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Infinity Cup II status- /his/ 6 - 5 /christian/ when /christian/ got their shit together in the last 20 mins BUT WE CALLED IT DEATH WHISTLE AND WON

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754f0c No.34275

I've always been interested in Pacific history, having thousands of tiny specks of land spread out over a vast ocean causes situations you don't see anywhere else in the world. The nautical navigation skills of the ancient Pacific Islanders were astounding, the Hokule'a Society's voyages are very convincing on that point.

A question that I haven't been able to find a definitive answer for: what was the Pacific Islanders' attitude towards sex? Every fictional portrayal I've seen has promiscuous native women throwing themselves at the pent-up European sailors (the film Mutiny on the Bounty comes to mind). This seems like exaggeration to me, sexual promiscuity would lead to uncertain lineage, which I suppose could have been tolerated among commoners but would be disastrous among the nobility. On that note, I know nothing about family structure in the pre-European Pacific. I already know of instances like Australian settlers taking Maori wives when coming to New Zealand, reading about it implied that it's not so different from western models.

I didn't know whether to make this a Pacific history thread or a comparison of sexual mores throughout history and across cultures, so do whatever you like.

b45fa5 No.34290

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Suffice it to say that one of the Maori legendary heroes named Máui sought to make his people immortal by creeping into the body of Hine-nui-te-pó (The Maori goddess of the night) from "between her thighs" and to come out of her mouth again (a task for which he took the form of a worm).

He nearly succeeded in this task, but as he was halfway in whatever opening he had crept into, one of his bird companions (whom Máui had warned not to laugh at the sight) couldn't help it and had a giggle anyway, causing Hine-nui-te-pó to wake up and rapidly close her legs, cutting Máui in two and making all humans mortal.

It is said that Hine-nui-te-pó has remained in this position since back then, and that all humans having to enter the underworld now have to go the same way as Maui did.

On a less anecdotal note: At least in the case of the Maori, sexual promiscuity would rather surprise me, as they place extremely heavy emphasis on their whakapapa - their lineage. This is especially important because they see their children as physical representations of their elders, so if you talk to someone's child, you also talk to his or her parents, grandparents, and effectively the oldest known ancestors.

Curiously this also holds in the other direction. Insult someone, and (so the Maori say) there's a good chance all of his or heir descendants will hold a grudge against you.

A last thing to consider: The written sources about most "tribals" that tend to shape western narratives from European explorers, so I suggest taking them with a grain of salt. I don't even want to argue that every single of these explorers was a merry mass-rapist who only made up the alleged promiscuity to justify his deeds, but just consider the cultural perspectives - to the Europeans, the simple fact that many women in tropical areas ran around bare-chested or virtually nude must have been fairly lewd.

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75daab No.34292

>I've always been interested in Pacific history, having thousands of tiny specks of land spread out over a vast ocean causes situations you don't see anywhere else in the world.

Completely unrelated to OP's question, but I always thought of Pacific as a simulation of how space colonization might work in the future. Islands become planets, people share common origin over planets but has little actual contact due to sheer vastness of space.

Might be interesting to see if humanity ever reaches that stage how closely the correlation goes.


b45fa5 No.34293

>>34292

Although I can see the base idea, I think the sheer time space travel requires (unless we somehow come up with FTL drives) would destroy virtually all similarity between the two settings.

That being said, I'm curious how the memory of planet earth would change in the case of generation ships, both on board, and after its inhabitants have landed on their designated planet after several generations.


62d986 No.34295

>>34293

I would think they would attempt to distance themselves from Earth and become Nationalists, like the majority of people who emigrated to the US when it was first discovered.


bb6572 No.34337

>>34275

I've heard that the most sexually promicuos culture in the world is from a pacific island, don't remember much about it though.


75daab No.34349

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>>34337

Trobriand in Melanesia. They eat some plant that is a natural contraceptive, so they completely lost the notion of sex —> babies.

http://eye4ethnic.blogspot.si/2014/08/trobriand-islanders-living-in-forgotten.html

At the beginning of the yam harvest, the yams stay on display in gardens for about a month before the gardener takes them to the owner. The owner is always a woman. There is a great ceremony for this every year. The yams are loaded into the woman's husband's empty yam house. Young people come to the gardens dressed in their most festive traditional clothes early on the day the yams are delivered to the yam house.

The young people are all related to the gardener, and carry the yam baskets to the owner's hamlet. When they get to the owner's hamlet, they sing out to announce the arrival of the yams while thrusting out their hips in a sexually provocative motion. This emphasizes the relation between yams and sexuality. A few days later, the gardener comes and loads the yam house, and the man is now responsible for the yam.

The yam house owner provides the gardener and young people with cooked yams, taro, and pork. Once the yam houses are full, a man performs a special magic spell for the hamlet that wards off hunger by making people feel full. The women also use bundles of scored banana leaves as a type of currency between themselves. As many days of work are required to make bundles each one has an assigned value and can be used to buy canned foods as well as given away in exchange for other goods.

Apparently, the annual yam festival is not just about well, yams. Sure, the yam is 'king' during this time as competition reigns between villages for the title of 'tokwaibagula' ('good gardener') but it is also a time that sex rules. Women are permitted by their paramount chief to capture men and have their way with them, as in assault them sexually. A native islander will say that she can 'rep' (rape) the men!

The women lie in wait in the bushes and ambush a man who might be walking to work or awaiting transportation. The only rule is that the man cannot be a member of the woman's tribe/village; it's always a man from another tribe/village.

Some males who had been assaulted twice, said that they got over the initial shock and actually enjoyed it (what a surprise!). The only adverse part of this ritual is that if a male couldn't 'perform', the women could urinate on him…and bite off his eyebrows…and eyelashes. This act would surely provoke ridicule from fellow villagers.

The festival time is considered a very dangerous period for a man to be out alone so men would usually go out in groups – just in case. Hey, the defense for 'doing it' in the bushes — making love was supposed to bring fertility to the crops.


8ce19d No.34351

>>34349

Now this is just bizarre.

But hey, if it worked out in the context of their society..


74faea No.34353

>>34349

Just when you think you've seen all the weirdest stuff of Earth's remaining tribal cultures, something new pops up.


75daab No.34356

>>34351

In a way, they remind me of bonobos…


01d741 No.34360

>>34356

(is this the "any race that isn't white is sub-human" meme again or is this something else)


75daab No.34362

>>34360

No, since in modern days, western whites are experiencing the same bonobization.


2238bb No.34380

>>34362

bonobos are cool though, unlike chimps




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