/his/ - History

>>34719

How much do we know about the Ainu people?

To my understanding, they were the native inhabitants of Japan (modern Japanese being descendents of the Yamato people, iirc).

>>34731

We don't even know if Joumon = Ainu from what I read.

>>34758

Hmm. Then do we have any idea how the Yamato people came to Japan?

What were the qualifications for people to get into the Roman senate?

Since this is the thread for it kind of, how do you feel about the downfall of The History Channel? History two tries when they aren't showing stuff about ayyliens.

>>34858

> how do you feel about the downfall of The History Channel?

I'd rather watch "Hitler's toothbrush collection" than some hillbilly in modern time.

What is history?

>>34874

The written/photographed record of previous events.

>>34871

On the hitler channel at least they put some cool shit from time to time.

Nowadays they just do six episodes of some pawn shop on a row.

>>34790

Over the sea

But seriously, my theory is that the Yamato and the Ainu have shared ancestors in the Yomon, but whereas the Ainu have remained relatively close to the ancient Yomon, the sub-group that eventually became the Yamato underwent more intense interbreeding with multiple migrant waves, presumably from modern-day China

>>34902

because they're stylish as fuck.

>>34903

Seriously though, is this just odd historical fashion, is there a ritual purpose behind the bead curtains?

>>34855

I've heard a horse passed once.

>>34907

Interesting - seems that the beaded strings essentially symbol the rank of the hat's wearer. Only the Emperor was allowed to have such a cap (called Mian Guan) with twelve beaded strings on each side, whereas other important people (i.e. local rulers) were only allowed nine bead-strings per side.

>>34858

>how do you feel about the downfall of The History Channel?

It is sad. Though I don't think I watched the channel before it became the Hitler channel; but even that stuff was better than the current programs they show. The show "Ancient Discoveries" is pretty good, but that's about it.

If you have access to the Smithsonian Channel, they have really good history programs and they often do specials on major events in history (e.g. The Battle of Waterloo, The Battle of the Teutoburg Forest). They also have a series called Secrets, and another called "Mystery Files", which 'investigates' some of the unknowns in history(e.g. the Turin Shroud, and the existence of Marco Polo, each covered in their respective shows.

>>34861

I honestly blame Discovery and TLC since they shifted to reality shit way before & found that's what draws lots of viewers.

>>34871

>>35190

I wish we could go back to the days of The Hitler Channel. At least then it was still focusing on history & as much as people were starting to tire of WWII, it did shape history in an extremely large way. I'm on Comcast so I don't have Smithsonian but it sounds really good, like a cross between good Discovery & History Channel.

Also fuck the National Geographic Channel.

Are slavs white?

>>35224

No. Only Argentinians are white.

>>35223

>National Geographic Channe

why? last time i saw them they were pretty decent.

>>35236

It might just be when I catch it, but it seems like it's nothing but shows about fishing boats in Alaska, living in the wilderness, or cops in Alaska.

>>35223

> I don't have Smithsonian but it sounds really good,

Some of the stuff from the Smithsonian channel is on Netflix and most of the shows are available on Amazon Prime

>>35257

Atlanteans

>>35257

Ayychaeans and Anatolians

>>35249

I'll have to remember that, thanks.

>>35317

Civilization V

:^)

>>35317

HoI3, can't wait for 4 black ice'd HoI 4 that is

Lot's of Total War, mostly Medieval 2 best one Empire darthmodded and Shogun 2 are also great.

>>35321

Do you want me to reynold you? yeah Rome is playable now, but the engine is still a huge drawback, i hope CA gets their shit together uses a new engine and either makes a The Great War Total War or one bridging the Medieval and Empire time periods, so 16th and 17th, pike and shot, colonialism, dinastic wars, religious differences, etc, i'm not sure if they can do it though, the last thing i want is a "19,99$ German Empire DLC™ for The Great War™ Total War™" with the same shitty buggy engine.

