5bba1b No.20648
>Europeans never practiced concubinage
>Europeans never practiced sex slavery
>Europeans never practiced female genital mutilation
>Europeans never made women cover up
>Europeans never stoned women to death for adultery
While women in Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries today are having their clits removed at birth, getting acid thrown in their faces and are forced to wear giant sheets over their bodies, European women hundreds of years ago were leading armies into battle.
So I ask you /his. Why can't non Europeans into treating the torch bearers of their respective races with basic respect and dignity?
aac2eb No.20649
>>20648
What are you talking about? There was plenty if concubines, sex slavery, conservative dress rules, punishing adulterers, etc.
FGM is mostly done by other women besides, like male circumcision is done between men.
149999 No.20651
>>20649
This. Also, women in Arab empires at their height were typically much better educated than their European counterparts (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasa#Female_education).
3a2693 No.20654
Why not cover up in Europe, it's fucking freezing and covered in places where disease can survive.
113e67 No.20660
nigga what about burning witches
113e67 No.20661
> implying eastern europe has no sex slaves
113e67 No.20662
2b8572 No.20666
>>20651
A medresa is a religious school.
655f0f No.20667
>>20651
>Despite the recognition of women's aptitudes during the Abbasid dynasty, all these came to an end in Iraq with the sack of Baghdad in 1258.
Mongols fucking shit up, not surprising at all.
48ef6d No.20669
>>20660
Funny story about that. Most accusers of women being witches were women themselves.
>>20666
True, but women studied other things too.
>>20667
Quite unfortunate. I think the middle east could be far more advanced if not for the mongols.
b9b44b No.20677
5bba1b No.20693
>>20677
No. But neglecting to use proper punctuation after your question leads me to believe you may be.
66743a No.20751
>>20693
btw opee, have u ever read history source that isn't a post on a particular image board with a distaste for juice?
149999 No.20753
Suppose this place is as good a place as any.
Why does /pol/ and other white nationalists speak as if Europe was literally perfect, dindunuffinwrongland? Now, European history is incredible and spawned lots of amazing cultures, artwork, and technologies (among many other things). But the aforementioned groups treat Europe like it was absolutely perfect and left every other civilization in the dust, technologically, culturally, artistically, and morally. Sometimes to the point of stupid amounts of revisionism only rivaled by Afro-centric historical revisionism.
This is especially apparent with their obsession with nords. Now, I actually like the nords and think they have a really cool history. But technologically speaking, they fall short of many other civilizations. And yet they're treated like the master race by people who usually choose to judge races objectively through artistic and technological achievements. Why?
>>20751
>a distaste for juice
>
aac2eb No.20754
>>20753
That's something you should ask another political board, maybe /leftypol/ or /pol/ itself. But for quite some time nationalism has been inextricably linked with a national history. In some ways the nation cannot exist without a narrative everyone invested in the nation all agree upon. In lieu of meaningful action politics, then, online nationalism or racialism becomes a discussion of philosophical virtue or biological exceptionality of a given nation/ethnicity.
On the matter of women, there's never been a constant standard of treatment no matter which culture or era. Within the same region, theory and practical application of women's rights and privileges varied not only with geography and civic organization, but with class, ethnicity, and family occupation/influence. Often times the only ones who approached the question as 'women should be treated ____' were moral theorists who rarely if ever saw their ideals applied while society at large handled things one woman at a time.
66743a No.20756
>>20753
I've wondered the same. It's really odd, isn't it? Especially that it usually comes with completely devaluing non-european achievements, as if Europe was the equivalent of an olympic athlete competing against paraplegic retards, and then acting as if that would be something to be proud of.
Probably just a symptom of nationalism, people think history's a contest and that where your ancestors fucked each other for the longest determines which team you're on.
5bba1b No.20986
>>20753
Dude literally every non Anglosphere/European country, with the exception of like Japan and Singapore are giant cesspits filled with war, violence, corruption etc. I'm not even exaggerating.
What other possible conclusion could one draw other than Europeans/whites are superior?
2b8572 No.20988
>>20669
Yes, muslim women can really make good meals.
