/his/ - History

>>35741

>Frederick II Hohenstaufen

I've never heard of him before. Looked him up here, http://www.britannica.com/biography/Frederick-II-Holy-Roman-emperor

hope it helps

>Experimented on humans, such as raising children in silence to see if language was innate.

This sounds really interesting, any more about this?

>>35743

It echoes the wikipedia and is a timeline of events, but I'm looking for something more scrutinising of the man himself. Thanks anyway.

>>35744

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_II,_Holy_Roman_Emperor#Literature_and_science

>>35746

That is so cool, any chance of it being propaganda against him?

>>35747

What. That's not cool is it? It's sick really. I have another source that claims he was attempting to 'create an empire over the minds of men' so there is grounds to believe it is true and not made up. The wiki quote says he gave up the experiment, so you can consider it isn't meant as propaganda against him.

But things like this are partly the reason why human beings can be so uniform and easily led, because rulers have been formulating the science of conditioning their subjects for a long time.

Nietzsche was a big admirer of him as I remember. I think this quote is from Twilight of the Idols but I don't have it on hand to check so I had to look it up.

"The Church has excommunicated German emperors because of their vices: As if a monk or a priest had a say in what someone like Friedrich II may demand of himself. A Don Juan is sent to hell: that is very naïve. Is it noticed that in Heaven all the interesting people are missing?"

>>35750

It's brutal and sick…but you have to admit that that's pretty cool, I mean a King attempting to understand God and the foundations of Christianity would show such an ironic lack of piety. I also do like (in a way, trying my best not to sound like a goth or fucking autist here) torture methods and how prisoners are executed as if they weren't even human. But at least prisoners were decapitated, sold into slavery etc by other kings, imagine getting captured by this King who treated people as nothing more than rabbits to be experimented on.

>>35757

lol lmao >>>/christian/

heaven sounds boring as fuck, basically if you're a good sheeple goyim for your entire life you get to go to heaven where you can gaze upon god as much as you want

sounds fucking terrible

>Jewish mother

No. She was Norman and the only reason why Frederick was king of Sicily in the first place.

>Saracens as Bodyguards

>When he reconquered fucking Jerusalem

???

I need sources on the rest of those.

>>35763

>heaven sounds boring as fuck, basically if you're a good sheeple goyim for your entire life you get to go to heaven where you can gaze upon god as much as you want

Yeah goyim! Just do whatever you want! You can stay in hell screaming like a pig for the pain after you die! But hey, there are cool people around you, so I guess an eternity of pain is alright!

>>35771

Also by the 13th century there were no Saracens left in Sicily, as Roger II had kicked them out in 1128.

>>35771

>You can stay in hell screaming like a pig for the pain after you die! But hey, there are cool people around you, so I guess an eternity of pain is alright!

I do love benevolent Gods.

>>35764

Hey, I liked that 'Night in Terror Tower' episode of goosebumps too. I guess I understand the fascination.

>>35758

>Suspiciously reminiscent of Herodotus, Histories, II.2

Good catch. So, it may have been added in or he may have been inspired by that, I guess.

>>35771

>I need sources on the rest of those.

Claim of the Jewish mother and Saracen bodyguard is from the book 'Tyranny' by Maurice Lately. The Saracen bodyguard bit ties in with wikipedia where it says the Pope called him 'of Saracen customs' and 'friend of Babylon's sultan', and also it says there he had a muslim bodyguard. I'd really like a source for the Jewish mother claim too.

>>35789

>Claim of the Jewish mother and Saracen bodyguard is from the book 'Tyranny' by Maurice Lately

Link?

> The Saracen bodyguard bit ties in with wikipedia where it says the Pope called him 'of Saracen customs'

That could mean anything, he could refer to the fact that he was brutal or his religious tenor or simply that he was against him, same for the "friend of Babylon's Sulltan", it's probably not true.

>>35776

God would be benevolent if he took their free will and made them stop turning away from him because they wanted pleasure for a second in the material world? next you are going to blame God because you are not good enough to cultivate the will to stop sinning. I guess forgiveness no matter what if you ask for it is not benevolent in this day and age. your inverted morals arereally funny. Take care of your soul.

>>35817

>God would be benevolent if he took their free will and made them stop turning away from him because they wanted pleasure for a second in the material world?

I didn't say this at all, however this raises the point of what is the reason for actually creating human beings if there is no other reason for them to live but for them to die with as little enjoyment as possible in the material world, isn't this just an act of vanity by a God that is similar to a small, gay child wanting attention by singing in the class room?

