Rising of civilizations

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Rising of civilizations Anonymous 05/20/15 (Wed) 22:14:10 No.74

Hello /histories/. I would like to share my thought with you why roman empire rised and had a huge civilization meanwhile others didn't make huge impact.

>the Mediterranean sea trade

before discover of New World, the Mediterranean trade was absolutely gave you prosperity. Notice B:C lots of nation who had a coast to the Mediterranean had rich cities and they had quite good civilizations.

Examples like Carhage, Spartha, Athens,Alexandria,Antioch.

>geography

If you look to Italian Peninsula, you'll see it it very similar to greek cities position

They have some mountain passes which makes hard to get invaded by barbarians

Unlike central or nothern europe this situation let them encounter different nations and civiliziations

>far away from powerful neighbours(talking about military here)

Before start, let me tell you I know once Rome sacked by Gauls, but in that time Romans were inexperiances about issues like this after that they have their lesson

>their military tactics

in that time barbarians military solely based on braveness and "fighting like true warrior"

I'm pretty sure every nation once had this attitude but romans didnt commit this mistake for long.

Their heavily relied discipline and battle formations

>inb4 all barbarians acted like retard in battles

nope, not true. Vercingetorix the leader of Arvernis was very smart compare to his feollow warriors even some Romans

Unlike attack without think, he had cut of supplies burnt enemy resources, he actually could defeat romans but his tribe accused him for being coward and they salied out in a fort attacked without think, which was a terrible mistake and ended up Vercingetorix prisoner

>inventors, smart people and their legacy

with their military power they provided them a safety and good reward which barbarians couldn't

think about it if you had a smart men who have not much warrior like power would barbarians respect him? of course not, you need to protect him which you need to be have military power and respect of your people

If you have thoughts about that topic feel free to discuss it

Anonymous 05/20/15 (Wed) 22:29:48 No.75

>>74

>Hello /histories/. I would like to share my thought with you why roman empire rised and had a huge civilization meanwhile others didn't make huge impact.

Are you talking about the entire world, or just the european region?

Anonymous 05/20/15 (Wed) 22:31:48 No.76

>>75

europe

Anonymous 05/20/15 (Wed) 22:41:41 No.77

>>76

Oh well of course. Before the romans, no other empire was interested in conquering Europe. It didn't have a lot of resource nor big civilizations to control/have important trade agreements. You're right with the Mediterranean area, for centuries it was one of the most important trade areas in the world and one of the reasons Islam became such a powerful culture.

Geography was also an important barrier for Rome, but it wasn't that protective, since Rome was attacked a couple of times, though maybe these were acts of brilliance.

The military tactics are also an important reason, since rome had an important tradition passed on from the greeks, who had some tactics passed from Iran (well, Persia.).

I'm going to disagree with the last one, simply because I believe the cultural and social tradition is much more important than the ideas of one man that, sure, he knew how to encapsulate that knowledge, but without this tradition, he would be nothing.

Anonymous 05/20/15 (Wed) 22:57:09 No.78

>>77

> I believe the cultural and social tradition is much more important than the ideas of one man that, sure, he knew how to encapsulate that knowledge, but without this tradition, he would be nothing

Of course, actually when I look this second time I realize I didn't explain enough.

As I said before you just can't provide "safe space" when your homeland get attacked constantly, without safeness it's very hard to have strong cultural and social traditions

Anonymous 05/20/15 (Wed) 23:02:34 No.79

>>77

Sorry for writing seperatelly

>Geography was also an important barrier for Rome, but it wasn't that protective, since Rome was attacked a couple of times, though maybe these were acts of brilliance

I was meant to neighbours again. You can constantly get attacked by northern neigbours which you can stop in mountainous areas and won't let them supply their armies.

And their other threat was carthage which you wage war in sicily. They can deal with them with naval power.

Hannibal's strong war elephants couldn't pass the Alps

Anonymous 05/21/15 (Thu) 12:59:07 No.81

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>>79

>Hannibal's strong war elephants couldn't pass the Alps

Hannibal was also a "genius" for crossing the Alps with the elephants in winter.

That said, Carthage controlled majority of Western Mediterranean region at the time Gauls sacked Rome in 390 BC. Carthage was in decline because of political instability (it was a republic, and the whole thing degenerated into a couple of families fighting for power and putting their family's interest before the state). Hannibal also had troubles keeping political support of his campaigning and eventually lost mostly because he lost the support back at home.

Anonymous 05/21/15 (Thu) 14:50:39 No.82

>>81

also true, but even in sumer or spring his army couldn't make it to rome, because tribes in alps constanly steal his armies supplies and elphants had very hard time to pass mountains.

should we discuss what we would do if we were hannibal? his stiuation seems very deppressing to me.

Anonymous 05/21/15 (Thu) 17:45:18 No.83

>>82

Yep he stayed stalemated in Italy for a couple of years… in large part because he didn't get the support he hoped for from Carthage.

>what we would do if we were hannibal?

Full coup d'état home first. Or, alternatively, build an empire in Spain and declare independence.

Carthaginian republic was rotten to its core, he had no way to really succeed, and even if he did, his success wouldn't mean shit if he wouldn't get things in Carthage under control.

Anonymous 05/21/15 (Thu) 20:54:23 No.84

>>83

oh but spain can't provide good source f money for a good army also lots of cultural difference, not to mention most of people wouldn't want to give up on carthage's richness

by the way I still don't have an idea what would I do if I were him, need to think more

Anonymous 05/22/15 (Fri) 10:23:32 No.89

>>84

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Médulas

>Las Médulas (As Médulas or As Meduas in Galician language) is a historical site near the town of Ponferrada in the region of El Bierzo (province of León, Castile and León, Spain), which used to be the most important gold mine in the Roman Empire.

http://www.jstor.org/stable/296070?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

>The mining region that contributed most to the imperial treasury was southern Spain

>The prophet Ezekiel refers to the 'silver, iron, tin and lead' that came to the Tyrian market from Tarshish

Anonymous 05/22/15 (Fri) 23:51:21 No.97

>>89

well, never heard that thanks anon