66743a No.20989
>>20986
This is a special kind of ignorance
0109a9 No.20992
0109a9 No.20993
>>20753
Confidence is important. Belief in the superiority of one's own race is the best way to ensure it is not subjugated, assimilated, or exterminated. Look how religious belief in being the Chosen Race worked out for the Jews.
5bba1b No.21000
149999 No.21003
>>20986
>Dude literally every non Anglosphere/European country, with the exception of like Japan and Singapore are giant cesspits filled with war, violence, corruption etc. I'm not even exaggerating.
U wot m8? Even in violent countries there are usually cities with relatively low rates of crime.
Also, please look at www.unodc.org/documents/gsh/data/GSH2013_Homicide_count_and_rate.xlsx. It does indeed seem like Europe/Anglo-sphere tend to do better overall, but it's not exactly consistent.
It's also pretty apparent that European politics are strife with corruption, albeit at a less superficial level than some other countries (see: British spying on their own citizens).
War is a bit of a different story. But keep in mind Europe was practically forged by war and countless conflict. Hell, I'd say a big reason why Europe is so adverse to war now is because of their incredibly violent history. That, and it's not exactly like non-European countries just decide to go to war for no reason and white people are the only people smart enough not to. Those conflicts exist for a reason, and Western intervention was caused some of them or made them even worse.
>What other possible conclusion could one draw other than Europeans/whites are superior?
I dunno, maybe not ignoring historical, cultural, economic, and political context? Also, not throwing around absurd statements with no footing in reality.
I also see you have yet to address points brought up by other people in this thread.
>>20993
I suppose nationalism has it's benefits. But it doesn't make gross exaggerations true. I also find it hypocritical that the same people I mentioned will laugh at Afrocentric revisionists. These revisionists are certainly wrong, but Eurocentrists are hardly the people to judge them.
b9ee5b No.21113
>>20651
Wikipedia no longer is a reliable source of on anything regarding women and feminism, it's been quite some time.
>>20660
There are no official registers of witch hunt or judgement of witchers in the catholic church's documents. Witch hunt was promoted by lower people. There are two speculations on why this existed:
1- it's a heritage from pagans, not christians. So it survived as a fringe folklore but never penetrated the institution of the Church
2- A low clergiman once wrote how women liked to have sex with demons because the demons had big penises, this belief that women were sexually attracted/manipulated by demons seemed to be somewhat widespread. So one speculation is that this belief later generated the idea that some women compactuated with demons to do satanic witchcraft.
When protestantism came around, one of their aims was to flatten the hierarchy, no more massive church bossing around people's lives, so it could be the case that these lower, non-official beliefs, were intertwined with official christian beliefs.
>>20649
It's one thing to say X thing used to happen, it's something else to say it was the thing enforced legally and accepted socially. The church never had a strong hold in many legal aspects it tried to regulate in the middle ages, I was once reading the review of a book on how christian values failed to tame the nature of young, unmarried, men in the middle ages, they were violent and viscious.
Another very obvious example is the constant conflict between the jesuit order in latin america, and the colonizing powers, to the point of jesuits uniting with natives to defend themselves against european colonizers. And we're talking here about the two most catholic colonial powers back then: spain and portugal. Power and money just speaks higher, the church's rule and the christian values had no saying.
b9ee5b No.21114
>>21113
Also, forgot to say about the most obvious case of weak rule of law from the catholic church during the middle ages: prostitution.
a0c32e No.21124
>>21113
The same is true of the Middle East as well, where religious law and tradition usually took a back seat to local custom or privileges.
2f4cbf No.21158
>>20648
>Europeans put pussy on a pedestal
>surprised when they get cucked
7ab822 No.21181
>>21113
>Witch hunt was promoted by lower people
>High Catholic Church dindu nuffin
What about the bull "Summis desiderantes affectibus" (1484), whereby the Pope Innocent VIII grants the inquisitors Kramer and Sprenger (Malleus Maleficarum, anyone?) authority to "to exercise their office of inquisition and to proceed to the correction, imprisonment, and punishment" of witches? Local clergy opposed this decision, actually.
Just sayin'.
106007 No.21936
>>21181
Bitch, I should dunk you in the village pond. Malleus Maleficarum was a shitty book nobody even read until witch hunts had already gotten popular.