>>35321

You should really try out the Europa Barbarorum II mod for Medieval 2 Total War. If you don't own the game, just pirate it, or buy it, it's dirt cheap these days. The mod is all that Rome 2 should have been.

Peer Review Thread[s]?

I was thinking, and I thought it might be a neat idea to have a thread, or threads, in which one could post something that they have written(i.e. research papers pertaining to historical topics) for others to evaluate and provide some feedback on it's accuracy, or things that could be changed.

Now this wouldn't be something like a 'write my essays for me' thread, but just a way to get feedback on a paper you've already completely written. Because I know I have several papers that I need to write this semester, and it would be cool to get some feedback before submitting it to the professor.

Anyone disagree/agree?

>>35339

The only problem that I just thought of would be plagiarism. I don't know exactly how it works, but professors have ways to find out if the paper you submitted is found on the internet anywhere else.

>>35340

I've seen scientists have their papers published on personal internet pages, so even if it's illegal it's a common practice.

>>35342

It's not that it's illegal to publish your papers online, but say your professor gets your paper in, uses a program to find the exact same paper on a thread in 8chan and he'll simply fail you on suspicion of plagarism.

What you COULD do is just ask if anybody has had previous essays, don't ask for proof reads, maybe instead post essay plans or paraphrase your essay.

>>35342

> so even if it's illegal it's a common practice.

>>35343

> say your professor gets your paper in, uses a program to find the exact same paper on a thread in 8chan and he'll simply fail you on suspicion of plagarism.

^ This is what I was concerned about.

Not only could the professor fail you, but you could even get kicked out of your university.

>>35343

>>35342

The only solution I could think of to prevent this is when you hand in your paper say that you asked for peer review on the internet and provide some kind of proof, like screenshots and whatnot.

>>34719

Is it true that the founding fathers of the USA drank mostly wine and ale, because they water from the lakes and rivers gave them diarrhea, and were therefore completely hammered when they came up with the Constitution and Declaration of Independence?

>>35329

i have all the total war games except attila, and i have to say i dont paticularly care for the older engine's system, but i will check it out eventually.

>>35339

>>35340

>>35342

>>35343

>>35344

you could post them with a tripcode to verify you were the one who posted them originallt. or is recorded peer reviewing anathema as well?

>>35339

No. Your professor might found Cripplechan and starts shitposting on /pol/.

Also, you might be accused of plagiarism and that is not a small accusation.

>>35342

Yeah. They don't need to show it to their professor.

>>35345

>>35348

I wouldn't even risk doing these as your professor might be adamant that you have plagiarised despite proof that you haven't. Honestly, keep work that you still have to hand in to yourself, but if you have old essays to upload then fuck it, upload them. Also, if you need help then ask and I'm sure we will be able to, just never cut and paste your essays.

>>35357

>I wouldn't even risk doing these as your professor might be adamant that you have plagiarised despite proof that you haven't.

Yeah, you are probably right. I am going to ask one of my professors about how he would handle the situation; I've had him for 3 semesters and we're pretty close so I don't think he would think that unless he had absolute proof. I'll report back.

> if you need help then ask and I'm sure we will be able to,

people usually get all mad when you ask for hw help; at least on /sci/

>>35360

It's a bit of a pisstake when people make whole threads starting with "To what extent" or "What are the reasons for" when it's obvious that they just couldn't be asked to Google but containing it to one thread would be good, I think a lot of anons would be willing to help and it would mean more traffic.

>>35364

*couldn't be assed

>>35317

Medieval 2

Were Nubians black?

>>35390

yes

>>35317

EU4

I like it because it's chill, also because of the Lulzy shit you can do

>>35317

Been recently playing Vicky 2, also played CK2, EU3-4 all the TW games except Shogun 2 and the ones after Rome 2.

What was the most impressive Sub Saharan African civilization? I commonly hear Ethiopia but anything else?

