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>>35834

also explain finns and why there are such non-indo european languages where the people are obviously really european looking

The concept of Indo-European is primarily linguistic. The origin of the Indo-Europeans is debatable but most likey the Pontic-Caspian steppe.

>ME groups come from?

You're gotta be more specific brah

>I've read studies that say that there are definite and high frequences of shared genes (and obviously, linguistic similarities) from parts of India stretching through some ME and Central Asian countries all the way into Europe.

Yes but remember that genetics does not correspond to language. R1a and R1b are the big guys but I've read that also G1 and G2 joined the R's when they moved into Europe, mostly settling in mountainous regions.

>However, who were the people in Europe before the Indo-Europeans?

We only know the Pre Indo-Europeans through archaeology, they were quite different from the Proto Indo-Europeans (semi sedentary and farming communities).

>How did they affect who Europeans are today

Genetics mostly, maybe mythology but that is very debatable.

>Why do some Semetic groups (not talking about mixed groups like many Jews or whatever) like Berbers and some Arab groups look whiter than even some Indo European groups?

Berbers "look whiter" because some groups have R1b in their genetics, maybe from Barbary corsairs or some kind of back migration (R1b comes up in Central Africa).

Also the Arab groups who "look whiter" prob have little admixture from other groups.

>also explain finns and why there are such non-indo european languages where the people are obviously really european looking

Finns and Finno-Ugric may look European but they have very different genetics from the rest of Europe. There aren't any Indo-European languages in that region is because they migrated there before the IE's but the Uralic languages have a shitload of Indo-European loanwords (a lot of them Germanic and Indo-Iranian because of their geographic closeness). I'd also like to add that the Saami languages have a substratum that is neither Uralic nor Indo-European.

>>35836

I'll go down point by point.

1. I mean ME groups like the Kurds, Persians, certain Caucasus gorups (basically Indo-European ME groups)

2. Doesn't it largely correspond to language in this case? If not correspond, at least show a very close relationship? The genetics of Iran , for example, seem to show a mixture of the genetics found across numerous European societies, yet, aside from Greeks and Italians, most Iranians (not all) seem to bear many features with non-Indo European neighbors (correct me if I'm wrong!). Is this just the enrvionmental factor (heat causing darker skin?)

3. Can you distinguish pre-Indo Europeans from proto?

nothing for points 5 and 6

but for the last one

7. dont finns and hungarians carry upwards of 95% of the same genes as most europeans?

>>35854

>1. I mean ME groups like the Kurds, Persians, certain Caucasus gorups (basically Indo-European ME groups)

The Iranians came through the Caucasus (Medians and the people who would settle Parsa) and around the Caspian (Scythians and Saka)

>2. Doesn't it largely correspond to language in this case? If not correspond, at least show a very close relationship? The genetics of Iran , for example, seem to show a mixture of the genetics found across numerous European societies, yet, aside from Greeks and Italians, most Iranians (not all) seem to bear many features with non-Indo European neighbors (correct me if I'm wrong!). Is this just the enrvionmental factor (heat causing darker skin?)

Iran has a wide mixture of genetics, yes some that are identified as IE (R's) but they also have a lot haplogroups that are "Eastern". I think it depends on the region in regards to their features, the areas closer to Iraq and the Persian Gulf are obviously going to be darker than other areas.

>3. Can you distinguish pre-Indo Europeans from proto?

There are archaeological cultures that pre-date the IE ones but nothing can be said of their language.

>7. dont finns and hungarians carry upwards of 95% of the same genes as most europeans?

Hungarians pretty much are genetically European probably because when the Magyars migrated into the Carpathian Basin they were most likely a minority but became the ruling class. This happens a lot throughout history (Achaemenids with the Elamites, Seljuk Turks with Anatolia).

>>35858

Also forgot to mention the Armenians, they came from the West and mixed with the Hurrians/Urartians

>>35858

Explain more about the Elamites. It seems like no one knows what they were, yet they look very dark.

>>35866

They were a civilization close to the Sumerians who also wrote pictographic symbols for trade and then the more developed version. Some people think they are related to Dravidians but personally doesn't make any sense, no one knows even how their language sounded like. Also how do you know they looked dark?

>Also how do you know they looked dark?

Reliefs and paintings I have seen

>>35869

link?

>>35871

kind of iffy, but i remember seeing something labelled "elamite soldier" and the relief basically looked ethiopian or dravidian.

>>35873

All I can find are pages of reliefs, which don't really show how the Elamites looked like, and pseudo "we wuz kangs" shit

>>35875

maybe this??

I dont know

http://historum.com/ancient-history/77637-what-physical-appearance-elamites.html

>>35876

That's what I meant by reliefs, there are no other people next to the Elamites so how do you know they're darker than them?

>>35877

Also the one with colour may have decayed like the lower right of the pic

>Elamites

Regarding curly hair, it is still relatively common in Persia and it doesn't necessarily mean they wuz kangs.

I'd say it's quite likely they were related to the Harappan culture, but I don't think Harappans were Dravidian, after all the North Indian genetics has a lot of links to Middle East that aren't specific to Indo-Europeans, and admixture between North and South Indian is quite old so it would imply non-native Harappans (perhaps another neolithic group that migrated out of Middle East, like how expansion of agriculture through Europe worked).

>>35876

>Herodotus refered to them as "Asiatic Ethiopians".

that was how Greeks described Indian-looking people btw, also because they believed India is connected with Ethiopia in the south.

Herodotus was a retard

Herodotus was a retard