The pope issued that bull to shut Kramer up as far as I can remember, basically Kramer (Sprenger was actually appended to Kramer's shitty book to give it some pope cred iirc) had a murderboner for women and wanted everyone else to persecute them as well.
The inquisitions (all of them, in fact - Spanish, Italian et al) actually DRASTICALLY REDUCED witch hunting, because of their sensible, centralised and highly regulated nature.
Whereas in decentralised areas (local councils, clergies) the rates of execution were much higher due to crabby women falling over eachother to deliver righteous witchcraft-accusation putdowns on their neighbours, to the detriment of all.
Source: a shitty degree only applicable in highly specific situations like right now.
104324 No.21940
>>21936
Any sources to back this up? Specifically
>The inquisitions (all of them, in fact - Spanish, Italian et al) actually DRASTICALLY REDUCED witch hunting, because of their sensible, centralised and highly regulated nature.
And when did the Church stop deeming witchcraft a satanic fantasy of crazy peasants?
I like this news a lot, Catholic Church is best church, Luther-Antichrist a shit
601d71 No.21970
>>21940
The book title is something like "witchcraft in early modern europe" by A. Pickering - part of british AS level history (so not actually a degree, oy vey). It's got a lot of interesting collated information (and a lot of teeth-grinding bullshit as well - entire chapters on feminist revisionist history…)
I'm not sure if it's a recent development, but it was an integral part of the course, IMO - What I took away from it (ie my personal interpretation of witchhunting) was that centralization and beaurocracy were the top reasons for the reduction in witchcraft over time.
I can't link actual web sources to you because witchcraft is such a saturated subject that literally every result for the search I tried turned up such quality sites as "gendercide.com" :/.
7a655e No.22001
>>20986
>with the exception of like Japan
>>>/jp/
And while you're at it, read up on Unit 731.
017f2e No.31279
>>20648
They did all of those things you dumb /poll/ack
bfdca7 No.31294
>>20986
>Hurr Europe is no war
Until 50 years ago, Europe was considered one of the most war-torn places on the planet, because European powers had an history of fighting non stop. An anecdote I find funny is that Maxim, the inventor of the machinegun, used to invent minor things (like the mousetrap), until one of his friends told him "Hang your chemistry and electricity! If you want to make a pile of money, invent something that will enable these Europeans to cut each others' throats with greater facility.".
This was how people saw Europe in the late 1800's.
Now, I see you talk about China and the Middle East as being a land filled with misoginy, war and ignorance.
That's very funny, because the largest pirate fleet of history, composed of about 80 000 people, were led by Ching Shih, a woman.
Also, the middle eastern scientists pretty much invented the scientific method, as well as the science of optics. And china invented countless clever things.
>>21113
>The catholic church dindu nuffin
>>21936
>Inquisitors were sensible people
Someone go explain that to Diego Rodriguez Lucero
b84535 No.31304
Now, in Christian times Slavery-Concubinage was banned by the church, but during the mostly pagan Europe of the High Medieval ages was mostly just as bad.
Also the penitence for being a slut was wearing a chastity belt, which was a metal trouser, and you couldn't remove it, so I guess some infections occurred.
>>20986
Wot? Europe has been for most of its time in war, from petty conflicts (like that war between Modena and Bergamo for a fucking sacred bucket) to full blown holy wars (Albegines Crusade, North Crusades, Reconquista, 30 Years War) and wars that saw everyone in Europe fight (Napoleonic Wars, Lepanto, the Italian wars).
Most Nations were corrupted and were place to plots to kill kings, princes, toddlers, anyone.
Come on.
>>31294
>the middle eastern scientists pretty much invented the scientific method
Part of it, Galileo then completed the formulation of the Scientific method, by adding the other stages.
>Now, I see you talk about China and the Middle East as being a land filled with misoginy, war and ignorance.
To be honest every place was filled with jerks.
>That's very funny, because the largest pirate fleet of history, composed of about 80 000 people, were led by Ching Shih, a woman.
Many female pirates were european, too.
No one's better than anybody else, since everybody is a jerk.
a39697 No.31308
>>20753
/pol/ has a few right ideas, There is nothing wrong with nationalism or preserving your culture. For instance I'll be extremely sad when Frisian is a dead language, I think that it should be preserved.