>>35398

Mali and the various civilizations that preceded and superceded it were fairly well advanced, about on par with the Middle Eastern civilizations of the time. I also remember reading about a civilization in the area of Zanzibar that had built large stone structures and had developed metallurgy but later collapsed.

>>35402

Mali in particular was fairly well known for the University of Timbuktu, one of the oldest and largest universities of its time that attracted scholars and students from all over Africa and the Mediterranean and supposedly had some 25.000 students at a time during its heyday. The city also had an entire industry dedicated to importing and copying books and manuscripts.

>>35402

>I also remember reading about a civilization in the area of Zanzibar that had built large stone structures and had developed metallurgy but later collapsed.

The region of Swahili coast was called Zanj by Arabs, there were several city states there that traded with ocean-faring Arabs, Persians and Indians. Mombasa in Kenya was one of those city states. This is where Arabs bought their black slaves also.

Also, interestingly, the niggers "wuz kangs" and "muh dicked" even back then.

>They say: If a Zanji and a Zanji woman marry and their children remain after puberty in Iraq, they come to rule the roost thanks to their numbers, endurance, intelligence, and efficiency.

>Al-Jāḥiẓ also wrote a book entitled Risalat mufakharat al-Sudan 'ala al-bidan ("Treatise on the Superiority of Blacks over Whites"), in which he stated that blacks

>… have conquered the country of the Arabs as far as Mecca and have governed them. We defeated Dhu Nowas (Jewish King of Yemen) and killed all the Himyarite princes, but you, White people, have never conquered our country. Our people, the Zenghs (Negroes) revolted forty times in the Euphrates, driving the inhabitants from their homes and making Oballah a bath of blood.

>… Blacks are physically stronger than no matter what other people. A single one of them can lift stones of greater weight and carry burdens such as several Whites could not lift nor carry between them. … They are brave, strong, and generous as witness their nobility and general lack of wickedness …

>>35390

Yes

>>35257

There is a footnote in Spengler where he hypothesizes that the Sea People were ancient Germanic seafarers similar to the Vikings. That turned me onto the books The Baltic Origins of Homer and Atlantis of the North. I can post you the footnote if you'd like.

>>35317

Are there any worthwhile GSGs outside of Paradox?

In the GSG genre I would mostly play CK2 or Vicky.

But to be honest with you, after reading Ron Paul's books and being inspired by his philosophy of peaceful noninterventionism, I'm finding the enjoyment in these kinds of games to dwindle.

>>35418

>peaceful noninterventionism

Could you explain, I feel like I'm doing little compared to what I could, is this a motivation thing?

>>35419

I'm not sure what you're wanting me to explain.

Are you wanting me to explain peaceful noninterventionism?

Peaceful noninterventionism is the philosophy of not waging aggressive wars of conquest, involving ourselves in entangling alliances, or meddling in the affairs of other nations. An outgrowth of this philosophy would be not getting involved in the North-South Vietnamese struggle, not getting involved in the North-South Korean struggle, not getting involved in the Israel-Palestine conflict, etc.

When applied to a grand strategy or total war game, this philosophy kind of defeats the purpose of the game. For example, when playing R2TW as Rome, it is entirely possible to avoid making alliances or client state treaties with any faction, and it is possible to simply sign non-aggression pacts and trade agreements with everyone. I can amass considerable amounts of wealth and improve the Italian peninsula totally, but I'm never fighting anyone. No-one declares war on me. It gets old after a while. From a perspective of playing a game, Ron Paul's philosophy is kind of lackluster.

But insofar as reality is concerned, I think it'd be great.

>>35397

>except Shogun 2

nigga you're missing out a lot

>>35412

>whites

Interesting accounts nonetheless

>>35421

i'm kinda the opposite, i'm an anarchist, but i love to play as militaristic facist states in grand strategy

I remember i tried to play purely "trade" games in AoE2, i like the carts and ships moving around, building stuff, seeing my villagers work, i really tried to recreate a living city-state, as much as i could in AoE, i'm actually not really into games made for that like Tropico or that other one about Rome.