>next you are going to blame God because you are not good enough to cultivate the will to stop sinning.

No I'm not, I am going to continue to sin as sinning certainly is enjoyable in the material world and I am certainly not going to worship a God who only in the past two thousand years made his presence known to a small minority of human beings, waiting for it to spread across the world over hundreds of years in a particularly ineffective way. Also, in the very slim possibility that he exists, since he is all forgiving I will just ask for my sins to be forgiven and he will be obliged to accept so have fun being in heaven with some of the greatest sinners in the world who happened to ask for God's forgiveness!

>your inverted morals arereally funny.

Your irrational belief in a higher being because you believe that you are more than you have made yourself, you know being NEET and all, is really funny.

>Take care of your soul.

Allahu Ackbar, nigger.

>>35818

> however this raises the point of what is the reason for actually creating human beings if there is no other reason for them to live but for them to die with as little enjoyment as possible

not even a christfag, but wew.

>>35984

>whose mother came from a family of converted Jews

That's not the same as being Jewish, you know? Besides, is there any evidence of this? The Hauteville family is Norman to the bone, as far as I can tell. If anything this looks as an half-assed attempt at justifying Frederick's filosemitism.

>His subjects were forbidden to marry foreigners on grounds of the purity of the race

Wew, evidence for this?

>in Germany the Minnesänger such as Walter von der Vogelweide and Wolfram von Eschenbach flourished under him; in the kingdom of Sicily which included the whole of Southern Italy, he inspired the first poetry in the vernacular

I know it's nitpickng, but why does this book have to be this sensationalist? Minnesänger (including the mentioned ones, who lived the latter part of their lives under his reign) flourished well before him – not that he gave much of a shit about Germany. And while yes, Italian literature was born in his court, to say that he inspired Sicilian poetry is just wrong. He did certainly promote it, but did Maecenas inspire Horace? Hell no.

I understand this book is not specifically about Frederick II, and wasn't written by a professional historian, but still.

>>35984

>Julius Caesar had accorded the Jewish nation special rights …

>… useful for raising money …

Is the author of this even aware that in antiquity, Jews had no usurious banking system set up, and that the rich merchants in their region were actually Phoenicians?

Also the "special rights" mentioned were making Judea a client kingdom (which was under Julius) as was the practice with defeated kingdoms in republican period, and when they were annexed under Augustus they were allowed to practice their traditional religion like every other province was. There was nothing special about that.

I don't know what you're reading but the author appears to be quite ignorant of what he's writing.

>>35985

That's not the same as being Jewish, you know? Besides, is there any evidence of this?

Don't go to /pol/ much do you? It's close to being Jewish, and it's close to Frederick being Jewish if it is true. I don't know where the author got all his information, as I said, I can't find sources or records for Frederick II other than the online encyclopedias. The author quotes the name of a biographer of Frederick but his work is in German.

>If anything this looks as an half-assed attempt at justifying Frederick's filosemitism.

The author never claims Frederick is jewish and he's sympathetic to the Jews. I don't know what the motive would be to justify filosemitism, unless as you say he's being 'sensationalist'.

>And while yes, Italian literature was born in his court, to say that he inspired Sicilian poetry is just wrong. He did certainly promote it, but did Maecenas inspire Horace? Hell no.

I've little idea what you're talking about Pattybro, but is there not doubt as to who Shakespeare was, or if he wrote his plays? If you'll concede there is then why make claims about these characters as though they are definitely authentic, or presume to know the truth regarding circumstances, motives and muses, especially for those that have come centuries before Shakespeare?

I expect you'll say professional historians have overwhelming evidence of everything they believe.

>>35988

>Is the author of this even aware that in antiquity, Jews had no usurious banking system set up, and that the rich merchants in their region were actually Phoenicians?

Interesting, so when is it that the Jewish people got into moneylending bigtime?

>Also the "special rights" mentioned were making Judea a client kingdom (which was under Julius) as was the practice with defeated kingdoms in republican period, and when they were annexed under Augustus they were allowed to practice their traditional religion like every other province was.

Are you sure those are the special rights? There's not a specific exemption or allowance for anything anywhere in the law foisted upon them? Caesar used his template client kingdom law with no alterations for Judea?

I'm not being sarcastic, you may be right that the author is basing his claim of 'special treatment' on those two things, but I can't be sure.