.

Inb4 someone asks for pics of granny

Note sharing/critiquing thread

I considered posting this in the essay thread, but i figured this was different enough to warrant its own thread. the difference being primarily that essays are written for an audience, and notes are for your own benefit. that and thought thought of writing an essay does not sound fun as it brings to mind long nights having to bullshit up a paper to meet a bullshit page/word minimum.

allow me to elaborate on the aim of this thread; i want you to watch your favorite documentaries, read your favorite historical books, just do what you normally do in your search for historical knowledge, but write down the bits that seem important to you. dont worry about grammar or spelling, just write down what you think is important. now how this thread comes into it is that, first off pretty it up a little bit maybe so that its intelligible to others, then post those notes here for what you could call a peer review and peer elucidation; let others read what you've got and see if it is indeed true, and maybe others can glean some knowledge out of it themselves.

to get you in the mood for writing notes, listen to this; 1/3 of all the unbiased primary sources that we have on stoicism are nothing more than the notes a student took of conversations with his teacher. Were it not for arran taking these notes, we would be that much more ignorant of an entire philosophical school of thought that is as old as Platonic thought itself, and was influential in the proliferation of Christianity throughout rome. if you wanted to be cheeky about it, you could even bump that up to 2/3 as one of the other two sources is a man writing notes on how to live his life.

since ive already got some relevant notes, ill be posting them shortly.

tfw you accidentally loaded a new page before posting and lost the original post that was absolutely better than this one.

/his/ Movie Night: Official Thread

We used the old thread but it got unorganized and screwy and someone suggested a new thread be made

And before you fucks complain about deleting another thread I'll remind you it was going to die anyways so another thread on here does nothing

Now down to business, I'm not the Organizing guy usually but I'm doing this shit anyways. The Main event we watch at 6:00 PM EST is a Part of the 1987 miniseries Captain James Cook which lasts around an hour and thirty minutes, and after that we have the Faggot posting shitposting videos but if people can wade through that shit we have the Post Movie show: 2010 War of the Three Kingdoms.

We are currently on episode 1 of the CJC miniseries and episode 4 of WOTTK, many people could not catch it all, but both of which are on youtube so if there are episodes you missed you can watch and if your too much of a faggot to do this you can read this summary:

I only have the summary for the War of the three kingdoms because I missed much of the CJC miniseries but here it goes

Episode 1 Dong Zhou is in control and using the 9 year old emperor as a tool and wields the power of emperor even though he is the Chancellor, the protagonist of this series Cao Cao is seen being a lackey of Dong Zhou and shows up uninvited to Minister Wang's 60th Birthday Party, though people thinking he is there to eavesdrop for the Dong, he says out loud that he has grown close to the villain so he can kill him, everyone thinks he is lying so Wang has guards throw him out, he begins to leave when a servant tells him that Wang used that as a ruse in order to keep any eyes and ears away and wishes to speak with Cao Cao in Private in the study, Cao Cao tells him it would be hard and he would need a good knife to pierce The Dongs Concealed Armour, which one minister failed to prepare and his clan was exterminated; Wang gives him the 9 star dagger, an ancient legendary weapon which could slice through anything,(Probably because it was made from Japanese Iron ) Cao Cao goes to Dong Zhous residence and talks to him and meets with Lu Bu, when Dong Zhou falls asleep after talking with Cao Cao, he goes to him while he's asleep but just as he's about to strike dong Zhou wakes up and Cao Cao stealthily acts like he was going to wake up The Dong and presents the 9 star dagger as a gift and shows it's Superior Nipponese cutting ability, the dong accepts but then leaves in a hurry Dong Zhou realizes how suspicious all this was and orders Lu Bu to arrest him, Cao Cao manages to elude them and escapes into the Wilderness only to be caught by Chengpu, a country Majistrate I'll make a summary on episode 2 and 3 and 4 later.

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Important Reforms in Christianity

At what points in history did Christianity go through periods of reform and what prompted these reforms?

When was the turning point where people began to believe the bible to be metaphors rather than literal?

Did wars, such as the Thirty Years War and the Crusades, help influence these changes?

Has anybody got any good books regarding this subject?

Essay Help Thread.

Because we all need help sometimes. Just ask questions about essays, post essays which you have already submitted and just generally help out the studying anon.

>mfw people act like the fall of Rome was a bad thing

BLUNDERS

In this thread I will be transcribing incidents as described in the "blunder" series of books by G. Regan, a collection of humorous military incidents from throughout history.

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To start off, the beginnings of the tale of the Russian Baltic Fleet:

The Voyage of the Damned (1905)

The 18,000-mile voyage of the Russian Baltic Fleet to face the Japanese at Tsushima in 1905 is one of the epics of naval warfare. However, for much of the journey it was only the strength and determination of its commander, Admiral Rozhestvensky, that prevented it from dissolving into farce. It was as if Rozhestvensky was cast as the Flying Dutchman in Wagners opera, condemned to sail the oceans of the world, while the other parts were played by the Marx brothers. There was even a comic subplot provided by the fleet repair ship, Kamchatka, which could be relied upon for a laugh even at the most serious moments.