I also like to watch the carts and ships in Total War, it's kinda calming or something.

>>35364

>>>35364

>>>35360

>>>35357

>Reporting Back: My professor advised against it, as I had expected.

>>keep work that you still have to hand in to yourself, but if you have old essays to upload then fuck it, upload them.

>just for fun then?

>>35429

>>35357

>>35360

>>35364

I don't know how i managed to green-text the entire post

>>35426

>i'm kinda the opposite, i'm an anarchist, but i love to play as militaristic facist states in grand strategy

I remember i tried to play purely "trade" games in AoE2, i like the carts and ships moving around, building stuff, seeing my villagers work, i really tried to recreate a living city-state, as much as i could in AoE, i'm actually not really into games made for that like Tropico or that other one about Rome.

I also like to watch the carts and ships in Total War, it's kinda calming or something.

I agree, that's everything to me. It really creates an immersive feeling.

I suppose these games could be improved by adding war-alternative developments that are satisfying for the player.

>>35431

>I suppose these games could be improved by adding war-alternative developments that are satisfying for the player.

Abso-fucking-lutely

I want games to give me more options, be more complex and immersive, sadly most devs are moving in the other direction.

>>35431

>I suppose these games could be improved by adding war-alternative developments that are satisfying for the player.

if you watched that law&order episode on goobergaymers you'd know it's because male chauvinist gamers don't like games about things other than war because that would mean they need to include strong womyn too

>>35431

I usually try to play the ultra-aggressor, usually creating large armies and striking first until the enemy is completely wiped out. Then I control my economy, social issues and declare another war again. I have tried playing surely "trade" in TW but you usually get assblasted by the AI (especially on Darthmod)

>>35398

Great Zimbabwe was breddy cool, also check out the African cities along the Indian ocean that traded with china

>>35515

gen.lib.rus.ec

>>35515

Since this would be the thread for this, do you think John Cena has studied history?

What do you think a Fourth Reich if there ever is one would be like /his/?

>>35572

collapse

Does middle easterners have curly hair or straight hair? How about middle easterners in the past

>>35572

It's called Eurozone.

Seriously though, I don't think another true fascist state in Europe is a feasible thing in the foreseeable future, even with the enormous right-wing push created by the refugee crisis.

The closest thing I currently could see to a Fourth Reich outside of central Europe would be Russia if Putin decides to go full Anschluss with Ukraine, Georgia, etc. The cult of personality is already there, Putin's party more or less is the only one with actual power, and with the Nato states constantly doing their best to piss of Russia, it's no wonder that Russian nationalism is one the rise.

Of course, all of this would require Russia to cope with the economic sanctions it is currently facing, but in a way, they also strengthen Putin's position as the "Grand Leader" in that he can argue that the Jews (namely the American Jews) are behind it.

>>35576

Both exist, but most images I've seen of Middle Eastern women show them with straight hair.

Anthropologically speaking, curly hair probably is a feature tied to African or Afro-Asian genetics, so curly hair could be theorized to be more common in the coastal Mediterranean regions, which had strong trade ties with Northern Africa (i.e. Egypt, Anatolia, and the Levant).

Are there any good podcasts or documentaries on the Hellenistic period?

>>35418

there is Aurora, the most autistic game in the world.

also there is a list on wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_grand_strategy_video_games

>>35585

while its scope is far beyond just the hellenistic period, the western tradition has a few good episodes on that era. you can either download the entire series here https://kat.cr/the-western-tradition-complete-episodes-1-52-dvdrip-x264-n6-t2019071.html or buy it here http://rhu005.veracore.com/v5fmsnet/OECart/OeFrame.asp?SXRef=341&cmenunodseq=&FromFav=&PmSess1=97263&pos=ANNENB&v=2 or watch them online here http://endchan.xyz/his/res/109.html. you would want to start at episode 7( on alexander, which starts at post#135 on that endchan link) or 8( which is specifically on the hellenistic age, which starts at post#142 on that endchan link.)

