f63697 No.30841
>mfw people act like the fall of Rome was a bad thing
d2f5c6 No.30842
770070 No.30843
Ancient Rome had shitposting culture. Humanity needed to wait for millennia for another one to appear. The great gap of shitposting is a true lost to humanity.
000000 No.30847
>>30843
>shitposting Dark Ages
f7d594 No.30849
>mfw no one is taking the bait
real proud /his/
d2f5c6 No.30853
>>30849
I don't know if it's completely bait, the fall of Rome did give us our modern nations, and in some respects the Middle Ages and what followed were way better than what Rome was.
3229e5 No.30854
It was good because it permitted the development of the superior eastern half
4dc4c7 No.30862
>>30854
>serves him right he trusted the Pope
f8e053 No.31094
>>30841
>not having a qt 3.14 Romana Vxor
Barbari relinquite!
000000 No.31100
>>30862
AROUND CATHOLICS, SHRIEK
9c3268 No.31113
>mfw people actually think the Roman Empire from Constantine onwards was good
cb7234 No.31116
>>31113
>mfw people take Gibbon's freemason anti-Papist propaganda seriously
f7736b No.31150
>>30843
>implying shitposting didn't exist during the medieval period
it just wasn't archived
a79e3b No.31175
All of what i hate of rome was the lead plumbing
153b1e No.31775
>>30842
Without its fall, the West would not have developed and dominated as it did. The foundations of mercantilism and capitalism were laid down after it fell.
Just look at the Byzantines, see how they turned out economically.
3229e5 No.31899
>>31775
Well they WERE one of the four regions of the world that produced silk, the others being Persia, India, and China. They were the best nation economically for almost the entirety of its duration
4e0479 No.31902
>>30841
Rome was actually very shit, they called themselves a civilisation among world of savages but they literally exterminated more civilisations than any other Empire in human history
db45a4 No.31906
>>30841
it was necessary to make the unified front of nations that we see in Europe today.
Think about it, if Western Rome had held on and was still "alive today" in whatever form that may be, say like China, we would be a whole continent of people who never fully tasted freedom.
I pity such a fate for the chosen of mankind. Imperial Roman rule was flawed from the start
9ff0b1 No.31922
>mfw people still think we aren't the Roman Empire?
9ff0b1 No.31924
bb23e3 No.31940
In all seriousness, the Romans had it coming. If the better part of your military consists of mercenaries or barely integrated Germanics who will happily backstab you the second you don't look their way, you don't need to be surprised if things turn bad for you.
As for whether it was good - it was just a matter of time, really. The only thing I sort of regret is that many pre-Christian scriptures were lost because monks could not be arsed to make their own parchment (or at least not enough of it) and thus simply overwrote precious historical and scientific sources with some more bible tracts.
8d0102 No.31944
>>31899
Their economical success has more to do with their location than anything else.
4bece6 No.32265
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>>31094
have a better picture
a1addc No.32459
Sorry to be the no fun allowed fag, but a true /his/torian knows that making value judgements about the past is not history, but ethics using history as a topic of discussion. It can be fun to sympathize with historical figures to truly immerse yourself in the period, but ultimately the collapse was not good or bad, it just was. Same with anything else.
2ecdbe No.32483
0076e3 No.32627
After it fell to shit no it wasnt bad. Rome falling to shit then eventually dying was bad
111467 No.33737
Just because the west returned to high civilization, at least for a time, doesn't mean it's a good thing that it originally fell out of it.
17c5ae No.33760
>>31094
>>32265
>roman_wallpaper_viii_by_spqr63bc-d4m5mxo.jpg
sweet jesus why
John William Godward (9 August 1861 – 13 December 1922) was an English painter from the end of the Neo-Classicist era. He was a protégé of Sir Lawrence Alma-Tadema, but his style of painting fell out of favour with the arrival of painters such as Picasso. He committed suicide at the age of 61 and is said to have written in his suicide note that "the world is not big enough for myself and a Picasso".[1]
His already estranged family, who had disapproved of his becoming an artist, were ashamed of his suicide and burned his papers. No photographs of Godward are known to survive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_William_Godward
411049 No.33763
>>33760
What a shame. I never really liked Picasso's art, personally.
ee3ca2 No.33794
>>33760
I preferred his doom metal phase.
I'm going to Tartarus for this one, aren't I?
d2f28d No.33800
>>33760
Those are some serious feels
c0cbdf No.33805
>>33760
It's stories like this that make me hate the 20th century.
411049 No.33807
Rome never fell. The Eastern Roman (True Roman) Empire survived, and now Greece is the true heir to Rome.
8b9c93 No.33810
>>33807
No it fell when Turks took it because fucking Crusaders had to loot the capital of an empire they started the fucking wars to protect, and as a result it fell and southeastern Europe got it's shit kicked in for the next couple hundred years because of it.
6427f3 No.33824
>>33807
>Letting a woman become Emperor
>True Rome
Charlemagne did nothing the early caesars did not. He seized the vacant title of emperor, and was legitimized by one of the highest ranking clerics of the Roman state religion.
The claim was then split between France and the HRE, and only France still survives.
6427f3 No.33825
>>33824
also Sardinian juidicares remained the only truly Roman administration until it became a posession of Byzantium.
0a1504 No.33892
>>33824
>implying that claim didn't die when you guillotined Louis Capet in 1793 and abolished your monarchy.
Nice try Frenchy.
>MUH ANCESTORS TO RUMMMEEE
6427f3 No.33904
>>33892
the power of the kings was transferred to the nation while the kings still lived.
000000 No.35008
>>30841
>>mfw people act like the fall of Rome was a bad thing
But anon, enlisting a horse in the Senate alone was something so awesomely progressive that it's still not matched. =)
2c7639 No.35095
>CFM VNVS BARBARVS EST QVIDAM BARBARVS IVXTA ME
8ac612 No.35130
>>33892
>Capet
He didn't use that name.
>>33904
>transferred
Extorted. And the "nation" isn't a real thing. It was taken by the revolutionary state.
1df61b No.35692
>>30843
>shitposing dark age meme
>Implying the Varangians didn't shitposted even in the Hagia Sophia
5fcf45 No.35704
>>35692
Kek, based varangians.