The Russo-Japanese War had broken out when, without any formal declaration of war, Japan made a pre-emptive strike against the Russian Far East Fleet. On the night of 8 February 1904, the Japanese torpedoed two battleships and a cruiser at Port Arthur. From that moment onwards Japan kept a tight grip on the seas which the Russians were never able to break. When they did try to break out of port in August, they suffered a resounding defeat at the battle of the Yellow Sea. Rather than convincing the Russian government that the war was lost, this setback only seemed to make the more determined, and they reached the extraordinary decision that their Baltic Fleet - to be renamed the Second Pacific Squadron - should sail most of the way round the world to meet an enemy who had already defeated a naval squadron stronger than itself. To make matters worse, between the Gulf of Finland and Port Arthur there were no Russian bases, and the ports of neutral nations and even those of Russia's ally, France, would be closed to them. TO supply the immense amounts of coal needed by the fleet - half a million tons - Admiral Rozhestvensky had to rely on prearranged meetings at sea with 60 colliers of the German Hamburg-Amerika line, and the length of the journey would mean that his 40 warships would need to recoal on as many as 30 occasions, each time in the open sea, subject to wild weather and heavy waves. Yet, making light of every obstacle, the Russian government sent Rozhestvensky forth on his odyssey.

For all the impressive appearance of Rozhestvensky's quartet of battleships - Kniaz Suvoroff, Borodino, Alexander III and Oryol - the strength of the Russian fleet was more apparent than real. Like many battleships built at this time they were top heavy - 1,500 tons above specification - the result of their long gestation period during which every new gadget and device was added to their superstructure regardless of its effect on stability. One of the results was that in heavy seas the secondary armament could not be used, another that the main armour belt was actually below the water line and thus no defence against enemy shells. The Oryol had actually sunk at anchor in Kronstadt Harbour a year before because of a mechanical fault, and had to be refloated. So top heavy, indeed, were this shps that the admiral was warned not even to raise flag signals - and definitely not celebratory bunting. Not that there would be much to celebrate.

Cuneiform

I wish I had a fraction of the erudite drive of this man. He spent a 1000 hours over several months learning cuneiform to write a message to his girlfriend, even shutting himself in his apartment and avoiding her for weeks so he would have more time to do it. Then he spent another 1000 hours trying to decode an untranslated puzzling tablet that has a length of two short pages, even though hardly anyone cares what it says. The characters are way more complicated than Chinese too, and it is much harder to write in rapidly drying clay.

𒊍 Bear Chinese = 熊

𒊊 ‎ Lion Chinese = 獅

𒊌 ‎ Lion (alternate) Chinese = 獅

I'm such a failure I can't even read Sumerian Shakespeare, and he says these two pages are the best story in the world. I put my hours into league of legends instead of spending them well: learning dead languages.

http://sumerianshakespeare.com/35901.html

so when did islam stop considering themselves the heirs of greek intellectualisim, and why? or to put it another way, when did they stop studying or advancing philosophically/sceietifically, and why?

im assuming the crusades had something to do with it, but im not very well versed in this area of history.

Genocide against Native Americans

Do you think this was a thing the American Government tried to do or was it accidental. Regardless of what you think of Native American Tribes a shitload did wind up getting killed off by government goons. Yes I am aware that the majority was due to disease spread by immune carriers at the time but I am asking if it was an intentional goal to wipe out Native Americans after said pandemic.

Personally I would say yes but after awhile the government didn't think it was worth the effort which created the residential school system which I think caused way more damage than the military actions ever did.

ITT we act like we live in middle ages

>tfw peasant

>tfw my tavern is full of wannabe nobles

>tfw the plague is unbearable

don't take be a retard and don't be overserious ITT

So, after /tg/ recently had a rather lengthy (and lively) discussion about the pros and cons of slings and why they eventually fell into disuse, why not warm up the topic again on /his/ so we can all be angry at each others opinion?

IIRC the main cluster of the argument was that slings should logically still exist as side-arms even if the user has a different primary weapon because they are so small, light-weight, and have more-or-less infinite ammo in that you can simply gather larger pebbles from the ground and launch them with a sling.

Against this, it was argued that slings require significantly more training than other ranged weapons to be used effectively; that even a well-trained slinger could not shoot with the same precision than an archer, that slings lack penetrative power against anything but light armor, and finally, that slingers could not fire barrages from behind infantry lines and thus had to expose themselves as skirmishers.

TL/DR: Why did slings (not including staff slings) eventually disappear from post-antiquity European and Asian battleground?

Memes aside, is Finland white? Are there any links of historical central Asian migration to the area? How much contact did the population of Finland have with Mongols during their age of conquest?

Have you seen this silly and incredibly popular "history of Japan"? Do you think its good that a video like this exists, or does it make you sick?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o

How do you fight against a giant pointy wall of death when you aren't in one? Obviously you flank it, but what about the poor chaps who aren't doing the flanking but instead play the role of holding the enemy so they can be flanked? You can't really get in can you, and who would even be willing to try?

ITT we post about people who really didn't like Spain. Spain's had some pretty wild and wacky foes, and I'll kick it off with this colossal faggot. I know a couple spics and they can get off his dick, but let's be real for a minute,

>aristocratic rich family

>parents die

>gets bullied by everyone

>goes to spain

>gets bullied

>comes home, leads glorious spic revolution

>somehow liberate venezuela from spaniards with an army of angry somalians and haitians

>slowly oust the spaniards by losing most of the battles he fought

>establish glorious gran columbia

>tries to appease the sjw

>gets bullied

>asks people to stop bullying him and his gran columbia

>abdicates, it falls apart, dies

>the napoleon of south america

inb4 op is butthurt spaniard, not even spanish

On the original intentions of the Founding fathers

was the original intention of the founding fathers to have the United States be something similar to the Hellenic League, where the states had a much larger say in their own affairs, so long as they abided by the constitution and the bill of rights, and the federal governemnt was only there for defense purposes?

assuming this is correct, would it be incorrect to say that this changed with he civil war?

The Roman Kings

Are they any sources more accurate than Livy about the Roman Kings? Even anthropological sources would do.