>>35583

Yes it is a bit worrying the following Putin has. As you said, with his party having the power I don't see him going away for a while.

A pissed off Russia in this day & age is something I don't think anyone wants besides russians, but fuck it lets keep up the sanctions and poking the bear.

Do you have a favorite philosopher /his/?

>>35628

Gettier, he just fucked shit up.

How do I become the Scott Manley of history stuff? Manley does stuff like sci-fi and physics stuff and teaches people by playing video games on Youtube, and I'd like to do something similar for history, but don't entirely know where to start or what to start with.

I thought about starting with Greeks (or specifically Macedon) because it's what I'm currently playing as in Total War, and making a few videos about that and the history of it whilst demonstrating things as best I can.

Something like that, you know?

>>35628

yeah, Epictetus.

>>35655

wew

>>35628

Ἡράκλειτος ὁ Ἐφέσιος

>>35655

He looks like chris chan in that thumbnail.

>>35668

Ayn Rand was right though

>>35668

you should, its p interesting stuff.

>>35683

just steer clear of the meme philosophers like zizek and nietzche, at least initially.

>>35680

Can't say I've really had that issue, but sometimes I have the inverse and can't remember certain contents of the battles.

Opinions on Anatoly Fomenko's New Chronology?

>>35715

very thought provoking. especially for early civilizations, since we could easily actually have duplicates on the king lists because history and legends were one thing back then.

but the problem is it would also imply dendrochronology and carbon dating don't work, or have been majorly fudged to obscure the truth. large scale conspiracies only work while the people listen and believe.

besides, historical eclipse observations have been shown to not just correspond to dates calculated from orbital mechanics, but even include an error due to earth's spin slowing down.

http://astrogeo.oxfordjournals.org/content/44/2/2.22.full

What are some of the most brutal execution methods you've heard of? Big one I know even though it's contested is the blood eagle.

>>35761

Blood eagle was an execution method for the convict to salvage his honour if he can keep his cool and determination during the process. It was meant for the convict to 'make the best' of his shameful conviction to show his strength and resolve to his fellows and the gods. It's for redemption, not torturous for some sadist satisfaction.

Other than that, I don't know many specific brutal execution methods. But you're probably going to find the most brutal with the reports of the antics of the Mongols.

>>35762

Isn't this the one supposedly created by the Vikings that could have either involved:

>Cutting a detailed drawing of an eagle deep into the flesh of a person's back so that they would eventually bleed to death.

OR

>Cutting open a person's back, cracking open the rib cage and pulling the lungs out of a person's body (while still connected) and laying them on the person's back. If the person still breathed then he was strong, I can't imagine a lot of people still breathing though to be fair

>>35781

lmao, this is amazing.

>>35782

It's from the Jan/Feb 2016 issue of Smithsonian Magazine if you are interested; I read some of it and it is surprisingly interesting. The issue has some good actually good articles in it.

>>35783

Nice I will have a look!

Question to thread, any historical magazines or subscription services that you would recommend for someone living in the UK.

>>35784

I get Archaeology Magazine and Smithsonian Magazine; I don't know if it makes a difference where you live to get them. I know there is a BBC History magazine though.

why everybody hates the italians?

>>35793

Giuseppe detected.

>>35793

Stabs its allies in the back in ww1 and was completely useless in ww2, at least that's why i don't like them in that subject

I can't find where Chairman Mao said that he was proud of killing millions.

Jewgle gives me nothing.

>>35805

>Stabs its allies in the back in ww1

they were also BTFOd on their front in the ww1, had the axis not collapsed they'd be losing the war

>>35812

Right when you think no one can fuck it as hard as the austrians…

How did the german states develop? I heard they came from 'crusader states', but I have no idea what that means.

