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History. Genetics. Archaeology. Anthropology. HBD.

File: 7c4fbf89b30d8ec⋯.jpg (93.72 KB, 800x382, 400:191, MacedonEmpire.jpg)

 No.43106

Ancient Macedonian, the language of the ancient Macedonians, either a dialect of Ancient Greek or a separate Hellenic language, was spoken in the kingdom of Macedonia during the 1st millennium BC and belongs to the Indo-European language family.

The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία[1] a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians, who were the descendants of a Bronze-age Greek tribe.

Their name, Μακεδόνες (Makedónes), is cognate to the Ancient Greek adjective μακεδνός (makednós), meaning "tall, slim".[1]

Alexander III of Macedon (Greek: Αλέξανδρος Γ΄ ὁ Μακεδών; 20/21 July 356 BC – 10/11 June 323 BC), commonly known as Alexander the Great (Ancient Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας, translit. Aléxandros ho Mégas), was a king (basileus) of the ancient Greek kingdom of Macedon[a] and a member of the Argead dynasty. He was born in Pella in 356 BC and succeeded his father Philip II to the throne at the age of 20.

Alexander's most immediate legacy was the introduction of Macedonian rule to huge new swathes of Asia. At the time of his death, Alexander's empire covered some 5,200,000 km2 (2,000,000 sq mi), and was the largest state of its time. Many of these areas remained in Macedonian hands or under Greek influence for the next 200–300 years. The successor states that emerged were, at least initially, dominant forces, and these 300 years are often referred to as the Hellenistic period.[2]

The name Ἀλέξανδρος derives from the Greek verb ἀλέξω (aléxō, lit. 'ward off, avert, defend')and ἀνδρ- (andr-), the stem of ἀνήρ (anḗr, lit. 'man'), and means "protector of men".[3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziJJBsZTt4Y

[1]. https://www.etymonline.com/word/Macedonia

[2]. Green, Peter (2007). Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic Age. London: Phoenix. ISBN 978-0-7538-2413-9.

[3]. https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=Alexander

 No.43107

File: 68f36df6341d820⋯.jpg (25.69 KB, 285x200, 57:40, aad79d5bdde34e832f815ac509….jpg)

Macedonians:

-spoke greek not bulgarian like the people of vardarska

-believed in the greek gods not in slavic paganism

-took part in Olympic games (only greeks were allowed to participate)

-they were a doric greek tribe (same tribe as the spartans)

-considered themselves as Heracledes (sons of Heracles exactly like the spartans did)

-Their leaders came from Greek Argos,thats the reason why they were called Argead Dynasty

-Slavs came 1000 years after alexander's death

-in the first balkan war (1912) the ottoman commander of the ottoman turkish army in thessaloniki was surrounder by the greek troops in the west and the bulgar troops in the east

both bulgaria and greece wanted the city

the commander knowing that it is impossible to defend anymore laid down the arms and the ottoman flag and said

i give this land to greece because we took it FROM YOU

then he said thessalonika is lost (from the ottoman empire) but thessalonika is saved (because if he didn't give the city to us and kept fighting the greek and bulgarian army would have destroyed the city

It is said that when he (Alexander) took his seat for the first time under the golden canopy on the royal throne, Demaratus the Corinthian, a well-meaning man and a friend of Alexander's, as he had been of Alexander's father, burst into tears, as old men will, and declared that those Hellenes (Greeks) were deprived of great pleasure who had died before seeing Alexander seated on the throne of Dareius.

{Plutarch, Alexander 37.6-7}


 No.43108

File: f7df46cdc86db0b⋯.jpg (2.92 MB, 3500x2333, 3500:2333, Yezidi girl.jpg)

File: f72d7a8bf20cdad⋯.jpg (104.82 KB, 736x880, 46:55, Tajik pamiri girl.jpg)

File: 62c2e84f291db54⋯.jpg (25.56 KB, 360x480, 3:4, afghanistankabulgirlen.jpg)

File: 0d175adf33e0f15⋯.jpg (100.08 KB, 500x374, 250:187, Pashtun boys.jpg)

File: 82909896f2c8de3⋯.jpg (155.02 KB, 800x1155, 160:231, Afghan girl.jpg)

>>43106

Yes, although Alexander himself recognized the Macedonians as being some away helenes and had admiration for the flagship helenic culture south of them.

This event also sparked a keen interest in Central Asia by Greeks and Macedonians, who, along with Scythians, would explore the potential of the region, like with the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom and the Indo-Greek Kingdom after.

At that time, Central Asia was still pretty much Aryan, populated with people like the Kalash, Burusho, Pamiri, Nuristani, and other reminiscent peoples of today in the region.

Alexander himself said that the Iranian women were highly beautiful.

It wasn't only before the two thronged attack on Central Asia by Islam and the Turks that the region gained this configuration it has today.


 No.43109

>>43107

About the Slav question, indeed, Eastern Europe and southern route to Greece wasn't populated by them until "recently".