I'm vaguely aware that some of the kings were of Etruscan origin

>United States of America

>Founded on the basis that monarchy is bad

>Country literally named after a Hungarian prince

America > Amerigo Vespucci > St. Americus > Imre

This country's name is basically "the United States of This Medieval Prince"

Historical reading

What historical reading are you doing right now, /his/?

Side note, anyone know of anyone like Beevor for WW1?

What went wrong?

Indochina thread. From the Khmer Empire to Modern Vietnam. Just anything involving this region really.

Historical Republics

All of the republics throughout history that I know of were European (excluding the modern ones influenced by Europeans) except for a couple in India.

So my question is what other places developed republics independently of these areas, or are republics an Indo-European phenomenon?

How do you keep subjugated people not only under your control, but get them to fight for you (especially when they are considered lower "caste")?

I remember reading Romans would station people away from their home-lands so they would have no incentive to assist any rebellions where they were stationed. I don't have any sources on it though (but it does seem like a reasonable starting point).

/holocaustdenial/ general

How did Persia managed to become super power, when their own main lands were less fertile compared to Mesopotamia and Egypt?

By conquering other fertile lands near them?

How come ancient civilizations, (Iraq, Sudan, Iran) are so fucked right now?

>inb4 Islam Jam

Would Germany have been better off as a monarchy, with Prussia serving as the powerhouse of the nation, or was the revolution of 1918 necessary to modernize the country? Would the monarchy have dragged Germany into another world war?

I believe Germany would have been better off staying as a monarchy, but all of the inbreeding was certainly taking its toll on their Kaisers. However, since their kings were trained from the beginning of their lives on how to run a country, they did make better leaders. I think having a person designated to rule and taught how to do so in the most efficient manner possible is a very good idea, but leaves very little room for growth or change.

I've only glossed over the surface of German history out of personal interest, so my knowledge isn't as expansive as I would like. It would please me to discuss this and get a better understanding of the German revolution, and the state of Germany after WWI.

What are, in your opinion, the saddest moments in history, from any historical event? Can be video, song, story, battle etc

Link related for me. Not just the words but the way he sings it really sums up just how absurd and depressing it must have been for so many of the soldiers who fought in WW1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA730QtjOBE

What would a Russian invasion/occupation of Japan have looked like?

why did the Romans not discover gunpowder?

I would have expected them to. If they had gunpowder, would they have managed to use it effectively as a weapon, or would they have just gone full Chink and make fireworks?

Also, side (and probably stupid) question, why did the Romans use aqueducts instead of large pumps?

Medieval and Byzantine art

Let's dedicate this thread to Medieval and Byzantine art discussion, from roughly 400 to 1500.

A lot of people see those art forms as some kind of decadence of naturalistic antique art, a casualty of the "dark ages".

However, i find very interesting the fact that Byzantines made the choice to distance themselves from naturalistic representation.

www.anthroforum.com

I created my own forum focused on anthropology, history and genetics.

www.anthroforum.com

Consider joining if you're interested.

So in real life, who counters who?

Archaeologists unearth military arsenal from the era of Ivan the Terrible

>An archaeological expedition from the Institute of Archaeology of the Russian Academy of Sciences, while conducting a rescue excavation dig near Zvenigorod (Moscow Region) involving the new Central Circular Highway, has unearthed the private arsenal of a military commander from the era of Ivan the Terrible.

https://phys.org/news/2016-01-archaeologists-unearth-military-arsenal-era.html

Saddam's 1988 Iranian Bay of Pigs

In 1988 as the Iran-Iraq war was winding down, Baath Iraq attempted its own Bay of Pigs sending Leftist Iranian exiles in an invasion with Iraqi Air support.

The immediate cause of the massacres was the accusation that Leftists were a 5th column for Baath Iran. After Sadaam tried to use Leftists in a failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Iran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mersad

After fighting a brutal war against an Iraqi invasion, in which millions were lost, and poison gas was used. From the Iranian State's POV Marxist womyn were the worst kind of traitors.

Specifically the horrific abuse of Marxist Feminist leftist womyn political prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners#Dealing_with_women

>After a while, many agreed to pray. One admitted ten years later that she still had recurring nightmares in which she saw herself praying and thereby betraying her whole persona.

http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft3s2005jq;chunk.id=0;doc.view=print

Being forced to submit to Islamic Patriarchy destroyed the very persona of these Atheist Marxist womyn. Imagine a young coed or Women's Studies Professor who has devoted her entire life to Radical Feminism, forced to admit the inferiority of her gender. The Iranian guards were merciless. They would whip the tan buttocks of these Iranian Leftist womyn until their panties were torn to shreds. The lashes would criss cross across their naked breasts and buttocks. This was a barbaric abuse.

Was there some sort of "Cultural revolution" or destruction of ancient Persian relics after Khomeini's revolution?

In retrospective

Things that in retrospective should have happened differently or not at all, sort of alt history, but instead of a "what if x was y?" is "what x should've done in y situation?".

Favorite Battle

What's your favorite historical battle, /his/?

Mine is the 1099 Siege of Jerusalem.

Salazar and the Estado Novo

Antonio Salazar and his regime fascinates me. He doesn't fit any political, ideological or historical stereotype.

An economics professor who kept his country afloat during the great depression, kept it out of WW2, and he managed to cling onto his country's colonial possessions longer than any other nation.

Also despite his powers he lived a simple life and didn't fall into the abuses of power many others did.

Shall we get a discussion going?

Clay tablets reveal Babylonians discovered astronomical geometry 1,400 years before Europeans

>A scholar studying ancient clay tablets suggests that the Babylonians got there first, and by at least 1,400 years. For a number of years he has puzzled over four particular Babylonian tablets housed in the British Museum in London.