The whole "Jews rule the world, every black is an irredeemable nigger, hitlerdindu nuffin" started as a joke, but then newfags took it seriously.
>But technologically speaking, they fall short of many other civilizations.
For the time period scandanavians weren't really all that bad, for a time they had the most advanced shipwrights in all of europe, the only reason they didn't do better is that they were isolated from most of the world just by sheer distance, Northern europe is also a very inhospitable place with few readily available resources.
3a2693 No.31336
>>20986
/pol/ autism aside i'd like to mention that the United states was much less genocidal than what it perceives as third world countries. I mean the United States is pretty evil, it exploits it's allies for money in nearly every war and shit, but communist forces rounded up millions of people and executed them.
Part of this is momentum, U.S. was invaded and exploited itself much less before ww2 and the cold war than communist countries meaning it had more money and could afford to be less dire, but in the end they did commit less mass genocide than nearly everybody, so the maymay is true.
This is even true today by far, but that's /pol/
3a2693 No.31337
>>31336
To expand on the direness concept, Germany and Russian forces would be very vile to their prisoners of war because they barely had food to feed their soldiers. At one point 1,000 wermacht soldiers where freezing/starving to death in stalingrad every day. The United States never had this issue.
74f02d No.31350
74f02d No.31351
74f02d No.31352
and there was even an untouchable caste in western europe up until the 19th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagot
904ead No.31400
>>20648
>>Europeans never made women cover up
904ead No.31401
>>21113
>Wikipedia no longer is a reliable source of on anything regarding women and feminism, it's been quite some time.
The fuck happened
0be50d No.31680
>>31304
>europe has been in war for most of its time
>try not to war for decades
>start getting mass immigration
>europeans start getting pissed off
>europeans apply their hostility again and kill everyone
c5524a No.31700
>>31401
I saw a poster at my University calling for a wikipedia editathon for feminists in STEM. That should give you an idea.
317d30 No.33171
73a8c4 No.33181
e0519d No.33212
In the whole vast domain of living nature there reigns an open violence, a kind of prescriptive fury which arms all the creatures to their common doom. As soon as you leave the inanimate kingdom, you find the decree of violent death inscribed on the very frontiers of life. You feel it already in the vegetable kingdom: from the great catalpa to the humblest herb, how many plants die, and how many are killed. But from the moment you enter the animal kingdom, this law is suddenly in the most dreadful evidence. A power of violence at once hidden and palpable … has in each species appointed a certain number of animals to devour the others. Thus there are insects of prey, reptiles of prey, birds of prey, fishes of prey, quadrupeds of prey. There is no instant of time when one creature is not being devoured by another. Over all these numerous races of animals man is placed, and his destructive hand spares nothing that lives. He kills to obtain food and he kills to clothe himself. He kills to adorn himself, he kills in order to attack, and he kills in order to defend himself. He kills to instruct himself and he kills to amuse himself. He kills to kill. Proud and terrible king, he wants everything and nothing resists him.
From the lamb he tears its guts and makes his harp resound… from the wolf his most deadly tooth to polish his pretty works of art, from the elephant his tusks to make a toy for his child: his table is covered with corpses … And who [in this general carnage] will exterminate him who exterminates all the others? Himself. It is man who is charged with the slaughter of man … Thus is accomplished the great law of the violent destruction of living creatures. The whole earth, perpetually steeped in blood, is nothing but a vast altar, upon which all that is living must be sacrificed without end, without measure, without pause, until the consummation of things, until evil is extinct, until the death of death.
Joseph de Maistre (1753 -1821)Sayovard philosopher, writer, lawyer, and diplomat
c5524a No.33214
>>31308
Nords were fucking awesome at metallurgy and exploration. Badass mythology too.
>>33212
So what I got from that was that humans are Khorne's most loyal followers. That's it, right?
4b359a No.33227
In medieval germany women used to cover up in public after their marriage to symbolize that they werent avaible anymore.
Albeit the covers were often decorated and surely not as plain as fucking burkas, so they still allowed some kind of individuality.
000000 No.34917
>>20648
>Europeans never
Are you American, or Sweden is also guilty of mass illiteracy?
d2ea15 No.34939
>>31304
>everybody is a jerk.