Before, the region had Greeks, Illyrians (a lost Indo-European branch), Germanics (Goths, for instance), and even Iranians (the Avars, Scythians and Sarmatians), we had Huns there but they never really established settlements and just roamed pillaging, they were a multi-ethnic group with the bulk of them being European too and the leadership of unknown Asian origin, probably some Para-Turk or Xiongnu group who went rogue. The Mongols never populated the region either, they practised patronage only. In the end, the last ones to invade Europe from the east were some Uralics from the Volga-Ural region who settled in Hungary - they were like Udmurts.

It was only after the Goths migrated West and Byzantium expelled the Avars that the Slavs started getting a foothold in the region and did indeed have great impact in the south, albeit it being difficult due to constant invasions from Asia in the East, they finally thrived.

They have served as a shield for Europe and should be valued for that.

But yes, Macedonia wasn't Slav/Bulgarian.


 No.43110

File: b7ad505b092a616⋯.jpg (116.39 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, maxresdefault.jpg)

>>43108

The problem is that there is a state called FYROM that wants to steal the name Macedonia from the Greeks, which belongs to them rightly. The inhabitants of FYROM have nothing to do with the Macedonians. They call themselves Macedonians and descendants of the great Alexander.


 No.43112

File: e42217e352fdbb3⋯.png (2.17 MB, 10000x8000, 5:4, Pan-West-Eurasia PCA made ….png)

>>43110

Oh, that.

It's a 3-way problem:

1. The land is indeed Macedonia, no matter what.

2. The people living there aren't Macedonians anymore, but Bulgarians.

3. The culture of the country shifted from being Hellenic to being Slavic.

About 1:

That's the default name of the land, but now that there's a different people living there, they could have changed its name to fit their choice, but they simply decided to maintain its historical name. There's a habit of conquerors changing the name of places in accord to their language and culture (poor Anatolia, full of Turkic names), but sometimes that doesn't happen: The Romans named several stuff and people just accepted it and didn't change it.

I wouldn't be bothered by this aspect.

About 2:

I posted a genetic distance map here, showing that Greeks and current-day Macedonians aren't the same people anymore. Macedonians today are very Bulgarian and thus a different people from the Greek. This could have delegitimized their claim at the spot, but then arises the historicity of the name of the place, and the fact that Macedonians weren't always like the Greeks genetically either. We have samples from the region at about Mycenaean times, and they weren't very Greek, but close to the current Macedonians. So, if there was ever a link between the places, it was just cultural. And by the way, Greeks got heavily slavicized as well, having about 30% of this ancestry, but they retained their culture (partially, we can see there were influences) but specially the language.

About 3:

This here should be the only pertinent issue, as 1 is irrelevant and 2 is solved. Would be an insult to Greeks having some Slavs claimed the name of one of their heritage kingdoms? Considering the fact that the cultural link has weakened so much and that Macedonia has a severe problem with growing Islam? Well, I'm not Greek, I can't answer this.

What do you have to say?


 No.43113

File: 0780933cc32f7f9⋯.png (176.11 KB, 474x302, 237:151, dr56by6w.png)

File: e2d3bafe8462b9f⋯.png (124.79 KB, 800x575, 32:23, 9z98rdak.png)

File: 062bc4c9df03fa7⋯.png (366.8 KB, 474x378, 79:63, rg2n6ej4.png)

>>43112

Macedonians today are the Macedonians living in the Greek region of Macedonia. As for your fact that the ancient Macedonians did not have a biological relationship with Greeks, it's big mistake. The ancient Greek tribes were too many, and one of them was the Macedonians.

If FYROM people are Macedonians, why not call Indians as Macedonians as long as they were part of the Macedonian Empire?

The Slavs are Slavs, and the Macedonians are the people living in the region of Greek Macedonia.

If they want a name for their country, they will have to find one of their own.


 No.43114

File: d11afa30f6e7367⋯.jpg (31.81 KB, 480x360, 4:3, Pashtuns.jpg)

File: 7efd37a98d17502⋯.jpg (63.17 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, More Pashtuns.jpg)

File: 749f33d39f413b6⋯.jpg (2.89 MB, 3000x1167, 1000:389, Last Pashtun.jpg)

>>43108

>WE WUZ

Pashtuns and other Central Asians are far too genetically separate from all of Europe. Quit cherrypicking.


 No.43115

>>43114

Never said they aren't.

The thing is: they weren't.

This has already been proved.


 No.43116

>>43114

>>43115

Let me rephrase it:

They aren't like Europeans today, never said they are.

But they were in the past. Sintashta and Andronovo were genetically just like Europeans, and these cultures spread to these places. We know for instance, that Sintashta arrived in India unadmixed with any people who lived in the place before.

One article explaining this decay, once culturally and historically proved and now genetically.

https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2019/02/the-decline-and-fall-of-aryan.html


 No.43117

>>43115

>>43116

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep06055

We already have Kalash DNA they're not European. Quit trying to LARP.


 No.43118

>>43117

You fucking idiot, did you read what I said?

Kalash today aren't pure Europeans, but there was a time in the past when they were.

The Dravidian admixture into Aryans happened slowly over time.

We have samples from when they entered India and they were still pure. After millennia, they showed mixing.

Genetics corroborated history, and the Kalash aren't the only group in that region who still retains 1. A large portion of DNA still and 2. The phenotype.




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