>Then one day in late 2014, a retired archaeologist gave him some black-and-white photographs of tablets stored at the museum. Ossendrijver took notice of one of them, just two inches across and two inches high. This rounded object, which he scrutinized in person in September 2015, proved to be a kind of Rosetta Stone.

>Officially named BH40054 by the museum, and dubbed Text A by Ossendrijver, the little tablet had markings that served as a kind of abbreviation of a longer calculation that looked familiar to him. By comparing Text A to the four previously mysterious tablets, he was able to decode what was going on: This was all about Jupiter. The five tablets computed the predictable motion of Jupiter relative to the other planets and the distant stars.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2016/01/28/clay-tablets-reveal-babylonians-invented-astronomical-geometry-1400-years-before-europeans/

Interesting article, but it might be more archaeology than than history; if you don't think content like this is mean't for this board, let me know and it wont happen again.

Art History

I haven't seen an art history thread here in a while, if not ever. I must admit that I'm almost entirely unfamiliar with art history, I'm just a pure historian by trade. As someone working to get into the museum field, I'm at a severe disadvantage to artfags, as there are plenty more art museums than there are history museums. Therefore, I'm looking for more info on art history to try and get myself a leg up on my competition.

Anyways, I figured this thread would be a good place to share your favorite historic pieces of art/artists and any recommendable sources you might have for educating yourself on art history, either online or in book form.

I'll start it off with what little I know on this piece, Emanuel Leutze's "Washington Crossing the Delaware." This iconic piece of American art was actually not made by a native born American, as Leutze was born in Germany, and whose family soon emigrated to America. The painting itself was actually painted in Germany, as Leutze moved back to his native country to study art, and wanted to paint this to inspire the Europeans involved in the Revolutions of 1848.

There are actually two versions of this painting, the original was destroyed during WWII in a RAF bombing raid on Bremen, Germany in 1942. The second version survives today in the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York City, which was also temporarily damaged by a museum guard in 2002, who glued a picture of the September 11th attacks to the painting.

From a historical standpoint, this painting is highly inaccurate. The American flag in the picture was not flown until about a year after Washington's crossing the Delaware River, and the historic crossing itself took place in the dead of night in the rain, the light in the painting was added by the artist for the sake of aesthetics. Even the ice was inaccurate, as the river was modeled on the Rhine, where ice forms in chunks rather than sheets as on the Delaware River, which is also much narrower than as depicted.

ITT:Mongols invade Europe by going through northern Africa

Native Americans

>1492 AD

>Not having the wheel

Proto-Indo-European Texts

Is there something to the idea that The Assyrians "broke" the other peoples of the fertile crescent to the yoke of despotism?

Soviet capitalism

Ok /his/, what if the soviets in the 80s had decided to do like the chinese and open a series of trade areas where western market economy and foreign investors were allowed?

Would the USSR be like china is today?

>inb4 gobachev tried that

He tried a political aperture combined with very limited market reforms, in this case the soviet political apparatus would be the same but the trade zones would be far more accessible to outside capital than the meager reforms that happened, again extrapolate china's policies

>inb4 soviet inefficiency and shit industries

Again this is a much deeper reform in the economic sense, the problem with perestroika is that it kept dumb redundant industries going despite the deficit because muhjobs and didn't make it that easy for foreign companies to enter the market at all.

I see two problems, first that the soviets had at the time far better quality of life and expectations than the chinese did. Put simply china grew and still grows thanks to unskilled and semi-skilled but really really dirt-cheap workforce. The soviets would've been perhaps cheaper than europeans but most likely not at qualified and still far more expensive than the chinese. Then again there is the possibility that the soviets could have taken the lead in the electronics and IT industry since they had really good engineers and scientists at the time, with the outsourcing wave hitting the western world sooner than it did but with soviets rather than asians(including indians).

The second problem is that unless the soviets could get some really good lobbyists and pro-market types on their side I doubt that the western world would've looked the other way at the fact that it was still their main rival and potential WWIII enemy. The chinese got a lot of traction because the west needed a buffer to keep the soviets busy so they were willing to look the other way at the commie shit, but that would be the case with the soviets. Then again china is now the new USSR in a way and despite all the tensions there are no trade blockades afaik.

Satanic Cults post French Revolution

In one of my meetings one of the guys brought in a knife that he said was purportedly used in Satanic rituals between the end of the french revolution and the Napoleonic wars. The knife was quite old and had a vaguely middle eastern shape just a slightly curved blade with the words "fin de vous" engraved onto the flat of the blade, the handle was made of bronze and was in the shape of a women with a snake wrapped around her.

Personally, I don't care about the knife that much but the idea of Satanic Death cults running around the french revolution? That's pretty interesting. The problem is that google is inundated with modern satanists and people blathering on about the Illuminati. So I was wondering if my friend is bullshitting me, or if there are recorded cases of human sacrifice and death cults in france.

Hello, what are some must read books on the German Empire and its diplomacy? Also, I heard that Germany was allied to Britain and Russia before WW1, is this true?

I want to know more about Vedism. I just don't know where to go to find out more apart from reading the Vedas, but this seems common and lacking in true knowledge of the practice.

What happened to the Vedic religion, the religion of the Indo-Aryans of northern India? I don't really know where to look, any help would be appreciated. I imagine I'd have to go to India to find anyone that is perhaps practicing it?

There looks to be no active religion board so thought I'd ask here. Thanks for any help.

/pol/itical esssays

Dumping some essays I've written here.

They were early assignments, don't expect much.

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What were the causes and effects of the dissolution of Rhodesia?

