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9f571c No.6981[Reply]

We've got customizable flags
Post here what flags you want me to upload.
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f213b3 No.40719

I don't even remember drunkenly and sometimes also not drunkenly making flags as well as an ass of myself.

I am not even good at my own /his/tory :DDD

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f725e3 No.12372[Reply]

""We want to eventually have a resources sticky with links and suggestions of good books, podcasts, etc""

And yet here we are in the year 2015 without such a thing. Let's change this, /his/torians: post up your resources and books you've found invaluable in your quest for knowledge.

And don't be a dick about it: don't just link something random. Try and give a very brief review of it, indicate why it's good and who its target audience would be. Introductory stuff is always going to be welcome, but sometimes it can be hard to find where to go next, so help your brothers out.
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61cb89 No.40705

File: b590eabe3fea831⋯.jpeg (11.74 KB, 480x360, 4:3, sex at dawn.jpeg)

Sex at dawn covers the evolution of monogomy duringthe life span of humans. I don't know if that fits into what /his/ wants, but its something at least.


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e6ab2f No.40309[Reply]

ok I'm seeing this shit posted around and it's confusing me and annoying me to start seeing false shit go around

no, I didn't purge the board

some autist did so, by spamming the board with threads with posts and OPs like the third image there

I locked the remaining few threads and also made it so only mods can make new threads

the autist got tired and went away

I'm a retard and forgot that I'd made it so only mods can make new threads

I then had to leave for a week and a bit due to christmas

come here after returning from my absence, realise that no, I had in fact forbidden new threads from being made, and ticked that option off

that's what's happened to the board. stop spreading dumb rumours.

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e6ab2f No.40463


was tired and frustrated

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12e834 No.33850[Reply]


1. Obey global rules

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2a. History, for the purposes of this board, covers pre-History and all events up to the fall of the Soviet Union. Further than that and it's considered political discussion or discussion of modern events- take it to /pol/ or /b/.

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2. Be prepared to present good sources for anything you claim, especially if you come here to posit opinions you know are controversial.

3. This being 8ch, we don't want to limit what you can post about. That said, we'd like posts to be of a good quality level, and related to history. If your post contains nothing more than >IMPLYING NIGGERS HAD A CULTURE, consider if you aren't better off in /pol/.

4. If you have any problem with the moderation here, or suggestions, please post them here instead of making a thread for it (not really historical-related) or making one in whatever board about 8ch discussion is being used nowadays (I don't even know!)

In other words, don't be a dumbass. This board works fine with a semi-absent BO and a bunch of mods who delete CP bots. Don't ruin it.

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2fa7aa No.40310

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3e31d0 No.40499[Reply]

if genghis khan and the mongol horde suddenly popped out of nowhere in modern day china, would they be able to conquer it?

he only had around 100000-120000 soldiers, but all of them were cavalry

chinks have modern day weapons, but lack mobility

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4e69a4 No.40568


>And there's shitloads of oil in Siberia, so mad max nomads would have no problem just stealing some.

>I know nothing about the refining process or logistics necessary to turn oil into fuel

faa873 No.40569


>conduct raids on Russian refineries

That's what I had in mind fyi

3c0300 No.40570


If the nomads control the territory where the oil wells, pipes, and refineries are, they would have no problems. These places would provide tribute in return for protection. Nomads would roam around the border fighting other nomads, raiding enemy towns, etc. while the tribute states draw up and refine that sweet black gold. It's like Mad Max 2 but in Siberia.

89229d No.40704

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If you could control where they dropped and spread out his forces to hit key communication networks. Yes, they could. If not, they would fuck up the land pretty hard core until the army got rolling. Guns people anon, guns kill

23782a No.40737

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>Russian refineries

Now that's a tautology if I ever heard one.

Russia pumps crude oil through its pipelines.

There's precious little heavy industry out there in the oilfields, because the ground is a perma-frozen swamp. Set up a heated building on top of it, and it thaws; the building's foundation starts to fucking sink into the ground little by little.