>>35827

They came from the Holy Roman Empire bruder

>>35904

I don't think ice road truckers ever had anything related to history in it, that was back when deadliest catch was somehow popular so I guess they wanted their own cold weather shit. Also since I posted that, History2 is dead & got replaced with fucking Viceland, it's a channel dedicated to Vice news' shit. Now all that's left is History International, and I don't even get that channel.

The era of informative TV about history is dead, replaced with reality shows and shows about people doing their jobs. Here's a question, what is it about fucking reality tv & shit like pawn stars that people enjoy so much?

>>35935

People enjoy seeing other people succeed so they themselves can imagine that they are that person rather than actually succeeding. People also enjoy seeing other people fail so that they can claim that the other people are bigger failures than they are and that they would have did a better job in the other person's situation.

>>35935

>>35904

Here something.

Courtesy of the British taxpayers.

>>35827

Teutonic Order

I want to read some more about Prussia, any good books to start with?

>>35935

>I don't think ice road truckers ever had anything related to history in it, that was back when deadliest catch was somehow popular so I guess they wanted their own cold weather shit.

I think their justification for it was that anything can be history, but even then its hard to spin a contemporary reality TV show as having any substantial history-related content. They were missing one of the main appealing points of their channel, which was that they didn't air crap like that.

>Also since I posted that, History2 is dead & got replaced with fucking Viceland, it's a channel dedicated to Vice news' shit. Now all that's left is History International, and I don't even get that channel.

I remember seeing commercials History International back in the day and wishing I had it. Considering what you said about History2 and how the History Channel itself is circling the drain, it makes me a bit doubtful of its quality nowadays, though.

>Here's a question, what is it about fucking reality tv & shit like pawn stars that people enjoy so much?

Joe Sixpack probably finds them more relatable than documentaries since they deal more with personal drama, with the benefit for the producers being how comparatively cheap they are to crank out.

>>35952

Is this of any relation to those Horrible Histories kids' books? I used to have some of those when I was in elementary school.

>>35972

I think the same company makes it, did you collect the magazines? They were really good at getting .me interested in history

>>35982

No, I just had a couple books that were presents from British friends of my family.

>>35827

Are you talking about the modern German states (the Bundeslander or w/e their provinces are called) or German speaking countries?

Either way I'd go read about the stem duchies and the Holy Roman Empire like >>35859 said.

>>35959

Iron Kingdom by Christopher Clark is very good. A lot of people were mentioning it around the end of 2014. It's got an assload of notes and sources in it for anything else you find interesting.

Who was the Byzantine Emperor who left on vacation and more or less said "Fuck you guys, I'm not coming back." then sat around in white robes until he died, and what was his exact quote on the subject? It was something about never wishing to don the purple robes of a statesman ever again.

Some of what I think happened may be factually wrong, through my slanted interpretation of slanted information, slanted by passing years.

>>35972

I don't know, but the fact it was made by the Brits just make it even funnier. It'll be like the Indians making a song about the British East India Company.

Has there even been a war between two countries who don't share a border, and whose troops were blocked getting to the other country by another neutral country (Where this neutral country wasn't just some tiny nation that was steamrolled without trouble)?

>>36106

Do colonial wars count?

>>36131

>>36106

Think you just answered anon's question to be fair.

How exactly were crusader States governed, and how did thy choose their next leader?

Any other resources on crusader states would be appreciated.

How come Western Europeans had such a bad relationship with Byzantines?

>>36187

Schism

>>36187

Seeing themselves as the rightful heirs to the Roman Empire (or rather, actually just as the Roman Empire continued), it didn't sit to well with the Byzantines that some barbarians who fucked up Rome just a few centuries ago suddenly claimed its legacy (and the papacy) for themselves, despite of the fact that their ancestors were one of the reason Rome fell in the first place.