This essay sets out to examine some of the major causes and effects of the dissolution of Rhodesia,

the primary focus being on the changes of government administration and external/internal affairs. As a relatively recent event in history, it is quite difficult to uncover the whole truth of the matter given the absurd amount of canvassing and slander the country and it's people have recieved. This, while making things more difficult, also makes it a prime piece of history to study, given the controversy and firm standpoints surrounding it – made all the more incendiary by how recent it was; it is in fact "living history" in that the repercussions are still being felt today (16th of July, 2015 – Mugabe pleads for white farmers to return as the native populace cannot feed themselves, having driven out the white farmers out decades previously1).

This essay will explore some of that controversy, starting with the causes of the dissolution of Rhodesia – the ideas, circumstances and events that led to the modern-day state of Zimbabwe. Then follows the effects of that tragedy (or happy ending, depending on your viewpoint) and finally concludes with some observations on the entire affair.

Rhodesia's circumstances following up to June 1979 were, despite war, terrorism and international embargo, surprisingly good – the native tribes well integrated into the country as a whole, their traditional practices and hierarchy fitting seamlessly into Rhodesian administration; "He (The tribal chief) plays a leading part in the development of his area through local government councils and community boards, yet there still remains a close personal relationship between him and his people."2. Education was proceeding apace, particularly in regards to the African populace – by 1970 there were 3,272 primary schools providing for 692,000 children, 90 secondary schools catering for 17,000 students and 21 teacher training colleges preparing over 2000 trainee teachers. As an effect and byproduct of all this investment into the native populace, Rhodesia held the highest literacy rate in Africa as well as the lowest poverty rate and no apartheid laws.

All this, despite being internationally isolated (the UN refused to recognise the country and put in place the first economic sanctions, as well as actively helping Rhodesia's enemies – only South Africa and Portugal stood with Rhodesia) from 1965 (date of the unilateral declaration of independance) and fighting the Bush War from the 1960s until the end.

The Bush War was initiated in the 1960s by Nkomo and Mugabe, heading their respective parties/terrorist organisations of ZAPU and ZANU (Zimbabwe African People's Union and Zimbabwe African National Union) to carry out attacks on Rhodesia. The war was only ended after Mugabe took control of Zimbabwe Rhodesia.

The principle cause for the dissolution of Rhodesia was the Internal Settlement and the Lancaster House Agreement: The settlement saw Ian Smith, who had been successfully acting as Rhodesia's Prime Minister for nearly 15 years, establish Majority Rule and hold a general election during April of 1979, in which moderate African Nationalist parties were allowed to participate. The leader of UANC (United African National Council) Abel Muzorewa was elected (with no prior political experience), wth Ian Smith staying on in the government to advise him.

International observers witnessed the election process and agreed it was free and fair, the result being that the Rhodesians (now Zimbabwe Rhodesians) hoped the international isolation would end… It did not. The United Nations Security Council Resolution 423 declared the internal settlement illegal, pushing the British government (pressured by other interested parties, the USA in particular) into forcing their hand. The only thing that would do to lift the sanctions was if Muzorewa immediately held another election and allowed the terrorists Nkomo and Mugabe to take part – this was the Lancaster House Agreement, which Lord Carrington, the British Foreign Secretary, forced Muzorewa and Smith (refusing Smith's advice not to go) into attending.

With no other option, the election was to go ahead, despite last ditch attempts at removing the problem – Operations Quartz and Hectic, which attempted to capture terrorist agents working to coerce the populace into voting for Mugabe, and assasinating Mugabe, respectively.

The failure of the operations led to Mugabe getting "elected" by means of fraud, manipulation and exploitation (one explanation could be in the voting structure – officially, tribesmen were to vote on a particular day, then Mugabe's goons told them that this day was specifically for voting for ZANU… So the majority voted for ZANU. Hearsay, however).

Abel Muzorewa held office for not quite seven months.

Mercury Poisoning

How the fuck did it take nearly three thousand years for people to learn that Mercury isn't a Panacea and will only fuck you up?

Like fucking seriously someone explain how the Idea even came into existence let alone STUCK when the people using it died extremely painful deaths? I seriously think that is probably the most embarrassing thing in the overall development in Humanity

>mfw

Why did he fail /his/?

/his/ thoughts on 'Extra History"

I mentioned Extra History on the 'The Great War' channel opinions thread. I went overboard on my explanation and hardcore shilling so I moved it to a new thread to ask you guys your opinions on it.

If you're unfamiliar with EH, they have covered about 7 topics (and are on episode 5 of the Admiral Yi series) that consist of 5-8 episodes (x episodes of content plus 1 of James talking about shit that they got wrong as noticed by them or pointed out by comments, clarifying some things that confused people, and getting in a neat story if he can. Trigger warning: some of them have figuratively painful audio.)

Their first topic was the Second Punic War with a super quick cover of the first for backstory. It primarily follows Hannibal around and then ends at the destruction of Carthage. If you already know about the battles I don't recommend the video. I also don't recommend the video as your first video. It was a one time thing as they were given funding for it, but was brought back about a year later thanks to popular demand and patreon.

For the lazy:

Warring States Japan: Sengoku Jidai (follows Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, and Ieyasu)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDsdkoln59A&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu&index=10

England: South Sea Bubble (I really liked this one because I knew *NOTHING* about this)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1kndKWJKB8&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu&index=17

Africa: Zulu Empire (covers Shaka and shit. I think a bit after he dies, but it's been a while since I watched it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZLGKFWlRzY&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu&index=23

Byzantine Empire: Justinian and Theodora (covers up to the conquest of Rome. Ignore the minarets on the Hagia Sopeea, they cover that on lies and James admitted his shamefur dispray)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_2E0RxVHH4&index=28&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu

Europe: The First Crusade (haven't seen it yet. pls be good)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIs5B2U7US0&list=PLhyKYa0YJ_5Aq7g4bil7bnGi0A8gTsawu&index=35

World War I: The Seminal Tragedy (this does not follow the battles and is also shorter than the newer ones. It's personally my least favorite but I don't dislike it. It's about the start IIRC).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-wSL4WqUws&index=5&list=PLhyKYa

Women in combat

Sorry if this is a bit of a pleb question, but are there any historical examples of this? Not cases like Joan of Arc. I mean instances in which women actually fought in battles or skirmishes.

