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>>35547

>The guanches have been proven to be indoeuropean people.

lol no they were berber.

also what the fuck are indoeuropeans doing that far west before 1000BC, that was around the time indoeuropean culture only started spreading into iberia

>>35547

Go back to /pol/

But seriously, if you assume that the (Proto-)Guanche originally were some much larger and much more advanced civilization, how would you explain that stories of their culture actually reached mainland Europe, let alone Greece? Doubly so when this presumably would have happened in prehistoric times, where the trade along the Mediterranean was by no means as extensive as during the Golden Age of the Greek city states?

>Also this is kinda notable, they seem to have had a brief encounter with the Romans

Correct me if I'm suffering from Hollywoditis, but didn't the Romans hire large numbers of slingers from the Canaries as mercenaries, or does this finding simply predate the more active trade between the two?

>>35551

>Correct me if I'm suffering from Hollywoditis, but didn't the Romans hire large numbers of slingers from the Canaries as mercenaries, or does this finding simply predate the more active trade between the two?

I believe you're thinking of Balearics.

>>35552

Welp, you're right. Fucking islands, how do they work.

>>35552

Welp, correct.

(Fucking islanders, how do they work)

>>35550

>berber

Oh fuuuck, looked up their lingual roots.

I messed up.

"According to the tales of the European conquerors, the Guanches were a "highly beautiful white race, tall, muscular, and with a great many blondes amongst their numbers" Their great height must be understood in relation to the average height of Europeans at that time. As for the presence of blondes, even today after many centuries of invasions and intermarriage, a heritage of blond hair and blue eyes is easily found among modern day Berbers of the Atlas region in Africa. "

Soo, atlas berbers, who got some northern eurasian admixture that gave them the fair hair and other features.

I said indoeuropean, because I thought the human population that developed into northern indians, europeans and northern eurasians that had/have "white" feautures would be called indoeuropeans. Correct me if im wrong, I guess the Indo-guys are more of a cultural term then a genetic one, right?

> that was around the time indoeuropean culture only started spreading into iberia

Mh, ok.

Then I just call them old as fuck-somewhat europidish- ethnic group that never changed much.

>>35551

>Doubly so when this presumably would have happened in prehistoric times, where the trade along the Mediterranean was by no means as extensive as during the Golden Age of the Greek city states?

Well, if we assume that there was indeed a big civilisation on these islands with naval knowledge, the chance of them shipping close to the northern african coast, through the mediterran until encountering the cultural hotspot between greece, the levant and egypt might explain that these people knew of "the western guys with the ships, trading and telling stuff" until their island exploded, atlantean survivors fled to their former trading partners in order to seek shelter in another relativley civilised culture and then passed the story of their island on by more and more exaggerated stories about how they wuz kangs.

Im just talking out of my ass however.

>>35558

> the human population that developed into northern indians, europeans and northern eurasians that had/have "white" feautures would be called indoeuropeans.

True. But if you want to know what the actual neolithic Europeans looked like, they were genetically closest to the Sardinians. It's definitely not a stereotypical "white" look.

>>35560

Yes, except that there's a major discontinuity between the Ice Age and the neolithic European population too — so you should add the Cromagnons to that list as a separate population.

>>35561

I dont know much about the Cros, I always thought they were affliated to us, like wolves are to dogs, a simple evolutionary prestep.

Or were ther pocket populations of unchanged Cro's confirmed for living at the same time in europe as sapiens sapiens and the neander?

So we have Santorini and the Canaries, right?

But what if Atlantis simply was a Minoan settlement on Crete? I mean, they had rather impressive palace architectures on the island later on.

What actual evidence is there that Plato didn't just make up a story? Are there similar accounts in Greek myth? The whole "a friend told me his grampa went to Egypt and the priests there said…" isn't very convincing.

>>35608

>Are there similar accounts in Greek myth?

No, the legend of Atlantis seems to appear with Plato and Critias, and attributed to Solon 300 years earlier but there are no previous sources mentioning it.

>>35610

If that's the case I'd apply Occam's razor, and assume Plato didn't need a real model for his tale. But for the sake of argument Crete looks like a viable candidate, since they already had the "old power defeated by Athens" role.

>>35608

As mentioned in the OP, Atlantis very well could be a wholly legendary place similar to the lost Garden Eden.

Crete.

Jesus was it so hard?

>is an Island

>pretty advanced in mainland greek terms

>was "swallen" by the santorini Tsunami

Also Plato usually doesn't tell a story if there isn't a connection with it, I'd probably say this story was a way to say how men are inclined to remember and attempt to go back to that wonderful place, and so connect it with his whole philosophy of the dimension of ideas.

>>35777

*And they're usuallly not true.

Atlantis is a real place found off the coast of Japan.

>>35826

Isn't that the continent of Mu?

>>35826

And I am the king of Spain

>>35545

The berbers claim their legendary origin from atlantis.

Just thought you may want to check that out.

>>35916

and the british claimed their origin from israelites for a while

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

>>35922

The idea with the flood myth imho isn't far-fetched, doubly so when so many cultures in the Medittereanean and the Middle East have relatively similar stories regarding it.

To this end, I could imagine that "Atlantis" is a highly idealized idea of life and the world before the thawing glaciers and pole caps flooded several large areas around the Earth.

>>35826

That's Mu, people confuse with Lemuria "Eastern Atlantis"

Likewise near Cuba coasts you can find something

Lemuria itself was inventes as an evolutionist theory continent linking Lemures appearing in Africa and Indian sub-continent, that is before we knew of tectonic places

Atlantis was a made up city.

The only Greek colony west of was Tartessos.

Atlantis was a synonym for tyranny and opression while Athens was a symbol of freedom and democracy.

Like all Greek stories, take it with a grain of salt.