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8e2867 No.32262

How do you keep subjugated people not only under your control, but get them to fight for you (especially when they are considered lower "caste")?

I remember reading Romans would station people away from their home-lands so they would have no incentive to assist any rebellions where they were stationed. I don't have any sources on it though (but it does seem like a reasonable starting point).

de4026 No.32263

>>32262

Control their old elites or religious leaders I guess? Then people will follow their lead, which is technically your lead.


a51a6c No.32266

You have to treat them in a way that they serve you not because they are forced to, but because they are willing to do so.

It's hard but it can work, especially if the subjugated people are on a lower cultural level than yours. Then you simply promote your better ways through various examples, for example you show them the materialistic benefits of serving you, how your rule improves their quality of life, their security and such. People will always like those who can secure the food in their belly and a roof over their head. You simply win them over by temptation.

Another good way is to grant them certain privileges in field you want them to serve you best, most likely the army. Again it's about temptation - promise them higher wages, better chances of promotion, adventure, loot, pillage… Also include their leaders and nobles as officers and higher commanders, but keep a close eye on them as they can easily convince the people to follow them in a rebellion, if they decide they have no more benefit in serving you.

Be tolerant of their most basic traditions and customs. If they're of different religion, let them have their faith, but don't make their religious feelings too strong.


8e2867 No.32267

>>32266

How did Imperial Japan keep their Koreans in line?


de4026 No.32270

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>>32267

여기 한국인 있어요.

Korean here.

There couldn't. There were like assassination, protests, and bunch of bat shit crazy shit happened. There were pros and cons of Japanese occupation. Korea was modernized/industrialized by modern Japanese techs and stuff.

However, just like any other colonies, Japanese treated us like shits. Such as forcefully changing people's names to Japanese names, stole people's rice and land, tried to steal our Buddhist relics and send it to Japan, infamous comfort women, ect…. Eventually leading to obvious uprising.

>tfw no Korea flag in /his/


4a0ecc No.32289

>>32262

The Romans for their part did their best to assimilate local leaders by offering them the luxury only Rome could produce. Feed the heads, and the Hydra will follow.

Another thing to keep in mind probably is that the average commoner essentially just wanted armed conflicts to be over as fast as possible. Having either the army of your king or that of the enemy live off the land (which you cultivate) was devastating at any rate, and if you now have to pay taxes to Lord B rather than Lord A, then so be it.


a63a9f No.32313

>>32270

>2015

>still beliving the comfortwomenhoax


77ee0b No.32314

Start with a decentralized control (a coalition, an organization, a partnered city) and slowly integrate it (make the leaders of said city your bitches, vassal them) to the point people won't even care if you're your new leader.

Rome wasn't built in one day.


4f67b0 No.33232

Nationalism is a newish concept, especially in feudal Europe it was pretty easy -because of feudalism. Not to mention the amount of mercenaries around and their prevalence in medieval armies.


263cde No.33259

give them a cut of the conquered land and the loot, works pretty well especially before nationalism was a thing..


8fa8f0 No.33304

>>32262

>I remember reading Romans would station people away from their home-lands so they would have no incentive to assist any rebellions where they were stationed. I don't have any sources on it though (but it does seem like a reasonable starting point).

The Austrians did a similar thing during WWI. Troops from the territories around Trento (which were Italian) were sent to other fronts.


881025 No.33842

>>32270

>However, just like any other colonies, Japanese treated us like shits.

Everyone will make sure to check their privilege pal.

>>33259

>give them a cut of the conquered land and the loot

*+women

Indeed, a man will do anything for glory and the social status and wealth that it promises. Essentially you have to make clear that people will win on your side and win less or even better lose on any other side.

If they believe you you got them.

>>33304

Mixed units served well to prevent open rebellion too. That's part of the reason why there was no big civil war in the end, but the soldiers just returned home.


900a98 No.33865

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>>32262

Kill the able bodied men, and rape the women. They'll obey a strong and burly dom who puts them in their place


c3bbc2 No.33895

It depends on the culture of the people, it depends whether you're in the 20th century or the 3rd century BC. It matters if ideas like nationalism or fundamentalist islam have taken hold.


110284 No.33906

>>33865

Well you are totally fucked when the next generation of kids come about and you need some new soldiers.


751f2e No.33911

If it were something like Germania during roman times then the best you could get was allying with one tribe and support them waving their dicks around all germania and get the people there used to being fucked in the ass /then/ you attempt to conquer.

Also, take away all Blacksmiths and Carpenters and watch as they become dependent on you for basic needs.


447429 No.33940

According to the prince step 1, no matter what, was to kill the old nobility. Insecurrections are rarely grass-roots movements. Commoners rarely cared who their leaders were in monarchies, unless the leader took their money or women.

If commoners were prone to rebellion disarm them, build fortifications in the town and station some of your own men there.