Also, I'm not trying to start any kind of argument about feminism, or anything relating to it, so please don't go down that road.

ITT: Historical figures who most likely had autism, or at least aspergers. Pic very much related.

"Fringe" History

I have an interest in the "fringes" of history, AKA the areas of archeology and history that we just don't know about. This includes the "lost cultures" like the many european tribes that simply didn't survive like the Thracians, Etruscans, etc, as well as the parts of history that are just beyond our current archaeological index, like the civilizations that probably existed before the Mesopotamians, the proto-europeans, the people who originated the flood myth, the pre-aryan indus river valley civilization, and really anything else we just don't know much about. Granted, most of the material on these subjects are probably going to be heavy speculation at best, and fantasy at worst, isn't it still interesting at least? To pear into the absolute unknown and wonder at what might exist there?

if this is too /tg/ I can take my inquiries there instead

>38 unique users

Don't die on me /his/, you glorious bastards.

>Archeology

>Study of past human society based on material evidences

>Anthropology

>Study of human psychology, behavior, and culture of past and present

Is this about right definitions?

Were Ancient Greeks really part of "Western Civilization"? What is Western Civilization in the first place? I always assumed it had something to do with Christianity, something that didn't exist back in the day.

Are Westerners these days correct when they refer to the likes of Alexander or Leonidas as one of their own?

I was thinking of buying an English translated copy of "Shahnameh".

Is this book worth it? Or should I just read summyries in Wiki and save my money for something else?

The Baltic Origins of Homer's Epic Tales

Synopsis:

Homer's geography does not correspond at all to the Aegean. It corresponds perfectly to the Baltic.

Homer's climate does not correspond at all to the Aegean. It corresponds perfectly to a northern climate that was undergoing a warm period called a climactic optimatum.

After this warm period began to cool, the pre-Greeks of the Baltic traveled down the Dneiper and sailed down to the Aegean, where, as expert seafarers, they assigned place names to in geographical similar locations of the Aegean that correspond to their Baltic originals in relation to each other.

I'm interested in discussing this, if you are able. If you are one of those "historians have evaluated the preponderance of evidence and etc" bigots who have religious faith in the infallibility of mainstream knowledge, then you are not welcome.

ADOLFHAM LINNLER

HITLER DID SEVERAL THINGS WRONG

It's easy to say Hitler fucked up, but did he act rationally with his given intel and resources? Has technology ever been stolen so fast as how allies stole the concepts from luftwaffe and Willy Rohr?

Debunking

Thread for debunking.

Pic very related. I'm sick and tired of stormfags claiming it to be a black soldier fighting for the nazis in ww2.

The Germans never fought in sub sharan africa during ww2, they never even got to Egypt.

THE GERMANS NEVER GOT BELOW THE SAHARA, they only fought from Libya to Tunisia. There are no blacks there.

The only time Germans fought in sub saharan africa is in ww1.

Also you'll notice the rondell on his hat, black, white and red.

Nazi uniforms, even on rear echelon native forces, always included the German eagle or swastika in some form. Also notice the lack of collar patches.

Where can I find a decent account of the life of the prophet Muhammad? I found some history channel documentary on him but it felt like some propaganda making him out to be much more perfect than he really was, and then there's a bunch of people saying he's a murderer and a child molester (well technically he was the latter, but that was pretty common back then)

How did he actually manage to win battles so well when he used to be a merchant?

Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Found this book in my grandfather's basement,

>Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer

,and was wondering if any of you have read it and if it's worth the read

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Looking for a Specific Theory on Why Rome Fell

Title kinda says it. Basically a year ago I took a class on the classical era (for the fourth time). But I was treated to a different take on Rome's fall than the usual one. The main text was Chester G. Starr's "The Ancient World," but when we got to the fall of Rome, the professor handed us a chapter pulled from a supplementary text. Problem is, I can't remember what book that chapter was pulled from (the whole book was about the theory, prof just provided one chapter). I wanted to review it, and I was hoping you gents could help me out.

From what I can remember, it went this way.

Basically, the Emperor at the time had decided to accept a bunch of Visigoths and assorted barbarians into the empire. The author asserted that this was widely ridiculed as a stupid move by his peers and by the public, but he believed it was a calculated risk. Plenty of germanics had integrated successfully into the empire, and they were more bodies for the meat grinder and taxes for the coffers. But they had to be integrated in a timely manner. However, the emperor was busy with a fucking war in the east, so until they could be processed, they were put into camps. The camps were pretty shitty, and the people were starving while the officer in charge made bank off a black market of vital goods. Two or so odd years of this go by, and eventually they get sick of it and flipped the fuck out in a germanic rage. The busted out of the camps and basically went around pillaging and looting.

The emperor eventually engaged them in a battle, but ignored his generals and was presumably KIA (never found his body or something). Eventually the germanics settled down in little fiefs within the empire, but the problem was that they didn't really integrate past that point. They didn't pay taxes and they didn't become Roman. They were like micro-nations within the empire, unintentionally eating holes in it.

So is this ringing any bells for anybody? Because as a history buff, I'd like the opportunity to review this. It made a lot of sense at the time, but it doesn't read like it because I'm still missing quite a few pieces. I just put down what I could recall. Plus, it was just nice to see a novel theory for why Rome fell, one that wasn't a restatement or re-articulation of the other ones I've read.