Chinks are notoriously, horrendously bad at war. In the sixties the Sino-Soviet split was bubbling up like a lake of caustic diarrhea way on the northeast border. Siberiac border guardsmen had tons of cases where a bunch of "soldiers" would "infiltrate" the country, and just outright shooting at them was frowned upon because the political situation was touchy.

They resorted to just pushing the invaders out with wooden hunstmen's forks.

Not to mention the "PEACEFUL SOVIET TRACTOR" meme.

Provided Genghis Finn had an understanding of modern combat and arms, he could blitz through the mainland and make it a Greater Suomi vassal state.

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b23833 No.40693[Reply]

How do you think the course of English/European history would have changed in the Anglo-Saxons had managed to defeat the Normans and keep hold of England? For the sake of convenience, let's presume that any other attempted invasions by the Normans would have been defeated as well. Anglo-Saxons continued to rule themselves.

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20e568 No.40726


Source of that cartoon?

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d9b051 No.40728


this kills that reddit-tier feature

ba47fc No.40731

No hunderd years war due to no claims of the English king on (parts of) France.

8065a4 No.40736


For one thing, the English language would be very different. Without Norman influence, English today would probably quite similar to Dutch, and to lesser extents, German and the Scandinavian languages. English speakers could apparently understand Dutch into the 1600s, and I'm guessing that that trend would have continued to this day.

Another major change is that English foreign policy would have been oriented towards Scandinavia, Germany, and the Low Countries (rather than France), at least until everyone tried to cross the Atlantic in the 16th century. English foreign policy before 1066 was primarily concerned with Scandinavian raiders (Vikings), and trade with the Low Countries (particularly wool).

England in this alternate timeline would probably have been more involved in the Hanseatic League, although this is purely conjecture.

Lastly, without the Wars of the Roses and the Tudors, it's entirely possible that England would have never been Protestant.

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371d70 No.40596[Reply]

>the Spartans were gay

When will this meme die?

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23b467 No.40680


Babiniotis claims that Greeks invented the alphabet, and that existence of Linear-B confirms his claims, and that (as ancient Greeks wewuzzingly claimed) Phoenicians took over Greek alphabet and turned it into an abjad.

I called this preposterous and accused Babiniotis and Georgiades who cited him as reliable of wewuzzery.

e4c14c No.40681


>as ancient Greeks wewuzzingly claimed

But that's wrong, the Ancient Greeks thought that Cadmus brought over the Phoenician letters and that the Greek alphabet was derived from them. Read Herodotus.

23b467 No.40682


Well fug, the citation is even in the book linked. That makes it even worse, the wewuzzer finds an ancient Greek source saying Greeks learned alphabet form the Phoenicians, but still claims Linear-B proves Greeks invented it.

d91364 No.40686

e28581 No.40735



Maybe this guy's right about many things, but this Linear B thing was the main fuckup.

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e84cc5 No.40733[Reply]

Prior to social security, would there be any way for the government (ect) to notice a time traveler (ect) has just popped into existence in the US?

49a7f1 No.40734

Prior to cameras would anyone have noticed if you stole from the cookie jar in a closed room alone? Without ever finding a white raven would anyone have know whether they existed or not?

Unless it was someone absurdly famous and represented, no chance at all. If it was someone very famous then when that person is finally born (the future) most people would just claim that they really looked like some ancient person, so also no.

tl;dr No way in hell

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276e6e No.40723[Reply]

Stumbled on this article:


>authors behind the myth of Irish slavery sought "to belittle the suffering visited on black slaves"

Sure sounds like somebody is butthurt those dirty dang Irish might intrude into the sacred victim space occupied by naggers. But who's right? Booke like White Cargo and They were white and they we're slaves or the article?

52c548 No.40724


Slavery has existed since the birth of civilization, so yes, I'd presume that white people have been enslaved at one point.

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9504f4 No.40729

>Irish slavery

The thing is, slavery was illegal in Christian Europe. The Pope had huge issues with Spaniards enslaving injuns, the church wanted them to be christened and there was a papal edict explicitly banning slavery and threatening instant excommunication for anyone who owned slaves. Spanish king (which was at the time also HRE) threw a shitfit and no excommunications were issued.