He also said "if you must injure someone do it swiftly and injure him so completely that he may not retalliate, but apply kindness in small increments so that it may he savored and appreciated."


000000 No.35005

>>32262

Usually? Telling them how the evil barbarians from Eastasiaare are going to raep women, eat babies and take shit in the fountains.

Or "we're moving forward, where you're going to desert?"


a63d0a No.35015

>>35005

>where you're going to desert?"

what


2eab59 No.35019

I highly recommend reading "The Prince" if you haven't already.


9e5298 No.35022

>>32262

>How do you keep subjugated people not only under your control, but get them to fight for you (especially when they are considered lower "caste")?

Whine about the holocaust


b0380f No.35023

>>35022

oy vey :^)


97eaa8 No.35319

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>>32262

I guess I can make a bit of contribution in this thread. For starter, I was born and raised in Sarawak, "the Land of the White Rajah", as National Geographic once called it. We still welcome the current pretenders and doesn’t shoo them away despite what the libruls want you to believe. Our newspaper from time to time writes about those old days, with a touch of nostalgia. I do find it funny that the critics of the White Rajahs mainly come from outsiders.

OK. You managed to get hold of a country. How are you going to cement your rule and make them fight for you?

>>32266 (checked)

Well, for starters, you have to expect a couple decades of unrest. Natives aren't just going to look at you and say "he looks like someone we should follow".

Of course, to keep yourself together in these 20 years or so of hardship, you need people under you. You must employ people who are pursuing something greater than material well-being. For example, soldiers who want to repent because of the way the British did to the Native Americans couple of century ago. You need these kinds of people to wake up at 5 am every single day and work until 8 pm. Also try your best to get rid of people whose goals are not aligned with yours.

Speaking of material well-being, the next thing you need to worry about is finance. See, here’s your dilemma:

1. You want to rule over the natives and then let them fight for you.

2. The natives aren’t so stupid just to let some money-grubbing white people to grab their wealth and go away.

3. Hence, you need to get rid of the thought of exploiting the natives for material gain.

4. However, if there’s no material profit to be gained, why should anyone finance your quest?

This is no small matter, anon. The first of the English Rajahs, Sir James Brooke, became senile at the end of his life because of this and tried to get rid of his country as fast as he could. However, no great power wanted it simply because the country wasn’t making money. Finance is important for obvious reason. To maintain a certain level of stability, to pay the people under you, to pay the neighbouring rulers so that they won’t interfere, etc.

Now, to get money, the easiest is to say you’re on a quest to turn the heathens to Christ. However, you need to be careful because this might upset the natives. The best way is to set limit to the would-be evangelist. Who cares if they call you an atheist, you have a mission to rule! This is not a stable source of finance. It depends on the whims of people who couldn’t care less about you.


97eaa8 No.35320

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>>35319

Alright, you want a stable source of income. Bring in immigrants! Hey, those Ming Chinese want to escape China, so why not bring them here. However, as contemporary European politics have shown us, this can backfire badly. At first, yeah, it’s awesome getting all those money. This would entice further immigrants to come because they see opportunity in your country. Before you know it, there are immigrants everywhere and your natives start complaining. Since your goal is to rule and have the natives fight for you, you need to take the side of the natives and limit the rights of these immigrants.

These immigrants would feel they are unwelcomed and oppressed and would form their own pseudo-nation. These would further alienate the immigrants from your natives and before you know it, they hate each other. Before you know it, violence erupts and immigrants were killed by the natives. This would turn your country from a centre of immigration to a centre of emigration. The innocent immigrants would feel threatened and try to run away from your country. And with it, your labour and your sweet money. The solution seems to be, instead of bringing 5000 immigrants in 5 years, why not bringing in 5000 immigrants over the span of 50 years.

>C-crap, anon. This is way too difficult!

Oh, we haven’t even got into the topic of dealing with your mother country. Your parliaments, the public in your mother country, your neighbours, neighbouring European powers, the Tories and the Labour who hates you for whatever reason, and many others. And most importantly, how to deal with those squabbling natives who like to fight each other.

>Well, it’s going to be easy after 20 years of tribulation, right?

OK, sure. If you did things right for the past 20 years, the natives wouldn’t be that much of a problem. Now, the problem is your neighbour, and other jealous colleagues. And lastly, Sir James Brooke died a broken man. I doubt he’s happy for the last couple of years of his life. Sure, in the end, he managed to rule over the natives and were able to make them fight for him, but was it really worth it, anon?

I’m tired of writing now. Maybe I’ll continue later on.


97eaa8 No.35322

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>>35320

Take up the White Man's burden, Ye dare not stoop to less—

Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloak your weariness;

By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do,

The silent, sullen peoples Shall weigh your gods and you.

I doubt spirits exist in this world, but if they do, I want the spirit of Sir James to know that the silent, sullen peoples have benefited greatly from his quest.




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