/thread
6dfa85 No.34985
>>21940
It was probably active throughout history but wasn't really known. Probably became more common around 1717 when the Freemasons were founded, then more so during the French Revolution.
747162 No.34989
>>31308
oh boy another Frye Frys
>tfw i hated all of the frisian lessons i got in elementary and never learned the language of my forefathers
>tfw that bitch of a teacher disinterested me in the language of redbad
9eb7b2 No.34992
>>20651
Nobles were educated, peasants were not.
Muslim nobles had far more children than European as they were allowed multiple wives.
Therefore more noble were born.
Therefore more people were educated.
This includes women
000000 No.35007
>>20648
>>Europeans never practiced female genital mutilation
Right, because the wooden horse is a fun game.
53a39d No.35388
ef2b99 No.35389
>>35388
Pic related is is all you need to know.
We europeans are very civilised.
Were always very civilised.
3303aa No.35392
>>35389
How would this mean a clitoris would become removed?
73f264 No.35443
>>35388
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wooden_horse_%28device%29
Ten seconds google search.
>>31336
The U.S. commited less genocide at home, but it also supported countless atrocities all over the world.
When you think about it, it's pretty incredible that the CIA pretty much saved nazi tortionists from judgment just so that they could use their skills in South America (Klaus Barbie is a great example).
Even today, U.S. doesn't hesitate to bomb red cross hospitals to discourage them from, you know, saving lives.
While the US is not Nazi Germany, USSR or Imperial Japan evil, it's disregard towards human life is quite conscerning for a country that calls itself the "land of the free".
59c48b No.35445
>>35443
>Ten seconds google search.
>completely missing the reason why I was asking.
>posting this even after somebody had answered.
I was questioning, and you could see why I was questioning from my other reply, that I was wondering how this meant the clitoris would be removed, autist.
eca2ce No.35470
>>35445
OP started by mentioning female genital mutilation, mentionning how europeans "never practiced it". Well, they did.
Every single one of his points is wrong, his thread is a terrible attemps at circlejerk, and you're just trying to argue a point of detail.
59c48b No.35471
>>35470
No dude, I'm asking about how this classifies as "genital mutilation", I understand it was used as a torture device but I don't understand how the clitoris is removed with this device, or if it is even disfigured. Is the clitoris rubbed raw to the extent that it's not there? Why is it wrong that I am asking for more detail about this device, why is it wrong that I'm questioning a source?
eca2ce No.35474
>>35471
It's not "rubbed", the part you're supposed to sit on is sharp.
The most recent use of this is the American civil war, and the wikipedia article on it mentions that according to a documentary, many of the wooden horse victim were "crippled for life" (I didn't see the documentary, it might be worth looking at it's sources).
One detail to point out is the use of ropes attached to your feet to pull you down, that could be pulled to the point of dislocating your joints.
Now, I don't know specifically if the clitoris was removed during the process, and I doubt it'd be easy to find information on such a small detail.
Thing is, it was a torture device that inflicted pain trought crushing your genitals, and the crushing was brutal enought that some victims never walked again. This qualifies as genital mutilation.
59c48b No.35475
>>35474
Oh I see! When they were talking about the "triangular device" I thought they were just trying to describe the horse in a weird way. The reason why I was asking specifically about the clitoris is because OP stated that they didn't practise "female genital mutilation" which often is the removal of the clitoris.
74f02d No.35477
>>35474
The difference though is that it wasn't a common practice but a method of punishment.
eca2ce No.35478
>>35475
That's female circumcision specifically, and yeah, OP implied that because his point was "muh white pride".
aa5ad6 No.35613
>>20986
>Caligula
>all that gay shit in rome
>greeks masturbating in public saying "muh philosophy"
>"dat plague must be because wymyn be showing dem arpits!!!!!!"
>"cover ur head women!"
>"huehuehue who needs bathing I have perfume and powder"
>"I left muh child in the crib for too long I bet he's one of dem trolls/fae now!!!"
>peasants chimping out in the people's crusade
>"HOLY SHIT OTHER CULTURES AAAAAAH DEMONS"
>inquisition
000000 No.36078
>>35613
>>Caligula
>>all that gay shit in rome
Basically, this.
