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Infinity Cup II status- /his/ 6 - 5 /christian/ when /christian/ got their shit together in the last 20 mins BUT WE CALLED IT DEATH WHISTLE AND WON

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0c00d6 No.34065

Technological advancement aside, history for me seems to be going in circle, we haven't advanced that much since civilization first arrived through us, and we still fall in the economical errors the people of the past fell into, hell you have all the social aspects being rehashed over and over.

So have we been going fowards and backwards since civilization was born?

Do you think we're out of that cycle? I do not

ebd189 No.34069

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No. This cycle can never be over, it's a part of human nature.


12aa53 No.34095

Didn't we have this exact same thread a few weeks ago


ebd189 No.34097

>>34095

that's because the history is cyclical


d0b8d3 No.34099

>>34097

this, /his/tory is cyclical, BO please make this thread cyclical


9b5c06 No.34179

>>34065

I think history is more like a fractal, we keep zooming in from a simple start to an ever complexifying object with eternity.


0d9af4 No.34220

>>34065

>egyptian buttfuck the libyans for millenia

>eventually let libyans in because "we need people and workers"

>libyans unlike nubians and the kush don't assimilate to egyptian culture

>libyans gain major political and military positions

>libyans rise in society

>a libyan becomes pharaoh

>ancient egypt goes literally to shit and never recovers

>gets rekt by persians, then greeks, then romans and then christians

Pretty cyclical


1969e5 No.34223

>>34220

Is this actually true? Could you provide some sources?


ebd189 No.34226

>>34223

I know the same thing happened in China after the Three Kingdoms period with northern barbarians


613741 No.34230

>>34226

Pretty much.

In the final centuries of Han, the Empire managed to finally destroy their old rival the Xiongnu confederation. However, tribes of Xianbei and Wuhuan filled the power vacuum and start raiding the north, causing Han civilians abandon the northern frontier en masse.

Meanwhile, factional intriguing in the capital were undermining the authority of the central government, until the whole thing fell apart.

Cao Cao managed to restore some authority over the heartland, roughly half of the old empire by land, seven-tenths by population, but separatist regimes in the south and southwest remained defiant, which would lead to the division of Han into three claimant Empires after Cao Cao's death. However, though he was frustrated in the south he had great success in the north, breaking the power of Xiongnu, Xianbei, and Wuhuan tribes and keeping them from uniting. They were forced to settle into the northern territory abandoned by Han settlers, to keep them under watch.

For a while this worked, even after Cao Cao's death and the division of Han into three. Efforts were made to assimilate the tribal peoples, as tribal leaders were forced to send sons as political hostages to the capital, where they learned about Han culture. Some even began to take Han names.

The final reunification of the three states back into a unified Empire by Jin, however, had not coincided with a full restoration of Imperial authority. Cao Cao's heirs had failed to match his success, in part because both his son and grandson both died suddenly at tragically young ages, leading to a succession of child great-grandsons dominated by powerful regents. Eventually the Sima family gradually usurped power, and they were in part successful because they opposed the centralization of power that Cao Cao and his heirs had sought to enforce at the expense of regional powerful families. The Sima of Jin, therefore, were more like the leading family among many other leading families, and their authority was weaker than the Cao of Wei or Liu of Han. They were less able to keep watch on the north.

The diffusion of power was not limited to the Sima sharing power with other great clans, but the Emperor himself with the powerful princes of his family. When the weak Sima Zhong, who appears to have been actually retarded, was enthroned, immediately the Sima princes fought one another in a new civil war. And some of the northern princes called upon the settled barbarians of the north to join their armies.

But time as hostages had taught the barbarian leaders how to rule over Han people, and widespread disgust with the failure of Sima rule left many willing to serve barbarian regimes instead.


0c6a24 No.34264

Ibn Khaldun had a theory on the relationship between primitive, nomadic societies and advanced, urban ones.

According to him, each group has its' "Asabiyyah" (solidarity/sense of unity/etc). Nomadic groups are highly coesive and can take over urban areas. However, once they become the new ruling caste, they will become weak, decay and their unity will erode until another highly united nomadic society replaces them.




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