801da1 No.40730


>The Irish slaves myth is a conflation of the penal transportation and indentured servitude of Irish people during the 17th and 18th centuries on one hand, and the chattel slavery of Africans kidnapped for the Atlantic slave trade and their descendants on the other, usually in order to undermine contemporary African American demands for equality and reparations. The myth is also employed by some Irish nationalists, both to highlight historical British oppression of Irish people and to obscure the fact that many Irish people benefited from the African slave trade.

>in order to undermine contemporary African American demands for equality and reparations.


lel, and they call themselves an "unbiased encyclopedia"

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49b12e No.40440[Reply]

Hello there,

I have 2 questions for you guys:

1. Did the Nazis called Night of the Long Knives Night of the Long Knives? I think they called it Röhm-Putsch instead.

2. Why did France got a part of Germany after the defeat of the Third Reich? They were in no place of power as far as I know.

Thank you

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31701b No.40599


> There where more things that factored into the demise

well tell me about them

7480eb No.40608


Hitler fucked with the structure of the German state, on the political and economic side, by pitting different organizations against each other, on the military side, by becomeing more and more directly involved in decision making.

f37560 No.40667

Kind of curious - what do you think would have happened if Hitler had just tuck to art?

I mean, WW1 happens at any rate, and the Backstab legend amongst German nationalists would have resulted in nationalist parties, but would the German Worker's party ever have taken off and mutated into the NSDAP without him as an orator and ideological leader?

More specifically, would there have been any chances that Germany would have keeled over to the radical left rather than to the right? Would the Industrialists have teamed up with the Nationalists to keep the Marxists at bay anyway?

897750 No.40668


The other question is, without Germany going batshit insane under Hitler, would fascists have better chances to win in Britain.

0b5a8d No.40720


After an indiscrete inscident that would have provoked the SA into acting on its avowed counter-revolutionary intentions, Hatler left the room when the decision was made. SA leadership being puffters was a convenient excuse (on top of Himmler/SS praetorian aspirations).

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e801d1 No.40579[Reply]

What's your opinion on the Solutrean hypothesis? Is it just a we wuz tier fringe theory, or is it actually possible?


970175 No.40580


we wuz

you have any idea how fucking hard is it to walk across frozen ocean? Thousands of miles with no source of food, across shifting plates of ice, in temperatures well below freezing, and considering the type of weather on the northern Atlantic also through regular storms? There's a reason why first access to the North Pole was only in 1908/9.

4da0c9 No.40581

As about the similarity of tools, Solutrean tools are closer to Mal'ta-Buret' tools than to Clovis ones. Mal'ta-Buret' were a stone age culture of Central and Eastern Siberia, which also looks genetically more similar to European-like component of North American peoples than actual Europeans.

0788f2 No.40715

Can we assume that north american natives where always there? or is there proof that they migrated there?

1aa57e No.40716


Tools and skeletal remains suddenly start showing up around 16kybp. Before that there's nothing, unlike other continents. Therefore, the only reasonable conclusion is that they must have migrated there at that point.

Genetic divergence from NE Asian populations somewhat agrees with that figure as well.

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4a9a4d No.40683[Reply]

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272e8b No.40105[Reply]

Who was the last true Roman Emperor

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f6d05c No.40515


Adolf Hitler

65c536 No.40605

File: 1983c62095874e2⋯.jpg (60.62 KB, 1024x576, 16:9, d56dd3fd-10b3-4c62-b211-c7….jpg)


How's the revolution going faggot?

05d4a1 No.40678

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3e4f0f No.40712

File: db8266707a97b42⋯.jpg (64.13 KB, 599x423, 599:423, we romans.jpg)

The Holy Roman Empire just a classic case of wewuzery?

9db7b6 No.40713


>these Fayum Mummy Portraits and statues and urn decorations prove definitively that WE WUZ ROMANZ N SHIET

>w-what? you want sources for these?