Was Rome becoming an empire a "bad" thing in the long run?

found this and thought you might enjoy

Etruscans

Let's talk about them for a change.

Who were they? Where did they come from? What about their language? They seem so mysterious and different compared to other peoples of ancient Italia.

Genghis Khan: Barbarian Conqueror or Harbinger of Democracy?

I just found this lecture by Dr. Morris Rossabi, Senior Research Scholar, Department of East Asian Languages and Cultures, at Columbia University, called, "Great Myths and Legends: Genghis Khan: Barbarian Conqueror or Harbinger of Democracy", and thought it was something worth sharing, and discussing.

Link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfzy7UfPdqc

Brief Overview:

The world has generally viewed Genghis Khan as a barbaric conqueror whose troops raped and murdered hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people and pillaged and often destroyed villages, towns, and cities throughout Asia and Europe. However, several popular writers have recently portrayed him as an advocate of democracy, international law, and women's rights. Morris Rossabi, Senior Research Scholar, Queens College, Columbia University, offers this illustrated lecture, which seeks to provide a balanced depiction of Genghis Khan and to explain the reasons for the myths that have developed about the man and the Mongolian people who established the largest contiguous land empire in world history.

(picture isn't related to lecture in any way other than the fact that it's genghis khan)

Bread

So how did nearly every civilisation realise that grounding down a crop, adding water to it and then heating it up for a couple of hours could create bread?

Was this just out of boredom, I mean I can't imagine myself ever doing this, or was it actually because people thought "I am certain that something will come out of this"?

Were there many civilisations that never knew how to make bread and were instead taught how to do so?

Was slavery a sheer necessity for the formation of ancient empires?

Just at it says on the can. If you look at the more famous ancient cultures (i.e. Rome, Persia, Assyria, Egypt, the Meso-American Empires such as the Aztec Empire, etc. ) did in one form or another rely on slave work for agricultural and other physically demanding tasks.

My questions, hence, are whether or not there were notable empires which could make do without (a significant) slave workforce, and whether or not an ancient high culture actually could exist without the use of slavery.

From my own (limited) knowledge, it seems that only some far-eastern empires such as ancient China made very limited use of slaves, and if so, usually not in the agricultural or other manual labor-based roles that usually were reserved for slaves. Of course, then it's debatable whether serfs and slaves did have much in common or not.

the music of /his/

post some of your favorite music from history.

Can be anything, anthems, folk songs, classical compositions etc.

What does /his/ think about alternatehistoryhub? Does he have good theories on alternate history, or do his theories need ASB's to be possible?

Can anyone recommend some good books on the European wars of Religion? This era fascinates me and seems like it was pretty fucking hectic, but I don't really know much about it and don't know of any media about it.

Pacific Ocean (Polynesian Sexual Mores)

I've always been interested in Pacific history, having thousands of tiny specks of land spread out over a vast ocean causes situations you don't see anywhere else in the world. The nautical navigation skills of the ancient Pacific Islanders were astounding, the Hokule'a Society's voyages are very convincing on that point.

A question that I haven't been able to find a definitive answer for: what was the Pacific Islanders' attitude towards sex? Every fictional portrayal I've seen has promiscuous native women throwing themselves at the pent-up European sailors (the film Mutiny on the Bounty comes to mind). This seems like exaggeration to me, sexual promiscuity would lead to uncertain lineage, which I suppose could have been tolerated among commoners but would be disastrous among the nobility. On that note, I know nothing about family structure in the pre-European Pacific. I already know of instances like Australian settlers taking Maori wives when coming to New Zealand, reading about it implied that it's not so different from western models.

I didn't know whether to make this a Pacific history thread or a comparison of sexual mores throughout history and across cultures, so do whatever you like.

When does something become history?

I mean the fall of the Soviet union was 23 years ago.

French Revolution forum game

http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?c=813588

>Relive history by playing as a real-life character during the French Revolution. Help lead France to her destiny and succeed where your character failed. Watch out for the guillotine.

Do you think history is cyclical?

Technological advancement aside, history for me seems to be going in circle, we haven't advanced that much since civilization first arrived through us, and we still fall in the economical errors the people of the past fell into, hell you have all the social aspects being rehashed over and over.

So have we been going fowards and backwards since civilization was born?

Do you think we're out of that cycle? I do not

HRE Maps

I am looking for detailed maps of the Holy Roman Empire from before the Thirty Years War. Especially around the time the stem duchies broke up into counties and margraviates and so on (around the time of the Hohenstaufen dynasty).

Pic related is a map with the level of detail I am looking for.

Sports Under the Byzantine Empire

What side in the races do you support, /his/? The Blues or the Greens?

hey guys we need a history meme thread to spice things up

Crusaders

Were there black crusaders?

(picture is from Kingdom of Heaven)

A thought experiment

If you were to go back in time to any year before 1500, what date and location do you choose? What do you intend to do?

You cannot bring anything with you except your current clothes with empty pockets. The language barrier is real.

okay, new to the board.

I want to write the Lord of the rings version of black people because I'm heavily interested in black african culture and lore.

Do you guys have any books, videos or resources to learn about afroamerican and black african cultures?

>'byzantine' 'empire'

Hey guys. Recently I've been happening into historical items from the lost days of Uncle Adolf: two pins, a calendar from 1938, and a calendar from 1939. The pins are in excellent condition but not so much on the calendars. The calendars are like books. They're both designed for the pages to be torn off but are full of information, pictures, and music. Off the top of my head, there's maybe four on rallies, two on Adolf, and one on Goebbels that I don't think I've seen yet, plus how many on rural settings. Some of the pages are already loose, the first page or so from the 1938 item are missing, and trying to go through either calendar loosens other pages. There's also water damage and all other wear and tear, but everything is still clear and legible. I want to try deciphering it and care for them both, except I don't want to damage anything beyond what they already are.

