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>>34605

interesting notion. what credibility does the author have?

this theory is given credibility by those recent notions that there were iniginous slavic peoples who were wholly seperate from the africans

>>34610

Well, to me, and, for that matter, to anyone who internalizes a thing and evaluates it upon the merits of its own internal credibility what makes sense, and seems correct to his own mind, the work is extremely credible and given everything in it, I find it now ridiculous, even impossible to consider Homer to be referring to the Aegean.

Much less important, but important I suppose to those who don't internalize info and just accept something based on the authority of the person saying or writing it, the author is a Dr in nuclear engineering and is an amateur historian with an extensive background in Greek, Latin, and the classics.

>>34610

> recent notions that there were iniginous slavic peoples who were wholly seperate from the africans

what

>>34605

>Homer's geography does not correspond at all to the Aegean. It corresponds perfectly to the Baltic.

Map please. Otherwise we can't really discuss anything.

>a warm period called a climactic optimatum.

There's a problem with that though; the Holocene climatic optimum ended about 2500 BC already which is way older than Greek settlement in the Aegean. Homeric weaponry, in that case, doesn't correspond with the proposed timeframe, as that would be right at the beginning of Bronze Age, and iron is mentioned by Homer too (though only sparsely).

>>34610

Care to show some examples and some arguments of the book?

I kept digging a bit more, I found an article on animals appearing in Homeric epics.

http://users.auth.gr/~elvoults/pdf/Homeric%20fauna%2005.pdf

One thing that bothers me with the Baltic interpretation is that it ignores the common similes involving lion — as lions were most likely already extinct over most of Europe by 8000BC, however, there is evidence of them still being present in the Balkans and Asia Minor in Hellenic times.

>>34675

The period he refers to is the period right before the 4.2 kiloyear event, so before 2200BC.

>A phase of intense aridity about 4.2 ka BP is recorded across North Africa,[4] the Middle East,[5] the Red Sea,[6] the Arabian peninsula,[7] the Indian subcontinent,[3] and midcontinental North America.[8] Glaciers throughout the mountain ranges of western Canada advanced at about this time.[9] Evidence has also been found in an Italian cave flowstone,[10] the Kilimanjaro Ice sheet,[11] and in Andean glacier ice.[12] The onset of the aridification in Mesopotamia about 4100 BP also coincided with a cooling event in the North Atlantic, known as Bond event 3.[1][13][14] Despite this, evidence for the 4.2 kyr event in northern Europe is ambiguous, suggesting the origin and impact of this event is spatially complex.[15]

But again,

>evidence for the 4.2 kyr event in northern Europe is ambiguous, suggesting the origin and impact of this event is spatially complex

it wasn't the same everywhere on Earth so that doesn't mean much.

>>34676

>northern mountain lion

if by "mountain lion" you mean "cougar", then no, those never lived in Europe. But it's a fact that before the Neolithic, there were lions living from Europe across Siberia to North America. Despite the very un-savanna environment of ice age Europe. They're also commonly present on cave paintings, and based on the depictions, they looked just like lions, except for having much less developed manes. But again, those lions went extinct by around 10k before present, and we know that from the fact that all fossil records disappear by then. They are part of the Pleistocene Extinction, likely caused by combination of sudden climate change and increasing hunting activity from growing human population.