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8d559c No.33845

Hey guys. Recently I've been happening into historical items from the lost days of Uncle Adolf: two pins, a calendar from 1938, and a calendar from 1939. The pins are in excellent condition but not so much on the calendars. The calendars are like books. They're both designed for the pages to be torn off but are full of information, pictures, and music. Off the top of my head, there's maybe four on rallies, two on Adolf, and one on Goebbels that I don't think I've seen yet, plus how many on rural settings. Some of the pages are already loose, the first page or so from the 1938 item are missing, and trying to go through either calendar loosens other pages. There's also water damage and all other wear and tear, but everything is still clear and legible. I want to try deciphering it and care for them both, except I don't want to damage anything beyond what they already are.

How do I do this? Can it even be done? To preserve the item's historical contents by making scans, does it negate removing the pages still keeping to the binding? These things belong in a museum, I'm no curator, but I know what might happen if I try to give them a proper home.

8d559c No.33879

Bump for serious answers. How do you care for old books and the contents therein?


bc5842 No.33883

>>33879

Under normal circumstances, scans are carefully made and the document then is placed in an environment with minimal moisture and/or other factors that might speed up its natural decomposition.

That being said, how are these books and calendars historically valueable? Its not like every coloring book mass-produced in the Third Reich has to be preserved for the future generations.


8d559c No.33888

>>33883

>scans are carefully made

Right. So how would I go about doing this?

>minimal moisture and/or other factors

Noted.

>how are books from the most controversial time in modern history valuable

Gee, no idea. Guess I better burn them, right? It's not like anything existed before Oceania went to war with Eastasia or anything.


6c15ba No.33898

>>33879

most printers are combination scanners as well


5c9f6b No.33899

I've worked for a while in a library that had old books. While I didn't followed the process in detail they didn't scan the books but actually made hi-res fotos. The books stood on a sort of support like those for reading music and where really well lightened with 2 light-sources. A photocamera stood between the lights.

What you describe is very interesting and I would really like seeing some more of their contents. Could you make some inside photos? Obviously, not the whole setting I described is necessary. Even putting the book horizontally in a well lighted place and taking steady photos is good for a start of archiving.


5c9f6b No.33900

>>33899

PS English is not my first language so sorry for any typos and bad grammar.


14df03 No.33908

>>33898

I have such a printer. The thing is, they're really delicate to handle. From appearances, they haven't been sitting in the best of storage. It's the whole problem I find myself with, that I want to preserve the contents of books before they erode any further but doing so would do just that.

>>33899

I probably should've thought of contacting a library/museum/historical society. Hindsight. If you want pics, I'll post some from a previous thread. I'd try and take more but I cannot state enough how I don't want to damage these things.

Actually, here's the thread: >>>/pol/4357382

If you prefer it for whatever reason: https://archive.is/bp547

>not my first language

Eh. It's my first language and I can't seem to use it either. Murrica.


5c9f6b No.33920

>>33908

Oh wow, those look really interesting. For any regime and time period I love this sort of sources for understanding the everyday life. Admittedly, a propagandistic way of life many times, but still something different from history as the study of Big Men's Decisions.


88b1a5 No.34031

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>>33883

> how are these books and calendars historically valueable?

Well, in the 50s people here were so tired of the war and feared facing repercussions by the allied and soviet occupying forces for being willfull supporters of the NS-government that they frantically burned and destroyed all literature, pictures and flags they found in their viccinity.

What was not burnable, such as honour-daggers, emblems and medals got flushed down toilets, buried or made into something else (My grandmother's parents made cans out of munition and a red skirt out of a flag for example)

People even destroyed mundane stuff such as furnishing and dishes made in this time.

Even today people tend to just quietly destroy such stuff when they find leftovers in grandparents attic or elsewhere.

In the end I think that this "hurr the stuff is from the empire of pure cartoon-villain evil! Must destroy!" mentality has been totally justified in the 50s but is just ignorant now that the material has become very rare due to aforementioned reasons and a sober distance to the things that have happened displaced the horror. (At least outside of western europe)

So why brand propaganda from one of the most influental times of our history as worthless?

Would you demolish atztec pyramids because humans were sacrifieced on them?

Would you burn scriptures from the state of Gengis Khan because his troops did evil in bagdhad and raped half of central asia, persia and europe?

If your not totally ignorant of the worth such historical leftovers have in order to understand the mentality, worldview or cultural accomplishments of gone civilisations you would tend to preserve them.

As a rightleaning person, the infantile fearmongering of the liberal centrists and the left concerning our history does not impress me anymore and only shooed me away from NS stuff as child, but the Nazi propaganda in its uncommented form along my grandparents experiences carries a much better argument against the System it represents because the choice of its words, the hysteric hubris and general attire seems utterly alien from a modern perspective and made me value the basic principles of our democracy again.

Dont be afraid of 70s year old calendars celebrating racial solidarity with poems or servitude to the state in the from of makeshift fairytales for minors, if your worldview is truly superiour, people wont start forming right wing death squads because they felt flattered by an LP with Wehrmacht songs they found in their basement, just like we dont have communist revolutions anymore even though you can freely download Mao's red book without libruls loosing their shit about its totalitarian message.


5b9a51 No.34032

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>>33845

They look very interesting, if you manage to get scans/hi-res photographs I'm sure people will be interested in seeing them posted here!

I'd ask a professional about the proper way to digitalize them.

>>33879

>How do you care for old books and the contents therein?

I'd say a low-moisture, low-temperature, dark and stable environment is sufficient to preserve them, but check for mold and fungi, those require special treatments. Also the cheap paper they're probably made of isn't made to last. But I'm no expert.

>>34031

I couldn't agree with you more, mein Neger.


a5fc4a No.34037

>>33883

>It's not like things from a controversial period of history are valuable

Yes, they're just calendars - they're also items of propaganda. Don't you find it a little significant that even such mundane, everyday items are being used to further an ideology?

>>34031

>>34032

The worst mistake a historian can make is to judge the past by the standards of today.


e125d5 No.34040

>>34031

I think you misunderstand me. I'm not demanding that the calendar and the books are to be put into the next incinerator ASAP because they are "dangerous".

My line of thought is closer to whether or not preserving these specific items would be worth the effort required. Not so much the digitization, but finding a proper shelter for them - as >>34032 said, the material they were printed on was not exactly meant to last, so that preventing the natural decay might require a good amount of work.

And then there's secondary sources. The material inside of the books and calendars is unique as it is, of course, but if scholars from, say, 200 years into the future, want to look into certain issues, I would argue that the history and society of the Third Reich has been documented in more than exhaustive detail. More than any other nation-state that spanned for a bit for than ten years, at any rate.

Of course, if the material does have information not currently known to history, they should be preserved. Again, I'm not the kind of person to burn books because of their content.


461bac No.34053

>>34031

>>34031

I love your post is filled with doublethink.




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