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748abd No.40635[Reply]

What you think /his/? could they take on a European army of he time?

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0ba7a6 No.40662


I think it's comparing apples to oranges, really, doubly so because Japan underwent sweeping military reforms during the Sengoku period.

Training-wise, European armies may have been superior as the Japanese armies hitherto had largely consisted of Samurai with only some few and often poorly disciplined Ashigaru mercenaries. Moreover, firearms were only introduced to Japan by the Portoguese in 1543. By comparison, European armies had much larger quantities of professional soldiers with the "warrior elite" only serving as officers rather than the main troops since the medieval age, and firearms in the modern style have been used since at least 1520.

Then there's questions like terrain. Japan is mountainous and heavily forested island region, where you'd have to fight over the control of certain fortresses rather than in field battles. By comparison, Europe has much more "space" to maneuver in so that commanders could afford to do as Sun Tzu said and stay the fuck away from enemy fortifications. The relatively open terrain also allowed for large gun lines and mass formations that would have been impractical in Japan.

You'd also have to specify which European army the Japanese would have to take on. A Japanese army facing a Tercio of Habsburg Spain probably would get massacred, and if only because the Spaniards would wildly outnumber the Japanese. A minor European kingdom would have fewer and less-trained troops, by comparison.

902717 No.40672


A shit ton of vital early gun techniques (rotating fire, paper cartridges) were invented or popularized in the Sengoku.

0ff5f7 No.40675


Fair enough. I must admit I only have superficial knowledge on Japanese history, but I still expect the Japanese would have fewer warriors than the field armies of continental Europe.

And just to make sure - you mean the Japanese themselves invented the tech, not just that it was invented during the Sengoku period?

db1a8b No.40677


>rotating fire

<The invention of the wheellock in Europe can be placed at about 1500. There is a vocal group of scholars who believe Leonardo da Vinci was the inventor. Drawings made by Leonardo of a wheellock mechanism date (depending on the authority) from either the mid-1490s or the first decade of the 16th century. However, a drawing from a book of German inventions (dated 1505) and a 1507 reference to the purchase of a wheellock in Austria may indicate the inventor was an unknown German mechanic instead. In 1517 and 1518, the first gun control laws banning the wheellock were proclaimed by the Emperor Maximilian I, initially in Austria and later throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Several Italian states followed suit in the 1520s and 1530s, another argument used by the pro-German camp.

>paper cartridges

<Paper cartridges have been in use for nearly as long as hand-held firearms, with a number of sources dating their use back to the late 14th century. Historians note their use by soldiers of Christian I in 1586, while the Dresden museum has evidence dating their use to 1591, and Capo Bianco writes in 1597 that paper cartridges had long been in use by Neapolitan soldiers. Their use became widespread by the 17th century. The first army to officially use paper cartridges is presumed to be "piechota wybraniecka" of Poland under the rule of Stephen Batory.

7a8ca5 No.40696


chosen infantry is acceptable translation.

Also its not hard to modernize infantry when you have laughable amount of them

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f81446 No.40671[Reply]

The expense of natural of purple dye is well known. What were common dyes considered within reach of common people? No specific era in mind beyond pre-industrial revolution, though information on stuff from Asian countries is particularly desired.

I know the Alizarin/Madder dye used for British "Redcoats" was a relatively inexpensive dye from a common plant. What else?

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d76fab No.40676


Tuaregs are pretty cool

f7a2c6 No.40688


Dyer's weed for yellow, woad for blues, stinging nettle gives you green for example.

Pretty much anything extracted from plants growable in the local climate, as opposed to being extracted from animals (like lice) or relatively rare minerals (lapis).

b62308 No.40689


We wuz Berbers n sheeit

4b8366 No.40691

Is henna used for textile as well, or was it only a hair and body paint dye?

97811b No.40692


IIRC Henna has also been used to dye cloth and leather, although it chiefly was used to imprint ornamental objects on the surface of either materials, rather than as a full-fledged dye.

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