It started with bandits and mass abduction, continued with raep tourism all the way to British isles, continued to feed each others to beast, and ended in such degeneracy that no one would give enough of a shit to take up arms even for money, except barbarians and members of a formerly repressed religions.
And then it became shiny unreachable Golden Age.
6c8854 No.36080
>>36078
>rape tourism
Sauce?
65cebe No.36122
>>20753
>A) Overcompensation due to the outright hatred and denigration of Europeans at the moment.
>B) Pride and belief in oneself and one's people is important, and there's little use on focusing on flaws when dealing with external enemies.
>C) Europeans are pretty good anyway; certainly the best of humans by most measures, so some hyperbole is expected.
>D) /pol/ isn't about treating cultures or civilizations fairly. It's about promoting one's own, not about fairness. It's not an academic or impartial board. Obviously they're not going to give much of a shit about the civilization of Arabs outside of realpolitik discussion.
As for the Nordicism, I think you're partially misguided. Seeing as how shit most of the Scandinavian countries are now I don't think there's a single /pol/lack who admires them. The farthest it might go are the neopagans or admirers of their absurdly high trust societies of the pre-1970s.
>>20754
>ask /leftypol/
Surely you jest! You'd be better off asking /pol/lacks outside of /pol/.
>>20986
Europeans are the best at war. Why do you think that is?
65cebe No.36123
>>31336
>I mean the United States is pretty evil, it exploits it's allies for money in nearly every war and shit
>what is an empire?
cc042a No.36172
>>36155
Is this supposed to be ironic?
59c48b No.36176
>>36172
People really hate /pol/ on this board, rightly so in my opinion.
f5d29d No.36178
>>36172
/his/ hates anything even remotely /pol/ and they usually think those posts don't deserve a real reply
2eadd1 No.36180
>>20986
>Dude literally every non Anglosphere/European country, with the exception of like Japan and Singapore are giant cesspits filled with war, violence, corruption etc
This part is pretty true. Why is everyone so angry about it?
I'd perhaps include Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau (maybe), Argentina before the issues of the last 10+ years, and Chile.
Can anyone else name non-Euro countries that are doing well and aren't dirty as hell and/or criminal/corrupt?
064d36 No.36194
>>36185
Mongolia is nice, but it's also still kinda backwards, partly due to the commies and their own culture. A good part of their population still live as nomads mostly unchanged from hundreds or a thousand years ago with some small additions here and there like oil lamps.
Personally I wouldn't wanna live there, although it'd be kinda nice living in the least densely populated country.
74f02d No.36195
>>36185
>>36194
Kazakhstan is going really well but corruption is strong. Also I have no idea what happens when Nazarbayev dies.
59c48b No.36196
>>36180
>Can anyone else name non-Euro countries that are doing well and aren't dirty as hell and/or criminal/corrupt?
Can anyone name Euro countries that are doing well and are not criminal or corrupt?
:^)
2c1909 No.36199
>>36196
>doing well and are not criminal
A lot of them until they got flooded with third worlders
>corrupt
Not these days, which is how the first part of my post happened.
59c48b No.36200
>>36199
>Not these days, which is how the first part of my post happened.
Oh boy, have you had a look at Eastern Europe and the Balkans any time recently? How about Spain and Italy? Or Britain with Tax Fraud by MPs? You're deluded, mate.
8b1f00 No.36202
>>36178
Yeah, and it's gotten really annoying lately. /pol/ has become to /his/ what the Jews are to /pol/, that is to say a boogeyman. The difference is at least /pol/'s paranoia is funny to watch, whereas /his/ just comes across as having a giant stick shoved up it's collective ass.
2c1909 No.36206
>>36200
You misunderstand. I'm saying these days it's corrupt, which is how it got flooded with third worlders and other problems which then lead to most of them no longer doing well and increasing their crime rates.
2c1909 No.36207
>>36206
Or more to the point it's gotten much more corrupt, which didn't use to be the case.
59c48b No.36210
>>36202
Yeah, it's a bit annoying really, any retarded or dissident opinion is a "/pol/" opinion, which is a bit silly. It is a minority though.
>>36206
Tell me more about how countries being corrupt has led to mass migration, that is a very… different opinion. Also, if you admit that European countries are corrupt and are not doing well economically then the point that European and Anglosphere countries are superior is irrelevant.