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841e6c No.36186

Were Germanic languages very similar to each other? Or very different?

Or were they very similar then individually changed over time after they settled?

d55470 No.36189

>Were Germanic languages very similar to each other?

Well duh ya dummy, they're in the same family. They all come from Proto-Germanic but diverged pretty fast into Proto-Norse, Proto-Northwest Germanic and so on. Also some of them have different influences, such as Old English from Celtic.


fedf07 No.36191

>>36189

Then, could a person from Vandal kingsom conversate with Suebian man?


02c836 No.36197

>>36191

Vandal language was East Germanic, like Gothic. Attested Gothic language is already quite different from early forms of surviving Germanic branches. Suebian language was most likely of Irminonic branch of West Germanic, from which modern High German dialects (Alemannic and Bavarian) derive.

I'd say at the point of migrations, they have diverged by about as much as Slavic languages have (which started diverging from Proto-Slavic around 8th century) — at least by looking at what linguistic evidence we have and also rough timeframe of language evolution. Which would mean different branches would have difficulties understanding each other at first, but there's no need to properly learn each other's language in order to communicate


02cc28 No.36198

>>36197

Just want to butt in a bit, this is pretty much all speculation though, right?


02c836 No.36201

>>36198

We have written accounts of Gothic language from 4th century onwards. There are also sporadic written accounts of Western and Northern Germanic languages in Runic alphabet from 2nd century onwards. Procopius, in 6th century, mentions that Vandals and Goths are related (and also puts Gepids and Visi(goths) in the same basket, but not other Germanic peoples).

Pliny specifically puts Suebi into the Irminonic tribes, which are also identified as a group by Tacitus and Pomponius. Area inhabited by Irminonic tribes underwent the High German consonant shift before 6th century, which can be seen from the change in spelling in inscriptions compared to other West Germanic dialects.

Germanic languages show common Celtic loanwords, some of those related to technological inventions related to ironworking. iron itself is a Celtic loan, which implies it was introduced to Germanics by Celts. Those loans can be identified because they didn't undergo the regular sound shifts from Proto-Indo-European to Proto-Germanic, but later underwent the same sound shifts as Germanic words when the language developed further, diverging on the way. This puts a constraint on when Germanic languages diverged, it should be around the time of Hallstatt culture, and certainly not before the time of Urnfield culture, because that's when iron was first sporadically used in northern Europe. This means a common Germanic language must have been spoken as late as 800BC and likely even later (most sources give around 500BC for time of such linguistic contact).

Slavic languages, meanwhile, had a common linguistic development with regular sound changes in pre-Slavic place names until around the time of Charlemagne. The time period of development of Slavic languages until present is therefore similar to the time period of development of Germanic languages by the point of migrations. Of course, languages don't all change equally fast, most notably the rapid development seen in English (along with hybridization of vocabulary with French). But when there's no big external factors involved, and when there's no geographical isolation, we can assume language evolution happens at a similar rate.


a94aad No.36218

They still are,just look at durch and german, and even languages from slightly digferent families sound really alike sometimes, im from frieslân and a friend of mine went to norway on a trip once and he could communicate in frisian with the norwegians




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