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2e91a4 No.35770

The Czech Legion was a 60 000 strong armed forces composed predominantly of volunteer Czechs, and a small number of Slovaks, fighting together with the Entente powers during World War I. They fought under, and were created by, the Russian state, hoping that after the war they would be awarded with statehood.

In Russia, they took part in several battles of the war, including the Zborov and Bakhmach against the Central Powers. At Zborov, 3 500 of the Czech Legion troops stormed the Austrian trenches; a rare victory in the Kerensky Summer Offensive.

After the Bolshevik Revolution they found themselves stranded in Ukraine but intended to still fight in the war, this time at the Western Front. On the third of March 1918, the Legion ordered a fighting retreat, moving away from advancing German forces ordered to kill any Czech or Slovak on sight as they were deemed traitors, and pushing deeper into Russia, fighting revolutionary forces as they went. They managed to get to the Trans-Siberian railway and commandeered dozens of carriages in order to make their way to the Pacific.

The Bolsheviks were ordered by the German state to disarm them and, when they attempted to, fierce fighting broke out sparking an all-out war against between the isolated Czech Legion and the Bolshevik forces. The Czech Legion then moved East, capturing a number of cities as they went in order to secure the line for stranded Czechs and Slovaks in Russia. Soon their cause became internationally renowned and a army of seventy-thousand Allied soldiers landed in Siberia awaiting the arrival of the Legion.

Soon the carriages were moving fortresses; they were reinforced with iron, mounted with machine guns and small pieces of artillery. Carriages were made into barracks, store-rooms, armouries, bakeries, hospitals and even a carriage was converted into a printing-press for the Czech soldiers.

They soon made common cause with the White Armies, allying with them on several occasions when fighting key battles and liberating Prisoners of War camps. It is believed that, when they were travelling to Yekaterinburg, the Bolsheviks shot the Romanovs as they knew that the Czech Legion had the ability to reinstate the Tsar into power. The Czech Legion still passed through and, as they knew the Romanovs were dead, they robbed billions of modern day pounds worth of jewels and gold; enough to fill at least eight carriages.

By April 1918, Czech forces began to trickle into Siberia from the west on armoured carriages before being transported home and back to the Western Front. By late 1918 the First World War was over, which led to Czechs and Slovaks back home creating their own state out of the German and Austrian Empires which they labelled "The Duel Republic of Czechoslovakia. This was not good news for the Czech Legion, however, who were ordered to stay and fight with the Allied forces which meant that they could no longer slowly evacuate from Russia.

Their campaign lasted for over a year, helping the Whites and Allies fight against the Red Army and other Revolutionary Forces. By this time the Czech Legion was almost entirely centralised in the port-city of Vladivostok. However, by 1920 the Whites were almost completely crushed and the Allies were beginning to retreat which meant that the Czech Legion, if they did not act quickly, had the prospect of becoming stranded as carriages full of their men were still trying to move East.

Knowing that a large Bolshevik force was on the way and they had little time to retreat, the Czech Legion acted quickly and struck a deal with the Bolsheviks: the Tsar's gold for their safe passage home. The deal was struck and the Czech Legion evacuated the city, arresting any White leaders, that they had fought with for years, in the city and handing them to the Bolsheviks as a sign of good will.

The Czech Legion began their evacuation in March 1920 and had finally evacuated all of their forces by September that same year. The total number of people evacuated with the Czech Legion was around 60 000, including soldiers wives, Prisoners of War and refugees. Many of the soldiers that were evacuated formed the core of the new Czechoslovak Army. It is unknown how many soldiers of the Czech Legion died in the war, but it is estimated as being around 4 000, however sources also estimate a much higher casualty list. An unknown number went missing or deserted the Legion, either to make the journey home by moving west instead of east, or to join the Czechoslovak Communists.

Requesting more stories from the Russian Civil War, particularly stories about the Greens.

05e733 No.35806

The aftermath of ww1 was such a clusterfuck


791534 No.35809

>>35770

>Soon the carriages were moving fortresses; they were reinforced with iron, mounted with machine guns and small pieces of artillery. Carriages were made into barracks, store-rooms, armouries, bakeries, hospitals and even a carriage was converted into a printing-press for the Czech soldiers.

Sounds like good old tabor infantry. Jan Hus would be proud.

>>35806

And everyone was still so knuckleheaded too, like the war didn't happen at all. Probably because most of them didn't get to huff mud in the trenches with the people they led.

Recently I read Denikin and other White Russian generals were saved from their own soldiers by Poles, then proceeded to deny them any hope that the Russian Empire would under any circumstance give up on their Western acquisitions or grant any significant autonomy, even as the Bolsheviks slowly pushed them off a cliff.

…And then Poland reemerged anyway and soloed the Red Army. On it's own turf, but still, that kind of makes a point.

Same with Germans and Austrians. Everyone of the decision makers went full empiretard and kept going till they hit a tombstone.


148900 No.36009

>the deal was struck and the Czech Legion evacuated the city, arresting any White leaders, that they had fought with for years, in the city and handing them to the Bolsheviks as a sign of good will.

Into the trash they go


93f06c No.36024

>>36009

they good boys, they dindu nuffin


7e0180 No.36037

>>36009

>>36024

by this time the Whites were limited to Siberia and there was no way for a victory, it was a pretty good deal for the Czech Legion.


9b1e15 No.36051

>>36037

They sound like cowards to me tbh


2e91a4 No.36052

>>36051

They fought and had been away from home for years and even followed the orders of a government, that they had not voted in, to continue fighting and only when they knew all hope was lost, that they were going to be stranded in Russia, did they secure their safe passage back to Europe. I don't understand how this is not bravery, members of the Legion who did get back safely even went to fight on the Western Front, which is pretty damn brave considering that they'd done enough. I understand that you're pissed about given away the White leaders but these guys had no chance of success and basically leeched off the power of the Legion; many Czech's were asked to help take or defend cities with the Whites as the Whites did not have the moral or man-power.


2a3c3f No.36055

>>36051

I get what you mean, but at the same time it's important to understand that at that point they were fighting a loosing battle in a foreign country's civil war and the world didn't have a lot of experience with communism then, so for them it wasn't as clear cut who's the good guys and who's the bad guys as it is for us. Backstabing is rarely honorable, but before judging someone, you should at least try to understand how they might have seen things.


2e91a4 No.36058

>>36055

This pretty much, also the White Army was a mess at this time due to several coups of leaderships in the space of only two or three years. Also, even if the Whites did miraculously win, it is unlikely that Russia would have ended up any better than it did under Stalin as many White leaders simply wanted Military Dictatorships by the end of the war.


791534 No.36070

>>36058

They'd have to be really bad to get anywhere near Joe's high score, tho. Juntas don't usually try to redefine the basis of economics and butt into private lives less than crazy marxists.


2e91a4 No.36073

>>36070

Not necessarily, say if the White armies coordinated an attack and actually took out the Reds then the Whites would have fought each other for supremacy and fuck that would have taken a long time. Considering how the majority of the empire was not looking for a military dictatorship (see Ukraine, peasants claiming land, Greens etc) it would have been difficult to get people to really rally around them if they weren't promising leftist values. Even after the war had ended and one of them managed to actually consolidate his power, you're still looking at the problems that Stalin faced concerning the peasantry and shitty economy. It's difficult to judge but they probably would have made decisions that, while not similar, would have a tremendous human cost in order to give Russia a kick start into the twentieth century.




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