How do I do this? Can it even be done? To preserve the item's historical contents by making scans, does it negate removing the pages still keeping to the binding? These things belong in a museum, I'm no curator, but I know what might happen if I try to give them a proper home.

Need help from Italian speaker

The earliest comparisons between the crossbow and handgun were written by Paolo Santini and Lampo Brago in 1452 and 1454 respectively. Brago's book is called Strategicon adversum Turcos.

If any Italian-speaker here could find and translate the relevant passages I would appreciate it, and many other anons would probably also be interested in reading it.

Here's what is said on the two manuscripts in A Bibliography of English Military Books Up to 1642:

"Paolo Santini may be said to be the first writer on artillery; his MS., which dates from the year 1450, containing drawings of ordnance, powder mines, and receipts [sic] for fire-balls and hollow balls filled with powder; while Lampo Brago is the second. The MS. of the latter, which was written in 1454, is the earliest known treatise exclusively on artillery, and contains and interesting comparison between the crossbow and the hand-gun.* Like Santini's, it has never been printed [as of 1900].

*Promis. Santini, in 1452, uses the same arguments in favour of the bow as Smythe uses in 1590."

Merry Christmas from Germany, /his/, hope you guys all had a good day! It's a pity it wasn't colder, didn't feel incredibly Christmas-y this year.

So, to keep the Board Owner from banning this thread, why was Saint Nicholas chosen out of all saints as one to represent Christmas?

How true is the story of Mary and Joseph's trip back to Bethlehem? I mean, did people actually make this trip on 1BC to be documented or would this trip have been later or earlier?

How do you celebrate Christmas where you live, now and historically? I'm staying with my girlfriend in Germany at the moment and their Christmas is very Christian, while in my native Britain it has been commercialised to all hell. Britain was not always like this, however, as Christmas had previously been a Christian festival for hundreds of years before it was banned by the Puritan Parliament in the 1640s before being reinstated under Charles II's rule.

Fortified cities

How large were ancient fortified cities? As in, how many km in radius? I know it varies a lot from town to town, but take for instance Roman ones: Nola, Brundisium, Tarentum… I'm sure there are historical records for capitals like Rome and Carthage, but what about countryside cities and seaports?

I'm reading Livy's books on the second Punic War and when a siege is described I just can't get myself to picture it. There is this image from movies and video games of fortified cities being small, like pic related, and this other image I have from modern day countryside cities, which are considerably large to be fortified. Were there kilometers wide walls, or just a portion of the cities were fortified?

Was Judaism a proselytizing religion in ancient times? I have heard the claims and it does seem true if you look into hellenic history (Philo and Josephus) and early muslim history and the various tribes that seemed to have adopted it in ethiopia and arabia. But then again, i've mostly heard this claim from the likes of /pol/fags who say all modern jews are descended from turks or whatever.

Japanese Arms and Armor Thread

Why isn't Yang Wenli the spirit animal of /his/?

The Eastern Border

Anyhow, hello everyone! I'm a history guy from Riga, Latvia, and I'm making this podcast:

http://theeasternborder.lv/

It is (well, right now and in the forseeable future) about the other side of the cold war - the history and the life of the USSR after the WW2 and until it's collapse. And then some, because it's meant to be about eastern europe in general. The twist is - as I live in Riga, Latvia, and as the USSR was corrupt as hell, and not much of what really was going on was written down, it's also dedicated to preserving the stories of people who actually lived there. So, if this seems interesting to you, give The Eastern Border a try.

Background thread?

browse the metropolitian museum of arts collection and find some yourself. http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/the-collection-online/search?ft=*

Finland

Dirty Swedes need not apply

Historical feels

>you will never be an 18th century Dutch whaler hunting in the Arctic

Anyone else know this feel?

East > West

Why is it this board and history research in General is so one sided to the west?

To me it seems Eastern History is much more interesting and has so much to it, seeing their evolution. They had so much technology being invented and while Europe was diddle fucking around with feudalism Earthquake sensing machines were being built.

So lets discuss not just Chinese but eastern civilization in general, as to not come into conflict with sanguo thread lets have any discussion about china away from that thread's topic.

American Civil War Discussion

>HE STILL THINKS THE SOUTH SECEDED OVER STATES RIGHTS

>HE STILL BELIEVES IN THE LOST CAUSE IDEOLOGY

>HE THINKS THE CIVIL WAR WAS OVER SLAVERY

From the Mississippi Declaration of Causes of Secession:

>"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery– the greatest material interest of the world."

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/primarysources/declarationofcauses.html

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Any Nation that have moved?

His, I had an interesting thought.

I've been watching a lot of time lapses of European history and thought, is there any nation that have moved?

Like pic related, a nation called orange is between 2 nations, they capture land by the yellow nation but the Green nation captures land of the orange nation.

Which means if this goes on long enough, the nation will eventually move?

Feels Nations

Any states, nations, and or any form of human organization throughout history that gives you feels, /his/?

>Anarchist Spain

Babylon

Babylon thread?

Babylon thread.

Favorite discover of the babylonians?

Also who was the best king

Old and Neo-Babylonian empires accpeted

as well as sumerian

Hudson River Valley - colonial times through whenever

A lot of people do not realize the immense historical importance of the Hudson River Valley in New York not only strategically during the Revolutionary War but up to today.

I want to make this thread into a repository for historical information, from a native of the Hudson Highlands, to any and all interested parties.

I'm going to start with the construction of the Bear Mountain Bridge. Most photos are sourced from

http://www.nysba.state.ny.us/index%20page/BMBPhotoArchive.html